Head of Household Winner: Nicole
Nominations are: Jackson & Holly
Power of Veto holder: Jackson
Power of Veto Ceremony:
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Power Of Veto Winner: Jackson
Nicole & Jackson are guaranteed final 3
Nicole that was hard. Jackson – thank you god! Jackson leaves the room and says sorry. I’m not trying to be rude. Cliff – no, go and celebrate. Jackson – its not even that, I just need some time. Cliff – embrace the moment, we are all proud of you. Holly and Nicole – well deserved! Holly talks about how she had to stop three times to use her inhaler
Jackson goes to the bedroom and starts crying. Jackson – I love you mom! I’m going to the final three with Holly! I’m going to the final 3 with HOLLY! We DID IT! WE DID IT! I love you mamma. We did it! He did it Holl’s! We did! We’re going to finale night! Thank you god! We had a job to do and we did it! Big Brother calls Jackson to the diary room.
At the diary room door Holly tells Jackson to be happy. Jackson says this is me being happy. Are you serious! This is me being happy! Holly – okay! Jackson – sh*t! Holly – I didn’t know! Jackson grabs the door and shakes it forcing it open. Holly – okay, I love you. Jackson heads into the diary room.
While alone Cliff tells Nicole – I trust him. Holly comes back and talks about how Jackson is mad. She says that she should be the one that is sad.
Nicole, Holly and Cliff talk about the competition and how they had to run back and forth. They realized that this was Michie’s comp because of his stamina. Nicole – no offence against Michie. I am just frustrated in myself. Holly – me too because my life was on the line.
7:33pm Jackson comes out of the diary room and head to the bedroom to do a prayer by the bed. Holly comes in and Jackson asks her to give him a second.
7:35pm Jackson comes out of the bedroom and opens his arms to Holly. She jumps on him to hug him. Jackson – I would never turn my back on you. You’re coming with me. Holly – do you realize how much you deserve the half a million dollars!? Do you realize that. Its within reach. There is no way if you’re up there the jury won’t give it to you. Jackson – I want you up there with me. Holly – you deserve this. Jackson – we’re going to finale night! Jackson – we did and no one in the jury wanted us to. We wouldn’t be here in this position if they didn’t try to F**k it. Holly – I handed her top three. Jackson – nothing in this game or in life is just served up on a platter. I’ll be damned after working my a$$ off if I am going to give someone else a half a f**king million. I worked hard to get here and I am not giving it to anybody! Holly – you worked harder than anyone. Jackson – I give you permission to compete but you have to evict him?! It makes me want to f**king throw up. Holly – like I said in my eviction speech you have a heart of gold and backbone of steel. And that backbone does not allow bullsh*t like that. Jackson – if y’all want to be snakes in the grass I will slither right there with you. But there is bite behind this f**king bark and y’all are about to see it. Holly – you amaze me! Jackson – we did it!
7:40pm – 8pm Kitchen. Jackson tells the others in the kitchen that he might sleep on the cot tonight. Jackson – I walked away from that and was about to have a panic attack. I was like can we please just go to the backyard. Cliff – I heard you and I saw you. Jackson – I was certain. I can live with loss when I did the best I could. I walked away knowing the mistakes I made and what I could have done to change them. Cliff – as long as you know you did the best you could. I came in at 38 minutes. I was exhausted out there. They all sit around the kitchen talking about how are the comp was and what their strategies were.
8:03pm Jackson – my blood pressure was scary high. I wasn’t throwing a temper tantrum but I was so mad I thought I was going to tear up the DR. I thought.. I was so certain. Cliff – I think we all left it all out there in that last veto. Jackson – we did. And even though I know where I could have fixed it .. I truly gave it my all.
Kitchen. Jackson – Mom is going to be so happy. Nicole hugs Jackson. Cliff – you all did so good. Holly – we all worked so hard to get here. Jackson – I don’t think anyone expected any of us to get this far. We all had the odds stacked against us. We’re in the final four! Cliff – since day one we all had a connection. Holly – you three were who I was instantly drawn to you. Cliff – the three of you have a special spot in my heart. They reminisce about the personalities of the evicted house guests and why they got evicted.
8:24pm – 8:40pm Cliff – our first formal dinner at the small table. Jackson – what was that one called? Nicole – “Win & You’re In!” The sit around the table eating and chatting.
Kitchen. Cliff and Nicole. Nicole as a fan of the show I would be more than happy to see you and Michie. Cliff – well thank you. Nicole – and that’s okay with me. The competitor and the perfectionist in my is very frustrated in myself. Cliff – its two versus one. There is still game to be played. Now if either one of us goes up against him in the final 2.. it is going to be hard. But if either one of us takes him out .. I think that helps our own case. You and I with voters… who knows which way that will go. Nicole – it could go either way.
8:53pm – 9:04pm Bedroom. Jackson holds the veto and tells Holly – this is our ticket to final 3! We’re going to finale night! Give it a kiss. They both kiss it and then kiss each other. Jackson – I did it for you. I was fine ..both were going to take me. Holly – I don’t think he was going to. Jackson – I wasn’t going to risk it. Jackson – I am sorry to the Hogg family. (Cliff Hogg) This would not have come to this if they had kept their word. He should have stuck up for himself and not the he was sticking up for Nicole. Its going to cost him. She might have cost him half a million. Why would I bend over backwards for someone who broke their word. If you want something you f**King take it. You don’t just wait for someone to hand it to you. I am not done fighting.. we have a job to do next week and I am going to bust my a$$.
9:26pm Nicole – Love fest!
9:40pm – 9:52pm Tie die party .. POP TV gives the house guests t-shirts and ink to do their own t-shirts. They leave it to do later or tomorrow and head up to the HOH room. Nicole listens to her music and Holly / Jackson play chess.
10:12pm The reality of everything is hitting Nicole. Jackson – your social game is impeccable. And you earned a spot in the final 3. You earned it. Your social game has carried you thus far. You won the veto to keep you and Cliff safe. Your physical game has brought you to final 3. Nicole – I know. Jackson – there is no reason why assumptions should be made or why you would feel like you haven’t earned something. Nicole – even just in general.. and maybe I shouldn’t be saying this until after the season but I’ve questioned everything so much that for you guys to go with your word that.. just I don’t know! You’re far better people than me .. I don’t think I could have done that. Nicole starts crying. I just feel bad. Jackson hugs her. Jackson – don’t feel bad for a second. We all have to turn on each other at some point in this game. We signed up to be 1 out of 16 winning. One person wins and 15 don’t. The decisions we make are game but the connections are real.
10:50pm HOH room. Holly talking to the cams. Meanwhile, Cliff and Nicole chat about the game. Cliff – this is the strangest experience I’ve ever been in. When I get out of here I’m not going to be able to trust anyone.
11:36pm – 12am Nicole and Cliff reminisce about past events of the season while looking at the memory wall. The conversation turns to talking about their outside lives and other random things.
12:47 am Cliff and Nicole
N – I just hope it works out CLiff
C – I think it will
N – You spoke with Michie again?
They agree he shouldn’t be the paranoid person that always brings up the matter.
C – he’d be hard-pressed to change it he’s talked about it too much.
N – It still amazes me she threw that HOH. Am I a different type of person am I a horrible person?
C – she agreed to do it for a chance to be here another week
N – even then if people voted for me to stay I would have a hard time going through with it
They talk about hos much money Michie has won already
Cliff – you’re going to make somewhere between 10 and 500 thousand
Cliff says the viewers are “watching us make deals and make things happen there’s nothing wrong with that”
They go on about Holly taking that deal and throwing the HOH.
N – I feel guilty because I knew she was going to throw it I was like oh great Cliff and I will win I never discussed with you what we should do. I should have thrown it to you I don’t know why I didn’t consider that.
C – no we did it the right way. Why would you throw that one to me that wouldn’t make any sense?
N – I have survivors guilt
N – I respect Michie’s game so much and he deserves to be in the final 3
They agree they wish Michie was in Final 3 but he Deserves to be there
Nicole – so much
Cliff says Mcihei is a “Southern Gentalman” in the south “A handshake means something”
C – if you look a man in the eye and shake his hand and agree to something
N – that’s crazy
C – all this swearing on the bible. it’s just a handshake and a look in the eye. That’s why I trust it’ll go the way it did
C – that’s why I felt a little trapped if I had won
Cliff is happy he made the deal with Jackson he thinks Jackson will take him over Holly.
Nicole tells him he’s got her jury vote.
1:02 am The backyard is open
1:20 am Chit chat
1:54 am Michie and Holly
Talking about using the veto on Holly. Jackson laughs that with his luck she would decide to keep Cliff over Jackson
H – WHAT! JACKSON! never in a million. I threw a fricken HOH to Nicole
J – how stupid would I look guaranteed ticket to final night give it to a girl I’m in a showmance with BURNED out you go
H – You know I would never in a million years do that but it’s up to you
Holly says even if she knew she would lose to Jackson, in the end, she could never evict him, “I cold enver live with myself if I don’t take you”
Jackson says if Holly wasn’t here he would roll the dice with Cliff but if Holly is here he wasn’t to go to the end with her.
Jackson – I really wonder if Cliff would have taken me.
H – he was making it seem like it wouldn’t be you to me
J – that’s fine if that’s the case it makes this a whole lot easier
2:16 am
J – He got very out of his Character the past week
H – he’s exhausted I feel bad
J – I do too
H – like you said he’s getting sloppy
J – Sloppy
H – He’s always been a deals man always but he’s making sloppy reckless deals
J – reckless. He’s not thinking them through. There are only 4 people in this house and you’re thinking that talking to the only showmance in the four they are not going to compare notes and realize what you are doing.
J – You’re telling me to my face if you pick me to go to final 3 I have to take you to final 2 but then you are not taking me to final 2 in return
J – You’re telling Holly that she has no choice but to throw the HOh and the veto but if she wants to compete in the veto she has to take you (Cliff) to final 3.
J – I’m sorry it’s almost comical. In what world would that ever fly. Especially knowing the individuals you and I are? Do you really think we’ll bend over backwards here’s your finale night ticket
J – I’ll take fourth I’ll do whatever I can to win this thing but I rather you have it.. You have it.take it.. no it’s all yours
J – I love him as a man and I have so much respect for him on a personal level and that will never change. I had so much respect for him on a game level until this week
H – Same
J – that’s the unfortunate thing.
Jackson explains had they not tried to flip on Holly she would have won HOH
J – it would be a tough decision for me to pick between Cliff and Nicole. Very very tough. But this picking between new cliff. Cliff 2.0. FDR Cliff and Holly it’s a no brainer.
J – it gets me so worked up when he said in the kitchen it’s all your last few days
J – No offense Cliff but he made these deals way too soon he should have seen the outcome of the veto. He was trying to set himself up for success this early. knowing we will gun for the veto!
H – there first mistake was breaking our deal. Our FInal 4
Jackson says all the Keeping Tommy Drama and Cliff/Nicole going back on their deal last week is what is costing Cliff his game.
J – That was a half-million-dollar mistake
H – it was, going back on their word, Forcing me into a corner
J – strong-arming you
H – and then I didn’t go back on my deal and things turned out regardless
J – the thing that infuriates me the most is the superiority to you and him making you feel inferior like you need his permission to compete in a veto. The most important competition of the season. 13 weeks in the making. She is 31 years old grown women she doesn’t need permission from anyone for anything in life.
Jackson about what Cliff said “You can compete but if you win you have to use it on me”
J – either you don’t compete. You throw it to me OR you will be allowed to compete on the grounds that you evict him (Jackson)
Holly laughs
J – where’s Ashton Kushner is he going to say we’re on punkd
H – it’s one of the more outlandish things I’ve ever heard.
Jackson – this past week he’s been sloppy. He’s playing checkers now. He’s playing like Nick, Like Bella. Just slinging sh1t around seeing what sticks and getting messy doing it
J – He’s not Cliff right now. He’s off his game
H – I know and it makes me feel bad or at the same time is this more of his true character begin exposed now that he’s so worn down.
J – I think he’s exhausted and he’s making decisions outta haste to be done with this. He’s over it and doesn’t have the energy to put the thought or effort into it
J – I think last week for them to have the power to control the fate of this house got to their heads a little bit
H – it did
J – There’s a sense of confidence thay they didn’t have all season
H – they haven’t been in power for most of the season
J – they had FULL control
H – Cliff had one HOH early in the game since neither had any power until day 79. their whole attitude changed.
2:42 am Holly and Jackson
Michie – feels like yesterday I was trying to get votes for Camp director and making it seem like I don’t want it.
6:20 am Zzzzzzzz
10:26 am Nicole up talking to us about her casting experiance.
11:41 am Zzzzzzz
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This is officially the Jackson show! Game over!!! Ur BB21 winner = Snackson!!!
I can’t stand Jackson. No need to watch any longer.
Don’t hate what you can’t beat.
Everybody is jelly now that my man is going to win.
Enjoy having wild unadulterated sex with Holly for the next week.
They are truly a Big Brother Super Couple!
Jelly jelly jelly… Hahahahaha
decent troll post. upvote
It’s interesting how everything Jackjaw and his receptor have done this week is the fault of everybody else….I like their logic.
Simon/Dawg,
Has anyone checked on Houka? This veto probably hit him hard.
Craziest thing, but I, too, was wondering all day “Hey. Where’s Houka??” What a character. Always so wrong, but so adamant. Makes me laugh, for some odd reason.
ah Houka, AKA, NOT-stradamus.
never took Houka serious, but hope Houka’s okay. fun guy. fungi.
I bet Houka went back to his hookah.
that’s not being jealous. that’s called rooting for who you want to win. i dont like michie either
What makes them a power “couple”? Holly has done…….?
she’s been a human c@ck holster. that’s what makes her part of a couple, and that’s the only thing that has given her any social sway in the game.
“Cliff – since day one we all had a connection. Holly – you three were who I was instantly drawn to you.”
BahahahahahaHA! Ohhh Holly, you really crack me up!!
Yeah, what kind you of BS was that; on both their parts!!!
Has anyone been watching ex on the beach with Elena & Mark being on there??? Elena was only on 2 weeks…she’s turned out to be a hot mess. Mark now has control over their relationship which makes Elena appear desperate. Mark is hooking up with Aubrey O’day lollllllllllllllll…she & her ex gf are teaching him to kiss…ugh! Theyv’e all 3 agreed that Aubrey can be with all of them…go figure…ew
haha…I saw that…crazy! :p
And this pertains to BB how?
they are former bb contestants
Thanks for the assist :p
polyamory? nice
:/ lol
I’ve been over this season since I first saw Jackson’s face. I’ve watched BB religiously since it first aired and this is by far the worst season. I just keep hoping Evil Dick will walk through the door and Give Jackson and Holly Hell. Ugh so annoyed.
Enjoy the jury house Cliff.
PS Save a bed for Nicole.
Nicole is guaranteed F3 and be there on Finale night. She’ll never see the jury house.
I think Jackson deserves to win the season but Nicole at the worst is going to win favorite player in my opinion.
Hopefully we get some jury footage on tonights show.
Agree! I see production wanting one of each couple in f2 so it will be intersting to see this play out. Jackson most likely wins part 1 hoh goes to 3rd and i see Nicole winning part 3 Hoh…
When Nicole wins part 3 she has said she wld take Holly cuz Jackson scares the crap out of her… We shall see and i hope Jackson finishes 3rd place cuz this whole season has been catered to him. He has won $10 grand already on top of stipend… If he won it all that wld be crazy!!!
Yep sadly that’s all we can hope for with 2 physical competitions in a row this week it looks like production wanted this…..weird.
Oh you KNOW Grod was pissed when that HOH comp only took a few minutes. You GOTTA know that.
You know i’ve been pointing out every Grod move this season and how it would shield or help Jackson in the game since week one. From saying they’d have him separate from the gr8ful side and jump to the side with the more fan friendly players (predicted near the end of Jack’s HOH so weeks before it happened), increasing individually timed comps for the season so they could be sure he wouldn’t be in peril, allowing him anything he asks for so that his true personality doesn’t sneak out (including with holding alcohol as much as possible). Reminding him about his image and how to act daily.
How anybody is surprised the final 4 veto was an individual time comp instead of a head to head race in a season where a house guest that would have been a good bbplayer without the help is given so much help is beyond me.
Nicole might be at a disadvantage in the third comp, which is a how-well-you-know-the-jurors comp. she really only knew Jessica, Nick and, now, Cliff.
Jackson and Holly know their foemer alliance members very well.
I see jackson winning part one and holly winning part 2 and then part 3 wont matter as holly and jackson will take each other to f2. Nicole is useless, she aint winning another comp, know one will throw her this one.
Part one of HOH is traditionally a test of endurance. Depending on which route they go each one has a case. If it’s more strength and power edge to Jackson. If it’s about patience and flexibility the girls have the edge.
Part two of HOH is traditionally a test of house history knowledge with a skill twist (except season 18, that was a stupid individually timed exercise in ridiculousness).
If Jackson is smart he tosses part one to Holly and competes against Nicole in part 2. Holly’s recognition of events sucks and while she might have more ability in the skill twist, she’s lacking in requisite knowledge of the house events that will make her time suffer immensely. Jackson will not think to toss part one to Holly. He will want the easiest road for himself. That decison could give a part 2 edge to Nicole.
Part three is usually some kind of house guest knowledge. Tricky. Nicole knows more about Jess, Nick and Cliff maybe Kat (in game not in real life). Holly knows more about Kat (in real life maybe not game) Sis and Tommy. Jackson knows more about Jack. I’m not sure if any of them paid attention to Crustie. The rest of the house Holly and Jackson had a tendency to talk over, not listen to, one up in conversation or dismiss (Holly famously as people she’d never associate with in real life). While Nicole bonded with jurors before they left, I’m not sure how much authenticity she got from them.
That’s a format change ai don’t like. It was much better when only two people were left in the house and the jury questions went for more than an hour. You really don’t learn anything as a juror in only a few questions — and you don’t really have time to consider the answers and the reasons behind the moves.
Bitter jurors don’t have the time to think, so they remain bitter. When the questioning was a few days before, it can allow plenty of time to overcome.
Dan wouldn’t have swept in BB10 under the current system. April and Ollie and maybe Michelle would have gone Memphis’ way.
That makes you a fan of the BB game. Most people are fans of house guests, not BB.
Sadly, production is a fan of ratings.
Totally agree.
At least you can tune out until finale night….I need a break from that legoheaded mommy chaser and it will be well deserved. Punishing season lol.
“I just keep hoping Evil Dick will walk through the door and Give Jackson and Holly Hell.”
He has aids…..he is never stepping foot in the BB house again.
He does not have AIDS, He is HIV positive..big difference.
“I just keep hoping Evil Dick will walk through the door and Give Jackson and Holly Hell.”
If he came through the door he would high five Jackson.
It is Jackson game.. but don’t give up on Nicole just yet..I think she can win it. I am not a Jackson fan..he really played the game..it is a dirty game and lying, backstabbing is part of it as well. I believe you play a different character in BBH than out the house..to get to the end you will get dirty 500k is on the line. I want Nicole to win.
You say all that and then say o want nicole to win. Nicole is none of that
Nicole vs. Jackson vs. Beth
Jury management: Nicole got close to and bonded with most of the jurors before they were evicted. Jackson antagonized them and blamed them. They don’t think of Beth as an individual.
Target aquisiton: Jackson took out Sis and Jess. Spin it how you want: if you have Christie in your crosshairs and you take out Sis and Jess you are a piss poor shot. Jackson can’t even claim Tommy unless he claims his lie. That one if he wants to keep his good guy edit goes to Nicole, who also gets to claim being the deciding vote in most evictions, and the honor of taking out Christie. Nobody thinks Beth’s hoh was even Beth’s HOH.
Comp wins: goes to Jackson.
Clutch comp wins: goes to Nicole and Jackson evenly (if Beth is stupid enough to throw a comp it still goes to Nicole).
Social game: goes to nicole.
Strategic game: would have gone to Nicole if they took out Beth. Now goes to Jackson for intimidating everyone into doing his will.
How any of this adds up to Jury I don’t know.
All i can truly say is if Jackson or Nicole win final HOH and don’t take Beth, they are dumb.
How great would it be if mommy dearest is so embarrassed by her sons performance this summer that she doesn’t show up for final night!
That’s dumb. What would she be embarrassed about? Do you have family problems you want to share?
She is probably very proud of him it’s called enabling…….she helped make him the pompous douchebag he is lol.
Where’s Jackson’s dad?
Jackson’s dad is a keyboard player named Fish.
I get the feeling he’s either on the road a lot, or his parents are no longer together.
Dad is hard at work at the Lego factory.
That’s nasty that you would wish something like that on someone. Grow up.
Same! Nicole for the win!
I wanted Cliff there. Yet if it’s Jackson/Holly F2 I prefer Jackson winning. Of course Nicole would be my choice of winner and she has a shot. So they all are in the extra money now. So may vote Cliff AFP.
Agree, it is a dirty game. Being a Pollyanna won’t get you 500k. I’m rooting for Nicole but she does need another win. That, alongside her social game could give Jurors an excuse not to vote for Jackson if they’re final 2. Remember, she went from being the crazy 8’s number 1 target to sweet, harmless lovable Nicole. Some even cheered for her.
I just don’t want to see Jackson in final 2. The righteous act from J&H just rubs me the wrong way. It’s not so much what they did to get to F4, It’s their pompous attitude, the way they pretend they played with integrity and justify their moves…it’s Nicole and Cliff’s fault that he told the big Tommy lie. It’s not so much that he did it, albeit it was pretty brutal, he just needs to own it. He made a move to keep him & Holly safe. It’s the game. I’m not saying he should come clean w/C&N but behind closed doors and cameras on? Dude, come on. We see you. I didn’t see Ciff disrespecting Holly but seriously? I guess Jackson thinks he is the only one that gets to do that.
I do hate Cliff’s game and the influence he had over Nicole. I hate that Nicole let him influence her game, often going against her better judgment.
Just me thinking out loud.
All we need to happen is for Nicole to win 1 of the 2 HOH comps then she has a great chance against either Jackson or Holly in the true or false on final night. Then she takes Holly and has about a 70% chance in my opinion to win.
Exactly. She has been studying just as much as everyone else. They’ve had 2 physical/endurance in a row so the rest should be mental…I think….which gives her a chance.
Or if they fo before or after as the 3rd and final hoh like they use to do in the past bb…. Nicole wld have a good chance at that!
lol cliff
this what you get for booting tommy
Sad but true! As poor as cliffs health has been looking lately I’m afraid when Jackson evicts him he could stroke out. He actually believes Jackson would give up holly so quickly?? His decision making has been quite bad lately, the game has taken a toll. Sorry cliff, we didn’t want things to end this way for u but it’s what u insisted
Jackson can only beat Holly in the final two. Holly has no hope of winning (it would be a fluke because this is not a bitter jury.)… both lose to Nicole… they are not bitter but most like Nicole and she did get further than anyone expected.
🙁
Goodbye. 🙂
Cliff you have lost the game. Jackson will win. ?
Bye, Bye Cliff!
Cliff played so hard for America’s Favorite, but he’ll leave Big Brother as America’s dumb@$$.
Hahaha, indeed!!
Why does Cliff have no money? He’s a petroleum engineer!
Cliff spends all his money on Furry costumes. Do you know how much an Peppa Pig costume in Cliff’s size costs?
Cliff cld still win AFP! Wldnt that be the cake topper to end this season… I wld LMFAO!!!
Bye Cliff!
Addios grandpa.
Its official J&H final two. Best of luck Nicole not. You and cliff fooook up last week and karma is gonna send Cliff out. How hell is he gonna send all those messages to wifey now?
Sharon……I f@cked the pooch on this one…,..
Cliff played a very good game but Jackson played a better one.
Jackson won comps but cannot say he played a better game. I’ve disliked a lot of winners but he should never even made the show. He a violent, aggressive, domestic assault asshole that’s been coddled by mommy all his life. I had a father that physically & mentally abused my mother & brothers…I see it every time his jaw clenches…and the intensity changes in his eyes. This time I agree CBS walked him to the end by putting the challenges in place they knew he could win. Mommy & her money scared CBS with threat of a lawsuit, she said his mental health was in jeopardy, while at the same time she’s left at home to clean up his legal issues…14 counts to be exact. Holly is his puppy & stress relief while on the show. He’s already set it up to kick her to the curb on finale night. Besides humping perv Nick, I’ve never dispised a houseguest more. Rant over!!!
What 14 counts? And where’s his daddy?
Yeah…..whuuutt?? Guess I missed this?
His new nickname should be Compson….
For the sake of all the ones that are inevitably going to come at you like hyenas:
you mean alleged charges and alleged lawsuit.
While there are multiple reports of charges, nothing has yet been verified. The same is to be the case for any alleged lawsuits. There are reports but nothing verified.
We have only Kat’s word on feeds that he is facing dv charges. Just like we only have jackson’s word that he has been abusing multiple prescription drugs since long before they ever gave him a prescription. Just like we only have Jackson’s word that he committed fraud by failing to disclose parts of his medical records in his application forms because those disclosures would disqualify him from participating.
The fact that production took face value and didn’t practice due diligence in vetting, and put him on the program as a danger to himself or others would be the basic basis of any possible avenue of litigation. Because of the legalese of the application and contracts he signed, he most likely would not win such litigation unless he could prove that he was not of a capacity to be held liable due to his undisclosed conditions.
Yep you sign your life away on the CBS bb contract…..(Your not allowed to talk about production!)
It’s the part of the contract that extends for years after the season where you are not allowed to mention anything about production involvement in your season that has always freaked me out. I mean: if I were conspiratorial i’d be reading that and saying what have you got to hide?
I think the term has ended for 15… so Helen, were you pushed?
Cliff tells Nicole that Jackson is a trustworthy man and he believe Jackson will keep his word. Cliff needs to wake up he is about to get a big eye opener. Jackson is Not going to take him to the F3..I don’t understand why would Cliff think Jackson or Holly would take him to F3.. taking out Tommy costed Cliff a chance at winning 500k..I do not feel sorry for him at all..Cliff made too many mistakes with Nicole..Cliff wanted Jackson and he is about to get some of Jackson..crazy stuff LOL
Cliff knows he is toast.
Cliff’s a slack-jaw
Derpy dee derp dee derp…. drool cup
By the time the jury(including a pissed Cliff) deliberate their won’t be enough votes for him to beat Nicole but Mommy he could beat.
Tommy wouldn’t take Cliff either. Even if he voted out Holly, how would that help his situation. tommy sucked in the mental comps and was strong in the physical/endurance ones. Jackson knows Cliff is strong mentally, so he’d still get cut.
Dawg,
Any idea what the veto comp was?
Sounds like it was shooting balls to knock down houseguest cutouts based on Q&A.
The veto comp was a watermelon eating contest. Go figure.
Biter, party of one crow?
I for one am happy for Jackson. Say bye bye to the Cliffster! I honestly don’t get that Cliff actually thinks Jackson would take him instead of Holly.
So what happens now? If he uses it on Holly then only Cliff is left, but there has to be two people on the block right?
He uses it on himself and votes Cliff out.
Jackson will use it on himself, Cliff goes up; Jackson votes Cliff out. No matter what, Holly is in F2.
Down votes for answering a question with the truth? LOL
How do you figure “NO MATTER WHAT” Holly is final 2?
Because, regardless of who wins the 3rd HOH, both Jackson and Nicole will take Holly to F2
Your right my bad.
i know some people who want Jackson to win. I know some people who want Nicole to win. Does anyone know anybody who wants Holly to win?
so what will holly do with the $50,000?
i leave to you, OBBers. zing away!
She will let her next boyfriend gamble it away during a weekend in Las Vegas that she paid for.
Hahaha, sad but true
she’ll design flesh colored tights for the homeless. Then buy a weeks worth of makeup. The remainder she’ll give to Jackson to cover his rent because he’ll have already spent his winnings on xanax without a prescription, some floozy he met at the wrap party, and watermelons.
Botox, Juviderm and makeup
Whatever she wants to…just like anyone else.
She will use the money for diapers for baby jackson.
Down payment for Jackson’s house in LA
Don’t forget jackson doesnt have a car so def some of his money wld be for a car… prob legal fees for a lawyer to straighten up his mess…
Well since she said her and jackson are going big time on 1st vacation to boli (maldives) this year im sure there goes a bit right out the window… supposedly they both want to travel alot…
It would be hilarious if Holly won the final comp and took Nicole to F2. That would be the icing on the cake and make up for this crappy season just to see the look on Jackson’s face. A girl can dream.
She’d still lose. Nicole has made bigger moves, Nicole has made friends in jury, jury hates jackson so would hold it against her. Holly is playing for 2nd.
Dee derpy dee derp dee dee derp
Thanks for the answers guys. And thank you to the jerk offs who put a thumbs for me just asking a question. Wake up on the right side of the bed tomorrow.
The season is a snooze fest. So sick of wacko Jacko and his winch. Cliff and Nichole made a huge mistake by getting rid of Tommy. DUMB DUMB DUMB! Cliff is high as hell if he thinks Jackson will take him. Funny how Cliff and Nichole are the devil for considering their options but here’s Wacko Jacko rearing back about to stab cliff in the back…but who cares Jackson is god…kill me now.
Someone is a little jelly.
Don’t hate the player Babieeeee, hate the game!
I hate both.
I hate Grodner
Omg,I was saying the same thing. I was so mad Thursday night when they evicted Tommy. And for Jackson to say they broke the deal how the hell did they break it yeah there was the thought of keeping Tommy but after Jackson put fear in Nicole and cliff they still kept his girl. Now Jackson is talking shit on cliff saying he should have kept the deal blah blah, even if Nicole and cliff wasn’t thinking of evicting holly and never made Jackson lie to Tommy( Jackson said that) he still would have voted cliff out over holly regardless. I think it’s funny how Jackson is telling Holly he doesn’t know if they will be together after the show but I garantee if she wins he will be farther up her ass than he already is. Lol. Now cliff I kinda feel bad for but then again I don’t how dumb he truly believes Jackson is taking him over holly, come on cliff really he can’t see how happy holly is. I always liked cliff but now not so much. For some reason all season he talked about getting Tommy out I think cliff was a little anti gay could be wrong but imo. Anyway cliff and Nicole are going to feel so stupid when they re watch the show and see Tommy was telling the truth but it’s a game and it’s to late now.
Cliff is a fool if he thinks Jackson is going to honor anything
Does Cliff REALLY think Jackson is taking him to the final 3 over Holly???!!!??????
When will the light bulb finally turn on? Will Nicole have to turn in on for him??
I don’t get Cliff’s logic either. First, there was the final 4 agreement that Nicole and Cliff decided to break which caused a major blow-up. Second, Cliff decides to renegotiate new agreements with Jackson and Holly for both to bring Cliff to final 3 all while forcing Jackson and Holly to vote out each other. These 2 have been banging the whole season and Cliff actually thought that he could manipulate his way between them. He must be really dense if he doesn’t realize that these two talk. I thought engineers were supposed to be smart. You couldn’t make this stuff up. I think this is hilarious.
It’s probably directed by the DR…..they were all ready to keep Tommy then the impossible happened (production) I refuse to believe Cliff/Nicole are that clueless…..but who knows it’s all scripted anyway.
On the feeds, Cliff is seriously telling Nicole that he expects Jackson to evict Holly and take him. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Cliff, please get your stupid away from Nicole.
OMG Cliff has lost it
Now he won’t be able to do the shirt pull and finger snap routine again. Priceless!
Thank You 10 fold for that! That annoyed the crap out of me watching him do that every time…
Didnt Cliff tell Michie if he won veto or HoH ..he was taking Nicole…but if anyone else won they better take him? Can’t have it both ways Cliff. Final four is over. Can’t get upset because its now a fight to the finish.
Nicley done Jackson !
K we know Nicole is already F3, now with Jackwad winning Veto he takes himself or Holly down and Cliff goes up. Buuuttt, who casts the vote for Cliff or Holly to stay? Just Jackson? (forgive me…its been awhile since I actually paid attention to how this works with a showmance etc at the end) Thanks!
Christie has the universe cast the vote to evict.
Based on his comments is he going to to take Holly off the block and let her evict Cliff? That would really be a total dick move towards Cliff.
Jackson cast the vote
Can he be a douche? Hell yes!
Does he have a strange affinity towards watermelon? FOR SURE!
Does he deserve to be in the final two? ABSOLUTELY
People can hate him, deservedly so, but you can’t deny the boy has done an awesome job. He wins when he needs to win, had Cliff eating out of the palm of his hand the whole season, was the first one to call Christie on her bullsh*t, and completely cut himself from the sh*tty six minus Holly. Bravo Jackson
I would honestly be giving Jackson a standing ovation for winning veto if they had had customary final four race at the same time to finish the final four veto comp. The individual time comp we’ll never get to see in full side by side, I don’t trust it. Sorry. I’ll never trust an individual time comp on big brother.
NO. honestly. in a head to head race comp, i’ve congratulated every winner, even if i loathed them. this individual time we’ll never see the whole thing crap? nope.
my fellow conspiracist, do you think production is done? or will we see “change ups” for the F3 comps?
The only move I can see them making is the season 18 move. That had nothing to do with the final three comps per se (although one of the season 18 final hoh comps was complete and utter crap), the only possible thing they can do now is:
a) concentrate on jury questions (they write them, hand over a bunch, and tell them to pick from the pre- arranged bunch). They could feasibly give a finalist a heads up to how to answer said questions (like how they prepped Jack for his dressing down by Julie, or how they prepped Jackson for the field trip so that his reaction would be in character and come off well to viewers like Jackson said on feeds after the fact). That one is more for viewers than jurors.
b)council jurors and suggestively guide them. Like those 2 surprise votes that got Nicole the win in 18 (Natalie and Da, who spoke regularly and often about having no respect for Nicole’s game even in jury segments on the show cast two head scratchers for her. Anyone that doesn’t remember the head scratching after the vote saying why did they switch? was too busy basking in Paul lost and a woman beat a man for the first time in us bb (in the season grod and kassss had advertisd in early season pre-feeds interviews as a season where women could win out) to question how for that season… which led us to him getting the second chance in 19 and the carte blanche he had for that second bite at the apple). In the conspiracy they needed 2 surprise votes because James would still be heated and vote against her (James had been Nicole’s cliff all season and got cut at finale).
An aside: Anyone bitching about pre-existing relationships this year look at season 4 where exes of some house guests were the twist. Look at season 5 where secret family members were the twist for SOME of the house guests (including a half sister/brother relationship where she didn’t know he existed and the first twin twist). Look at season 6 where everyone walked in with a secret pairing. It was common practice in the early seasons. Look at 18 where paulie and nicole had the added cushion of knowing they would each be on for the season, Nicole having spent time with paulie’s family on multiple occasions had a pre-existing relationship that helped her in the game with alliances and jury. NOW we are outraged? Now our outrage gets production to downplay all existing ties except the one announced on the first episode? THAT was by design. The other seasons had one thing in common: all pre-existing relationships were KNOWN to viewers by the end of the premiere. This year they live beta tested to see how viewers would respond and ditched or downplayed the reveals later. Bam-frickin-boozled.
He should have lost tons of points/votes for all the cheating production covered up/glossed over. The eating all day everyday while on slop, among other things.
Let’s remember: Jackson was ON THE BLOCK at the time he cheated in have not. Season 8: Jen receives a penalty vote for eating while on slop. Season 19: Matt receives a penalty vote for eating while on slop. Season 21: they have a individually timed veto that Kat later says she won the comp but doesn’t get the veto, while Jackson gets the veto where his video footage and total time don’t add up.
I have a feeling they went easy on Jackson because of the eating disorder he mentioned having. I think that’s also why Have Nots only last two weeks this season. As soon as Jackson was eligible to be a Have Not again, it was over. Not saying I agree or disagree with the decision or think they should have gone easy on him. I’m just giving a possible theory as to why nothing was done to him – CBS avoiding bad publicity for “punishing” someone with an eating disorder.
What is his eating disorder and if he has a medical issue that prevents him from participating in the aspects of BB why was he cast?
Here’s my problem: Jackson says a lot of things to skirt taking responsibility. He says the only reason he was getting negative press is because of Christie, not because of things he said or did. He says he’s in law school. Other house guests on feeds have said he took a couple law courses, but he isn’t in law school because he never graduated from his undergrad.
What proof do we have he has had an eating disorder, given that he admits to having falsified his medical evaluation by failing to disclose factors that would have disqualified him (such as his drug habit).
By the way, BBCAN put Nikki Grahame in the house. And made her a have not. There have been other house guests in recovery from eating disorders on big brother. They also completed Have nots. Some for multiple weeks. They have medical and psych services on call. No. they didn’t give him an easier time because of an eating disorder. They’d already started coddling him before that.
Does Cliff know he’s a goner now?
Jackson deserves to win this he has played the best game cliff deserves to go home
Jackson is a racist moron. I hope he dont win.
Actually from your screen name and post it is pretty easy to see who the real moron is here.
How is he racist?
He’s not racist lol. I swear it’s a term people LOVE to throw around when they have nothing real to say. There was no racism on this show at all this season
And of course there’s *crickets*.
Sorry but there was racism on the show! Jack and jackson both called david the n word clear as day and more than once. I dont have feeds anymore but go on utube and put in jackson calling david n word and u will hear it! They were in the kitchen talking abt david and both said it. Jackson’s u have to really listen cuz he tries to say it low key…
LOTS of receipts……especially with Cliff, Jackson, and Aquadouche
Gee, do you think Cliff will be upset when he gets blindsided next week? Hopefully, we get a true blindside – we haven’t had one of those this year yet.
I’ve been saying for 2 weeks cliff and nicole are sharing half a brain. They should have evicted jackson the last 2 opportunities, cliff is gone this week, and regardless of whose sitting next to jackson, like him or not hes getting the votes to win.
They didn’t have the opportunity
when they booted Tommy???
They had the chance to boot Holly or Tommy last eviction. Jackson was HOH.
They had the chance and the double to split them up and then last week too!!! Both deserve to go….idiots
Yup. Cliff and Nicole screwed up their games when they didn’t evict Jackson in the double eviction. I reluctantly watched this season but I will definitely pass on this show next year. Whether the game is staged or these houseguests really are that stupid, it’s not an enjoyable show to watch. And CBS continues to cast the worst people and protect them.
Jackson stayed up on that wall on his last HOH to keep Holly, Nicole and Cliff safe. When Nicole fell, he knew he had to win it to keep all 4 of them safe. That wasn’t the HOH to win, but he did it for the 4. And he kept his word to Tommy by not putting him up. So I get his anger over C&N considering keeping Tommy. Like him or not, he’s played the best game of the 4 of them.
I don’t think it’s going to come as such a shock to Nicole when Cliff is evicted. She’s said she wouldn’t have honored that last HOH like Holly. (That’s Holly’s nightmare to live with)
And Cliff should leave that house with his head held high. When was the last time someone his age made it to the final 4?
Yep…and I think Nicole knows who Michie is going to evict, She just doesn’t like confrontations or seeing people get their feelings hurt.
Seriously. They couldn’t see that Jackson was going to annihilate them? What a huge blunder to not get rid of Holly. Cliff and Nicole deserve to lose. Jackson would never get rid of Holly.
Shoot!! Sure was hoping Nicole would win!! Cliff agreed to evict whoever Nicole wanted to. That was going to be Michie. I believe Cliff would have honored that agreement because it was with Nicole. Cliff is now going to realize he has been played by Michie when he is evicted. The only hope there is now is for Nicole and Michie to face off in the final HOH, Nicole wins, and takes Holly to final 2. If that doesn’t happen, Michie wins $500,000, Holly wins second place for the $50,000, and for my own personal preference, Nicole wins America’s Favorite Player for $25,000. I know this is from another show, but it really fits this game between Cliff and Michie. Michie outwitted, out lasted, and out played Cliff.
Michie outwitted, outlasted and outplayed the whole house. He deserves to win if he makes it to the final 2. The game isn’t over yet.
On a compition level, yes he should win. But, on his social game, he played horrible!! I do agree that if he is in the final two, he will win. Him and Holly will eventually break up, Cliff will realize that he made a huge mistake, and Nicole will realize that her so called brother/sister relationship she had with Michie was a farce. For awhile I thought Michie had a little crush on Nicole, but the way he has been saying and doing things behind her back, is such a mean and douchy thing. Yes, she was going to go back on her word, but she was actually playing a game in such a way that would not be malicious. Michie played maliciously just to save a girl that he is just using for you know what.
You could be right but wasn’t it Nicole that first decided to break their final 4 agreement? She brought it up to Cliff first. Then she said their final 4 agreement was only for 1 week which expired. Then when Holly was talking to her just before the vote Nicole just sat there stone faced and said she was weighing her options. If anyone else did all that would they be considered malicious? All of that being said I’m pretty sure that Nicole was being malicious. Nicole is a sweet girl but when push comes to shove I wouldn’t underestimate her. And that ok because she shouldn’t be a pushover.
His social game was horrible and he played a personal game. He wanted to be surrounded by minions. When Jack and Christie confronted Jackson about his lies, Jackson dropped his alliance. When Cliff and Nicole started to have independent thoughts, he dropped them too. He targeted weaklings on his HoHs (except when Tommy was evicted, but that was because the picks were slim). He’s not a smart player, but that doesn’t set him apart from the other morons from this season.
That’s Survivor.
Hope Christy manipulates jury so we have a awfully bitter jury and Jackson loses.
People hate him but that kid deserves to win. If you say otherwise you’re just butthurt.
It’s one thing to win competitions, and it’s another thing to be a disgusting womanizing condescending pig. I believe he is in law school. Fits the bill. He’ll be the perfect BS lawyer.
Try some ice for that butt.
From what was said later, he isn’t in lawschool. he took one or two law classes while at UT. There was also a statement that he hasn’t actually graduated yet.
I think Jackson lies about what his outside world is, just like I don’t believe Cliff the engineer needs this money. I almost married an engineer & his dad was a lawyer. Even his dad admitted to me that his son had more money than he did, but then again dad the lawyer really wanted me to marry his son LOL. I didn’t.
There’s so much more to the game of BB than winning competitions. If Nicole is final two with Jackson she deserves the win.
you’re right. there’s production
Christie hates Michie especially for using her as a pawn repeatedly, so if Tommy relates to her or the other jury members Jackson horrible behavior in the end to sweet adorable fake Tommy, I believe with Christies big mouth, she and Tommy can convince Jack, Sis, Jess, Cliff, to vote for Nicole for the win. All the challenge wins in the world are forgotten & fall on deaf ears when hatefulness enters the scenario. Jurors aren’t as forgiving as they were in earlier seasons if you ask me.
he doesn’t deserve it because the game was set up for him, who else ever got steak every nite wi a full watermelon, & he cheated on slop plus other times, it wasn’t a fair game at all cbs
Maybe this is where CBS will get him for even intimidating them??
Huh?
Don’t worry about it Cliff you made the right decision to get rid of Tommy….. Somewhere Boogie and doctor will are on their finger phones just laughing their butts off
I bet Cliff thinks he is going to win America’s Favorite Player too. Reality check is coming.
Funniest comment! Thanks for the chuckle
Everyone keeps saying that but keeping Tommy would not have made a difference whatsoever.
you keep saying it would have made no difference, so you think individually timed comps are rigged like i do?
J is the last person I wanted to win the VETO! Guess there is still a chance for Nicole but it is now slim. She has to go up against that beast in the 3 part HOH. First part is usually endurance,(all 3 play) second is mental/physical (two losers of first challenge play) and last one (players are winners of #1 & #2) are guessing how the jury HS, appearing on video, would finish their sentence (choice given). Winner of that picks who will sit next to them as F2.
Hey. Everyone.
Come on. Let’s get serious here.
REALLY.
Did any of you SERIOUSLY think someone other than Jackson was going to win that veto?
REALLY?
If they’d played the season 16 stalking the veto final four: most knowledge of events wins.
if they played season 17 martial smarts veto final four: most knowledge of day numbers wins. physical speed required
if the played season 18 cover your bases veto final four: same comp as 17
if they played season 19 back to the veto veto final four: less physical version of 17.
if they played season 20 down to the wires veto final four: they just did that comp when jackson beat nick in veto. competition names in answer to trivia is the difference. must know comp names and events.
HERE IS THE DIFFERENCE THIS YEAR: FINAL FOUR VETO WAS NOT A DAYS COMP. WAS NOT AN EVENTS COMP. it was purely a physical comp. throwing balls at cutouts q/a maybe?
Come on. Like Jackson was not going to win veto and get to the finale hoh given the edit of this season since episode one.
Let’s be serious.
basics to me: season 16-20 were all done at the same time. This year individually timed.
i might be wrong about whether or not trivia involvement was major.
I’m NOT wrong that season 16-20 was not individually timed.
Not one single before or after comp for the season.
Individually timed vetoes more than any other season.
First individually timed final four veto i can see… and so far i’ve gone back as far as season 9. never individually timed. Always all four at same time, first to buzzer with correct answer.
Just throwing that out there because somebody has to.
The last time they competed one at a time in the final four veto was season 5 socket to me. times ranged from 2:13 to 14:27. They stopped doing individual runs after season 5 because fans thought the comp had been rigged. The guy that was like the 1/2 as bright as Jessica wins the game knowledge veto. I remember the letter campaign.
Season 4 was same time whoever gets to top of pyramid first wins.
Season 3 there was no veto. Danielle was hoh.
My confusion with season 5 was i thought the final 4 veto was the final 5 veto. I forgot that Nakomis’ newly discovered half brother cut her at 4th.
Do not care for Jackson but he deserves the win. Hate that Holly will come in second.
I’m not willing to give Jackson the game but Cliff is surely done. Nicole still has my vote.
Nicole is roadkill.
Someone needs to kick him to the curb. One of ithe most despicable creatures. I’d put his victory right up with the red headed witch and derrick. Just so cringeworthy. Ladies get your act together and get him out. Ugh what an ugly victory lap. Bleh
Wow. Nicole offered Jackson the HOH room so him and the Hollster could go do their celebratory sex stool dance for the night, and he turned her down. Now Hollster is maybe thinking…”I screwed him to get this far and now he doesn’t want me? waaaaaaa”
From last week – “Houka Inumuta says: How do you guys feel knowing that i’m going to be right next week when Michie goes? Everyone keeps saying i’m always wrong I can’t wait to say I told you so!!
If I’m wrong (which I won’t) and Michie makes it to top 3 I will eat my words and accept the unlikely defeat.”
I completely forgot Houka’s promise to eat his words!
If it really happens it could make the disappointing, yet expected, Michie veto win worth it.
That and seeing Cliff get his comeuppance for being a moron.
Maybe he choked on them?
LOL! Cliff you stupid moron. You waffled on your HOH, and you waffled by keeping Holly over Tommy. Worst case scenario, he was your meat shield. Talk about shooting yourself in the foot. At the very least Nicole gets AFP. Jackson can only win against Holly. I said it would’nt be a bitter jury, but when it comes to him, it’s gonna be bad. They’ll only give it to him if he’s against Holly. She was nothing but his C##Dumpster all season.
Nicole’s not stupid…she knows that there’s no way Jackson will evict Holly and keep Cliff. They should’ve kept Tommy last week.
What difference would that have made? Jackson would have smilies him in the veto as well.
Guessing how well evicted house guests would have done in a comp they didn’t have a chance to compete in is conjecture. Something we will never know. But I do think someone that was a baseball player before becoming a dancer would have been a bit better than the long island chihuahua and the texas roadkill at that comp. It would have been more of challenge. That’s my bit of conjecture.
It is all conjecture…I fully agree. But we can still engage in it and guess what? I agree with you. lol I think it would have been between Tommy and Michie for that veto. But I do believe the outcome would still be the same, in that Cliff would have been the one leaving this week. There is no way, that if you’re not part of a duo….that you’re going to continue to final 3 WITH a duo. It would have been Nicole, Michie, and Tommy off to final 3…with it coming down to Michie or Tommy battling it out as I think both of them know more about their former allies in jury, than Nicole does. Then, if Michie won…he would take Nicole because he knows Tommy would cream him in the finale…and it would be a tossup on finale, leaning Nicole. If Tommy won…he would have taken Nicole as well and he would have won handily. (all conjecture lol :p)
Playing what if and conjecture is fun. I agree. We just have to remember to bookend our conjecture as speculation we have to argue to support not fact that is a given. I know. I throw conspiracy out there but I acknowledge to everyone it’s tinfoil hat and prediction when I do it (and attempt to support my arguments).
When you’re right, you’re right, and when you’re wrong, you’re wrong lol. Would be fun if they had “alternate endings,” even though I know there’s no way to physically do that.
Why do you think she held out for Holly to take the same deal Tommy offered? She was the hold out, Cliff was the one pushing to keep Holly. She made sure she wasn’t the outside of the triangle. And Holly has whined about that deal since. Nicole was hoping that Cliff was right, but she was pushing to make sure she wasn’t in Cliff’s shoes by holding out.
Nicole is stupid because she should’ve gotten jackson out in the double. Problem is she’s too “mesmerized “ when it comes to Jackson.
Her stupidity comes from:
Nick saying Christie can’t be trusted, Jackson can. truth: neither can be trusted.
Cliff saying I’m scared of Christie and Tommy. truth: he had a deal with jackson.
Those two made her more scared of her than Jackson.
The truth is that Jackson takes Holly or Holly takes Jackson, unless Nicole can win the last challenge. If she goes to the jury, she wins. She was the best towards the end and Tommy should talk about Jackson. He can cry all he wants to. He played good and all’s fair in the BB House, but you have to pay the piper and if he is against Nicole or Holly is against Nicole, they lose. Getting rid of Tommy was the biggest mistake. Whether he knew Christy before or not he was getting her vote.
How the hell is she the best towards the end? Lmao
Good game Cliff. It wouldn’t have mattered if you voted Tommy or Holly out, Michie is too tough to beat in veto comps. Hopefully Nicole or Cliff win AFP if Nicole doesn’t also win the finale.
Yes it would have because Tommy would be sitting next to him on eviction night instead of Holly.
But Jackson would probably wind up keeping tommy to break up the last pair, and also to avenge for Holly’s eviction. It would have only mattered if tommy won veto and stayed with Nicole and cliff, but I think production would have persuaded tommy to evict cliff and keep Jackson.
Agree,,,and it would not have taken much persuasion as NOBODY is going to go to final 3 WITH a duo that they are NOT part of.
But it would have been nice to see Holly out in 5th
Goodnight Cliff. Goodnight Nicole! Goodnight
John Boy!
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Cliff, “While alone Cliff tells Nicole – I trust him” Cliff, Cliff, Cliff, you are so delusional. Don’t you know who he’s been screwing all summer? You blew it dude. If you’d saved Tommy, it would be Tommy he’d vote out but now it will be you. He really thinks he’s Cody.
I’ve said it since Wednesday: Cliff is a buffoon.
You didn’t realize that before Wednesday?
i settled on buffoon on Wednesday. I’ve called him lots of other names mostly suck up, kiss ass, coward, stuff like that. there was an entire low key sexist pig phase, and a low key bigot phase, but i never went all in on those assigning them to carryover of outdated zeitgeist cultural socialization (he had a little bit of a soft spoken archie bunker to him for a while). Buffoon just encapsulated a big brother mega fan that pushed to keep a showmance together for final 4. that was the buffoon cement. That started gearing up just after the Wednesday episode when Cliff was puckering at the slightest mention of a final 2 from Jackson. Long before the lie.
Rip Off The Band Aid
I hope we don’t have to suffer Jackson stringing along Cliff until Veto Ceremony.
There is no need to be cruel.
Do we really need a Cliffie Three Fingers pity party until Thursday? Let him delude himself until Julie gives him the good news.
oh no. tell me he’s not doing the two in the pink one in the stink hand gesture again. shudder. His game definitely has the one in the stink part right.
Jackson just might use the veto on Holly n let her be the sole vote to get Cliff out I can see him doing that n it would be hilarious if he did do that n Holly voted him out now that would be awesome tv but nobody could be that stupid right!? Bye Cliff
Proud of Jackson. Don’t hate the player…. 🙂
Why can’t I hate the player? That makes no sense. lol. Of course i can hate the player. I’m a big brother watcher all we do is hate the players.
this sucks. odds aren’t in nicole’s favor. REALLY hope nicole gets to final 2. I can’t stand jackson, but i can see him winning. Best case scenerio would be if nicole wins. Also why is this season lacking so much jury footage
Took a gamble and lost.
Give the devil his due.
I can’t. A number of us saw this coming and viewed them as not evicting Holly as a crucial mistake
Holly is a number for Jackson, why wouldn’t he want her in jury??? smh
Just a thought…do we think production steps in, convinces Jackson to do the chivalrous thing and use the Veto on Holly (the angle of letting her get the blood on her hands for evicting Cliff would appeal to his sense of game play, IMO), all the while convincing her to pull off a savage blindside and sending Jackson to jury (thereby building her resume should the fourth horseman of the apocalypse appear and she somehow wins the final HOH)?
Production do something against Jackson’s interest?
uh. hmmmmm.
no.
Production will not do anything at all that would in any way shape or form do anything that would upset Jackson.
Wow. Turn on the feeds and see Nicole in bed with jackson and Holly with the veto medal on Jackson’s chest….time to reprogram the DVR, this season just lost my interest. The only thing that would have piqued my interest for the end of the season was the prospect of Jackson being evicted but that possibility is over.
I’m SO glad. Cliff has irritated me since he p***ied out on his HOH.
Game: Jackson should of course take Holly.
d’uh. That’s obvious.
If you have a chance to take the season mattress no majority votes to win, of course you drag it to the end. Even a bitter jury is gonna say but come on, we can’t reward the human blow up doll. We just can’t.
Revisionist justification: Jackson shut up with the whole things might have been different if Cliff didn’t break his word shit. There is not a universe where you were going to cut Holly and take Cliff. Just don’t. Nobody is stupid enough to buy that drivel.
Ohhhh… if they weren’t backstabbers everything would be different. Really fool?
Like he’s cutting the sure thing (in every possible way since day 15/16, not 23 holly, it was 15/16 and it was 18 to 24 hours after he last banged your friend Kat)? Right. Sure. I believe you. Somebody gag him with a matermelon before he keeps saying crap that just makes him sound worse. There was no universe where everything was going to be different. This is spin so he can hope to keep his edit. I’m so tired of edit generated spin crap.
Just like being absolutely giddy about the move that knocked out Tommy until being called to d/r and suddenly coming out and crying about not wanting to be a monster. Spin. Spin for edit. Stop.
Can someone remind me if a showmance has ever made it to final 2?
Big Brother 7
Don’t forget about Jeff & Jordan. I believe that they were in the final 2 of one of the seasons both were part of Big Brother
That was all stars with Boogie, Janelle and Erika F3, how is that a showmance?
Erika and Boogie were showmancing. That’s how.
So I’m watching BBAD & no sight of Cliff. Did he finally realize he’s toast &can’t be with the rest? I like Cliff although think he is stupid to think Holly will be sent home. However, I think it was really unfair to have a competition that Miche was a shoe-in to win.
Jackson has won comps when needed, slept his way to the top with 2 of the house guests, aggressively intimidated women including Holly and Kat (his bed buddies), cried about integrity, honesty and a mans word (only when he felt slighted though, not when he was the one doing it), said degrading things about others on television, treated Holly like shes beneath him by talking down to her, eaten food when he was a have not, been a stingy food hoarder with the other house guests, laughed and participated in being cruel to Nicole and locking her out of the room hoh room while joining in a group bully pow wow and yes what was done to Nicole was a form of bullying. It made her feel uncomfortable and ganged up on so that is bullying, made final 2’s with multiple people, drank milk out of the carton and put it back in the fridge, talked about his multiple sex partners outside the house on television, took Jacks cumcumber into the bathroom with him to pee (he was supposed to go wash it but instead took it to the toilet) and then gave it back to him, brags on himself like no other and does not know how to win graciously, and lets not forget how many cues from Production he has received to help him try to clean up his image through out the game … I really dont think anyone can say Jackson played a great game. If the rumors are true about him knowing Holly outside the house as well as Holly knowing Kat… Production really screwed up this season… Jackson may win because of comps but, as far as his social game.. that was a terrible show of game play and as far as separating game from outside of the house… the things I listed above that he did mostly show you what his character outside of the house really is… it has nothing to do with his “game play”. It has to do with him having a bad moral and ethical character and he cant hide who he really is when he’s on film 24/7. He’s an ass. He was raised that way or someone in his home set that sort of example for him. Either way, its too late to fix it. It makes me sick to reward someone that kind of money for that kind of behavior. I can only hope he gets served a healthy helping of TOO BAD DOO DAD on finally night and gets 3rd. Im not bitter.. Im just disgusted. It isnt the first season I’ve felt this way, and Im sure it wont be last because I’ve watched every season from the beginning. I blame Grodner for this crap.
Agree on all points. Makes you want to shower OH NO not shower. Cringe
Holly: “you three were who I was instantly drawn too.” What? Really?? She must’ve forgotten all of the sh!tty things she said about Nicole and how she wanted her gone during her HOH.
SO over her fakeness.
Holly has kissed everyone of the guest butt as they went out the door to jury.
Can anyone tell me why Jackson has taken over the HOH room when Nicole is HOH?
He offered it to Nicole for the week last week because he’d been sleeping there for 3 weeks already and Nicole didn’t get it for her hoh on double night. He took it back when she wasn’t deferring to his orders and questioned who to evict. To punish her for her lack of respect to his authority.
At present he and Holly believe it should have been hers anyway because Holly shouldn’t have had to make a deal to stay when Jackson as HOH had made it clear Tommy was to be the target.
After veto Nicole offered it to Jackson for the night to celebrate winning veto.
It is as I predicted. Bye Cliff. You give people who come from Texas a bad name. Nicole on Big Brother After Dark seems light hearted and not really thinking about the final. Jackson seems focused. Holly is a bit emotional and worried about how she played the game. Holly and Nicole were carried to the final three by Jackson. Some people are just followers.
No Holly paid for her trip to the final 2 by being Michie’s sex toy, doormat, maid, cook, etc. You think Holly’s self worth has been bad in the past, she will definately feel worthless when Michie dumps her after the show.
aw. Beth is going to be crabby.
more crabby. they make a cream for that.
Bye Cliff! You were a spineless dope who tanked your partners games just so you could potentially be final two. My prediction is that Holly wins the first round which will be endurance.
I still hope Nicole somehow wins out and has Holly sitting next to her.
I still have hope that in HOH part 2 Nicole wins the mental comp and in part 3 beats jackson and takes him out on live tv
In a physical competition Jackson beat an old fat man, a little girl, and an asthmatic s@x doll; good for him.
and it wasn’t even run head to head, so he didn’t have that anxiety of having to actually face them.
I hope it is Nicole and Jackson in the final two and everyone in the jury votes for Nicole because this whole show has been catered to him and the bb fans are sick of it. He’s not a fan favorite so why let him win. I would sure like to talk to jury members after the show is over and see how production had them vote.
Oh Nicole, Nicole, Nicole…you are so misconstruing Michie’s sudden brotherly affection towards you! The “pompous douch bag” is a master manipulator who is buttering you up in the event you have to choose between him or Holly on finale night! Even if you chose Holly, she would turn to Michie for permission…then she’d have a break down and beg Nicole to take him instead!
I predict Michie will invest his $500,000 in watermelons and be broke in 6 months!
Nicole is not that bad at this game, at between 4 & 4:30 this morning she was doing the dishes and admitting that Cliff wasnt going to be there for the end, so she knows….Cliff not so much. She was saying she just hopes they tell Cliff before eviction night, so he doesn’t look so broken on live tv
Please…Bring on Survivor!!,
yeah boston rob is going to mentor along with whats her name lol
Sandra
My take and thoughts. I hope Nicole wins for many reasons. One thing, she has never wavered on taking Cliff with her to a final 2. She has also made some great HOH nominations compared to other HOHs choices.
As to Cliff, his HOH was a disaster, and as much as a fan he was and says, he couldn’t pull it off, rather be manipulated by Christie half his age (makes me wonder how successful he really is in real world as he said, he’s in sales). Compared to Nicole and taking Cliff to final 3 or 2, Cliff makes deals only for himself. I see his “Cliff notes” as playing to the camera and audience so to get votes as America’s favorite. His comment in “spoilers” not being able to trust anyone after being in the house, makes me wonder how many after seeing him in the house, will be able to trust him ever. His remark from way earlier times, were he made the remark he could put being on BB on his “resume”. Are you serious Cliff? That would make you more hirable? Leaving your job to be on BB, then adding the experience to a resume???
As to Mitchie, many and including myself, dislike him for many reasons, but have to give credit to his wins, HOH, POVs. Also to his ability, like it or not, to have Tommy evicted.
As to Holly, she has floated many times shielded by Mitch. She has freely given herself, using sex to possible get were she is now. As to Jessie’s like, like, like’s, Holly’s constant obsessions with her make up, and sex sessions, shows she’s a very insecure person and does need some serious help.
Time for CBS to split the franchise up so as to not overload mental health professionals every year. They can have Big Brother with Julie, and Little Sister with PeeWee Herman.
Little Sister, where the contestants are not allowed to lie, form alliances, win competitions or cause another house guest to cry. Although I’ve no doubt that even a format like that would still cause some people to loose it…”He colored outside the line, he colored outside the line!”
I said earlier, I don’t have much sympathy for anyone who would go on a reality show; they’re opening themselves up to far worse than some foaming at the mouth fans will accuse them of. I do draw the line when crazy fans take it outside to their livelihoods and the threatening their families.
At the same time, I don’t have all the much sympathy for viewers who go totally off the rails themselves. You are watching Big Brother; it is a modern gladiatorial challenge where they’re not just allowed, but encouraged, to do anything and everything short of eviscerating an opponent. Every year there will be assholes and every year there will be people to like and odds are the one you like will get taken out.
Enjoy the pseudo-game, cheer for the players of your choice, boo and make jokes about the players you dislike, but some folks really need to dial back their anger a tad bit. Many of the things that are being said, every year, are far worse than anything any of the contestants come close to doing…except for maybe EvelDick.
Damn folks, chill or watch The Great Bake Show. (On second thought, no…that show has competitors who are also trying to win within the framework of the contest.)
:p
Have you been hacked?
I mean, i’ve giggled along at your absolute disdainful commentary of Tommy for quite some time.
Suddenly it’s chill out?
What’s up?
hehe. people are moody. i’m guilty.
They should have gotten rid of Jackson when he was up against Jack. Jack wasn’t winning any comps and Jackson was. I don’t like either for the win, but there would have been more chances to get Jack out whereas Jackson keeps winning to save himself.
And the Crowd says “We told you so!”. Is Cliff still under the delusion that he is in the final 3?
There were three decisions made in the last few days that could have resulted in an “we told you so” moment. There is this one of course.
There is also the as yet to be resolved situation of the Tommy-Crusty relationship. If Tommy, also a strong player, had been kept and made it through to F2 he would have won and some folks would be saying “we told you so”. At this time we still don’t know whether the jury knows and whether they will ever be allowed to know; which means the ever persuasive Crusty and her little flying monkey might still have excessive influence with a jury of not so intelligent house guests.
There is also the decision by Holly to “keep her word” and throw the HoH to Nicole. Had Nicole or Cliff…okay, pardon me…had Nicole won POV the decision to throw the HoH to Nicole would have been a “we told you so” moment.
Wow, what a season. I can’t stand three of the remaining four players, obviously I am rooting for Nicole and I do have to admit that Jackson has played his ass of the past month even though I can’t stand the guy. The best part of this week though will be seeing Cliff walk out the door on eviction night. This guy’s game is a complete joke. He has completely botched this past week with his inept decision making. He deserves to walk out those doors this week and I am happy to see it. I never thought this season I would ever root for Jackson but I am very happy to see him take out Cliff. Cliff thought he was so smart and cunning, what a joke. Cant wait to see this clown’s face when he finds out Jackson is voting him out. How clueless can you possibly be Cliff? You really though Jackson was going to cut his showmance over you? That is comical! Bye Cliff, hope to never see you again. You suck!
Cliff may be down but he’s not totally out of the game yet. I expect he’s going to spend his remaining days in the house working it hard for AFP. He will magnanimously accept his fate, play up his fatherly image with Nicole (whom he intended to use for traction) and will wax sagely to the viewers.
Trying to decide who I will vote for AFP; just know it won’t be Cliff
I despise Jackson, but his Tommy move was massive and he deserves to win. Nicole had the power in her grasp to set up her and Cliff and squandered it. How stupid. Well played Jackson. No need for me to watch the rest of the season.
Stop blaming Nicole. Those deals were all asswad Cliffs and she wasn’t informed until after the fact.
As a loyal day one bb fan. It’s hurts to watch season after season seeing players play and vote out of spite. Paul should be a champ, the young people today are sensitive lil twits. With that said, gameplay wise, Christie was a good manipulator, cliff and Nicole, lovable floaters. Michie has been the beast of comps. There has been no evil dick, no dr will, no derrick and no Paul of the season. So as it stands, if Michie goes final two and doesn’t win, big brother is complete bs and isn’t what it was meant to be.
You are a true fan of the game, whereas most viewers are fans of specific house guests; I’m a mixture of both.
The only exception I take with what you said is in reference to Paul. While I agree he was robbed, and I will admit that I thoroughly enjoyed the look on his face when he realized his arch-enemy would seal his loss, it was his second shot at it. I really don’t like them given certain players second shots; do it in one or don’t do it.
great moment. cherry on top was mr. nickson as AFH.
LOL! Pathetic on Paul not winning, since the whole concept, advantages were designed by BBs to have Paul win (probable written into his contract, you will win Paul). But, to CBSs dismay, the jury wouldn’t and did not follow the script. Imagine, a pot banging loud mouth beat Paul. I still remember when Christmas leg in a cast, and she was not allowed to play in physical games, but somehow in one she was allowed because everyone dropped down so she could roll to victory. That was bad. Also everyone of the cast was setting up and working for Paul to win, none really tried. The look on Paul’s face when he didn’t win, was priceless.
With Josh doing his Crusty impersonation…
I was for Paul his 1 st season and for most the 2nd, until he got outright hateful. I don’t like mean.
Same.
no worries, jackson’s winning. big brother will still be bs though.
Sounds like they had a comp again to suit Jackson.
He more than likely created it.
By Cliff you should have evicted holey instead of tommy
Wonder if Julie will beat Cliff over the head with her cue cards, just like she did with Marcellas?
Alright, anyone want to talk about the biggest airhead in the house (equal to or slightly more than to Cliff)? Holly. That 30lbs of makeup she puts on 4 times a day has seeped to her brain. She would rather go F2 with her literal ride or die than to get him out and hope that she has scored some Jury points? She’s all “meemaws here for ya son, I will keep on mounting you, taking your abusive behavior (while throwing my own passive aggressive behavior back at you-but oh I wonder what my edit is or people think of me), and I will defend you to the end while throwing away half a million so you can win it and blow it like a little 24 year old would (trips to Vegas etc). But I will gladly take 2nd to you my watermelon love bug, cuz if I do maybe just maybe we will be more then just occassional travel buddies outside here, cuz I did say I love you in front of cameras even though you have never said it back. So go forth my lad and win it all.” Flaming airhead, sex doll idiot.
Holly doesn’t chose who to take, Jackson does. Jackson would never pull a Marcellas and use the veto on Holly.
Well it has been a disappointing season for sure! I am most disappointed for Nicole in that she stopped listening to her gut and was too protective of Cliff and willing to lean in to his thinking which is terrible (in bb you can’t trust your opponents especially when you are given clues about their character (pompous douchebag and his buzzard sloppy seconds) Hate to say he is a fool, but is a fool. He was fooled by the mean group (they made fun and laughed behind his back) and he did what they wanted anyway) that is the disappointment. He is a longtime fan and feed watcher and he played so badly…as Nicole would say Wow…wow wow! Unfortunately he took Nicole down with him which is the most disappointing aspect! Nicole most importantly did not want to get fooled and Jackson fooled her thanks to Cliffs (wisdom) and her willingness to go along with it, The bb house is not the time to try learning to trust! She will kick herself when she watches back. Her (straight shooting and trusting her gut) weakened as her loyalty to Cliff increased! Jackson~I mean evil pompous douchebag~will ride into the sunset with his equally pompous women with their so called morals intact! In their deluded perceptions of themselves that is, but it will not bother them in the least! Nicole impressed me all season she is a decent player and person who will leave with a wealth of knowledge about herself! She in all likelihood will not go home with the money but she will take home a greater understanding of her fellow humans She has her integrity and family bond which is worth more than 500,000! The experience will only strengthen her as for Holly she is still a lost soul as Cliff would say! Pompous douchebag will be fine there are so many more conquests in his future! Watch for him on “The Challenge.” Hopefully Cliff will go home and grow a pair and find his strength at least his family loves him! That’s it for me I will watch the remaining shows and most likely be back next season….But please can we get good players next year that are more watchable for our summer fun!
Love how Cliff is all about the handshakes now.
Hey, Cliff has told us repeatedly that he is a man of his word…
…and his word is “bull$hit”.
Sad thing is Jackson is going to feel guilty about getting rid of Cliff. And Cliff will probably make him feel worse. He would really need to take a look in the mirror since he was going to null and void his handshake to go to final 4 together. He kept saying “it’s a game”. We will see how he reacts. I just don’t get how he can be such a dunce. He does look tired as hell. I think he’s a nice man but he is way out of his element.
down in the south you know, that’s all they need–what a bunch of hooey. Jackson misted him big time.
Long time BB fan (US and Can), long time coming to OBB for updates and reading comments but don’t comment much myself. Every year people say this is the worst cast, and each year the cast gets worse and worse. I believe the best BB players that deserve the 500K have the best social games. F*ck competitions. You should be able to lose a comp but stay in the game by manipulation and convincing the other players you’re best for their game. One of my fav winners was Paras last year (BBCan) since she was good in everyones books, played with integrity and was still able to make it to final 2 without winning anything until the end. and who was she up against? Kaela who won TONS of comps but burned EVERY bridge to get there. She used her showmance (a lot like Holly/Michie) to win back-to-back comps but got lost in the “love” (like Holly/Michie) which completely hindered her social game and the Jury voted with Paras because she wasn’t a complete twat to everyone. Nicole is no Paras but I’d still rather her win over either of the couple since they are just awful people. Michie is just muscle and honestly Holly is too. Unfortunately with the Jury we have I can still see either of them winning over Nicole since she didn’t quiiiite have a hold on the Jury as much as Paras did (since most of them were in a alliance with the couple and never associated much with Nicole). I would have loved to see other players win more HOH’s and not just the couple, made for a VERY boring second half of the season. Kat is still my favourite player, probably one of my all-time favs since she was smart, manipulative, funny, sincere and just awesome to watch. *sigh* Kat for AFP all the way.
Is there any chance that Jackson takes Holly off the block instead of himself?
And, given that scenario, is there any chance that Holly evicts Jackson instead of Cliff?
I think first scenario is very possible, and I would LOVE Holly evicting Jackson, realizing that it’s best resume-building move she can make. While he’d be devastated, I feel like Jackson would ultimately respect the “game move” and I don’t think Holly would lose him as a jury vote, and would end up gaining several in the process.
This very issue was discussed by J/H. He asked whether she wanted the honor of voting out Cliff, and told her that he had no problem doing so himself otherwise. THEN Michie added that he knew that gave Holly the opportunity to vote him out, to which she replied: “I would never do that in a million years.” What I found interesting, though, was that she never answered Michie about whether she wanted him to take her off the block!
Yeah, we’ll see. I think Michie ends up taking Holly off the block so he doesn’t break his word to Cliff, but I think both Nicole and Holly would have Cliff’s vote over Michie anyway, so Michie is fighting a losing battle trying to salvage Cliff’s vote.
Not sure why my scenario is getting so many downvotes. I think it’d be a great TV moment if Holly took the shot at Michie if given the opportunity. I’m not a Holly fan…just a fan of hilarious BB surprises.
Cliff lost the game when he told Jackson that Nicole wanted to keep Tommy. He was trying to spin it that he had to honor his final two with Nicole but he still wanted Jackson to honor his final three with Cliff. It might have worked if he would have waited until after they actually evicted Holly.
He was never evicting Holly…deal or no deal please
Would love to see Jackson win part 1 ,then Holly win part 2.
if i’m a bettin’ man, that’s my guess on what will happen.
Let’s be clear: Tommy leaving was ultimately better for everyone’s end game and did not kill Cliff’s game. Cliff hurt Cliff’s game by 1) not winning the most important comp of the season (the veto) and 2) getting squirrelly the last two weeks with waffling on his deals. Those were two things he could control — how Tommy would have played he could not.
In crunch time, Nicole has stepped up — Cliff has not.
So here is how it plays out:
Cliff: Evicted this week.
Michie: Wins first comp of F3. Stays up all night helping Holly prepare for 2nd comp.
Nicole: Must win 2nd comp to have a chance. Lose 2nd comp and she is jury bound.
Holly is a lock for F2 regardless — they both take her. I would not be surprised if Nicole openly talks about it to get Holly to throw it.
I think Michie banks Nick and Holly (vs Nicole)/Nicole & Cliff (vs Holly) on jury. I think Holly banks Michie and Kat. Nicole can bank Cliff and Jess.
No matter who he is with, I think Michie goes into F2 with at least 4 votes in bank AGAINST him: Tommy, Sis, Jess and Kat.
Wildcards: Christie and Jack could go either way in all scenarios. One of them should be the final vote cast. Less important, Sis and Tommy also in question in a Nicole/Holly F2.
Despite how crappy this cast is, this will be an interesting F3. I think Nicole wins if she is in F2, but has hardest path to get there.
Michie deserves to win if he goes against Holly but needs BOTH Christie and Jack to vote his way.
You might be on the money but I see the jury votes very differently.
Nicole doesn’t have Jess for sure b/c she’s still in her delusional head thinking Nicole is the reason her game was ruined. Nicole was the one person who truly tried to help Jess but as we witnessed all season Jess was so enamored with Christie she ate up every lie dished to her. In truth – Jess was the one who hurt Nicole’s game by running around saying Nicole was playing on people’s sympathy & faking being upset. THAT was NOT a good look for Jess (or all her blunders). It still boggles my mind no one told Jess that Christie/Sis biggest pre-veto speech was to put up Jess instead & vote her out. Nor is she aware of how much Cliff repeatedly buried her to Holly/Michie. Those items will likely be disclosed prior to the vote which would allow for Jess to potentially forgive & “reward”.
I do think Nicole has Nick, Cliff, Tommy & Christie on lock (regardless of who she sat beside) and possibly Jess due to the Christie factor. Tommy’s post eviction comments spoke glowingly of Nicole especially b/c she tried to save him & b/c for the first time in the game Tommy had empathy for how hard it was for her to navigate this season without a large alliance like he had. The same empathy isn’t extended to Cliff b/c Tommy is all too aware of how Cliff buried his allies to push himself ahead.
As for the other jurors: Much will depend on how bitter they are —- if there is no re-do & Cliff joins the jury he’ll go OUT OF HIS WAY to bury Jackson as will Tommy regarding comments Holly/Jackson made about Christie. Given those dynamics I’d say if Nicole reaches a F2 chair against either of the duo she wins (closer against Michie – land slide vs. Holly). Kat will vote Holly regardless and, we know the showmance will vote for each other.
In the other scenario (Jackson/Holly) with no jury footage it’s hard to know which way Jack and Sis will lean although it’s conceivable Jack will want to reward his Day 1 F2 partner & Sis will go along out of loyalty. Which summons the big question does Holly have a shot in hell of beating Jackson (and would it ONLY be due to bitterness?). At least five will be bitter jurors: Christie/Tommy/Sis/Jack/Cliff. Will they want to reward a “FULL” game or one which was less offensive? Tommy sure wasn’t that enamored with Holly’s play the last week which could cost her his vote.
I see the jury broken into trio’s and an option where they decide to make the vote close with Christie/Tommy/Jess voting one way while Jack/Sis/Nick vote the other. That leaves Kat, Cliff and in the Holly/Jackson F2 scenario with Nicole as the last voter.
If this occurred Holly would be up 4-3 (with Kat) leaving just Nicole and Cliff to vote. The thing is EVEN if Nicole is disgusted by the turn of events I still think she votes Jackson so it could ultimately come down to Cliff’s vote that determines the winner – oh the irony. Would Mr. Hogg vote as the fan he claims to be and reward Jackson? OR would he throw a bitter vote to Holly?
That’s me spit balling b/c the truth is I can’t imagine ANY of the jurors (other than Kat) leaning toward rewarding Holly but stranger things have happened by embittered jurors.
I’ll still be hoping it’s a moot point with Nicole being in one of those two chairs. Some may not feel her game wasn’t as well developed or manufactured as Jackson’s but if she gets to a F2 chair she’ll have had to outplay the comp master down the stretch which in my mind will garner her extra merit.
Holly winning for me would serve as a reminder of how much this season sucked initially & IMHO she would be the worst of the trio to claim the prize. I’m not a big fan of Jackson’s actions (or the assistance he so clearly got from TPTB). That said, he did what was necessary to stay in the game so he’s earned his right at the title even if my preference is Nicole.
Simson or Dawg any idea what Cliff is meaning when he gives out those call numbers when he leaves the diary room ?
I’m not totally sure …I think it’s his wife’s social media account.
sdk are wife and kids initials.
143 is old beeper / pager code. for I love you.
It’s his wife’s initials and 143 is “I love you” from the old days when we had pagers…lol
OH MAN… I was way off lol!
His wife and kids are the letters, 123 means i love you
I had to google it cause I wasn’t sure. It’s his wife & kids first initial & 143 is I love you from back in the day of beepers.
ahh man. makes me wonder if cliff was as ferocious as my sister was back in the day with pager alphanumerics. she’d pick up the phone, punch in hundreds of numbers, then hang up. rinse & repeat.
So —– is there ANY CHANCE the Powers That Be are just stringing us along & will have the early eviction for Monday – Jackson votes out Cliff to the shock/surprise of N/C & as he goes to open the door the bells/whistles go off & they announce it’s a re-do fast forward week.
THEN the F4 HOH and F4 POV are all date related with Nicole & Cliff winning both and evicting Jackson.
I’ve been saying it for 2 weeks that these extra days just didn’t make sense & in truth Cliff does deserve to be ousted not just b/c of his naivete but b/c he buried Nicole repeatedly to help his own cause.
I’m just saying it won’t surprise me if a re-do occurs and in the above scenario it also would align Nicole with the best shot to win b/c it was Cliff who forced the Tommy vote out & put his faith in Michie. Hard to give someone like that $500k when Jackson will be able to say the ONLY reason Cliff’s there is b/c of the do-over.
He will have already been evicted twice. Give him a third chance? You do realize, that could end up hurting Nicole even more; out in 4th place.
Although seeing the howg evicted three times in one show would be a record.
Nicole knows he’s toast. She’s hoping they will tell Cliff ahead of time and not destroy him on live tv.
The reason I don’t see them pulling a rewind beyond my obvious belief that tptb have spent far too long making a jackson hero edit to jeopardize? Stress. Jackson doesn’t cope well with stress, and they’ve been doing everything in their power since week three to keep him from going apeshit.
“Stress. Jackson doesn’t cope well with stress…”
How many times has his back been against the wall and he’s pulled out a win to save himself? Seems he does quite well with stress…oh, that’s right, production rigged all those competitions for him.
Oh good, you’re back. I was starting to worry somoene had hacked you with your everyone needs to chill out messages once the negtive comments were no longer aimed at people you dislike, and aimed at people you do like.
When Jackson himself says he has been given suggestions on how to alter his behavior so America likes him more.
When Jackson himself says he has been given advanced notice of the field trip and it’s implications as well as some hints and clues so that he wouldn’t react poorly.
When Jackson himself admits: putting on an act for the cameras instead of being himself.
When Jackson himself admits to going to the d/r immediately after the veto to throw a tantrum.
ALL FROM HIS OWN FEED COMMENTS.
No, you’re right, there’s nothing fishy at all going on.
He handles stress like a buddhist monk.
Holly talking to the cameras last night…. going on and on and on about how she resents the fact that she had to drop to keep her morals and she hopes her family is proud of her for keeping her morals by not lying in this game because that is so important to her. How she could have won that comp had she not dropped and it was designed for her to win… it was her comp to win. I have 2 and maybe more than 2 issues with this … First Holly clearly isnt aware that sleeping with jackson on television is a moral issue that should not make her parents proud of her but is clueless to this. 2nd… she can go on and on and on about how she would have won that comp had she not thrown it but we will never know. Had she played it out… it is possible that Nicole might have had the mental drive to hang in there and outlast Holly. It seriously irritates me how clueless This 31 year old woman is about her decisions and how easily she blames every one else for her fate. She is in the situation she is in because of the CHOICES she herself made throughout this game. She chose to screw over her friend and sleep with a guy who had previously slept with her friend hours before her and saw how that affected her friend. She chose to continue in that relationship with Jackson knowing he was capable of treating women that way and even on national television at that… She chose to join the “mean kid” group and participate in mean behavior towards other in the house and talk ill about them unnecessarily behind their backs on a personal level (she and sis and kat and Christy and Tommy, Jackson, Jack , Nick, Bella) all did. She conveniently forgets how when she was hoh she wanted Nicole out. She has repeatedly said her morals have been compromised and wishes she had made other choices when it came to jackson but, allowed him to belittle her make her feel like utter crap and then continued down the same path with him. She wants to be an example for “girls” … PALEASE! She is an example of what not to do! Her moral compass is completely whack and her dumb insistence that she hopes she has made her family proud just shows how screwed up she really is. At 31…. she should know better. Sadly, instead of her family letting her know how utterly screwed her moral compass is, they will tell her how proud of her they are and she will continue down the path of letting herself be used by men or boys in this case and will go on thinking she is a role model for others which is even worse. The best thing that can happen to Holly is to get dumped by jackson immediately, Kat to tell her how hurt she was by her betrayal and voting against her if shes in the finals, her family tell her she embarrassed them with her behavior and that she has no morals and for her to get therapy immediately for her low self esteem followed by some self reflection and inner growth as a person. Its hard to feel sorry for someone who is so self absorbed that they actually think they are perfect in every way when they are truly damaged on all levels. I wish her no ill will. I just absolutely can not support the fact that she thinks and says she is a moral and righteous example for others. smh.
Will Holly be allowed to put you and your life under a microscope and render moral judgement on you also?
Swaggie’s Missing Brow. You have come up with some pretty dumbass replies to posts but I guess this is the dumbest. HOLLY put herself in front of a national audience and did the abhorent things she has done on live tv, so yes people can form opinions of her. Just as they could if Butters Mom went on the show and did things that revolting.
Why thank you wolfie.
I didnt put myself on national television to be judged by others and I actually do have a higher moral compass than Holly on more than one level, I’ve been married to same man for 33 years, I have raised 3 grown kids and I have instilled in them the morals I live by and would be very disappointed in them if they did the things she has. My point is that she is talking about her morals and saying she hopes her family is proud because she is proud of herself and how she has been morally correct in keeping her deal and throwing the comp.. Holly doesnt have a leg to stand on when it comes to judging others… she doesnt understand what morals are. Throwing a comp because you said you would to gain favor as a bargaining tool is not morally righteous in the first place. Following through with it does not make it any better. Having sex with someone on national television is not moral. Betraying your friend is not moral. Being cruel to others is not moral. Lets not even get started on all the ethical issues that also go along with her actions. She is not someone who should be spouting pride about her actions and hoping she is worthy of being a representative of the moral and ethical code and guide for others. Or thinking her actions should make someone proud of her. I am not judging her for her choices as much as I am judging her for not knowing that that her choices make her morally and ethically corrupt therefore should not be saying she has played a moral game.
If butter’s mom went on a reality program with live feeds, preached morals while not practicing good moral judgement do you honestly think Holly wouldn’t toss out a mean girl opinion if she was commenting on a fansite?
If she chooses to go on a tv show that is recorded live 24/7, then yes and she is the one constantly questioning her own morals because she knows they are lacking
Out of all due respect it isn’t anyone’s business who Holly has sex with. What if she didn’t have sex with Jackson or anyone else? Would you still judge her this harshly if she was Jackson’s ride or die strictly friend? Would you still judge her so harshly for making it this far in the game because she was partnered with Jackson? And maybe her parents won’t care. They are from the free love generation after all. She is in her 30’s and it’s her decision. Finally, would you judge her this harshly if you were a fan of Jackson? Just a few things to think about if you choose.
I don’t think you’re asking me, but I openly dislike Jackson. I’d still judge her for riding coat tails in the game. I’d still say she was the mean girl making mean girl comments for most of the game, then preaching.
(totally irrelevant but you brought it up: Her father is an ultra conservative politician and former state legislator that some reports have stated hopes to run again to regain his seat. He’d care about image).
If she hadn’t asked Kat to lie and say there had been no sex between Kat and Jackson if the media asked. Like it hadn’t already been admitted to by both Kat and Jackson on feeds.
If it hadn’t been for the slut shaming Holly herself was leading about Kat during Christie’s HOH (remember the night they watched the HOH screen and commented on how dirty Kat is?)
If she hadn’t lied repeatedly about the day her relationship with Jackson started (it wasn’t day 23 during Nick’s HOH, she and Jackson borrowed the shower during Jack’s HOH almost a week earlier). They started the pre showmance flirtmance while Jackson was still having sex with Kat. Her friend.
I’d personally not be so pissed.
It’s the lying to try to spin events that were on feeds, and thereby attempting to lie to the viewers that gets me started.
Not sorry.
Welcome to Big Brother 21, the Puritan edition. Make the harlot wear a scarlet letter.
I must have pointed out a moral issue that offends your personal values.. guess what… I dont care. It is what it is.
maybe you didnt read my response above before you asked me this question… so in that case, Ill respond to your question. Holly is old enough to make her own choices about what she does or does not do with regards to sex, lying, betraying her friends, throwing comps, hooking up with crappy alliances, allowing herself to be treated poorly in a relationship publicly, going back on her word or not going back on her word… her choices. My problem is her trying to spin it like she has played a moral and ethical game and wanting to be a role model to others. My problem is that she actually thinks she is a moral person. She is not. If my own grown kids went on Big Brother and behaved the way she has, they wouldnt have to speak to the camera and say to me, I hope I havent disappointed you.. I hope you are proud of me because they would know exactly how I felt about their choices and they also would know how they should feel about those choices because they know moral and ethical from unmoral and unethical. It would mean they chose to play dirty to win and that winning came before morality and ethics and that would be their decision. If they made poor choices I would still love them and be there for them but no I would not be proud of their actions. I would be embarrassed. And just to further express this… If I myself went on national television and behaved the way Holly has I know my family would be embarrassed and definitely not proud of me either… . I’d rather Holly just play the game and own her actions without trying to say it was moral game play. I’d feel better knowing that Holly actually knew what morals and ethics are and she clearly doesnt.
I agree. Holly getting on a soapbox about morals when she clearly has none. ??. I’m so over her!
Is it just me thinking that Holly always has an excuse for losing a comp? Not the ones she threw but the rest of them.
I understand where Jackson supporters are coming from citing all the comp wins. I just feel that the BB game is more than comps. Take someone like Nicole who is being strategic, winning comps AND keeps showing us over and over her authentic self.
Have you observed Jackson during one of his tyrant outburst? He is a hot head and a bully who has managed to bulldoze his way through the game. I do give him credit on planning ahead and physical prowess but take lots of points away for womanizing and character.
Jackson just told Nicole he is evicting Cliff & Nicole is saying “I knew it” & taking the blame saying Cliff deserves to be F3 over her (oh if she ONLY KNEW how Cliff has buried her these past few weeks — let’s hope Jackson tells her).
Anyway, Jackson is telling her b/c he’s trying to finagle a way that if Nicole wins the last HOH she takes him instead of Holly. (smart game play?). Jackson is also telling her that it WAS NOT just the Tommy situation as to why he’s not honoring the deal & is about to explain it in more detail to her as I’m typing this. I presume he’ll lay out ALL the side dealing Cliff has been doing to gain Nicole’s trust although anyone who likes Nicole knows this won’t make her feel better.
She tried to go to DR but Jackson STOPPED her to talk upstairs where he proceeds to get quite loud in the discussion and isn’t really letting Nicole speak. She keeps insisting he shouldn’t be evicting Cliff based on last week & that it was ALL HER who wanted to keep Tommy.
Hopefully one of Jackson or Cliff finally tells Nicole how she’s been getting buried by Cliff for weeks & Cliff hopefully finally admits & takes the blame for FORCING HIS PREFERENCE over anything Nicole wanted.
Should be interesting feeds next little while. I’m sad Nicole is defending Cliff & taking all the blame – if only she knew/recognized Cliff forced all these decisions just to protect his own game and never once had her best interest at heart.
Oh – and can someone call out Holly/Jackson for switching/turning on Sis to keep Christie (b/c it was a better offer for them?). Get this house some alcohol so Holly outs the truth to Nicole about the lies,
Can’t say we didn’t see this coming (and Cliff deserves this to happen) BUT I’m also seeing on line that during the competition Jackson apparently was knocking down the wrong people & the PA announcer kept repeating DID NOT, did NOT until jackson got it right so Evil Dick is saying TPTB were complicitly helping Jackson to win.
Still kind of hoping for a re-do just b/c of how fired up Nicole/Cliff would be in that scenario lol
Oh and fwiw —- I wish Nicole would say – Okay Jackson so you only respect loyalty and people who work WITH YOU but not once did you consider Sis, Jess & Nick were ALL better for my game to stay over Christie but YOU MADE that choice for your game & WE were STRONG ARMED into doing what you wanted – so how is that any different than what you are saying about being strong armed EXCEPT we stuck to our word in the end!
I was following that exchange with some live updates and it was interesting. I took three things away from that exchange:
1) Typical discussion style by Jackson, which isn’t that unlike that practices by most of the jury members, only en mass.
2) Following the luxury comp Jackson was upset (this will trigger so beauty comments) that he took the $10k and Cliff needed the money. Now Nicole saying that Cliff “deserves” to be F3 more than her. My take away on that is Cliff has really gotten into their heads.
3) I hope Nicole reconsiders her comments (made several times) that Cliff “deserves” to be F3 more than her. If she keeps that attitude she may be right. Time to put on some big girl panties Nicole.
Thanks for articulating so many valid points. It would not surprise me in the least if Nicole self-evicts–both for Cliff’s sake, and because she reiterated to Jackson about his argument with Tommy involving how easy Nicole will be to beat at the end. Once again, she’s overwhelmed with feeling insignificant and duped. I’m so hurt for her.
TINFOIL HAT CHAT
WHAT IF CONJECTURE SPECULATION
I think Cliff deserves to go for the absolute brainfart of keeping a Showmance in final four. Absolute stupidity.
Is there any way to save Cliff:
WHAT IF:
Cliff tells Jackson go ahead, send me to jury with Christie and Tommy, I’m sure the three of us won’t poison the jury against you. Have you seen season 19? You can send a girl that’s going to vote for you 100% to jury, or you can send me to jury for days to tell everyone your real game. That’s three against you now: think I can get two more people you screwed over? How about Kat? I’m close with Kat she calls me dad. What about Sis? she was pretty mad at you, she threw away a bowl of watermelon. That’s five. Go ahead. Send me and lose.
Production couldn’t exactly stop him from saying that when they had no problem with Jackson saying it as an argument to send Tommy to jury.
IT WON”T HAPPEN. I’m playing what if ism.
well that would be brilliant. we can only hope.
Cliff would never have the gumption or stones to come up with such a plan. As a viewer I would like to see it one of these days. Somebody go to the Overly image conscious season front runner (the front runner is allllways overly image conscious) and say go ahead: i can play hard ball and be your worst nightmare on Jury. Cliff isn’t the guy to do it. He doesn’t have a killer instinct.
Cliff was playing to lose the minute he got back in the house and wusses out on putting up huge targets.
Cliff kissed the butts of the 8 alliance, then the 6. He even blew up the 4 when he didn’t have to. he
He ratted out Nicole many times to the alliance and afterwards Jackson many times.
He made unnecessary stupid deals and comments with conversation that sunk his game every word he spoke.
Just sucks he latched onto Nicole after she weathered the storm of mean girls including Nick n Tommy
I don’t care how Cliff goes. I want him gone since he got back in the house and made stupid non player hide behind people moves.
everybody hates michie, I think the show must be rigged, theres not that many stupid people in this house. keeping him over and over and over again. holly is so crazy also. she might jave a good chance of winning, but not against michie, michie I know your mama is so proud of all your lies, and if she really is proud then…I will never watch big brother again
I watched from the beginning and michie did talk and treat the women bad
I seriously hope i never come across that absolute piece of shit of a person jackson. I would hit that stupid good air breathing motherfucker so hard in the face. Hopefully holly figures out hes is a lying piece of shit.
no need for violence. never a need for violence when it comes to how someone played big brother. Just forget he exists after the season ends.
Hmmmm, the kind of language usually followed by a “Hold muh beer, watch this” and a call for an ambulance and some extensive dental work.
Here’s another brave internet warrior…
Eat, Sleep, Breathe #BB21
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There’s gotta be people out there that hate Jackson so much they would go to his house and beat his ass. I mean his address is online and I would love for him to get what he deserves. ? you might say it’s mean but he deserves everything coming to him outside of this game #bb21
And yet, why do I get the feeling after reading your posts of the past three weeks, if it was lynch mob posting for Tommy or Christie you’d be rolling on the floor with glee and pointing it out as affirmation. The pearl clutching when it’s about Jackson or Holly is cute though.
“…why do I get the feeling after reading your posts of the past three weeks, if it was lynch mob posting for Tommy or Christie…”
Because your grasp of reality is kind of out way there and not very accurate.
I hope Jackson & Holly get hounded the coming year for their entitlement rantings. Both are disgusting, fake people. What goes around comes around. There is game play but not what these two disgusting people do.