Head of Household Winner: Nicole
Nominations are: Jackson & Holly
Power of Veto holder: Jackson
Power of Veto Ceremony:
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12pm – 1pm The house guests are sleeping / lazing around the house. Holly, Nicole and Jackson head to the kitchen to make lunch. They all head out into the backyard to eat.
1:35pm Backyard. Nicole, Holly and Jackson.
Nicole – I appreciate you guys. Jackson – I appreciate you. I do. Holly – I appreciate you too. Jackson – what made you say that? Nicole – I was just thinking. Its very refreshing when people say things and mean them. And I don’t know if I am used to that in my life and I know I’m not used to that in this game. Or rather I don’t expect it. Its refreshing and inspirational. Holly – I am definitely not used to it in my life. Jackson – same. Nicole – Cliff was talking to me a lot about that and being a southern gentleman. The meaning of a handshake and eye contact. Jackson – its something that means a lot to me. And I am unwaveringly loyal to those that are loyal to me but I won’t bed over backwards or go against myself for those that have been loyal for those that haven’t. I will take a bullet for those that have been loyal to me. Why should I!? When you watch this thing back you will see me fully committed to the 8 until Nick and Bella started being sketchy and I started hearing things about them coming after me. That’s when I started going after them. Same thing with our 6.. unwaveringly loyal, until I started hearing things about Christie. And then it was only against Christie and not the six. So then when Christie flipped on me and everyone else flipped on me, I have no loyalty to anybody except for Holly. Nicole – no, I hear you. Jackson – I am a man of my word to those that are loyal to me and when its not reciprocated everything else goes out the window. I am not going to make sacrifices or put in effort or do things for people that would not do it for me. And I love you to death .. more than anything. But I do .. and I hope I can trust you with this and I hope it stays here.. Nicole – oh no, should I be afraid. Jackson – no, but I do want you to know.. Nicole – maybe you shouldn’t drop any bombs that I won’t be able to.. Jackson – okay. Nicole – what say it. Jackson – I was going to say everything in my veto speech tomorrow that I needed to say. I was just going to give you a little heads up. I respect you and love you to much to not let you know. And this is nothing personal. And this stays here because I don’t want it to upset Cliff and I don’t want it to stress him out on top of the current health things that he has going on. The thing is, Holly and I were unwaveringly loyal to y’all and we had a deal to get to the final four. And we knew what we were getting ourselves into going against y’all and y’all knew what you were getting yourself into going against us. Cliff joins them and the conversation ends.
1:47pm HOH room. Jackson and Nicole.
Jackson – this isn’t the big brother that I wanted to play. I came here to be open and honest and loyal to people. And my handshake and my word is rock solid until its not reciprocated and when y’all were going to keep Tommy and then forced us to.. Nicole – I know but I guess I am just frustrated on a game level ..just don’t blow smoke up my a$$, don’t use that as an excuse. Jackson – its not Nicole. Nicole – its more so ..like I know this game too well, I know the logistics of it. Jackson – Nicole, I am going to tell you right now.. Nicole – obviously, its obvious. Jackson – its not! Nicole – don’t use last week as the excuse for this week. And that’s what bothers me because.. Jackson – I am not. Holly kept her word and threw the HOH that she probably could have won. Cliff made me take a deal that said I would .. if I won the veto take him to final three and then he told me down in the kitchen that he loves you but that he would take me to final two but then he changed it the next morning .. I want you to know its not reciprocated. There are a lot of reasons why this is going to happen. Nicole – I am not upset with you and I’m not upset with Holly. This is the nature of the game. I respect the game too but but I think what I am upset about is that I saw it coming and because I saw it coming.. Jackson – but here is the.. Nicole – Cliff is not the one that was questioning voting out Holly. I was! I was the one that said I don’t know about this and Cliff was like no they’re people of their word. I honestly think Holly is the better choice. I said I don’t know Cliff, where I come from people shake your hand while stabbing you. I knew it was going to go this trajectory and if that’s the case I should have given that HOH to Cliff and that’s what I am upset about. Jackson – I do understand. But I do want to voice exactly where I am coming from because this is not a matter of me stabbing people in the back. Nicole – I know, I’m not saying it is. I know this game to well and you don’t need to use that as.. Jackson – its not. I will tell you exactly why. I love you and I’ve always said you’re not a fourth wheel to a tricycle. Nicole – so I am just a third wheel to a bicycle?! This is going to be a great finale night!!! Jackson – no, Nicole. That’s not what I am saying. Nicole – I am such a f**king dumba$$. Jackson – you’re not. Holly and I were not at any point considering going against y’all. And we were told after the veto.. no funny business. Don’t pack your bags, we’re all good and then it turned into y’all were going to take Tommy to final four. And that is for me.. Nicole – because I knew this was going to happen.
Jackson – but it wasn’t going to happen this way. We knew what we were getting into when we agreed to a final 4. Us two, y’all two … we all fight fair and square and whatever happens .. let the best man win. But that all went out the window when deals were retracted and words were broken. We got strong armed into taking a deal that forced me into evicting Holly if I won the HOH and take Cliff to final 3 and then take him to two even though he won’t take me to two. And then you’re going to make Holly throw the veto and then say to her we will give you permission to play but you have to take Cliff to then evict me! And then he will then take you to final 2.
Nicole – I feel bad, I didn’t initiate these deals. Jackson – its not the big brother that I expected Cliff to play and its not the big brother I came here to play but for me the moment I realized that Holly was going to get evicted no holds bard. We will play dirty big brother if we have to. That’s what it came down to and its nothing personal. My word with y’all was unbreakable, Holly’s word was unbreakable and we knew going into the final 4 that y’all two would pick each other and Holly and I would pick each other but it came down to competitions .. whoever won, that’s how it will be and we knew that going into it. Nicole – I guess that’s why I am upset.. Jackson – when we realized that y’all were going to go back on the final 4 deal we’ve had for five weeks.. okay if we have to lie and go back on our word too .. then we will do it. Its not the game that we wanted to play but is the game that we have been forced to play. Do you realize that Cliff is now openly making deals that say I go against Holly, Holly will go against me, he is guaranteeing himself a spot in final 2 and he is expecting it to be handed to him on a platter. Our final four deal that was supposed to be fair and square that y’all went back on that we had to agree to new more extreme and ridiculous deals just to survive and then expect to just hand him a final two with you. Do you get what I am saying!?!? Nicole – Well.. Jackson – its not right! Nicole – I hear what you’re saying. Jackson – and its nothing personal against you but the way this past week has gone on is extremely dirty! Its extremely dirty! And I know for a fact that Cliff is also saying to Holly that he would love to see her in the final three. He is telling me the same things. He is setting himself up for a guaranteed final two on a platter .. and I think he deserves to be in the final three .. but not the Cliff that I’ve seen the past week. Its not the same Cliff. He’s gotten .. he is so well thought out. He does everything with precision and he executes everything flawlessly this whole game. I don’t know if its his exhaustion with the game and he is just fed up and fatigued but the deals that he is making are not Cliff. They are sloppy, they’re messy and they’re dirty. Nicole – I know. Jackson – and that is not the Cliff that I’ve known for the past 80 days. This Cliff is different and that is what makes this so much easier. I love you to much and respect you too much to not give you a heads up as to what is going to happen. And I wanted to explain the reasons why. Its not to go against my word. Its because we were shown that our word was not reciprocated so for that reason mine doesn’t mean anything either. I will say what I have to to survive like y’all did when you were considering taking Tommy. And for me the moment that deal was even considered to be broken that bridge is burned. Does that make sense?! Its a principle thing. Nicole – I respect this game too much. Jackson – this is not a conniving plan that Holly and I have had. You will see this ..Holly and I have committed to y’all two. Cliff would beat us. Nicole – so when you said it was Tommy’s plan to take out Cliff and go with me to final 3 because I am easy to beat that was more so your mentality and Holly think was going to happen. Jackson – no, not at all. Stop making assumptions! You’re doing this again and I don’t want you to say that .. and its not the case at all. You beat Cliff on the ropes. I respect you too much to not let you know. I hope you can appreciate that. I don’t want you to be blindsided. I am going to have this conversation with Cliff but I don’t think today is the right day with his health. Nicole – as a fan of this game .. I see the trajectory and that you and Holly have nicely set up and prepared and its well done. Its very well done. Jackson – this isn’t a master plan. Nicole – its very well done and if and when you two are sitting side by side I can take it on the chin and I will not be bitter. I will look back and be like damn that is really impressive. Jackson – you have a three round HOH that you very well could win. And from that point I don’t know who you would take to final two but this is anyone’s HOH. You are capable of so much more than you give yourself credit for. You smoked us in Comics, you smoked us in the comp the other day, almost smoked us in the comp yesterday. Beat Tommy, Christy and Cliff in the double. I am not blowing smoke. You are a more well rounded player than I am. Nicole – I am the dodo bird that is going to final three with a romantic duo. Jackson – you and Cliff are a duo.. its the same thing.
2:05pm HOH room. Holly joins Jackson and Nicole.
They continue to reiterate the same broken deals over and over again. Nicole – I did not shake your hand when Cliff fell off that rope. I didn’t even look over. Holly – that was my only way of staying in the house because that is what Tommy was offering and that was .. I was about to go out the door. Nicole – my nature is just play the game. Nicole – If you won it, you deserved safety. Holly – if I hadn’t agreed to that you guys would have sent me out though. Jackson – that deal shouldn’t have even happened. We shouldn’t have had to even make new ridiculous deals. Nicole – we thought you guys were going to go back on our deal before it even happened. It was shoot or be shot. Jackson – we weren’t. Tommy is good at what he does. We never wavered on that final four. I just hope we can keep this between us today for his health reasons. Nicole – oh I wish you didn’t tell me. Ignorance is bliss. Holly – lets just have a good day. Jackson – I am going to explain all this to Cliff. Its not an excuse to keep Holly. Nicole – an excuse to keep Holly but.. Holly – I could have saved myself. But it didn’t feel right for me to go back on my word. Nicole – when you said you would throw it .. I didn’t shake your hand. Holly – even after that you still said you were going to keep Tommy. I have no bird, I have not bush. Nicole – we don’t need all these reason and excuses. It makes sense. You’re not really breaking your word because you guys have been working together so much longer. Jackson – I am not about to hand someone the number two spot. Nicole – I guess why I am upset is because the only person I have had is Cliff and he should be there instead of me. I love this game too much. As a person I know that Cliff deserves to be in the final 3 more than me. He was more gungho to get rid of you. It didn’t even cross my mind to throw that HOH to Cliff because I was being selfish. I feel so bad that Cliff was not the one .. I was the one that was saying Tommy said this and that. Where I am from people don’t keep their word. Cliff should have benefited and not me. That’s what is bothering me. Jackson – I understand. Nicole gets called to the diary room.
HOH room. Holly and Jackson.
Holly – Cliff was hesitant too. Jackson – but he was hesitant because of her. Holly – I know. Jackson – and unfortunately she has the key and he doesn’t. I am not sending you home. I would never turn my back on you. Holly – if I had not agreed to those terms and we had fought fair .. I would have the key and you would have won the veto. Jackson – and I would pick between them two. Holly – yup. Jackson – I just couldn’t sit there and listen to her say those things in the backyard and not say something. Holly – I know. Cliff was doing the same thing.. which makes me think they are doing that to make sure we stick to it. Jackson – he is going to unfortunately taking a bullet for Nicole.
3:50pm Hammock. Nicole talking to the cameras – The only person I gave my word to was me. And beside that the only person I meant my word to was Cliff. Aside from that we had an opportunity to take a shot prior to four and I’ll admit I wanted to f**king take it. Who gives a crap! You know what America if you think my word is sh*t and my handshake is sh*t then so be it. You can boo me all you want and throw tomatoes at me all you want but the neck of the woods that I come from which is not the south with southern gentlemen and handshakes and eye contact. I come from the northeast, I come from New York .. and you know what that is kill or be killed. Take a shot before you’re shot. Protect your own before they’re even put at risk.. and that is that. And I would never expect either of them to pick me or Cliff over each other. This would have happened had we kept our word. I don’t need a big speech. If I brought everyone that I said was good, I would have 15 people here in the final two. Do I worry about how that looks to my character.. no! Its a game!
4:02pm HOH room. Cliff and Nicole.
Cliff – how are you doing? Nicole – not good. I have to talk to you. Its really bad. Cliff – they’re thinking about flipping. Nicole nods yeah. Cliff – okay. Nicole – and they don’t want me to tell you. Michie is giving a speech tomorrow at veto about his word means something and his handshake means something and we didn’t reciprocate that. Cliff – its okay. Nicole, its okay. Nicole – you walked inside and Michie was like this will be the final 3. And I am not mad at him .. he won the veto do what you want. I don’t expect him not to take Holly and I don’t expect Holly not to take him. What I am more infuriated about is that someone is saying hey guys this is what is happening. And I don’t respect the fact that he sat here because I was upset and said I am a man of my word, I am a man of my handshake, that means something to me. And you guys went against that. None of this would have happened if you hadn’t done that. And we not gone against that this still would have been the final four. I am upset. I am done. Cliff – Its okay. I’ve said that if I was to advance I needed to win competitions. I get what he is saying, I disagree a little bit in that we made further agreements after that. Cliff – we didn’t do it. Nicole – but we considered it. Cliff – because we were getting information that suggested that words had already been broken. You know that I made that promise to Michie that I would take him even though that would jeopardize both of our games. I said that I was going to do it because I felt like I had to honor my word. If he is not going to honor his side of it there is nothing I can do about it .. and its okay. Nicole – I don’t need excuses and justifications .. just say what you’re going to do. Cliff – are you okay if I go down and say look you put Nicole in a bad position I don’t know what is going on can we just talk about it reasonably? Nicole – I don’t know, Michie said he wanted to keep this between us because you’re not feeling well. Nicole – its a frickin game .. I applaud they way they played. He said this is all happening because of what you did. No its not, its because we’re four and have to go to three. Cliff – I get what they’re saying it should have just been four without extra agreements. Its okay, its alright. If I go out fourth, its okay. You’re going to be final 3. You have a vote from me. Nicole – this week is going to be awkward. Cliff – our whole deal was to go to final 3 and we almost did. If he wants to break it, that’s on him. Nicole – I think if the roles were reversed they would have taken the shot at us.. I don’t care what the f**k they say. Cliff – I will make sure the jury knows that an agreement was made and then ignored as soon as he got power. Its okay I am going to go talk to him. Nicole – If he is going to stand up and say my word means something and your word means dirt. I’m a trust worthy person and you’re not. Great job martyrs!!! Cliff – maybe we made the wrong decision and should have kept Tommy.
4:30pm Living room. Cliff and Jackson.
Cliff asks Jackson to talk. Cliff – she told me and I’m okay about it. Jackson – I know she feels upset because you’re almost taking a bullet for her. Cliff – well I am but.. Jackson goes into all the reasons why he and Holly are going back on their word due to the things Nicole and Cliff did. Jackson – one comment that rubbed me the wrong way was that this will be y’all’s last days. Cliff – oh I’m sorry. Jackson – and then you gave Holly permission to compete. She is a grown woman and doesn’t need anyone’s permission to compete. Jackson continues to explain the deals that were made and why they’re broken. Cliff – however this goes, we’re cool. We’re playing a game. You’re playing for your game and I’m playing for mine. Part of me wishes it wasn’t me and that it was Nicole but that’s how the game goes. Cliff – let me throw out my side. Yeah we talked about final four. I fully intended on a final four with us. I started hearing that Holly was maybe plotting against me. I am not thinking that is the case now but that’s what I was hearing. Tommy was spilling a lot of info that made me think you were playing games with him as well. And then I have Nicole next to me who was very scared that if it came down to me and Holly and the two of us that anything other than Nicole winning would lead to her going out the door. And I already promised to her that whatever she wanted me to vote I would do it. We vote in unity because I promised her that. And because she won the veto I felt a little bit trapped. Jackson – you and I came in here alone and I don’t want you to sink your ship for someone else. Jackson – I love you man and respect you on a personal level. Cliff – don’t get mad at her because I found out. Jackson – no, I wanted to tell you but I didn’t want to add stress to your health. Cliff – I appreciate that but I’m cool. We all know what the plan is, I don’t want people walking on egg shells. I understand but I still don’t like it. I still consider you one of the most honorable people in this game. Jackson – unfortunately its you versus Holly. Cliff – we’re playing a game and if I come up short.. I just don’t want the rest of this week to be weird.
5:15pm – 6:10pm Nicole, Cliff and Jackson talk more and more about everything that happened and didn’t happen to get them to the point in the game where they are right now. Cliff heads inside. Cliff wanders the house and then sits in silence in the bathroom and then moves to the living room. Holly and Jackson talk about life outside the house and then lay in silence on the hammock together.
6:10pm – 7:15pm All the house guests are napping / lazing around in silence.
7:18pm Living room. Nicole and Cliff.
Cliff – I’ve been here for 89 days. I’m okay with going. I’m not going because I did something horrible, its because they’re going to do something that .. it will be their own decision. Nicole – maybe we were thinking of going against the agreement first but for two people that ranted and raved and cried and yelled about your word means something .. then proceeded to give their word and then proceeded to take it back. You’re being a hypocrite to so I don’t want to hear it. I know it sounds mean but we’re all guilty of it. I would respect it more if it was just this is the nature of the game, I am taking Holly. Cliff – but he is so worried about how he is portrayed .. he isn’t giving the explanation to us .. its to them (America). Cliff – depending on what is said I might bring up how this was only brought up after he won the veto. And he will probably get upset and have a melt down about it.
8pm Holly and Jackson making dinner.
8:20pm Bedroom. Cliff talking to the camera. Cliff – he wanted a reason to break the agreement ..and he came up with one. We all live with the decisions we make. I didn’t expect it to end like this. I thought it would be more of a win or if you don’t you go home. You have to live with your own decisions and I am okay with the decisions I’ve made in this game. Day 89, Cliff discovers he is going to the jury house. Try and sell Nicole as much as I can. Although it will probably be Michie and Holly. Then I would have to decide who to vote for .. maybe Holly.. we honored her agreement.
Jackson – I can’t believe I won the last veto. Holly – I am. Jackson – I’m not proud of that win. That was a dog sh*t win. Holly – you beat me by 6 minutes. Jackson – if I had just stopped and thought about it .. I could have done it in 4 minutes. Holly – the thing that f**ked with my head is that both of them took an hour. I thought that was at least 45 minutes of time. That’s what messed with me. Jackson – I don’t feel right winning something that I didn’t earn. I don’t like things getting handed to me and don’t like handing things.
9:20pm Nicole gets her HOH snap chat glasses.
9:30pm POP tv gives them Jenga to play with.
9:56pm The jenga tower climbs towards the ceiling.
Nicole runs for cover.. #BB21 Jenga @bigbspoilers pic.twitter.com/uhHgPuMidI
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10:20pm Backyard. Cliff talking to his wife Sharon – I don’t know if you’ve gotten word yet or not through a website or through earlier live feeds. Even though I had made the decision to honor my handshake agreement with Michie and take him to final 3 if I had won the veto. He has decided the opposite. He has decided he is not going to honor our sworn agreement and take me to the final 3 in case he won veto instead he is reneging on the deal and taking Holly.. which means I am going home on Thursday. He gave me a lot or reasons and excuses for why he is reneging on the deal but the reality is he didn’t tell me about it until after he won the veto. If he really thought the deal was made under bad situations ..well first of all he shouldn’t have done it but even if he did and he wanted to renege on it he should have done it before whoever won the veto. If it had been the faces comp or something I would have been better at and I won it he would be wanting me to honor it. We know he would. I was willing to stand up to that agreement .. the man to man handshake agreement .. he isn’t. Nicole joins Cliff.
10:43pm – 11pm Backyard. Nicole and Cliff.
Cliff talks about how he will tell Michie later that we he gets out he will see video of him telling Nicole that he (Cliff) has to honor his deal with him (Michie). Holly was honorable and he wasn’t. She kept her word and he didn’t. Wouldn’t that suggest that I might vote for Holly over Michie? Nicole – maybe articulate that to him as well. She gave her word and stuck to it and threw the HOH. Cliff – if its Holly & Michie that means you’re also in jury and you may feel the same way in terms of voting. Suddenly that’s two votes for Holly. Tommy will not vote for Michie. That’s three. Nicole – Christie won’t. Cliff – Christie won’t .. that’s four. Will Sissy vote for Michie? There’s your five. Will Jess.. I don’t know. Will Kat? Nicole – no, no way. Cliff – I’ve always been opposed to a bitter jury.. I’m not sure its a bitter jury if there was one person that honored an agreement with you and another one that turned around a day later didn’t honor it.
Nicole tells Cliff that she was the second in her class in high school and college. Cliff tells Nicole – all these jokes about Mensa .. I’ve qualified for Mensa. I took a test with 50 questions or so and finished so fast I had time to go back and review answers for 4 questions or so. I’m not in it because it never meant anything to me. I’ve got a 145 IQ. Nicole – wow! You should try for it. Cliff – oh and live feeders .. I’ve been told I qualify for Mensa based on my score. If I don’t, don’t rake me over the coals.
11:54pm Backyard. Nicole, Cliff and Holly talk about the jury house and how each jury member is dealing with it.
12:10am Nicole sitting alone talking to the cameras.
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I promised to eat my words if somehow Michie pulled out a win so here I am now. For the first time I will admit I’m wrong. Sometimes predictions don’t come true and this is one of them. Michie’s eviction party is now canceled.
This is one thing I know for sure is that Nicole is going to win. I said this since day 1 and this has not changed. Michie is going to go down the same road as Tyler.
Hopefully, Next year my predictions will be better.
A Doomsday Prophecy just for you Houka Inumuta
– Cliff spends four days campaigning for AFP; on his way out the door he tells Nicole he has her back
– The Rotund One tells Julie he would have had a better chance had he not sacrificed his own game to protect Nicole because he loves her like a daughter…as he wipes a tear away
– Jackson wins the deciding challenge and takes Holly to F2
– Smurfette, with Cliff sized tire tracks on her back, gets third and a truly bodacious onesie which she wears to the finale
– The Crusty/Tommy relationship is kept from the jury. Crusty shoves Dr. Will out of his chair and leads the jury lynch mob roundtable while Tommy cavorts around behind her jumping up and down and fist pumping
– A bitter jury gives the win and a scarlet letter to Holly
– Jackson takes second place and tells Holly, “It’s you and me all the way babe! Let’s shake on it!”
– A wild haired women rushes the stage, yanks Tommy from his booster seat and high kicks him…as medics carry him away Crusty starts crying uncontrollably
– As falsetto calls of “I love you, I respect you” fade off stage, Julie announces Cliff is AFP, Cliff does his finger snappy thing, Nicole runs up to him, tells him he so deserves this…and knees him…twice…SKD-opfh-143-argh!
Thanks for the laugh!
That would be hilarious!!
“Jackson – I don’t feel right winning something that I didn’t earn. I don’t like things getting handed to me and don’t like handing things.“
What is he talking about?
I think he is saying Nicole got her spot in the final three handed to her when Holly through the HOH comp.
He’s referring to the POV.
Some think he means the POV (b/c apparently he kept knocking down the wrong cut out & production kept LOUDLY repeating did NOT.. did NOT) as he was taking shots to knock down the cutouts.
But, others thought he meant the luxury comp which was apparently also handed to him ($10k).
So, not sure maybe both.
I think you have captured the essence of the last few days perfectly!
How will Nicole win? She has to win HOH. It’s the only way and that is too good to be true!
Yea and no one will be throwing this one to her
holly sucks at comps and part 3 is usually observation based which jackson sucks at. nicole has a pretty good chance at winning fianl hoh and taking holly for the win.
I would have understood maybe not agreed with what Jackson did to Tommy and lying to everyone had Jackson now just manned up and owned it. Instead he is using it as an excuse to do what we all knew he would do. Had he said look i saw that you were possibly wavering on our deal and because this is big brother I had to do what it took to make sure Holly stayed. I hate that he is just trying to make it look like hed alway the victim and he had no choice he so honorable. America doesnt want to be F by you jackson so stop trying to. Please your the douche full of s!!t guy at the bar.
Love Nicole she took ownership of what she did. Jackson condescending and a liar. Cliff did this to himself. Jackson would have never known Nicole was wavering because all he heard when snooping on them was Tommy campaigning that’s normal. We do not know if they would have kept their word had Jackson not lied because he did lie. The point is moot.I think Holly still wanted to go with Tommy. Cliff just gave the excuse to Jackson and bought his self a ticket to the jury. Nicole is upset because Jackson is once again underestimating her and trying to manipulate her and she see that. I guess she figures he should give her the respect she deserves instead I love you we will be friends after the show Bs. Jackson is the embodiment of self entitled priviledged jerk sorry. I do really think Nicole is probably the most sincere person we have seen in a long time I really do like her and wish her well in the future.
That’s my take too….they didn’t know if Nicole/Cliff we’re gonna turn they just assumed they would.
Umm, yes they knew exactly what they were doing. Cliff & Nichole told them and us. I feel awful for Tommy but this is BB and it’s final four. Jackson’s mind sees a problem or obstacle & he figures out what needs to happen & he does it. It’s NEVER FAIR. There have been years when people won because they were NICE. That is Not what winning BB is about. That’s AFP.
Was dr will scandalous YES that’s the game
Dr. Will didn’t pretend he was driven by high moral values and integrity…
Give me a break all she has done this whole season is whine like a 10 year old i don’t care how sweet she is she floated literally to the end and yes won 2 comps that were designed by production for her then the lady was given to her she does not deserve to win
Uhhh, so did Kasey last season.
She played a social game just like Nicole & never won a challenge until the very end..
and Kasey won her season.
Cause Tyler stopped playing his due to his showmance…..
Out of curiosity are you cool with production giving Jackson wins in comps he lost? (the one on the jet ski where his time had already surpassed Kat’s final tally with only his socks off?), how his ropes were set up differently in the swing competition (he didn’t win that one mind you), his recent POV win where it’s been confirmed production aided his victory & forced Nicole to stop to drink water (she was less than 2 mins behind him), or the luxury comp he said was handed to him?
I’m not saying TPTB don’t influence ALL the timed events – but to suggest Nicole was the ONLY one who benefited this season from a comp geared more to her assets or that production lied about the true time isn’t recognizing the full picture. Plus, lets not forget Nicole didn’t get to play in eight out of the first nine POV comps.
I’m not suggesting Jackson isn’t a comp beast —– but even he was gifted wins.
You won’t say it, but I will. All individually timed comps are suspect until they air them on feeds in their entirety or put them on the cbs site as an extra bonus clip in full because there is a long history of individual time comps being suspicious (all the way back to the only other individual timed final 4 veto comp in big brother history during bb5). If they want to rig a comp: why not rig a comp where the viewer can’t see the whole thing, and won’t know if the times are correct. Given how they operate the d/r (can you say that again as the sassy angry black woman), we’re supposed to believe they won’t manipulate for story in comps that aren’t played out before our or their eyes? okay. nope.
If that’s true. That mister macho 6’ whatever 200lbs whatever needs help to beat 5’2” 100lbs whatever. Then he really should be ashamed of himself.
You all are so full of it…. Had they respected the final four deal and not created all the drama there would not have been shady stuff going on. It would have come down to comps and there is no doubt Holly would have won Nicole’s HOH that she did not earn. You are all mad because you like the underdog and know they did not have much of a chance to win comps against Mickie and Holly. Talk about honor…. you guys grow blind when your players cause the drama and force moves that should not be forced. We, America, know that Mickie and Holly were planning on honoring the final four deal. They kept Cliff and Nicole safe for six weeks…. took a lot of heat to keep alliance a secret.
What a fickle bunch of sour America you are. mickie won challenges and told who his target was each time. If things changed, he let them know. Nicole is and has been a weasel throughout game and she screwed Cliff by bringing the drama
He will come clean when he gets his questions fromthe jury on finale night. The guy is a genious, i dont care what anyone says, hes one of the best ever. Id say dan will jackson top 3 all time. I dont wanna here evil dick hes the one who needed america to win.
I saw glimpses of Dr. Will in him during the cat fight.
Btw it’s EVEL Dick
Yeah. Took that into consideration, but had to spell it as above since he didn’t “wanna here evil dick”.
Zingbot had it right !
I agree somewhat.. He is smart ..BUT he also has production guiding him the entire way so of course he is coming off as being a genius.. but he is not … he is just lucky that production is helping him. I’m sure that if Nicole got that help she would have looked at as a genius as well…
Prove it that production helped him. All you losers who say that have no clue, your just upset because your floater got played. I love it.
Triggered. Love it
The real Jackson is rearing his pompous head again. He played up being a nice guy and According to the polls it worked. He’s using the fact that Nicole and Cliff were trying to protect their own game against them. We know this was his plan all along , so quit trying to play us. I have my fingers crossed he goes out third, that would be awesome, and payback for cheating at have nots and just being an all around jerk.
I think Jackson IS a nice guy. I also think he can be a pompous douchbag. Like most of us there is good & bad & everything in between. Plus, we are seeing these people in a fishbowl making close attachments, then competing against them & then evicting them & killing their dream.
Nah…he is a douchebag that is used to getting whatever he wants no matter what it takes. And mommy helps along whatever he cannot take care of on his own.
Jackson should go back and finish law school……he’s lied and played everyone including viewers…..saying he hasn’t gone shirtless to show off his body, yadda yadda yadda…………..
They should have kept Tommy….at least there would be some game left. It’s a done deal now Jolly has it in the bag….
This is a game and they are not suppose to be truthful come on guys
Thanks Houka! Super impressed with you holding true to your promise!
My prediction is Jackson makes it to final 2 and wins the whole thing (if he does, I think he earned it especially above Holly), but I’m hoping your prediction is right and Nicole manages to win the final HOH and the $500,000.
I honestly think at this point Jackson has earned it….but Nichole could change my mind…..
It seems to me, I could be wrong, but Holly is the biggest floater of all. I would rather see somebody that actually played the game.
Holly played undercover games and shower games.
after watching tonight’s show, that fight with Tommy and voting out Cliff on Thu will only contribute to one thing for Michie – echoing tommy’s statement that Michie does not deserve the money (karma is strong in BBH, hello Paul :)). Tommy, Christie, Cliff, Nicole, Kat, Sis and Jess will vote for Holly. Jack and Nick might vote for Jackson.
If,by some miracle,Holly does happen to win,can’t you just picture Jackson saying,”oh ,Holly ,WE WON”!
I was thinking the same thing. Funny how a couple weeks ago she asked about them being together outside of the house and he was like I don’t know I can’t answer that.I garantee if holly wins he will be so far up her ass more than she is up his.
Don’t you just love Holly also saying I would have won the HOH Comp as if Nicole had no chance. I think Nicole’s tiny body was perfect for that comp.
Holly even had her cameltoe clamped onto that rope.
Jackson carried her, especially the last part of the game.
Who ever jackson sits beside in f2 he will win. I dont think we see a bitter jury. They will vote for the true winner jackson.
jackson wins 10-0. 10? he gets a bonus vote for ending the have-not punishment. 😉
Houka! Thank you for your entertaining posts. And I mean that in a good way. You’re a trip.
You’re dreaming if you think Nicole will win this lol, it’s actually quite obvs either jackson or holly will win final huh and take the other. Nicole will get 3rd and AMF, no bitter jury, after all they all were an alliance at one point. Micky wins 100%
I think Nicole will be in final 2, I think she’ll be smarter at the rememberence competitions. Then she should take Holly for the win. Kudos to her for laying into Jackson. Plus, Nicole/Cliff didn’t turn on them, they voted outTommy.
They voted out Tommy only after Holly promised to give them the HOH AND Veto. Nicole and Cliff both shook hands with Jackson and Holly and swore to go to final four and then each for himself. Then they lied and said they never shook. CBS aired them shaking on it last night. Do you not believe what your eyes and ears tell you? Jackson DESERVES to win this but with all the bitter losers in the jury, he may not.
Yes they voted out tommy but they had to make new deals for them to do that and they shouldnt have had to do that if they were a true final 4.
I hope you’re right. I just don’t want lying Miche. I want Nicole & Holly at the end. Don’t care anymore which one wins.
Jackson should own his part..he was going to take Holly to F3 and F2 nothing changed with that plan. I hope Nicole wins 500K and AFP she deserves all of the money. This game is too big for Cliff. Jackson is playing the game..Holly doesnt deserve to be in the F3 too much drama with her.
Ofcourse he was gonna take holly to f2. Thats not the point. The original plan was to be f4 then scrap it out. But then mickie and holly had to make new deals so that holly could stay and that was cliff and nicole going back on there wordf or a f4. If it was the other way around michie and holly would have stuck with the f4 and would have evicted tommy and with no new deals. So it looks good on the 2 floaters.
I hope that is one prediction that does come true, however it is a long shot . Jackson however will not win, might be in the second chair, but no confetti! That is a sure thing. For like Paul, he display for jury votes. After Tommy and Cliff tell all, who will vote for him, not Jess, Kay, Nick,Sis, Kristy, Tommy, or Cliff. No way he can win now! Stupid!
Cliff is stupid enough to vote for jackson. My God, Nicole had Michie stone cold figured out and he still lobbied her to keep Holly and said he trusted Michie.
Jackson was straining so hard for a couple tears he looked constipated, it was so fake and over the top for him! Nauseating and completely made up BS !!!! You don’t need to be so fake Bro, calling on your mom? WOW that was just creepy!!!!!!
Well yeah, thinking about dear old Ma is the only thing that could force Jackson to squeeze out a tear.
Well I hope Nicole doesn’t win. She flipped on them first and made Holly beg to stay. Now she’s upset that Jackson won’t stick to the agreement. I can’t stand people who stab you in the back and still think you should be loyal to them. I wanted Cliff to win, but now I hope it’s anyone but Nicole.
Do you think Nicole and Cliff are thinking – Should have kept Tommy??? Bye bye Cliff Hogg!!
I imagine Tommy would have quickly aligned with Jackson to take the weaker players out (he already said he hoped Jackson would target them) and rely upon Crusty and his friends on jury to gift him the win.
You have been so far off on a few things lately. Like Saying evel dick would high five Jackson. He absolutely hates Jackson and thinks he never should have been cleared to be on the show. Tommy already said in exit interviews he would have thrown hoh he would have targeted jackson. He really wanted Jackson out.
Well evel has already said, like him or not, he deserves the win; as if he’s an expect on who should or shouldn’t be on the show. As for whatever Tommy said during his “exit” interviews, so? Exit interviews are for excuses. Now that Jackson has owned him, of course he would have wanted him out.
Say, do you recall when Tommy first reveal his secret? Wasn’t it to Jackson and Holly after Jackson won HoH? Interesting. He was sure working the social game with them at the time. Wasn’t if after Nicole won POV that he drifted over to them and sold them…oops, I mean told them, his secret and started wanting to work with them?
tonight Dick said let’s pray for a nicole final hoh win, so that we don’t have to see the “crab infested showmance as the F2”
Some jealously coming from Evel. He needed how many tries to win? Although I’m sure he’s an expert in crab infestations.
Actually, ED won his first season (8) and quit 5 or 6 days into his second (13), so not many “tries”
He was forced to quit because he found out he had aids.
damn, Rokas came out of nowhere.
props to you though SMB, you’ve been touché-ing left & right
He also was promised that he would win if he would come on the show. Anyone that has production protecting them can win. All he did was yell and bully people- mostly the women. No respect for him at all.
Is that a comment about ED or week one and two Jackson? It’s so hard to tell.
I agree, and I said as much to him on twitter, and he blocked me my first week on twitter. That was my first block. 2nd block was Paul BB19 a few days later. Since then I’m doing okay. 🙂
Says the guy with HIV…smh
Wow, Evel Dick can be a little weird sometimes but that’s dumb. Crab infested? Smh lame
If you watch it back, where Tommy told J&H about him and Christie, they had been bashing Christie hard to Tommy and questioning his using the veto on her twice to the point where Tommy felt he had to explain why he did it. It had been really difficult for Tommy being in that house with Christie, and totally unfair to him imo, and I think it was a relief for him to finally explain himself.
Agreed. He looked so uncomfortable when they were bashing her.
I honestly think the main reason he told Holly and Jackson was because they were bashing her so much.
He wldnt of he said he wld of targeted jackson and go f3 with cliff and nicole.
Tommy would have knifed them, too. Only diff is he’d have thrown in a bunch of twirling, high kicking, & “I love you” fake b.s. as he did it.
Good job Nicole on calling Jackson out on his bs reason for going back on his word with Cliff
But Jackson is not wrong here
Technically Jackjaw acted on suspicion of potentially breaking a deal not a deal that was broken…..he conveniently leaves that part out. He will be thought of a scumbag when he leaves the house no matter what anyway lol…..
The hand shake deal was to go to the final four. They agreed then told them they were voting Holly out. The reason they kept Holly was because she agreed to throw the HOH and Veto to them. That is a broken deal. I can’t believe so many people refuse to admit it’s a broken deal. If you agree to something and then change the rules at the last minute, that’s breaking a deal.
Talking about options is NOT the same thing as going back on your word. But Jackson thinks he’s the only one who can plan ahead and hold people to deals. What he did to Tommy was fair but mean. I really hate how he and Holly crown themselves king and queen of honesty but break deals first.
As if deals mean anything on Big Brother but, “talking about options is not the same thing as”? Come on, Cliff and Nicole were intending to keep Tommy and would of had not Cliff threw her under the bus.
Jackson was on to them so he acted first. When it comes to breaking deals, you don’t wait around for them to do it to you first when you know they intend to do it to you. You take the shot.
Tommy was a better choice for them. But, what I hate is Jackson’s double-standard of talking like he has always kept his word and never lied. They both act like victims.
Both as in Jackson-Holly or Cliff-Nicole, because they’re all playing the victim.
Am I the only one remembering that Cliff straight up told Jackson that they were leaning toward keeping Tommy?
I get that Nicole is way more likeable than Jackson, but she was all about that final 4 Cliff got her into when it was Jackson and Holly volleying HoH and keeping her ass safe. Sure she had the opportunity to nix Jackson during the double, but that would have just left her sitting in the same place with Tommy and Christie.
I guess I just have an issue with her sitting in her GIFTED throne acting all righteous when just a few days ago she she was the one holding the knife to their backs with all intentions of using it.
In all likelihood had they booted Holly, Tommy would be in her spot and she’d be the one getting booted this week.
Nicole’s big advantage this whole season was that she was a decent person and a straight shooter, but she is sitting there doing the same thing she is accusing Jackson of. Trying to convince the audience that it is okay that she was being a snake because ya know, she’s from NY.
She was literally handed a spot in F3 and now she’s mad because Jackson is not further stacking the deck against himself?
I think Jackson is right on this one. SHE had all intentions of breaking their F4 deal and only reluctantly stuck to it after backing J & H into a corner and making them promise the world. Is it not enough that Holly with Jackson’s urging honored that deal by throwing HOH, which IMO she had no real obligation to do. Of course it is only after the fact that Nicole is now saying she wasn’t really holding Holly to that deal because ya know, she didn’t shake on it. I guess Jackson should have just told her that he intended on honoring the deal when they made it, just like no funny business right?
The thing is the only thing she can be pissed about is the fact that she took what was likely Cliff’s spot in F3.
Is everyone forgetting that Tommy had already made that same deal with Nicole and Cliff? Holly and Jackson were not FORCED into anything. The mistake was in not breaking up the showmance. And as for Jackson’s saying he HAD to save Holly, yes he did, for HIS OWN game! He was willing to let her go until he eavesdropped!Keeping her was to help his game, so he can stop with the Sir Galahad routine.
Oh, and they definitely planned on going back on their deal. They just weren’t given a chance to. They had no intention of keeping Holly over Tommy. They were going to renege on the deal. They didn’t get a chance to and now everybody’s mad because Jackson lied? Really! It’s Big Brother, not a popularity contest. I think it’s more like chess game. Object of the game is to remove players from the board. There’s no rules on how that’s supposed to be done. (Well, you can’t kill them. Surely that’s one of the rules ) WAAAAAAA, HE FOOLED ME. Oh please! Grow up this is not real life it’s a game and the object of the game is to win. It doesn’t matter if big brother throws a wrench into the game to control it that’s why he’s called big brother. OK so all these people are whining and complaining and some people are complaining and whining and then some people are just whining. I don’t like Jackson, but he is playing a great game. I didn’t like Paul, so controlling. But he was one hell of a player. I thought the object of the game “may the best player win”. But jury always forgets object of the game. They want all the floating ass kissers to win. Always Bitter grudge holder‘s. Maybe the better description would be sore losers.
But, Jackson keeps claiming he hasn’t gone back on his word even once. He and Holly are acting all shocked And holier-than-thou when they have lied multiple times. To call out Cliff & Nicole for not playing a “clean” game makes them liars and fake.
So when Jackson kept Christie instead of Sis after telling her she was NOT his target was that shifting gears?
Or the conversation with Tommy pre POV (BB Comics) did that not take place just to ensure he & Holly would be safe? Or prior to the HOH when he told Tommy he wasn’t his target — given there were only 5 people in the house who the F was the target if it wasn’t Tommy? — one of the people he was sworn in loyalty to?
You get the drift right? The reality of this situation as Another Name so eloquently pointed out is the reason Beth/Jackson stayed true to the F4 deal was ONLY BECAUSE the numbers behooved them to – they had Cliff/Nicole to vote however they wanted but they still were working every other hamster in the house with “alluded promises of safety”. We also seem to over look the biggest comp win of the season was Nicole’s DE HOH which easily could’ve shafted the duo but instead elected to stay true to the F4. Again, if Tommy or Christie had won that DE HOH don’t think for one second Jackson would’ve been spouting his holier than thou bond with Cliff/Nicole —- NO he would’ve buried them and hey – that’s also okay b/c it’s the frigging game – you make alliances and you also try to position yourself safely with everyone else.
The bottom line is Nicole CONSIDERING her options is part of the game & like the majority of BB fans stated the better move was keeping Tommy simply b/c he would give them a better shot at taking out Jackson and/or being Jackson’s target if he stayed & won POV.
At the end of the day Nicole is the one player remaining who can credit others game for the sake of game but she’s not going to ALSO let Jackson deliver the blow with this nonsense about disloyalty when in they end they did stick to the deal (i.e. we are punishing you b/c you allowed yourself to THINK & CONSIDER) & we ALL KNOW even if TPTB didn’t spur on this topic (b/c we KNOW they did) to keep Tommy he STILL was ALWAYS going to keep Holly 100 times out of 100 times.
One final point here – Nicole NEVER had an option – we can say all we want she could’ve forced Cliff’s hand but she could not. She has known going way back when she couldn’t convince him to keep Nick or to vote out Christie earlier that he had his pecking order which was driven by his own desires/needs. Pushing him to do what she wanted still wouldn’t have happened — I mean HELLO – Tommy basically gutted himself saying he’d throw HOH & his priority was to take out Jackson & then he told that to Jackson’s face. Nicole watching Cliff STILL push to keep Holly told her after an entire week of trying to make it happen it wasn’t to be.
I feel for her b/c other than Kemi she never had a true ally with vested interest in the house. Every single person she tried to work with sold her out, blamed her, buried her or treated her like a non-entity. Case in point – how many meetings did this F4 group ever have when Holly/Jackson were in power when they asked Nicole who do you think we should target next?
Ummmmmmmmmmmmmm yeah you’re hearing crickets b/c they never had these discussions they just TOLD her what was happening & who the target was. Whereas when Nicole won on DE she met with Cliff then with Holly/Jackson & even in that tight turnaround confirmed with all three it would be Tommy/Christie & if they agreed Christie should be the target. In fact, had Nicole wanted to take out Tommy instead I bet we would’ve seen H/J buck that idea to push for Christie so yeah – I’m not swallowing this holier than thou shit of Jackson’s either. I still think he played a great game – but the hypocrisy of “how’s and why’s” needs to stop.
First of all…THEY ALL LIE. It’s part of the game. Secondly, if you’re not happy with how this all played out, I feel Cliff is just as much to blame as Jackson. Honestly, Cliff shouldn’t be up there in the finals. I’m not sure Holly or Nichole deserve it either. We will see….Jackson has killed the comps. Socially, he’s got some growing up to do. But I see him being very considerate to the others most of the time.
Which part was considerate?
When he joked about Jessica’s weight, and made fun of what she cooked and her portion sizes (while he was eating 28 times a day)? How about when he told people what and when they could eat?
When he said let’s piss on the floor and the toilet seat and tell everyone David did it?
When he would go to Kemi at the urging of the d/r to be nice (in case she won comeback), and then go up to the HOH room or the back yard and make fun of what she said with the alliance and at one point calling her shit. Repeatedly?
When he threw away something from Nick’s HOH basket, bragged about it and then changed his story weeks later? Was it his HOH basket?
How about when he was belittling and yelling in Kat’s face, or making fun of her and her promiscuity and then scampering off to crawl in bed with her?
How about his complaints about other people’s kitchen cleaning habits and shaming them, when his own showmance can go days without washing a dish.
He shares what… one out of every 10 watermelons? A house food. A house food he got snippy with others for eating for two weeks?
What about the whole ‘things Christie says could wreck my life outside of the show’…. hey, let’s tell everyone she was having a relationship with Jack outside of the house (in a time that would have overlapped her previous relationship). That’s not so considerate.
While it may be loosely considerate (if not gross and highly unsanitary) to share deodorant that you use on your anus testicles and penis, how considerate is it really when three of the people that come in contact with that deodorant develop a rash?
How about how he talked about upgrading from Beth on feeds last week to the boys. more than once. the old ferrari’s only good for being up on blocks in the garage, it’s not good for driving talks.
How about this: Using the HOH shower and a stool for sex no matter who is the HOH, and not cleaning the shower afterward?
He’s 24. At what point do we stop saying he’s got growing up to do and hold him accountable?
once upon a time, i was jackson. so, so many commonalities. in some cases worse, in some cases better. you could say i was a product of my surroundings. anyway, long story short, i’ve almost 180’ed since. i could see jackson doing the same.
I just wrote a long response/rant to this and then deleted every last word. lmao I’m a fool!
lol no, you’re good. no fool. was it too sensitive? my post was vague for that very reason. cliff notes?
continuing a previous convo, yeah michael myers is my fave of that bunch too. man, that dude had serious tunnel vision eh? stay out of his way and you were golden.
but yo, have you seen the back n forth happening here? OBB’s finest ladies are going at it. don’t know who/what started it.
Aw dang Cotton, I don’t get notifications when people respond to something I say. 🙁 lol
Sensitive, yea…but I’m not shy…but some people on here hate with a vengeance, so that’s why I chickened out ha. I happened to remember just now about the back and forth between the fine ladies and came back to see if I missed anything and found this lol.
When did Nicole lie?
This is Big Brother. At some point deals have to be broken
Tell that to Jackson.
Uh…do you know that at this very moment (a while ago) Cliff was (again) throwing Nicole under the bus to Jackson?
EXACTLY! Cliff is making very nausea with all of his throwing Nicole under, over and thru the bus.
And, I don’t care if you want Jackson to win but my God was that the most PATHETIC and SCRIPTED setting session you have ever seen on tonight’s show?? Even my husband who doesn’t watch BB was cracking up!
Jackson was squeezing his eyes together so hard just trying to juice a teardrop!
The icing on the cake was “I need a hug from Mama” and “Where’s Mama when you need her?”
Holly’s expression was too funny!
RUN GIRL!!! RUN!!
He looked at camera on cue….tugged at his eyelashes then made poopy face while straining out a tear…..Holly looked down trying not to laugh.
I literally saw brief glimpses of Dr. Will in Jackson’s performance during the fight.
come now. How many beers deep into the goggles would you have to be to compare Jackson to Dr. Will.
His performance during the fight didn’t fool Nicole. Niiii-cole. She just gave up the ghost because there was no way to convince Cliff. If your act in a fight doesn’t fool Nicole, you are no frickin Dr. Will.
So you’re saying Nicole doesn’t have the strength to even compete against her own partner. Whoa, that is weak. Should look good on her resume; played multiple times by her partner and Jackson.
I’m quite capable of making my own point, and don’t need a ‘so you’re saying’ twisted false equivalency as a veiled misdirection from Jackson and toward Cliff. I compose my thoughts in English, and many times choose my words with thought and purpose (even when I say things that are dripping in sarcasm that are ofttimes perhaps too facetious).
You said Jackson’s performance reminded you of Dr. Will. I disagreed.
I pointed out it was not even close to a Dr. Will performance if the most naive and confused person in the room at the time was able to see through it.
I further elucidated that once Cliff decided to bend over for Jackson (on the false premise of a final two lie that Jackson eluded to which would cover Cliff’s ass with 2 final 2 deals) hours before the big Tommy lie, her vote alone would not be enough to carry out her plan. That is neither about strength nor weakness. That is about Cliff’s lack of integrity in the game, and Jackson’s willingness to lie. I’m not the prudish sort. This is big brother, lie all day and all night to win, good moves: Just don’t go to d/r and revise history to soft pedal the reality of your game for a sympathetic hero edit. That’s bullshit. I’ve said repeatedly, and often in responses to comments you have left me, I’d most likely still dislike Jackson (he’s just not my cup of tea), but i wouldn’t be so annoyed by him if it weren’t for this constant image fix malarkey (that i put not only on him but on production). It’s an insult to the intelligence of feed viewers. Too see it further presented in the house in casual conversation with his co-conspirator as revisionist history and false martyrdom: it’s not only an insult but a slap in the face to feed watchers. We saw what happened. We know from conversations before hand what the intent and purpose was. We saw how it was carried out. We don’t need it molded into softened morally acceptable terms and revisions. That’s disingenuous. It’s failing to take ownership by skirting responsibility for actions.
If you want people to read your posts, don’t be so loquacious and bombastic. Just saying….
ACCCCCCTUALLY, those are words that so succinctly describe Michie; he is endlessly verbose and intolerably pompous. Even Zingbot knows that. Thanks for not talking down to your audience, Another Name.
Don’t want to read them? Don’t. I’ll still write them. Thanks for just saying.
Agree with all you say…does this echo another network “reality” show…whose edited glorification of one of the characters despite his narcissism, racism, misogyny resulted in disaster for Mankind….no small stakes here…I see Michie in Congress…?or worse…
“elucidated” what a great word.
Swaggie’s missing brow is a jackson stage 5 stalker… Lol
The thing I don’t get is why is cliff continuing to throw Nicole under the bus at this point. There’s nothing to be gained by it. Jackson can’t magically get rid of Nicole instead of Cliff. She’s final 3. So that’s really a pretty crappy thing to do to your “good friend”. Now He’s just trying to make himself look better. That’s so idiotic.
He’s confused I think Cliff suffered a head injury when he removed it from Jackjaw’s a$$.
I never thought I’d find myself hoping for a bitter jury, but I am. I hope that if Jackson ends up in the final two, he takes second place, regardless of who he’s sitting next to.
Your right, but do you think it was ok for Jackson and Holly to do the same to Nicole and Cliff on Tommy’s eviction day? For some reason I doubt it.
Jackson constantly reminding Nicole that she almost broke their final 4 deal last week. Nicole sarcastically told Jackson and Holly that they’re wanna be martyrs and she hopes the audience throws tomatoes at her, prompting Jackson and Holly to walk away.
Nicole says that if America hates her for nearly breaking her word to Michie and Holly, then so be it. (Jackson has a cuss out speech ready for Cliff he says). Oh the hypocrisy is strong with J/H
What are you talking about? They broke their word first then tried to get them to commit to stupid things. Jackson had to save himself so he came up with a masterful plan. BOTH PAIRS should have known when it got to 4 that they would fight it out from there, not just let them win.
I don’t remember a final 3 or 4 agreement being broken before those people made it to the end. Last year Brent was taken out because he started plotting ahead of time to take out 1of the 5 beforehand (don’t remember who). I think Angela.
season 16. victoria made it to third over both Frankie and Caleb.
season 17. steve made it to winning when Vanessa cut Austin over Steve.
Told you I don’t rememberer, LOL.
Don’t hide behind the fact that you are evicting cliff because they broke their word last week. If they never wavered last week and this exact scenario played out Jackson would be evicting cliff. For Fuchs sake there is 4 people left. Jackson is trying to be a martyr that he is only doing this because they broke their word last week. Like America is stupid and can’t understand that when a final 4 alliance gets to final 4 someone has to get cut to get to 3.
Jackson’s point was , if they had stuck to the final four deal, there would have been no other deals to break. In order to stay, Holly had to promise to throw the HOH and Veto. They all agreed, final four, then each for themselves. Cliff and Nicole made the deal because they had to have someone carry them to the final four. They knew all along no one would beat Jackson in the comps. They just used him and lied. He really thought that they were honest enough to stick to the deal. But everyone is flabbergasted that Jackson broke HIS word? Cliff and Nicole are the liars, and they think they can justify it by saying I don’t remember shaking hands. BS.
Really? So Nicole should have just blindly taken the showmance to final 4? It’s a game! Jackson has mentioned this himself many times. The new deal was because that was what Tommy had already offered, not because they were forced. They HAD to make that deal to stay, because Nicole still did not believe Tommy was lying. At that point Cliff was the reason she had to vote as she did. Otherwise all Jackson’s wrath would have been on her. She knew that. Happy she is calling him out. Just play the game Jackson. Do what you have to. But trying to also take higher moral ground is a totally very offputting. Do what you have to, but in your own words, Own it.
WHICH F4 deal of Jackson’s do you mean, Sandy? The one with Christie/Tommy…or the one with Cliff/Nicole??? HAHAHAHAHAHA Is anyone watching the same show I am? Jackson was ROFL–telling Holly that they’ll decide which F4 they’re REALLY aligned with…meanwhile, he said LET ‘EM TAKE EACH OTHER OUT, and keep the blood off our hands.
You are correct but all 3 of the duos were saying the same thing about using the other duo to take out the other. Literally, ALL of them. There was one official final 4 group though. There was a period of time where Michie/Holly were working with both duos…until they decided on one, and it was while Michie/Holly were in power.
If they never wavered last week, it is likely Nicole would be seeing the door this week. The only one she should be pissed at is herself, but it’s easier to aim her anger at Jackson because he makes himself an easy target. You can’t expect someone to pay a ransom on a hostage you already let go. She can try and convince herself that not going through with evicting Holly was her honoring her side if the deal, but the fact remains that she took the first shot when she held a gun to their heads and demanded more to do so.
They were discussing keeping Tommy or Holly they never got to make a decision because Jackjaw was busy lying to them both….they never actually broke their word….that’s getting lost in all this righteous indignation by Jackjaw/Mommy.
Not true they never made a decision it was still up in the air at the time Jackjaw started his lies….
Cliff was pushing for Holly to stay. Nicole was resisting and thinking Tommy was the smarter move. That’s what led to the conversation with Tommy that Jackson overheard.
Cliff also gave Jackson up to the minute reports on where Nichole’s Head was at.
Nicole and Cliff deserve everything they get. They are the ones that broke their word, not Jackson. He truly was loyal to them up to final four. They are they ones that turned their back by almost keeping Tommy. How could you expect Jackson to evict Holly over Cliff? Seriously? I am sorry but Cliff and Nicole are not very smart. Actually they were downright idiotic to think Jackson was going to carry them to final 3. I don’t even like Jackson but he deserves the win.
Cliff’s the dumbass here who thought he was so clever guaranteeing himself a final two. Unfortunately, Michie is doing what everyone saw coming including Nicole. Nicole had no choice but to vote with Cliff. Michie said it a long time ago, he would do anything to win this game and do anything to make sure it was him and Holly sitting in those final 2 chairs. Don’t let him be this martyr. He’s doing what he has to do to win this game. Unfortunately, I don’t think he’s thinking about jury. Doing both Tommy and Cliff dirty may sway the jury enough to give it to Holly. Here’s to hoping Nicole wins the last HoH and Michie gets the kick in the balls he deserves like Cliff gets this week.
Tommy did say he respected what Jackson did.
but he was lying lol to Julie…wait till he talks to Christie
That’s Jackholes Mom ^^^^
I hate people say they broke their word with Jackson.. Give me a break it’s a game and I would have lost more respect for Nicole if she didn’t consider “breaking her word”. The number one consideration in this GAME should be your family and winning the money to help yourself and family not the other players getting further.. Nicole was 100% correct in her thinking and unfortunately she should have stuck with her gut feelings.. I still like Nicole and I honestly think she is the most genuine, honorable person that was in the house, so yes I would like to see her win the game, and AFP. If she is able to pull the win off going into this final with those 2 then yes she deserves it. Nicole’s parents should be proud of the girl they raised, unlike Holly. I don’t even dislike Jackson as much as I do Holly.. In my opinion she has the worst character of anyone in the house
the crucial idiotic thing they did was telling H/J they were gonna keep tommy. they could’ve pulled off a blindside, but they were too concerned about burning bridges for jury votes. can’t have it both ways.
Bottom line….they should have kept Tommy.
If he just owned up to what he did as part of explaining how he got to finale night. Without making tons of excuses for his actions (blaming everyone else) and trying to play the victim. He deserves to win based on all his comp wins & being able to protect himself when he didn’t win or couldn’t complete.
I think he is going to win. I don’t like him enough to want him to win.
I think he would have been a good bb player without the hand of Grod, and all of her change your behavior watch what you say, go out and act remorseful crap. That is such poo.
In order to own his game, he has to drop his make america like me act. He’d never do that. Even in his hammock talk with Nicole today he mentioned ‘what america thinks’ a half dozen times. He’ll never own his game.
Comp wins. he wins on comparison of comp wins. Targeting (what he did with his power) nope. Sis and Jess are never the big move no matter how you sugar coat it and call it candy. not in a month of Sundays. Tommy? slippery slope claiming Tommy because of that whole ‘what america thinks’ image issue and claiming a lie that might enflame at least two jurors. Jury management: ummm. when every juror goes to the house and tells the previous juror what Jackson was saying about them as soon as they left or behind their backs? Bad jury management. Like… BAD.
Jackson has to hope for a non bitter jury that is more concerned with comp wins than what he did when he had power.
I still think if he doesn’t win Grod will make heads roll. But it’s not a cakewalk. I still think given season and edit he will win and have complained about it since episode one and two.
I see comments saying that voting out Tommy was Nicole’s biggest strategic mistake and that with Tommy in the house, she would have made the final two. I don’t think so… her position would not change and she still would end up 3rd. However, the biggest loser for not keeping Tommy in the house is Cliff!!!! OMG!!!!! There is no way that Mickie would have lost the Vito to Tommy and then kept him in the house. He openly said that he would pick Cliff over Nicole – for the obvious reasons as he would not stand a chance of winning 500K sitting next to Nicole. Cliff is the biggest loser this season!!!! Now, just entertaining our minds, let’s consider that Tommy miraculously won the Vito, would he have kept Nicole to the end? Or Mickie? Many times he had taken deals not considering Christie in them. Hmmm…
If they kept Tommy, Tommy would be HOH, not Nicole. Jackson would be voting out cliff/nicole instead of cliff/holly.
But of course the moment Jackson won veto Tommy wouldn’t be climbing up his rear making deals and would remain loyal to whomever survived between Cliff and Nicole.
So, Tommy wouldn’t have thrown HOH? I think he would.
Nicole would still be HOH. NO idea who would have won veto.
Jackson would have been more likely to take out Tommy, because Jackson knows Tommy’s knowledge of the days surpasses his.
And it would be Nicole going home not Cliff.
What she expected was for everybody to do what was best for her. Tommy/Holly to throw the HOH cementing her spot in F3. Tommy and Jackson to vote out each other and take her and Cliff to F3. Jackson to vote out Holly and take her and Cliff to F3. She’s just pissed that she is going to have to actually earn her way to F2 rather than it being handed to her.
I guess I am struggling with the fact that she is acting all righteous when in fact she didn’t even legitimately earn the spot she is in.
And I am sorry, ya’ll can say “but she didn’t go through with it so she didn’t actually break her word”. But that doesn’t change the fact that she straight up said “no funny business”, then immediately preceded to not only entertain but was lean towards evicting Holly. You can blame Jackson for a lot of things, but this one not so much.
I just have to say, I think this is one of the more entertaining F4’s.
When someone is stupid and weak minded enough to throw a competition to you then yes you deserve it.. no one held a gun to her head
I love when Nicole called out that “southern gentleman” bull$hit…….she’s not buying his excuses and I hate to say it but human pin cushion Beth is gonna get 50K for sitting on a wet stool all summer lol.
Ironic isn’t it?
And here she’s been buried in “southern gentlemen bull$hit” for weeks by her buddy Cliff…who isn’t wasting much time in blaming her for this predicament. Now that’s a real “southern gentleman”. He probably deserves to be F3 more than Nicole.
You’re exactly right. There’s really no scenario where Holly doesn’t get at least 50 grand. How sad!
Has a showmance ever ended up as the final two?
Jeez Louise! This is really is the season where nothing stayed secret long at all
Manifesting a Vanessa exit for Jackson
Holly called Nicole a bully -.- I can’t help but eye roll
Go back to the episode where the Gr8ful are telling Nick what a liar Nicole is, and Holly tells Nick she would never ever use the word bully (when confronted with Nick saying Nicole repeatedly said she never used the word bully, Sis, Holly and Christie were the ones calling it bullying and the clip of Holly saying Nick was a bully). free eye roll.
Holly and Nicole have a lot in common they were both carried by Jackson.
Hmmm, and Cliff tried to throw both of them under the bus.
Holly is so delusional…she wanted Nicole out back when she was HOH and NOW she is talking about how she has had her back??? Give me a f&ckin’ break. And a Michie swears up and down that he’ll take them to final 3? The two for hem deserve each other. I get that it’s a game, but when you have to play that way, the only thing you can hope for is that Karma gets them in the end.
Same woman that told Kat before her eviction to lie to the public and say she never had a showmance with Jackson. When it was on episode and mentioned on feeds. She really doesn’t understand the concept of feeds and 24/7 filming. She thinks she can revise history later and nobody will remember.
Well gosh, then I don’t think there would be a game.
Gee, I can’t see why Nicole wanted a deal in place before agreeing to keep Holly.
Jackson and Holly have said so many times that poor Cliff is taking the fall instead of Nicole.
Why oh why would she want security? Even though she was out of luck in terms of the vote once Cliff started pushing for Holly to stay. WAY before Jackson resorted to the eavesdropping lie.
Nicole should have gone her gut. She was right but gave into Cliff who knew he wss throwing her under the bus. Cliff deserves to go out this week and not win AFP. Maybe karma will bless her and she will get to f2
Nicole should not have deferred. It’s her big season weakness. If I were on jury I would think her lack of backbone is what made her the swing vote, not game play. I like Nicole as a person. Please understand. I think she did some things well socially (bonding with jurors before eviction being smart, sinking into the woodwork a lot being smart). Instead of thinking for herself and doing what was best interest for Nicole, she far too thought of Cliff’s game and position. He’s been bussing her since the alliance with Ovi days. In terms of loyalty Nicole was ten times the ally that Cliff was. But thinking of him and deferring to him is also her biggest downfall, and always has been.
Which made it doubly hard to see her saying Cliff deserves F3 over her. Those words were hardly out of her mouth and he’s approaching Jackson, blaming Nicole for the situation and making tentative overtures to save his own hide.
When Nicole informs Cliff of the situation and says he deserves it, much like she has spent hours bonding with the soon to be evicted, i’m starting to think (not starting, thought for a while) that that’s jury management. It may also be authentic empathy, but it’s jury schmooze as well.
ffs, what’s with all this “i love you” jury management bull doo doo? i hope to never hear it on BB22.
Same…FFS! Never heard the acronym for one of my fave expressions..LOVE it!
That was just sad. She is still young and will learn it is ok to put herself first.
Yes — BUT — all of this drama could’ve been avoided if Cliff simply said NOPE I’m sticking with our F4. That would’ve avoided the “excuse” for Jackson who as we all know would always take Holly as he should.
We can’t say Nicole was weak b/c she never had a choice – she KNEW Cliff was going to be a hard sell with Tommy (she kept saying as much) & she knew it was best for BOTH her/Cliff but he unlike Nicole ALWAYS put his own desires ahead of the pair to her determent in the game & he’s continuing to do so.
It’s hard to be annoyed by Nicole b/c even if she had demanded Cliff vote out Holly I think we all know it wasn’t going to happen. The fact is Cliff created this entire situation by first allowing Nicole to believe it was an option & then by using Tommy’s deal making to try to strengthen his odds of landing in a F2 chair.
Someone said above Tommy/Cliff got Christied by Jackson & it’s true – he’s simply finding a narrative to allow for his reasoning. Likewise, Cliff stayed true to form (to borrow from Another Name – the BUFFOON of the season) by continuing to make constant deals to improve his own position.
Ultimately, I wouldn’t say Nicole has no backbone if anything I think her inability to manipulate was her downfall. Then again this season has very specific traits which included not allowing certain players to actively play the game (remember – don’t talk game with them), allies who burned their own (Nick/Bella/Jess/Cliff etc) and for the most part perhaps the most hypocritical cast ever. Under those circumstances the fact she was able to remain in the house this long, nurture & build relationships and actively try to propel her allies ahead is a feat in itself.
At least Nicole sees the options of what’s best and still attempts to TRY to influence — what exactly did Holly ever influence outside of where the shower stool was positioned? I can’t even give Cliff credit for influencing b/c he never got his buddy Jackson to do what he wanted and Nicole only voted his way b/c voting opposite would’ve netted the same result.
As for her saying Cliff deserves to be here more — I think that is just part and parcel of who she is as an individual. She’s loyal and loving. Jess trashed Nicole even after she tried to help her but instead of striking back by noting her inability to see reality (Christie) keep a secret, or not say nasty things about her personally Nicole forgives her. Out of everyone in the house Nicole could always separate game – will she be hurt by the sheer volume of how much Cliff used her? Probably, but in the same token she’ll also likely forgive him and mark it up as “game”.
I really hope that happens. Nicole’s instincts have been spot on. She hasn’t always won comps, but her reasoning and grasp of the game has always been pretty sound. But she has a problem with letting herself be persuaded by people, mainly Cliff. Cliff lost his chance at final 3 the minute Tommy left the game. He was just too taken in by Jackson to see the forest for the trees. Nicole should feel no guilt whatsoever about Cliff leaving. She tried to make the better move by keeping Tommy. It was ridiculous for Cliff to ever think Jackson would pick him over Holly. At least with Tommy they both had a chance for final 3. Things aren’t looking good for Nicole now but I still hope she can pull it off.
I watched that clip from the “chaos in the HOH” from Jul 12 and it was mob mentality theatre at it’s finest…..everybody but Nicole/Cliff and the camp comeback unfortunates were invited for the witch burning lol.
and jess and kat. don’t forget Jess and kat. Who originally were offended there was a party and they weren’t invited.
No Nicole you see the reason this is happening is because you broke your word and sent Jackson into a tailspin trying to save himself, which he managed to do, and all these stupid “deals” were made. After you broke yours all hell broke loose. Both of you should have known when it came down to 4 you would fight for the veto and that would be a deciding factor. Don’t be pissed at Jackson because he won veto and double crossed your stupid “deals”, after you crossed him.
She did not break her word by just listening to tommy. They kept Holly that point is moot . Cliff was a moron by telling him Holly was wavering. We do not know if Holly would or wouldn’t have wanted to go back on that deal if Jackson had not HORRIBLY lied because of course he did lie. Plus Cliff could have just told Nicole that he gave his word and Jackson would have been the deciding vote .Cliff gave Jackson the reason to go back on his word or at least an excuse. Cliff unfortunately is the cause of his own demise. Nicole is just tired of Jackson treating her like a moron and not respecting her as a person or possible threat to his game. He is the embodiment of entitled. She is not stupid and does not want to be lied to or condescended too. She took ownership of what she did and how she respected his move as for the game.
She just wanted him to stop lying and saying he loves her she great and all that other BS. Respect. I actually really do like Nicole. I hated this season cause I knew Jackson was being favored but I do think Nicole is probably the most legitimately good person we have seen in a while.
She didn’t just listened to Tommy, she bought what he was selling. There is no doubt that if things hadn’t gone down like they did Holly was being evicted. Only reason it did not happen is she got caught before she could pull the trigger. Let us not forget “No funny business”.
So what? It was better for her game to keep Tommy. Deals are made and broken. I dont buy into Jackson’s righteous ire routine. Getting rid of a number for Jackson was a smart move. Cliff was too naive to see it. He thought Jackson would choose him instead of Holly? If he had taken her out he would have had a better chance. One of him Tommy or Nicole would have been HOH. Any of them could have taken a shot at Jackson. He may have still won veto, but wouldnt have a 2/3 chance at f/2.
So if they just blindly sent out Tommy last week and nicole won hoh and jackson won veto how would things be different? (Hint they wouldn’t)
She isn’t pissed Jackson won veto “crossed the deals” made. She’s mad that he’s trying to play up being a martyr that is only evicting cliff because they went back on their word. Literally in this scenario yeah evicts cliff and in the above scenario he evicts cliff. It the freaking final 4 so jackson needs to quit acting like they forced his hand. If there were still 6 people left and Jackson did this he could claim the moral superiority card but regardless the numbers literally forced his hand not a deal breaking
Jackson in no way is saying he would have ever chosen Cliff over Holly. What he is saying is that he was forced to lie because Cliff and Nicole were planning to renege on their final four pact.
The reversal by C&N necessitated every other “ridiculous” deal. Clifford the “deal maker” ran to anyone in power to further his game. I’ve never been so sick of deals in my life.
I, for one see very little that would ever compel me to root for or justify Nicole winning anything. She was mainly annoying and only won HoH’s only when Jackson couldn’t play and when they made Holly throw it. Hardly the stuff that legends are made of. Jackson, on the other hand played a flawless game by winning everytime necessary to save himself or Holly and later, Cliff & Nicole. If he does not win, there is no Justice in this game. Just my two cents.
No one is arguing that things would be different block-wise if they made it to final 4 without all of the drama. Jackson isn’t saying he wouldn’t be voting out Cliff if they wouldn’t have broken the original deal, he is just justifying breaking all of the new deals that he made at the last minute to save holly. Basically the situation would have been the same, but with four loyal friends instead of the weird tension.
If she really wanted to keep Tommy, she should have said it emphatically to Cliff, but she didn’t want the guilt of being wrong if tommy screwed them over, so she let Cliff make the decision.
Except that he chose Cliff and Nicole be ause he thought they were weak. He always wanted to take them to 4 because he knew he could beat them in comps. They should have evicted Holly. And that is Cliff. He was taken in by Jackson by seeing a younger version of himself in him. And that they are both from the South. I know true ” Southern Gentlemen” and those 2 arent it.
be mad at him cause he has been a huge dick about it, pretending 2 b victim, lying bout tommy,etc,etc
Dang, sometimes it’s hard for me to keep track of who people are talking about.
Are you referring to the “huge dick” Jackson or the “huge but limp dick” Cliff pretending to be the victim?
Crossed him how? He wasn’t getting evicted. He was in a showmance. Everyone knows it’s best to break up the showmance. Ehat is his ire all about? He hasn’t said he loves Holly. She’s better for his game as a number, and to take ” showers ” with. Keeping Tommy was better for Nicole’s game. Jackson won. With a lie. So be it. But this ” honorable ” rhetoric is ridiculous.
CLiff is a Buffoon. Look how hard Jackson’s fighting to get Holly to 4. And Cliff seriously believes Jackson would cut her at 4?
I have said it before. Buffoon. I mean… nope. Buffoon says it ALL.
When Jackson said we’ve never went against y’all at 24 minutes into episode.
I remind everyone of the middle of two couples plan before double eviction. I remind you of J/H having 2 final 4 deals, semantically saying we’ve only shaken on a final 4 with y’all. Not saying they don’t have another final 4. Saying they didn’t shake on it. If Christie or Tommy had won double, who would Jackson have been pushing for the block. Let’s remind ourselves of that. It’s a matter of they needed numbers, not equals. They didn’t go against Cliff or Nicole in their three weeks because of MATH. not loyalty. It was about votes under their thumb. Then once Nicole took the shot at Christie for them, it was about getting rid of Tommy because Tommy would be more loyal to Holly than Jackson and Tommy was more of a physical threat. Jackson doesn’t want to face physical threats. He wants the easiest road possible. It’s logical. It’s game. Opportunity didn’t exist when they needed the math. If Tommy or Christie or even Jess had won HOH anywhere in that timeline: Cliff and Nicole were toast. Opportunity and math not loyalty. Don’t but the wall me. That one is sketch af and we all know it by commentary from feeds Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday morning vs what happened after feeds went out for tech rehearsal and d/r talks. Sketch. Complete Script flip. It was noted repeatedly on here, and not just by me.
Cliff makes the throw HOH deal. Jackson lies again. Cliff bites. like a buffoon. This part is during episode (remember the handshake on screen over Julie’s shoulder). Holly gives her word to throwing. Nicole still isn’t convinced. The reality is Cliff is so blind to Nicole having more options than him, that he’s sabotaging his own game. Buffoon. His d/r is more buffoon. “almost feels like a betrayal” when he’s been tossing her under the bus for four weeks. Nicole was right. Cliff was wrong. Need I say it again: Buffoon.
(Personal note editorialization. Nicole crying in bathroom. Jackson is there. Yet again in the presence of the human emotions of others… Jackson stares blankly if it isn’t about him. this is the ninth time it’s been noticeable in episode. If it isn’t something that is about him, or for his edit… he’s blank slate in understanding empathy).
Jackson says he needs Holly to throw the HOH in episode d/r. Wait a minute. That’s opposite to everything he said on feeds after the HOH. um. uh. okay. Imagonna go with feeds as closer to reality. Thanks for playing. His d/r of why Holly had to throw made no sense. sorry. it is d/r script edit gone awry.
Holly doesnt want to throw.
Cliff thinks Holly not throwing is going to be a problem. No Buffoon. Keeping a showmance in final four is your problem dumbass. Nicole didn’t think Holly would throw.
(ed note: where was Holly’s moral compunction when the exact same deal parameters were held in front of Christie’s face for how many weeks in a row? We hated Christie but point out the difference in Holly’s view on deals then and now) Nicole is HOH. uh. well she has the key but according to the showmance it’s actually their HOH.
Oh look. It’ time for buffoon deals. eye roll. I’m going to mute. Thanks.
The d/r ordered crying segment. Note this is after d/r when they told him to stop being so jubilant about what happened with Tommy). Loyal to a fault. remind everyone that the six shooters broke up when Jackson said Tommy and Sis are out (they trusted Jack and Christie more than Jackson… had to be ditched). That crying segment was crap. that was artificial. It’s not he felt bad for doing it. it’s that he felt bad about what others will think of him. He doesn’t process empathy without it being about how it affects him. Review the season. Show me where he has an understanding of human emotion where it isn’t applied to being about himself.
Nicole sees now after talking with Cliff that Cliff pushed for Tommy’s eviction so that Cliff could ride the middle with 2 final 2 deals. You got played Nicole. oh well. Next time don’t defer. Show you have a spine.
Holly. um. mad she’s nominated in the final four nominations. Uh. Who’s gonna tell her. It’s meaningless.
Jackson justification crap like he wasn’t going to take Holly if they didn’t break the deal? Oh. Right. UM. Yeah. Edit spin that doesn’t make sense. Typical.
Nicole has no right to say Jackson is telling her BS to go back on his word to Cliff. Her and Cliff were giving ultimatums to Holly and Jackson if they wanted to stay in the house. If Holly hadn’t kept her word to Nicole she wouldn’t be HOH. Nicole has had everything handed to her because she made people feel sorry for her. She is now showing people who she really is. Jackson deserves to win he actually earned it by good game play.
Whoa…be careful, they like to stone heretics.
You guys have no reading comprehension. She isn’t mad he’s evicting cliff. She doesn’t like he is a playing up moral superiority and using an excuse that them breaking a deal as why he is evicting cliff. It’s literally just a number crunch they got to final 4 and someone has to go and michie wouldn’t be sending out holly regardless of deals previously broken or not. Just own it that holly has been your ride or die since Jack threw you under the bus and you are keeping her for that reason. Not some made up bulls*** about broken deals and being a martyr.
He is not using it as an excuse for breaking the deal, he us using it as an excuse for having to lie and make the deal in the first place. If Nicole hadn’t entertained keeping Tommy, the 4 would have went to F4 and nothing would have changed except for the fact that Nicole would probably not be HOH and Jackson wouldn’t have had to lie his ass off to keep Holly in the game. SHE forced his hand.
Just like her trying to justify her HOH by saying she never shook on it and never expected Holly to hand it to her. She sure wasn’t singing that tune when Jackson was urging Holly to drop. I don’t blame her, but don’t act like you earned it. Do you think if it was her and Cliff on the block she’d still be saying Cliff deserves it more than her? No it’s just her playing the “martyr” while sitting safe in F3.
No one forced his hand. He could have taken the information to everyone. NO ONE made him lie. Its BB. People do lie. Trying to justify it by blaming others is what is wrong here. Own it! This was Paul’s mistake twice. Hope Jackson gets the same result.
I agree about owning it, but nobody who is hoping to win this game is going to own their lie right at this very moment. Of course he’s going to say they forced him to. They were going to keep Tommy and take out the most loyal person to him. He had no choice but to come up with this massive lie if he has even a glimmer of a chance to win this game. Now onto where I agree with you. He HAS to own this lie, but not yet. And if on finale night….he chooses not to own it, then he will probably face the same fate as Paul.
That was CLIFF coming up with those deals, not Nicole.
He broke the rules when being on slop… should have been punished but wasn’t…..Sam was going out the door though still stayed on slop and didn’t cheat like Jackson did….. Sorry, Jackhole doesn’t deserve shit imo.
I just watched the episode. Did you? Nicole never once told Holly to fall off of that comp. Nicole was prepared to hang in there as long as necessary. Jackson was the one telling Holly to fall off. Holly might have held on as long as she possibly could… maybe she would have fell and Nicole would have actually won but, you know .. Holly would have CLAIMED she threw it even if she hadnt. Holly chose to fall off and was encouraged to do so by Jackson. Whatever deals were made about it.. it was over .. she had made it to 4 and could have hung on and guaranteed herself a final 3 position. All of this is crap about Holly giving it to Nicole. Yes she gave it to Nicole… but she didnt have to. The deals were already broken and Jackson isnt honoring his part of the deal and Holly was ok with allowing Jackson to lie about Tommy and go along with it to help her stay so why is going back on a deal about falling such a moral dilemma for her? because she cant tell a lie or break a deal? I call crap! a lie is a lie is a lie…shes already lied and had gone along with lies.. not following through with throwing the comp wouldnt have been any more of a lie than the others they had already told. they just need to own their own game play and stop with the handshake southern bullcrap. they are full of it! holly jumped off of that comp and now wants to say she would have won it if she hadnt… we will NEVER KNOW!
Because they think it will be easier to beat Nicole, especially since its 2 if them against her. I hope there’s some mental comps and she smokes them. And takes Holly to f2.
I’m wondering if the Final HOH will shift from previous years comps (insert not likely given recent events) to more dates related. Given the typical F4 HOH (endurance) & POV (sounds like physical with some Q&A) were geared toward Jackson/Holly winning perhaps they’ll shift final HOH part 1 to being before & after since they haven’t done that comp yet this season & it’s a yearly comp. If they do that then Nicole could easily win Part 1 they could make Part 2 a physical comp which would be super interesting to see if Jackson would expect Holly to give it to him and then make Part 3 different as well with it also being more dates comprehensive.
In those scenarios Nicole would benefit most and it might ensure her F2 chair.
I still thing TPTB will manipulate the final comps – we just don’t know if they’d like to see a F2 featuring the top competitor (Jackson) & the under dog (Nicole). We’ll have to keep an eye on how things shift following DRs in the closing days b/c it sure seems logical that they would push for both Nicole & Michie to take each other so they get more bang for their buck on finale night. As it stands now Holly could take her favorite seat in the shower for the last days knowing she’s already claimed $50k.
I doubt it because the comps will be very Jacksonish leaning IMHO.
So true! More than one HG has used the “I threw it” when in point of fact their play was simply subpar. Remember when Holly nonchalantly told Michie she wasn’t really trying with BB Comics because she wasn’t sure she even wanted to win it? He was in shock! He thought surely she was joking, considering they’re at the END OF THE GAME. Michie told her he had, of course, given it his all. We aren’t privy to enough of the comps to judge…but what we saw showed Holly went out guns-a-blazin’!
Jackson pulled a Christie this week; only difference is I think he feels guilty whereas Christie self-justifies and believes her own lies. If I were Tommy, I would make sure he didn’t get my vote. But Tommy was aligned with Christie all season who did the exact same thing to everyone else – “Own it”. Tommy got “Christied” by Jackson. My only secret hope is that somehow Nicole ends up with the power and chooses Holly over Jackson for the final 2. Otherwise I don’t really care because I’d rather Jackson get the money over Holly; she’s passive aggressive and inauthentic. In overthinking what people think about her, she looks worse. That doesn’t mean she isn’t a good girl in real life – not everyone has the ability to be completely transparant to the cameras in a fish bowl. She’s not “Amanda” awful, and Jackson isn’t “Paul” awful. (GO NICOLE)
He got “Christied”…how apt a description! Bravo.
He does not feel guilty. he jumped around beaming and making up more lies about things tommy supposedly did and said after the HOH and before being called to d/r and told he was looking like a grade a dick. Once it was impressed on him what people might think of him, we get tears.
Right after the tear fest he was at the HOH reveal. Not a tear in sight. after HOH reveal he’s called back to d/r and comes out, goes back and has another tear fest because they didn’t get enough usable footage the first time.
not guilty at all. It’s more of the same image fix crap we’ve been seeing for weeks. His first impulse reactions (the petty douche ones) are the real deal, the reactions after he’s been to d/r that magically make it to episode instead of his impulse reactions, those are image fix. He’s actually spoken about this in hushed tones to Holly a few times, and once in front of Nicole (that made her look at him like he was in a bird costume).
It would probably be pretty great if he got no help (time outs) by production and let the true d*ckhead shine.
Such a babysitting nightmare this guy wtf did production cast this sociopathic mommy obsessed narcissist to begin with is crazy…..they knew what they we’re getting.
Jackson’s view is that anything mean or upsetting that HE does is the victim’s fault. They pushed him to it, he didn’t want to but…, etc. he’s not well.
You bring up an issue I keep overlooking which is MUCH of what the hamsters say in the DR is spoon fed so when we get annoyed with ANY of the hamsters it’s likely all being influenced. Like Nicole KNEW she wanted to keep Tommy & KNEW she had to work on Cliff – but then she says things which make it seem like Cliff snowed her. The reality as we now know is she did see through Cliff & also that he/Jackson made a F2 commitment. It makes me wonder how much pressure TPTB put on the hamsters to say – either “do this/say this” or we’ll keep someone who will.
the Kemi case. The employee who was pushing her to play up the angry black woman trope even though he’d already received cultural bias training.
Christie refusing for weeks to back down from her ‘jackson is disrespectful to women’ talk though saying she was asked. Four weeks later she finally gives them sound bite moments on feeds. She’s gone days later.
Tommy saying they ask him to say things he’d never say, and he does it because y’know.
Jack and Jaackson being called into d/r to be told about public perception and being told to hush up and alter course.
We know d/r is crap used to promote storyline.
It’s almost like Nicole and Cliff feel entitled to be in the final 2 (Nicole more than Cliff). They seem to feel that they deserve the big prize and it should just be handed to them no questions asked. I feel many of the commenters feel the same way due to their hatred and contempt for Holly and Jackson. Granted, you’re entitled to your opinion but there is more than one side of the story. Yes, Jackson is an ass but he played a better game and did stick to his part of the bargain. Now that Jackson is giving Nicole and Cliff a taste of their own medicine he’s even worse than first thought and Holly is guilty by association. Did anyone notice that Cliff didn’t push back too hard because he knew Jackson caught on to his game? Take to heart people that the game isn’t over yet and your little angel Nicole can still win, even though she doesn’t deserve it.
Straight faced bring up entitlement and defend Holly and Jackson (inferring they have not acted in an entitled fashion) in the same post. That takes hutzpah.
sticking to their side: did Holly bring up the idea of keeping Tommy to Jackson last week before the veto? she did.
Jackson and Holly are not the poor maligned victim of circumstance. Jackson’s ‘character’ and Holly’s ‘character’ have had them in the hot seat for much of the game because they have consistently been @$$holes in word and deed over the last weeks. It’s not a case of how dare they with Cliff and Nicole as a singular incident. It’s a case of how dare they as a pattern of behavior they then hoist on others in order to give themselves plausible deniability. Even with the image fix, it’s been a consistent “I don’t want America to think” strategem they’ve been employing. Nicole and Cliff were going to cut Holly loose. They should have from a game standpoint. Just like Holly was right to bring up the possibility of keeping Tommy before the veto was played. She should have considered it. He was more loyal to her throughout the game, and that would have given her options. To pretend it was never a consideration, to get up on the cross and cry about their stigmata over Clif and Nicole doing what Jackson and Holly discussed doing in the event of someone else winning hoh over the last three weeks? somebody else needs the wood.
Jackson was never going to cut Holly for Cliff or for Nicole. This woe is me you broke your word argument is false justification.
Nicole and Cliff are not poor innocents. Holly and Jackson are not poor victims.
It’s up to the jury to decide who deserves to win. Frankly, in my opinion, I won’t be happy with the winner no matter who it is, but i’ll point and giggle at every one of the losers. That is a comment on the season.
100% — they KNEW there were 2 duos & they each looked at options. Cliff never wavered simply b/c he believed (for whatever ridiculous reason) that his best options existed with that F4 & tried to work it so it would be Jackson/Nicole so he was guaranteed F2.
See my note above on your other post as i think your comments about TPTB/DR influence is even broader in the game. I bring this up b/c some of my distaste for Cliff/Holly may be misplaced just based on what they are being “forced” to do to stay in the game.
Still, I’m with you – this season was a disappointment which only improved for me once G8ful started getting ousted & a few underdogs got into the mix.
I do wonder if it’s even feasible anymore for a “true super fan” to come into the house and play the game they want & still win b/c there’s simply so much interference by TPTB. It sure feels like the cast is now more than ever treated as such (a cast expected to deliver lines/actions) based on production’s direction and if they don’t play ball well – see ya.
I’m not sure if BBCAN is the beta test for future Big Brother US (the casting process is certainly following the Canadian process recruit then recruit from the recruits social media, then fill the holes with a few applicants model which is also farmed to Kasssssting). But I’ve noticed that BB 21 follows the last couple seasons of BBCAN model very closely. Production has already modeled a storyline as of episode one (i’ve chosen the winner of the season after watching d/r development in episode one more than once), and will push their model through with game twists and d/r urging. House guests in earlier seasons were more zip lipped about what d/r was urging. Now they talk about it openly and only get you cannot talk about d/r or production messages sparingly. Given these fools didn’t understand the concept of feeds for weeks and weeks, we got the inner look.
In the highly unlikely case that Nicole were to win out, would she still be undeserving in your eyes? Just wondering. No offense meant.
No offense taken, but no she wouldn’t deserve to win because she didn’t do enough IMO. But it seems to me that the past few seasons these are the type of players that are winning. Its the changing of the guard, you know, a new generation. Tyler lost out last year to whats her name(sorry) and she didn’t do anything for 3/4 of the game. But she turned it on at the end and managed the jury. She was a smart player but Tyler did most of the manipulating and it caught up to him in the end. That is why I wouldn’t be surprised If Nicole wins.
Fair enough. Harmless, hungry troll from Sherdog looking to create and eat negatives, but kidding aside, appreciate the authentic response, Sherry. +1
Yalls back and forth had me lmao! :p
Thank you unconTrollable for not wanting to rip my head off. You just made my day.
It’s not BS that Jackson is keeping Holly, but it is BS that Jackson is claiming that if Nicole and Cliff hadn’t considered keeping Tommy, that he would have picked either of Cliff or Nicole to stay this week instead of Holly.
Nicole and Cliff could have been working with Jackson and been loyal to Jackson from day 1, it wouldn’t have mattered-if Jackson won veto-he was going to save Holly and whoever else was on the block-Cliff or Nicole-would be evicted.
The ultimatums on the other hand, were just stupid and over the top. I for one am glad that Holly threw hoh and Nicole is going to be final 3, but that was pretty stupid. And she only did it because Jackson kept saying, “are you going to throw? When are you going to throw?” For someone who kept trying to say, I’m playing my own game, not Jackson’s-that was playing Jackson’s game. Why the hell wouldn’t Jackson want Holly safe-oh, I know, because Jackson knows that if Nicole is HOH and Cliff is the sole vote to evict, Ckiff is keeping Jackson over Holly.
Really it’s kind of the same thing Cliff was trying to set himself up for himselfr at final 4, the difference is, for Jackson it worked. Jackson ensured that Nicole was hoh and therefore would not be able cast the vote to evict. If Jackson wins veto, he’s safe, if Holly wins veto he’s safe and if Cliff wins veto he’s safe. If Nicole wins veto, Cliff votes and Jackson is safe.
Plus, if (most likely when) he and Holly make it to final 2, had she won this hoh, she would had added another comp win to her resume.
Throwing that hoh did not benefit Holly at all. She can be as mad as she wants-she’s the one who threw it just to keep Jackson happy.
One last thing, If the roles had been reversed last week and Jackson and Holly were in control of the vote, I think they would have held true to the final 4, but I dont think it would have had anything to do with loyalty. They knew that Tommy had a better chance of winning veto. If they felt threatened by either Nicole or Cliff, they would have sent that person packing without batting an eyelash.
Considering Holly brought up the topic of keeping Tommy over Cliff, I think they would have considered it. They wouldn’t have done it. They’d definitely have considered it, and made everyone jump through hoops about it. Name a week where they didn’t hold out a carrot and pull it away.
Holly was offered to give the same deal Tommy had already offered. This was mostly Cliff, an attempt to break any argument by Nicole to keep Tommy. In the end Nicole was defeated, by Cliffs mistaken , and ridiculous, belief in Ja kwon to keep him over Holly
Listening to Cliff & Jackson talk (with Holly just lying there in silence), all I could think was “Give me a break!” There is no way I see Cliff & Jackson communicating outside of this house unless they are at a CBS function at the same time
I just watched Sundays episode. Cliff deserves to go home Now. He’s an idiot. I cannot wait to see his reaction when he’s evicted Thursday. He betrayed even Nicole.
Except the cat is already out of the bag. Nobody can keep a secret this season
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I will skip past my criticism of casting and production involvement as they are blatant and often discussed and focus on gameplay.
First this growing trend of forming a super majority alliance at the start of the game makes watching boring and limits the ability to invest in an individuals gameplay.Since I personally disliked the Gr8ful/SixShooters alliance I was left with picking up the scraps of what was left over to root for which was pointless until the majority alliance imploded.And the pickings were very slim with Kat’s odd ball confusing gameplay,Sam’s inevitable ability to shoot himself in his own foot,Cliff’s frustrating deal making,waiting for Nicole to make a move.At one point during her HOH I was even rooting for Jess,JESS!One of the worst players in the history of BB.Naturally the implosion was inevitable,thank you Jackson.While Jackson is the last person I wanted to win,this is his season,though the specter of Christie hangs over the BB 21 house like a poltergeist.While I’m hoping Nicole can get herself to final 2 it looks inevitable that Jackson will get his showmance to the final 2 and be deserving of the win.
Secondly what I find annoying and frustrating is this attitude of fair gameplay where everyone pretends they’re family and love eachother.No,you left your family and the people you love to go play a game and win $500,000.You are supposed to lie and manipulate,that is the game.And doing so should be for game play not these fake personal friendships they say they will have once they leave the house.Stop the unnecessary BS,everyone is worried about their image on screen that they make themselves look worst in real life.I was not a fan of Dr. Will but he was brilliant for his gameplay which was honest and authentic in a lying and manipulative way,Today’s players want to play while pretending they’re not playing so they can be seen as the good guy.Ultimately it’s hard to respect someone’s dishonesty when they’re not honest about it.Own it and be proud of it,that’s Big Brother,or at least what it was and should be.