Big Brother 23 Finale Results

Xavier won the first part of the final head of household and Azah won the second part. BIGD was pretty much guaranteed a second-place but over the course of the last couple of days, he talked himself into a spot where he’ll could be third. Either way, the winner is probably going to be Xavier. In the final 2 with Xavier, Azah, I don’t really see the jury giving the win to Azah. In the final 2 with BIGD and Azah, she has a chance. If BIGD wins this season I’m calling Kraken.

This season while boring did have some great BB characters like Tiffany, DerekX, and Ky (as a villain calm down). All fun at times to watch. Other than BIGDelusional we didn’t hear the usually lusting over social media followers. It felt more like classic casting to me.

The only issue is we had to suffer through a season where one giant group steamrolled to the end but it was still light years better than Big Brother 22. The season was a return to consistent late nights which makes it one of the more difficult seasons to blog in recent memory. The Frenchie the clown HOH and some of those KY/SB HOH’s almost did me in.

Special thanks to all the commentors. There is a bunch of you with way more wit and smarts about this show than I ever could have. It’s a real treat to have you share your ideas on this site. Thanks!

To the donators thank you very much it keeps the wheels on this site.

Thanks to Ken at theKillshow.com for doing the Big Brother Breakdown it’s always a blast.


10:00 am Last shot of the feeds today before they went dark for good.

Results from the show


Jury meets.

The final Head of household winner is Xavier.

Xavier Evicts Azah (BOOO)


Jury votes

Pre-jury clowns


Xavier wins Big Brother 23 with all votes 9-0

America’s favorite player is Tiffany
Top two top vote-getters were DerekX and Tiffany


Final ranking for Big Brother 23

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Big Jim

Solid season 6.5/10

glene raffle

Better than that! 9/10. Bunch of nice people I will miss!

Chessie_K

Ragan: “Rachel, you’re about as classy as your nasty hair extensions “. Lololol

hate this season

Boring AF. I wont be watching again. Survivor either.

Aw Hush

Stop lying to yourself!

Big Brother 23 Fan

Big Delusional: “She owes me! I’ve carried that girl.” WTH She owes you nothing! Absolutely nothing!

Ciso

Big D makes my ass itch!

I watch BB every year

Said in the DR. I’m sure he was invited to be theatrical.

Nana1

If you watched the live feeds he also said it to the cameras for the last 2 weeks, as well as to her face which is why Azah was so hurt and would have taken X had she won. Big lazy bullied and tormented her all week.

another name

i’m betting antagonism.
He’ll chirp back about being too busy counting his cash as if it was deserved.

Sir Kirby Williams

He’ll probably have spent it on something stupid, then realize he still has to pay half to income tax and file for bankruptcy.

The Beef

It’s hilarious how he says he carried her, while he himself was carried throughout the season. They BOTH were carried by the Cookout to final 6, and then were lucky enough to have X and Ky want them to go to final 4 (again – carried – Azah’s win at F5 was given to her by X because he knew she was targeting Hannah, and he wanted to play for HOH at F4).

I loved how the jury laughed at the Couches arguments while he was speaking. It was the ultimate in disrespect for his game.

hernanday oleary

Big Delusional “She’s an emotional and mental burden”.

I almost died when he said this.

Robert

Thanks Simon & Dawg for everything. Hopefully the season of Celebrity Big Brother will be less nerve wracking (not that it hasn’t provided some entertainment, lol). I liked most of the houseguests this season while providing some SMH moments

Robert

Going old school. How about Danny Bonaduce as well, lol

Robert

I love the edit that they decided to show of the Azah/DF/X situation

BlueBee

Dare I say they showed it as if to say here’s the house tension but we all know who will win n couch is a bigger ass than we thought for being horrendous to her and he still got the seat. Most undeserving ass**** to ever sit in a chair.

Anna Hightower

Most boring season ever. Totally rigged from the beginning.

Brandi

Rigged? In what way?

Ms.Bubs4Fun

“Boring” is just code word for too many blacks. lol As a black person, I found this to be more interesting than seeing the non-black people bully and kick off the black folks every season.

Leanne

I enjoyed the cookout and their mission and getting to see the first black winner of BB. However, every season with a big alliance that steamrolls gets boring at the end. Every time. There is nothing more to that statement, I am sure.

Arly

So wrong. Can you not see that fans watch it for GAME, not for contestants color? I’m so sorry you feel that way about this show.

another name

I’m betting that round table actually went on for HOURS.
Shush.
You KNOW Ky wasn’t even through with his opening statement on why he should be the write in ballot winner by the time the rest of them wanted to go anywhere else.

San_Diego_Gal

DX – “The best thing I can say about Derek is we have the same name. I think he got carried.” Speaking truth!

I also like the jury taking Ky to task for claiming DF/Hannah were playing at the same level and that’s why he kept DF. Does he actually expect anyone to believe him? They were in the house. They saw DF’s “game.” It didn’t move anywhere all season. Literally.

Robert

The way Production did the Kyland question of the competition, it could have been an SNL sketch, lol

I watch BB every year

i actually think Kyland confirmed with that comment about Hannah (who isn’t as great as she thinks she is) that he has no respect for female gameplay. He is surely talking out of his arse.

RedAmber

I agree about Ky’s disregard for female gameplay but DAMMIT, Hannah’s game was better comp wise and put in misting work for the Cookout. A gnat had a better game and was less annoying.

The Beef

Maybe she’s a little to big for her britches, but she’s a LOT better player than the Couch was on his best day, and for Ky to insinuate differently, either shows he didn’t know what was going on in the house, or he is a complete and total misogynist.

The more Ky talks, the smaller his brain seems to get.

I watch BB every year

I wasn’t intending to insinuate that Hannah’s gameplay was in any way equivalent to the ‘gameplay’ (what now?) of BigD, precisely the opposite.

However, she did have a habit of presenting herself like she was playing 3 dimensional chess, when really it was not.

The Beef

I agree with your assessment of her own abilities AND of her own contributions to the Cookout, but I maintain she still did a lot more than the Couch, and I think you and I are in agreement on that. Chaddah is a very smart little girl, but the problem is the “little girl” part, and the others (other than Tiffany) seemed to see her more as that, than as a full fledged alliance participant, because of her age. Now that really doesn’t matter when your own participation is nothing more than sleeping and lying around on the big blue couch (I’m talking to YOU Big D and Azah), despite what you may lie and “claim” when trying to “steal” the money at the end of the game. lol

I’m just glad we finally have our “first” black winner of Big Brother, so that can’t be used as a weapon anymore. Maybe people will stop lying about black players “always” being the first players evicted too – yes it’s happened, but it’s far from every season as the word “always” implies.

Arly

And I’d bet he was the person who actually won AFP, but got Grodded.

Ms.Bubs4Fun

No, I actually don’t think it was rigged this time. Even the haters admitted that Tiffany had better strategy and game play than Derek X. DX is a lovable player but I think Tiff won fair and square.

Yolanda

Agreed! I voted for Derek X for AFP, but not mad at all that Tiffany won. Was hoping it’d be one of those two.

TTOTambz

I’m not so sure – in checking around social media the past few days pretty much ALL the prior big name BB winners/players all called out to their fan bases to vote for her. Last Saturday she was only 8% back so a week of the BB fraternity asking their followers to vote for her makes it highly feasible.

The Beef

I love the kid, but hate that he only “watched” two seasons before entering the house, which I think severely impacted his ability to compete in the game. I just don’t think he knew what he was getting into, but if he did, he would possibly have done much better.

hernanday oleary

Is it possible Df played a good game, we didn’t recognize, even though he won nothing, what about social? To talk that much dog doo and not be voted out is impressive in my opinion, why he was not voted out earlier is beyond me.

Sir Kirby Williams

How was he going to be voted out? He had 5 votes guaranteed to keep him and 4 of those votes came with a plus 1.

The Beef

Actually all 5 of those votes had a pawn attached to them, as Big D was the only person who didn’t have a “plus 1” of the 6 Cookout members. I’m sure it was just too much work for him to have to keep up with and “manage” another person, what with all of that “work” he had to put in manipulating each and every HOH to ensure that not only no CO people went OTB, but also the person HE wanted e-voted out went up and went home!

Big D was so good at what he did, NOBODY saw it – not even HIM! That’s why there was so much laughter when he was making his “righteous” claims of manipulation and behind the scenes management control (I’m giggling right NOW, just thinking about them)!

CujoWasHere

Truth!

I watch BB every year

For some reason, in the finale end game discussions, no-one pointedly expressed the obvious truths that he was kept in the house initially because of his alliance and then purely because he was such a shit BB player, everyone really knew that they wanted to sit next to him at F2. They couldn’t possibly lose.

John B

Worst season ever.

JarryTristen

By far the worst season ever.

Turbo

Sorry, any season with Paul in it was 100x worse.

another name

Is this the third or the fourth bb season in a row where the final hoh winner won because the other finalist got the first question incorrect?
Just asking in case it’s a future pattern to consider.

The Beef

What are the odds of them getting 8/8 and 7/8 of the answers correct on those types of questions? I realize these are not the same “crap shoot” type questions they used to ask, and are actually based in facts of the game, but they are still pretty deep data type facts. I gotta wonder if they were “fed” some kind of cheat sheet to study from, in order to know all of those answers so exactly. I mean, I could see getting maybe 5 or 6 or them right, but all 8? That’s a lot of details to get exactly right!

TTOTambz

I can see your point but I don’t study these things however b/c I analyze the show the votes, comps etc are sort of ingrained in my head & I knew 6 of the 8 answers off the top of my head so I can see it being possible they knew the answers b/c all they do is study that stuff.

What I found weird was X was grabbing answers before all three questions were read & the ONE question Azah got wrong was about her girl Britini — like how does she get that wrong? Brit told her “I’ve been on the block 3 weeks in a row” (W2-Ky/W3-X/W4-DX) & it was her fourth time OTB when she was evicted.

I watch BB every year

BigD still thinks he got himself to Final 2.

Jean Bennett

Big D is a ,BIG A**JOKE,you never carried anyone hell you barely carried yourself.Talking you carried Azah,please bro,most disrespectful brother I’ve ever seen,your true side really showed these last couple days,BIGA**JOKE BIG Dyou should be ashamed of yourself.

No fave yet

At least the vote X 9, Big Douche 0.

mooning

That Big D & Azah were part of final 3 is a joke. The entire season was a big joke on the people watching IMO. .

TTOTambz

On finale night it’s clear X is going to win this game. What we don’t know is whether it will be a unanimous win or if Big D pulls any votes (Britini? Kyland? or Azah? as the ONLY possible votes).

I meant to get this up earlier but figured I’d still post it since I took the time to write it. At this point we know X won the final HOH & evicted Azah who confirmed she was going to take Xavier — A little bit of production shade — Azah’s shift to take X to F2 came IMMEDIATELY AFTER A DR visit.

As for their individual games — a few final thoughts:

Derek Frazier (Big D):
Strengths: aligning with alphas for protection, being part of the Cookout, viewed by “some” in the house as entertaining (*see below), knowing people in production (edits/BB Bucks)
Weaknesses: *others viewed him as misogynistic, cruel and an opportunist, couldn’t win a comp despite his request for eating & strength comps, as this week showcased was his OWN worst enemy.
Best Ally(ies): Xavier, Kyland, Azah, Ally (later in game/after Christian eviction)
Main Enemy: All women except Azah (until late in the game) but in reality we know it was Tiffany who took up residence in his head so much so that he spoke of dreaming about her twice recently.
Biggest Mistake: Attacking his BFF Azah as the game closed out. He told her PRIOR to F5 HOH he would need to put her up, repeated that PRIOR to F4 HOH & told her he’d dragged her through the game stating she spent the season staring at the wall. It was cruel and unnecessary. All he had to do was STFU and he would’ve been guaranteed a F2 chair (although it’s moot now that X won). It pointed to how poorly he’s played the game. While he spouts about how he ran the game & was the mastermind once Tiff left the game & those remaining had to PLAY the game we witnessed how terrible they actually were at it.
Biggest Move: Having friends in production & the same name as the most popular hamster (hence $100 BB Bucks) & COMPLETE GAS LIGHTING EDITS. But his very best move involved wrapping a chain around his couch leg and attaching it to Xavier.
Game Grade: F (and that’s GENEROUS!)

Azah:
Strengths: Although she spent almost as much time as Big D in bed, she was well liked in the house and hardly ever on anyone’s radar. She had solid relationships with Claire, SB, Tiff, DX, Big D & Xavier. Honesty – if she told you something it was set in stone. Cooked daily (don’t discount how valued a good meal is especially when not everyone in the house cooked or wanted to). Was entertaining during social time – dancing & singing. Of the trio remaining has the best take on what actually happened in the house (who did what) & has best self assessment. Side note: she was the best dressed hamster of the season (I know that doesn’t matter but I enjoyed her stylish, colorful wardrobe).
Weaknesses: Of note – there are hardly any “game related” actions noted above and that’s b/c she checked out of actively playing somewhere between week two & week three. That was based almost entirely on her emotions. Targets were often females who showed interest in X (not trying to be shady – it’s true). Would give up mid way through comps (happened at least four times I remember).
Best Ally(ies): Big D, Xavier, Tiffany, DX
Main Enemy: Kyland, Hannah & most of the females
Biggest Mistake: Was going to take X if she won Part 3 and that would’ve trumped her not putting X/Ky up at F5 double eviction b/c she could’ve got Ky out in that round.
Biggest Move: Winning F5 HOH & Part 2 of HOH. The other options include talking Kyland out of staying on the block in week 1 & giving Tiff/Claire enough intel about the first version of Slaughterhouse alliance for them to figure it out which led to the creation of the Royal Flush. And she was the last person to hit the block in F4 (the only time she was OTB).
Game Grade: D

Xavier:
Strengths: Avoiding conflict, charm (especially early in the game & particularly with the opposite sex), aligning with weak players (Big D, Azah) to manipulate, using insecurities to paint target on others (Ky/Big D vs. Tiff), winning comps when most necessary.
Weaknesses: Inability to formulate strategic thoughts – his influence & manipulation were always based on bad mouthing others (disloyal, dishonest, arrogant, etc), misogynist, complete and total lack of game awareness (*see below).
Best Ally(ies): Alyssa, Hannah (shockingly given how he ousted her), Christian, Big D,
Main Enemy: Anyone who was emotional – but Tiff/Ky annoyed him the most as they represented his biggest threats.
Biggest Mistake: Although it won’t matter his jury management was TERRIBLE. He didn’t tell people they were leaving even seconds prior (Hannah, Kyland). B/c he was Grod’s chosen pre-game winner he avoided much of the typical struggles a player like Tiff had to address. If not for being Grod’s preseason pet & without the protection of Tiff, Hannah, Ky (*see below) he would’ve struggled to make jury.
Biggest Move: Impressing Grodner enough to be the hand picked preseason winner. In game – winning F4 HOH/POV & being insulated by copious alliances featuring people who would’ve targeted him otherwise.
Game Grade: B+ (that’s generous IMO b/c I’m more inclined to give him a B- but he’ll win so it’s hard not to give at least one of the F3 at least a B or higher.

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The revisionist history of the trio particularly Big D & Xavier were head-scratching. Neither has OWNED their game & part of that rests in the fact they CAN’T b/c they honestly don’t know how they got to F3 (aside from the moves made from F8 forward). Case in point…

Week One: Christian won WCC and picked X to keep him safe.

Week Two: Ky won HOH easy week for everyone – Frenchie goes. But much of what occurs during this week sets the standard for the season & X is the person who benefits most in the CO from these actions:

  • Tiff/Claire/DX figure out the slaughterhouse alliance
  • Tiff goes to Ky suggesting they create a competing version and suggest the Kings/Queens/DX (Royal Flush) to have something in place that will protect the CO & wipe out the slaughterhouse
  • Also during this week Christian & Ally meet with Tiff/Claire to form a F4
  • Notably – the reason the above occurs is b/c Chris/Ally DO NOT trust X – they keep talking about how he won’t share game intel with them & b/c Big D keeps spouting off about them being in a showmance they determine he needs to go sooner than later.

Week Three: Xavier wins HOH (Add Britini to the list of people who want X out next)

Week Four: Christian HOH – this week speaks volumes about X’s inability to manipulate or use strategy. Hannah ended up OTB and initially WAS the target – it took Hannah’s own efforts & suggestions from Tiff to her/DX to create an alliance with Ally/Chris to shift the target off her back. Claire/DX became LASER FOCUSED on wanting X out.

Week Five: Derek X HOH – if not for the Royal Flush and the ongoing constant efforts of Tiffany then X would’ve been back doored this week. Despite his protestations of KNOWING EVERYTHING – he had no idea Chris was going up – he thought it was going to be Big D replacing Brit OTB. More importantly if X had got off his butt to do some actual work by grabbing Brit instead of sending Chris in to do the work they could’ve evicted SB this week.

Week 6: Ky HOH – X wasn’t happy with how this week went down as Ky went control crazy holding copious unnecessary meetings as he tried to outdo what DX did the week prior & to pull everyone’s game intel from them it showcased how volatile X could be as he wanted Claire OTB but Ky wanted to put up Ally. Ky finally caved but not before X marked him as untrustworthy & selfish. If not for week 9 things might’ve gone very different from week 9 forward! Cue Tiff winning her second HOH & X throwing a 10-day Tiff-bashing tantrum. Again during this week DX & Claire became extremely suspicious of Xavier & why Tiffany kept protecting him & shifting the target elsewhere.

Week 7: SB HOH – oh but for that 0.1 second! Had DX elected to not take the skinny bar across initially – he would’ve easily won HOH. THIS WEEK was arguably the turning point of the season & Xavier got the advantage I always point to every winner needing LUCK. First DX loses HOH (if he’d won he’d still be safe & in the house for week 8 — WOULD Tiff have elected to change things up in Week 8 if that happened? We’ll never know but GUARANTEED Claire doesn’t nominate him! Also it took Ky spending five hours with SB to shift her original noms (Ally/Big D with X as backdoor target) to Big D/Claire. If that doesn’t happen then Ally removes herself from the block & X is sitting beside Big D. Moreover, Hannah talking DX out of playing Roulette is another benefit b/c if she doesn’t then DX easily beats Ally in that comp.

Week 8: Tiffany HOH – overtaken by Claire secret HOH: Once again X lucked out by being insulated by the Cookout. Tiffany’s relationship with Claire kept Big D off the block otherwise she puts up Ky & Big D with one of the three men leaving.

Factor in X believes the Kings had his back throughout the entire game & if not for the Cookout intended to go to F4 with him (notably X cried twice this year over evictions— Christian & Alyssa – NOT for any member of the Cookout!). The reality was every single member of his team would’ve taken him out sooner. Even with the Cookout SB wanted to target him on her week & Ally had a F2 with Hannah NOT with X.

Look X will win as he should but let’s be clear he was NOT the main strategist of the season nor does he recognize or appreciate just how much Tiffany, Hannah & Kyland did to get him to F6 and how easy his path was because of them.

One note on this evening – THREE separate times X picked up the answer to the question before Julie read all three possible answers — and each time it was the right answer – so was that b/c he knew immediately it was the right answer OR was it because production GAVE him the answers prior? — Just saying.

And now we await final speeches & Q & A.

another name

No questions from Tiff or Claire. Hmm. That’s… a production choice…. mmhmm.
Hannah trying not to laugh at answers. look at her. She’s trying not to laugh to every Couch answer.

TTOTambz

Yeah that was total bullshit (not even going to * that!). Hannah was dying at every answer.

SHOCKER – Brent is the one who finally puts the respect on Tiffany’s name.

another name

Well, for the first time, the third to enter the house in usbb won.
That’s the redheaded stepbrother of the first to enter curse.
If they were going to reveal secrets… would the houseguests have been surprised by Kycomplains? I mean, would it shock them that Kyren is offended on social media a lot?

San_Diego_Gal

IKR? Brent finally had something worthwhile to say! And Hannah doubling-over in laughter was the best part of Couch’s Q/A.

The Beef

Was she the only one? I thought I heard several of them LOL? And why the Hell not?

Nana1

I told my husband he picked up the answer before the questions were finished, even when the answer was C. How would he have known that? All BS

Megan

Because he knew the other two were true. They were looking for the one false answer. And if he was certain the other two answers were true then it would be easy to find the last one false.

Nana1

Not buying it, he went for the cards before she even got to some of the answers. Not the first time with him either!

Naynay

If he knew A and B were true as they were revealed, he could pick up C before it was asked because it would have to be false.

Arly

I saw that, too. I imagine everyone else watching also saw it.

The Beef

A very good synopsis of the first 8 weeks of the season! Maybe slightly biased against X, but that’s okay because I AGREE with your bias against that rat bastard! LOL

In a fair world, I think Tiffany and X would have battled it out to the end, or maybe Tiff and DX, although as you and I have both recognized, DX’s naivety and raw meat rookery may have gotten in the way of him ever going that far. I guess we just have our favorites, and while Tiffany was your’s, DX was mine, so I would have liked to have seen him go further, if he could have gotten his head out of his arse. He just didn’t know enough about the game, so he got gotten a lot sooner than he would have if he knew more about it, IMHO.

Big Brother 23 Fan

I wouldn’t be surprised to see Derek X invited back. He was popular with the fans, and he’s young enough to do it again and wiser to the game now.

TTOTambz

Totally fair – Tiff was my day one/week one choice ;-) but DX was a very close second. I really like that quartet (Tiff/DX/Hannah/Claire). Initially I liked Ky (that shifted quick) & thought Big D would be fun but that opinion shifted before week one was over.

In week one X was ready to cut Ky so I never bought into his Cookout mantra – I could see he was going to play the under the radar game at least until jury. Sometimes I can take to those type of players if they show something more but I never fully warmed to his game play (or lack thereof).

Robert

At least it is confirmed that Azah would have taken X if she had won the last comp

No fave yet

I wish I could “share” this. :)

another name

Thanks, and thank you and Dawg for once again putting up with my shit for another season….
You guys are great!

another name

btw… if anyone remembers the canadian children’s television show the big blue couch… That is the ACTUAL big blue couch from the series.

Dx_fan

Big comfy couch??

another name

you’re right. my god daughter called it big blue couch when she wanted to watch it… oops.

Dx_fan

I still have the theme song imprinted in my brain! My little brother was obsessed with that show lol

Chessie_K

I Luv This!

Big Brother 23 Fan

Derek the Jerk still claims he started the Cookout. The look on Tiffany’s face was priceless — but not one of the jury laughed. Fixed much?!?!?!

Robert

There was plenty of laughter at his answers

San_Diego_Gal

When DF told the jury that he sent them home, one by one, they literally burst out laughing. Step over, Frenchie. DF is the true clown of the season.

The Beef

I kept expecting the Enzo response…”Bro, they’re laughing at me!”, but that idiot is so delusional, I firmly believe he actually believes all of that sh!t he was spouting then, and all season long!

When he gets home and sees what people are actually saying about him…..I don’t know what he’s going to think. He can’t possibly think all of those people are wrong, after watching all the live feeds all season long and seeing him do NOTHING, yet claim to do everything. So maybe he just disappears into the mist….just like he suddenly appeared 3 months ago.

San_Diego_Gal

OMG the jury laughter when DX turned his key and said, “If you’re not gonna play the game, why are you here?” Some of the jurors actually doubled over. LMAO.

TTOTambz

Hannah almost fell off her chair ;-)

The Beef

LOVED it!

Hopeful for a Good Season

Julie did acknowledge to Tiffany that she started the alliance

Latetotheparty

Think Azah is having a small wardrobe malfunction.

Kailei

Ikr?!

Outside Looking In

That is the only kind she can have!

TTOTambz

What the ACTUAL F? Tiffany doesn’t get to ask a question? Are you kidding me?

Robert

I am actually not surprised. The ones who asked questions only asked different variations of the same question

San_Diego_Gal

Yeah, all questions to DF were basically some variation of… “What did you actually do that was worthwhile this season?” LOL.

The Beef

Duh, I started the Cookout and on every HOH I went to the HOH and made sure, with FACTS, that they targeted the person, with FACTS, that wasn’t in the Cookout, with FACTS, that I wanted, with FACTS, to go home, even though I didn’t do anything else, I brought the FACTS, to those HOH’s!

Big Brother 23 Fan

But they let Azah make up a question and ask it?!?!?!?!

another name

Let her make it up? Lol, I’m thinking they gave it to her in d/r.
After they called X in and told him to remember bbccbaac.
I mean…
yah.

TTOTambz

They always let the person evicted at F3 to ask a question (that’s been done pretty much every season).

I watch BB every year

I think they were protecting the 2 poor boys from having to deal with an assertive woman, in case it made them cry. The omission of a question from her was glaring and fishy even if there’s no interference from Production.

The fact that the questioners were clearly reading a question ‘prepared’ for them was also too obvious to be kosher.

TTOTambz

Yeah – apparently Whitney had planned on calling out the misogyny in the house – specifically Big D & how he would shade her for what she wore & then praise Ally (her bikini comic & clothes). It was odd they didn’t go to her & Christian as the last two jury members but it was implied on Derrick/Cody podcast that was probably why they didn’t talk to her.

baddogchalet

Did I miss Claire and Tiff’s questions somehow? I was waiting for Tiff’s question in particular and didn’t see it.

Robert

Ok….so do I assume that there was one bitter vote that was cast?

Big Brother 23 Fan

It was unanimous for X.

San_Diego_Gal

DF’s speech: “I put in the work”… “I created the Cookout” … “I masterminded the evictions.”

DF’s actual resume:

hernanday oleary

The jury response said it all, bending over, on the floor in unanimous laughter, they thought DF replaced Zingbot and made it to the final, giving X a unanimous win.

The Beef

That’s the easiest $75,000 he will ever earn in his lifetime, and with the other money thrown in on top that he “stole”, it’s probably over $100k isn’t it? And all he had to do was lay on a couch all summer, lay by the pool for a while, and call a bunch of women some “bitches” a few times to get it done.

TTOTambz

The top two don’t get a stipend but he’ll get to keep the $7500 from Domino Effect — still that’s an easy $82.5k for being horizontal 95% of the past 12 weeks. Where can I get a job like that?

Casual

Thank GAWD this farce of a season is over. Label me racist, but The Cookout totally ruined this year’s game.

We finally get a cast of all newbies who came to PLAY, and their games were sacrificed or sabotaged so CBS can “whitewash” their image by showing how moral they are (Julie and her inspirational not-quite-Bible quotes) and diverse they are.

And they had to play dumb about it (seriously NO ONE noticed or knew??) before being so enthusiastic that an all-black alliance evicted them based on their skin color.

Everyone had to sacrifice their personal game so DEREK F could sit in Final 2 ….

I can’t.

The man is sloppy, lazy, disrespectful, and actually thinks he contributed ANYTHING to propel himself to this point in time.

Call me racist, call me butt hurt, call me a hater but this season has made a mockery of the game and diminished the plight of ALL POCs to a fucking reality show. 

Karmiii

Sure Jan

Sir Kirby Williams

Will this season lead future seasons to more inclusion amongst players in an alliance, or will it lead to further segregation?
The next first night in the house will players band together based on appearances and afraid of who doesn’t look like them, or will they look for players who they think will be players?

I hope they bring back them early teams, only each comp will be different teams with comp teams continually changing. (I know it won’t happen or TPTB will find ways to rig who is on which team and safe for the week). A major focus should be make it near impossible for another large alliance to steamroll.

I also liked how MTV Challenge brought in the Skull system to earn a way to the final. BB needs to find something similar, so that anyone in the final chair will have a few points to consider voting them to win.

The Beef

The whole “team” concept was to protect the POC in the beginning of the game, if you haven’t figured that out yet. That’s why the players weren’t “picked” but were carefully “allocated” based on gender and race so that two POC were placed on each of the four teams along with two men and two women. None of that was random and that and the Cookout really worked together to protect “the six” in their effort to get to the final 6, and ultimately our first black winner of BBUSA.

It was all part of productions plan, just like in prior seasons when a winner was picked prior to the season beginning. It happened last year when Cody was picked, and production assisted with pre-season alliances, and it’s happened in previous seasons before. It should be no surprise that it happened this season as well.

Sir Kirby Williams

I know that.
My foolishness lies in hoping that we will one day get a true season where we can avoid any of the past and see a house where all have to be on point every week. No sucking, no hiding, put in positions where they may/will nom or vote a possible alliance member.

Megan

It’s literally a television show. Put your confederate flag to rest.

Big Sister

So many could not take it when the shoe was on the other foot…

The Beef

But you know he’s right. Confederate flag or not, he’s right.

JustMe

Ditto.
Ditto.
Ditto.
…. etc.

Boy am I glad this season is over.

JarryTristen

This season was a complete joke and I’m also glad it’s over.

I watch BB every year

I actually think that the first and last lines of your post are the only parts upon which a reasonable BB viewer might dissent, because they are clearly subjective judgments.

The CO did not ruin the game more than any other disciplined, large alliance does. Peeps have just got to get over that.

Now, whether the COs creation story was pre-determined by Production or simply down to Tiffany’s smart game brain is an interesting point, but moot in reality. It happened, and they controlled the game superbly. It is interesting to see how Production immediately jumped on board to use the CO’s success to shine their corporate image, but this is a tv prog and CBS is a corporation and therefore has no soul.

I am personally surprised some of the players really didn’t see the possibility of a successful African American alliance in their ranks. This might reflect two things – that even in this small and rarefied ‘society’ the others underestimated the ability of African Americans to work successfully together or a number of the non-CO players saw themselves as ‘POC’ and therefore didn’t see the alliance?

The post-eviction lauding of the CO did smack a little of media-training for the players – but by then they were in the clutches of Production’s spinmeisters.

Outside Looking In

Nope, you are correct on all points. And no, pointing out the truth does not make you a racist, or butthurt.

mooning

Haven’t been watching. .. Decided to peek at bits and pieces of the finale, while watching the news. As much as I can stomach. …Ugh…… No doubt X wins. Interested in who will be fan favorite. Most of the HQ go home empty handed thanks to “unity” and playing for a greater cause, lol. .. All I can say is what a load of hogwash….. I think my watching BB days may be over….. Thanks for the opportunity to comment. Your part of the show is the best of the best.

Robert

So what is the over/under of Kyland, DF, & X not hanging out with each other like they originally said that they would do once Big Brother was over

TTOTambz

I’d place 5-2 odds they DO NOT – X isn’t the type to change his mind once made & Ky overstepped the boundaries with mentioning Xavier’s family. Despite being given ample opportunity to walk it back in various interviews Ky stuck to his original version in every instance. For such an intelligent guy you’d think he’d understand they were giving him an opportunity to clean it up – & even AGAIN tonight didn’t catch on the fact they’re asking is b/c it WAS inappropriate.

So yeah – X will see those exit interviews with Ky doubling down on what he said & won’t want anything to do with him IMHO.

As for X/DF — Xavier is a smart guy so all the social media hits about his/Big D misogyny could be a factor but since he seems to enjoy celebrity I doubt it will impact him being friends with Big D (Joe Frazier’s son) post show. Did you see how excited X got learning that fact? They had planned on starting a podcast post show – we’ll have to wait & see if that still happens or if it will be marketed just to male fans (shade).

The Beef

You can bet on an X Big D podcast. X because he likes the celebrity and Big D because he’s Smoking Joe’s son, and because they finished 1 and 2 (barf) in BB 23.

I agree with you about X and Ky, although I thought I did catch them hugging at the end of the show. Maybe Ky caught him at a vulnerable moment, but I doubt X will forget what Ky said about HIM, and not so much about his nephew. Ky keeps saying I wasn’t saying anything bad about his nephew, and he’s right. He wasn’t! He was saying bad things about X! Questioning his manhood, and saying his nephew didn’t have a man to look up to are NOT good things to say about a man, and that’s what Ky said about X, so I still think Ky owes X at the very least a sincere apology, and if that’s not forthcoming, I’d tell him to kiss my ass from now on, and let him go.

TTOTambz

X went on Cody/Derrick’s pod last night as well as Rob Has a Podcast. It was confirmed X hadn’t misinterpreted what Ky intended. Tiff also confirmed the jury DID NOT see the video (remember Ky said they watched it – on line at a time?) so Ky was either lying about that or maybe production/an interviewer showed him separately. Tiff also said NO ONE thought what Ky did was okay (wait until she learns he was talking to her son on live feeds telling him his mother is a liar) but they all know Ky can never take responsibility when he’s wrong.

X said on the interviews he’d talk to him but it came across more as the polite thing to say rather than something he was just going to let slide with an apology. So I think our initial instincts will be proven accurate – he’ll distance himself as far as possible from Ky.

You might be right about X/Big D — the reason I’m not sure is DF doesn’t strike me as someone who’ll own his behavior & I just can’t see X wanting to be attached to him if they are always going to be viewed as those two misogynysts.e

It makes more sense to me for X to try to do something with his Kings teammate Christian. Last night the hamsters all congregated (sans the top 3) & Chris was there having flown to LA to be with Ally. So we’ll see – I wonder if Tiff will tell them about what X said (Ally was willing to give X “favors” to stay). If she shares that intel they won’t be as keen to be besties lol.

another name

Oh, Couch is still going to want to get under Ky.
He’s just going to have to do it on the sly so that X doesn’t hear about it.

LARRY G DIAZ

If I were Kyland I would definitely be telling Big D to go fuck himself and to quit dreaming about some “showmance” that did not happen or talking about seeing Kyland after the show. For one the man is not gay for two even if he was I do not think Big D would be a choice on his list. X is just who is he and do not expect Kyland or X to become pen pals. After this eve…its get lost to both X and Big D if I were Kyland.

another name

Ky was big time trying to encourage the crush for weeks.
Ky identifies as pansexual according to his bio.

TTOTambz

Closing thoughts:

I’m THRILLED Tiffany won AFP — did TPTB have a hand in it? Don’t know & don’t f*cking care b/c it’s the one & only time I’ll be okay if they did interfere!

I seldom get my preferred winner but her getting $62k (with her stipend) may not be $750k but she was my pick for best player this season so I’m glad she came close to matching what Derrick F will take home & IMO was the least deserving of ALL the cast member this season to earn as much as he did. I’m not sure if he also gets his stipend or just the $75k (plus $7.5k for domino effect winnings). Either way he walks away with at least $82.5k.

Other quick notes:

Looking forward to the exit interviews & whether X/Big D start to back off their revisionist history as they learn just how much Tiff/Han/Ky did to protect them specifically or if they stick with the same rhetoric.

In that vein — I wonder how Tiff will feel once she learns Ky was talking to her son on live feeds calling his mother a liar or about how X bad mouthed her for weeks & how Big D/X continued to state she was selfish & UNWORTHY of representing the season.

Will Ky – back track once he learns the analysts/former players view this season’s “best player” as Tiffany as he cut her believing X was.

I actually got teary during Britini telling her housemates about having autism (it was a very touching moment).

Azah looked PISSED at Big D (I don’t think she ever got over how he treated her these past few weeks).

Kyland STILL couldn’t just straight up say “I was wrong” and apologize for his exit (he did say sorry but it was disingenuous)!

I need to go back to see if I can see Big D’s/X’s faces when they stated DX/Tiff were the top two vote getters (did anyone else catch them?).

Kudos to Simon and Dawg for keeping us up to date on the house happenings & providing a forum where we can all post our thoughts & OBB contributors can dive deeper into the game. Shout out to Another Name, San_Diego_Gal, The Beef, Cujo, BB Fan, Nana1 et el. We may not always agree but I look forward to reading your comments and insights.

If you want to keep in touch with me during the offseason you can catch me on Twitter (same name) or if you’re a basketball fan I’ll be very busy this season continuing to write features about the Toronto Raptors, OKC Thunder as well as betting odds previews on all NBA teams.

Cheers! xoxo

another name

Just look up frankie’s face for the 16 afp vote. I’m sure one of the three reaction shots readily available will match each of their faces.

TTOTambz

LOL – ahhhhhhhh you had to give me one more coffee spewing laugh out loud moment didn’t you. xo

P.S. I meant to ask you did you see the tweet of Kyland on The Price Is Right? (it’s hella funny)

another name

i think i did. lol.
trip to greece? got it wrong?
surprised he didn’t argue that he was right?
not surprised he was trying to get something for nothing.

TTOTambz

Always my pleasure & thank you Simon :-)

Nana1

To you as well, I looked forward reading your comments! Till next season! Take care!

CujoWasHere

Totally agree. I’ll have to go back and check to see if they showed X and DF reactions to Tiff winning AFP. I don’t think they did. I’m glad BB doubled the amount, Tiff certainly earned it!

I’ve enjoyed reading your posts and look forward to next year. Thanks!

The Beef

You know I love your posts, and I always find it “funny” that you write for the NBA given I was an NCAA Division 1 basketball official for 17 years before my back gave out, and I have several buddies that had long careers as NBA officials (Joe Derosa, Scott Wall, Sean Corbin, Scott Foster, Joe Forte, and more, almost all of them that had contact with the SEC). I look forward to hearing from you next season and getting your insight on the next group of “hamsters”!

another name

found this screen shot of the moment Julie was about to announce AFP, this was X’s face
It’s the lawyer face of oh shit i shouldn’t have said that (after 3 weeks of putdowns).

bb23 x react.jpeg
Big Brother 23 Fan

I’m so glad Tiffany won AFP!

Robert

I am glad Tiffany won AFP. I would have been happy as well if DX had won it

Dx_fan

Yes! He was robbed :(

TTOTambz

Travis was on Derrick L/Cody podcast last night & told them as soon as DX got his phone he contacted him saying “so what are we doing next?”. Wouldn’t surprise me if the pair go on TAR or maybe The Challenge. Either way, I suspect we’ll see them again b/c CBS will want to showcase DX & he’ll want to do it with Travis which is why TAR makes sense.

Robin

Well, this finale has been a clown car all the way around. And now, Derek X lost AFH ..

I AM NOT OKAY

Hopeful for a Good Season

Happy with 1st place winner and AFP. Disappointed with 2nd place winner, should have been Azah

Tanya

X definitely played the best game! Julie’s last comment to Tiffany after being crowned “fan favorite” “air hug” while she stands shoulder to shoulder with her was absolutely ridiculous!

Susan Sholly

Are we supposed to actually believe Tiffani actually beat Derek X for America’s favorite? I am so over this show….

Karmiii

Your privilege is showing Karen.

Susan Sholly

Nope. I actually really like Tiffani and Derek X. I am basing that statement off of the polls. Thank you though for making an assumption about me.

Megan

Absolutely! I would’ve voted for him but Tiffany outplayed everyone including final two and she deserved to win the game! So she got AFH in consolation.

JarryTristen

Tiffany is a deserving winner of AFP, but if you look at numbers alone there is no way she beat out Derek X. But it is what it is and I’m happy for her.

Susan Sholly

That was my point, the numbers. It just doesn’t make sense. I don’t mind that Tiffani won. I mind that it seems as if even that is rigged.

TTOTambz

I know I’m biased (Tiff was my #1 & DX/Hannah my #2’s) but I do know the BB Fraternity came out in droves to push Tiff as AFP (people with big followings like Janelle, Da’Vonne etc). There was an article I think in EW where they spoke to 22 or so prior winners/players who predominantly picked Tiff as best of season.

To be fair, it wouldn’t be surprising if TPTB did give it to her especially if it was close — but then again they also pulled her into the DR/shut down feeds when she was actively talking about fracturing the CO preferring to make a run with DX/Claire/Christian/Hannah.They undoubtedly showed her the contract she signed that stipulates she HAS to do as they tell her. The next day was when she implemented “the plan”.

So if she was going to give up $750k out of being contract coerced I’m more than okay with her getting $62k (with her stipend). And DX will definitely either be back on BB or maybe another show like TAR.

mooning

I understand it was close. Perhaps what helped Tiffani was she was in the House longer and had more exposure to the public.. She played well and + seems like a supper nice woman.

JustMe

I’m pissed that a worthless player (to himself, to others, to the BB game) made it to F2. It’s beside the point that BigD figured he earned it (what a crock). The message to all future BB houseguests is to be a totally lazy dumb worthless player and “you too can make it to final 2” then walk away with a lovely check. One can hope that when BigD returns back to normal life he quickly learns how he’s viewed.

i <3 U

See ya for Celebrity Big Brother, Thanx to you and Dawg for the updates

No fave yet

Cross ur fingers for all black reality show folks on Celebrity BB.

another name

You mean feeds blocked 42 percent of the season….??

The Beef

You guys (You and Dawg) did your usual great job this year Simon! I’m looking forward to seeing you both next season, and probably will see you for Celebrity BB USA as well. I just love the inside scoop we can get here, and all of the great posters that have congregated here over the years, and I’m even looking forward to seeing who Houka picks to win the next one so I’ll know who WON’T win. Hahahahaha

Seriously, love what you guys do, and hope you know I for one really appreciate both of you!

another name

Final speeches. Towing the Company Line.
Both finalists say cookout forever type drivel.
cough cough… was it, like, 3 days ago the two of them were saying they would have said screw the cookout for a final 3 with Old Methdonald?
See, I was always of the opinion that the Cookout was a shield more than a mission to both of the finalists. X wanted to break it at 7, but Hannah won HOH. Couch…. he relied on everyone to keep him safe but let’s be clear, if he had the option, he’d have ditched the women actually preparing the meal the cookout enjoyed waaaaay sooner.

No questions from either Claire or Tiff, yeah.. hey production, taking that whole avoidance thing a little too far, aren’t you? Must have galled them to even have to admit Tiff created the plus one strategy. Shush. Facts are facts. But, if the result for the AFP is adjusted correctly by now… that’s enough crow eating. It’s gonna be Tiff btw. It just is. Even though prodo did her dirty, they know. It just is.

The QA portion sucked. No really. That was incredibly lame ass lob ball questioning that was beyond the pale for suckitude. Fire the schmuck that plotted that heaping bowl of crap and came up with those questions. Gawd.

Hannah saying she was honored to be part of the cookout? Oh honey. When she finds out she was an also ran in the minds of a bunch of cookout members almost up to the final 8… that’s gonna leave a mark. Oh there going to keep going back to that over and over, I can tell. Julie’s going to pitch to Hannah later. Book it.

Just me, but I really don’t care to hear from the prejury. eyeroll. Then again, I’m not USUALLY giving 2 craps about what prejury have to say about the game.
It’s not like they usually say what they really think beyond what production is willing to own.

Couch saying he’s Smokin Joes kid as a secret reveal. I’m STILL sure there was that feed moment in the house where he was pissed near the beginning of the game talking about his boxing training with do you know who i am attached… so…. what????
How many of these secrets would have changed a thing? To me the occupation secrets are silly. It’s one more level of secrecy you have to worry about in a game where you are already having to keep stories straight. Superfluous lying that serves no function imo.
Does Ky regret? Let me answer: No. Ky doesn’t regret shit.
There’s Julie asking Hannah again. sideye. Didn’t see that coming. whistles.

Oh. Xavier won? Hmm. How to put this… Trying to remember if it was even week 2 the first time I said X is the Grodboy this season… might have been early week 2 but outside chance i kept my yap shut until early week 3… so. Shocked. Most shocking thing is Brit voted for Xavier. that surprised me. Unanimous will suprise me more…
Oh. Unanimous. that suprises me….. not because Couch deserved a vote, but because have you listened to some of these houseguests this season?
Winner of the voter popularity contest: Tiffany.
As far as game is concerned, she earned it. For weeks hate or like her she was on everyone’s fingertips for comments. Dx came in second. Did he deserve second… not by the gullible game he played. If voters actually judged game? He was pittiful in terms of strategy. all those chess pieces, and he never figured out he should have been saying oh, half the pieces are one color and half are the other… and they’re on separate sides of the game? Hmmm.
Do i believe the result… i don’t believe any fan vote results. but hey.

And that’s that.

Robert

I am glad that it was unanimous. I thought there was a potential of Kyland being a bitter jury vote for DF

CujoWasHere

Same here!

TTOTambz

AN – you would have bought the Brit vote if you watched TV episodes (I sent you a message but you might not have seen it — TWICE Brit was raving about Xavier’s game & she was super close to Claire/Tiff so I figured they would get her in line).

Did you catch they had to keep switching the cameras off the jury b/c Hannah kept laughing at couch? (it made me giggle — poor camera operator must’ve been told not to stay on jury lol).

another name

I caught bits and pieces of the episode. Not gonna lie, I’m waaaaay out of practice for writing as an episode is playing. Used to be really easy to watch the tv, type, and check for typos during commercials. I’m really out of practice. haha.
Yes. I watched the final episode. So I watched 2 episodes this season.
I did see your response about Brit, and answered if anyone would pity vote it would be her (before joking that the jury house thought it was still the cookout, and were debating who got to throw the pity vote this time). I guess they decided screw pity, they’re getting cash that one of them doesn’t deserve.

The Beef

I also told him about the Brit vote, and that she had NO reason to be loyal to people who weren’t LOYAL to her. That’s the thing about all of that smiling and nodding about the Cookout in the jury – and as AN said in his post – they were TOEING the company line 100% when doing so! But BOTH the Couch and Azah back stabbed her, and she knew that. Now I still believe she may have voted for Azah, because she was closer to her as a friend, but to the Couch? No way she was that close to that asshat, who not only backstabbed her, but also constantly put down ALL women in that house the whole season long. No way she rewards that kind of dis-loyalty with a vote based purely on loyalty. Now if he had actually played the game and DONE something, it may have been different, but since he didn’t, and given all of the rest of this – X gets her vote against him every time.

Roxt

Big D manages to get me even more disgusted than Kyland. What a tool. Saying that he carried Azah, saying that he came up with the plan for the cookout, etc. Hurst my soul that he goes home with a check. He might be thinking: “What? There’ll be Celebrity BB and I wasn’t invited for that?” He deserved some live contempt from his former houseguests but… oh well, let bygones be bygones.

Azah had the opportunity of making history by sending Xavier home when she had that fundamentally important win, but decided to be a moron.

All in all, it was a good season. It’d have been nice to have someone/group suspect what was going on and that things had been a bit more complicated for the cookout, but still no complaints.

Simon/Dawg, Thank you so much for all you do. Your website has been going strong for so many years and I hope you’re getting compensated for all you do.

CLICK ON LINKS AND HELP THE SITE, Y’ALL!!

See you on CBB!

BB fan

DX didn’t deserve AFP after he did what Tiffany and Hannah told him to.

And there you go DX didn’t win AFP. America’s favorite doesn’t go to a player who couldn’t make the right decision if it hit him in the face.

BlueBee

Thank you Simon/ Dawg!!

For countless years I’ve been with you, season after season for all my updates. Thanks so much for your hard work as dry as this season was. The right ppl took the money

Cucumber

There you have your black winner… are you happy now? he just need an alliance bases on skin color and carrying two goats to win.

JarryTristen

You’re 100% correct

San_Diego_Gal

Well, in spite of my season-long sarcastic ranting, I thoroughly enjoyed this season. I’m THRILLED that Tiffany won America’s Favorite. Tiffany made the Cookout and she deserved that win. I was also glad to see DX in the top two. He was delightful to watch. As for our winner, it was fitting that X won 9-0. I have my gripes about X, but he kept his cool locked in a house for three months with Couch, and that alone is worth recognition. I also have high hopes that X will reflect back on the season and see that it was a group effort to get him across the finish line, and with that acknowledgement, he will demonstrate greater respect for the female gender.

Final Thoughts: Huge thanks to Simon & Dawg. Everyone please join me in making one last donation to the “tip jar.” Big shout-out to the posters here: Another Name, TTOTambz, Cujo, The Beef, Daring Librarian, Robert, and so many others that I’m forgetting to mention. You make my day with your posts. I love your wit, insight, and good humor. See y’all for Celebrity BB!

Roxt

Hey! Could you please post some examples of Xavier’s misogyny on here? I’m quite sure I could find comments dissecting it in detail like a few hundred posts ago, but I won’t be able to find them easily. I saw some stuff during the broadcast but I’m sure I’d have seen more if I were watching live feed and reading this website often – I didn’t to keep the surprise factor intact. BigDbag was also a misogynist especially in regards to Whitney’s outfit and the way he put her on the spot and everybody, including the women, laughed and judged her. If people were making fun of his clothes I bet he’d get pissy and b!tch non stop.

CujoWasHere

Agree. I think I am beyond thrilled that Tiffany won AFP. It’s possible X will see the errors of his ways, maybe eat a little crow. He owes Tiffany a great big apology. (Couch needs to apologize to everyone including us. Just saying! I think Couch will go to his grave telling himself it was all him and everyone else were just his little bitches doing his bidding. The moment Julie mentioned celebrity BB I believe he thought that surely they are going to ask him to play.

I don’t usually watch celebrity BB. Who knows, we’ll see. If not, no doubt I’ll be back here next summer. Sometimes I kick myself for watching but I’m still here. At least I don’t make empty threats about never ever watching BB again. Lol!

I’ve enjoyed reading your thoughts/opinions and look forward to doing it all over again next year.

Thanks Simon and Dawg for all you do. I encourage everyone to show their appreciation and hit the DONATE button.

Chessie_K

I liked the season 10x more than last season. Big Brother owes us another All Stars Season

another name

Last season wasn’t all star. It was this is the people we could get during a pandemic.

Chessie_K

I hated BB15 also Simon. What I really want the most is another season of BBOTT. I guess it was too much of a headache for CBS to give us another 24 hour live show. I have never ever in my life seen so many Big Brother fans argue over HG’s like they argued over the cast of BBOTT.

TTOTambz

I’d love to see a similar cast to this season with NO PRODUCTION INTERFERENCE. Although I know it’s unlikely CBS/Grod would do that – this season proved how it would be possible there were so many actual players this season – lots of super fans & lots of people willing to get dirty – strategize etc. The mission took that away.

I do think Azah would’ve been dragged late in the game BUT I doubt couch would’ve got far. Kyland’s control issues wouldn’t have been so readily accepted & Xavier wouldn’t have had the benefit of lying in the weeds until Week 9. That’s not to say X wouldn’t have made it far, rather it would’ve required him being much more involved earlier via winning more comps & being more forthright about game intelligence. As early as week two all of his Kings teammates were discussing taking him out.

IMHO w/o the Cookout I think the group that would have got the furthest was Tiff, Hannah, DX, Chris, Claire with Ally/Brit/Azah/X/SB in the mix. Too many of that group (DX/Chris/Claire/Ally/Brit/SB) wanted to target Ky/X earlier in the game & if Tiff/Han weren’t involved in the Cookout I bet they would’ve worked Chris to take out Ky and DX to take out X (which is what they expressed early in the game). Having those 4 targeting each other also would’ve allowed Tiff/Han/Claire/Ally & perhaps even SB in that scenario to be the benefactors of flying under the radar.

CujoWasHere

100%

Chaddha’s Fish Lips

The Klingon won……. Shocker

Chessie_K

Not cute Simon. Lol

LARRY G DIAZ

Big D is just pathetic. His comments about Azah were just plain rude. He only won because he was the easiest to be beat and proved how worthless he was every week. To think that he did anything even remotely competitive is a joke. The season was definitely one of the worst. I hope that next season we can forgo all the racism crap and focus more on the skills of the players and the game.

CujoWasHere

The only racism crap was from certain commenters.

Chessie_K

Exactly!

Dx_fan

I’m actually shocked Kyland voted for X.

Chessie_K

I am too. I guess Ky matured just a little. X is still not happy with him though. Wait until Tiff finds out that Ky has been talking to her son about her on the Live Feeds, calling her liars etc. That is where the real drama is going to be!!

Dx_fan

Don’t forget the drama around Big Dufus, Kyland and his ring! I wonder if Ky wore it again tonight lol

Chessie_K

Yes. I forgot about the Ring

Just a game show

She got other things to be concerned about her son seeing.

TTOTambz

FYI – seeing tweets congratulating Xavier for winning BB23 & Tiffany for winning AFP. In the ones I saw the likes for Tiff were double what the likes were for X!

incog99

What happened to all the fake social distancing during the finale with Julie Chen?

incog99

LOL

CujoWasHere

ROFL!!!

The Beef

Hahahahahaha

Chessie_K

Lolololol!! Too funny Simon

Nana1

Thank you so much to Simon and Dawg for having to watch the nonsense and keep us up to date! Till next year!

Lorne

In my opinion the fans should vote for 1 nomination and have the fans vote out who they want out.

Arly

I’m also certain everyone saw X just totally ignoring Azah after he won. That was pretty hilarious (& expected.)

Terry

Did anyone notice an awkwardness between Azah and X it was like he was hugging everyone but trying to avoid her. Wonder if she feels played? Worst season ever and totally played exactly how production told them to. Derek X should have gotten AFP! Wonder how many viewers they lost over this ridiculous season? Interesting prize money has never been increased for any other season. Will they do a season like this on survivor too?

mooning

This season of Survivor is great so far.

Ky for Worst Loser Ever

I enjoyed Claire’s crafty comment when she voted. The third thing she loves which she didn’t experience tonight, was being proven wrong. She was referencing her warning to everyone about X. He won, she knew it would happen if he wasn’t taken down while there was still a chance. Very classy way to say it, with humor and subtlety.

TTOTambz

I think that was a double fact – she was also the one that wanted Big D evicted & was working on that even prior to jury starting — saying if they didn’t take him out early he’d end up being dragged to F2 taking a spot both her/DX felt wouldn’t be fairly deserved.

TTOTambz

I’m just reviewing parts of the Q&A. Did anyone else catch Xavier’s BIG LIE in his Q & A?

He said one of his biggest moves of the season was THROWING HOH to DX so that ONE OF THE KINGS COULD BE EVICTED — umm if that is true then why did you ask DX to keep ALL the Kings safe the minute he came down off the wall?

And he also had NO CLUE Christian was the back door target thinking Big D would be the renom. He can say well I was okay with SB going but the truth was he didn’t want any of the Kings going.

We’ll have to wait & see if some of the more dialed in analysts call him to task in his post game interviews. Taran of Rob Has a Podcast already was saying “IF” either Big D or X try to keep pushing their narrative he’ll tell them how Tiffany did a TON to keep X safe as well as Hannah/Kyland as for Big D he kind of laughed & said we’ll I won’t purposely embarrass him but I also won’t let him lie when the live feeds offer facts.

another name

The other misrepresentation:
On the block 5 times with only one vote cast against him.
Does it count if you complain to the veto holder that you don’t want to be on the block anymore, so you are removed from the block more than once so that you aren’t up for eviction ON eviction night?
It’s like if the Couch tried to say he had the opportunity to become HOH 14 times. Sure, everyone that participates in an hoh comp COULD become HOH. Doesn’t mean they ever won HOH.

Sir Kirby Williams

Taran and Rob were weak with their interviews. Probably too scared of hurting their own future chances to appear on a BB season and out truth and production.
Rob and Taran: what flavor of God’s Kool-Aid is your favourite?