Head of Household: Marty
Nominations: Betty & Josh Hermon
POV Winner: Josh
Evicted: ?
New post so comments are refreshed. Thanks Another name and TTOTambz for the updates!
Head of Household: Marty
Nominations: Betty & Josh Hermon
POV Winner: Josh
Evicted: ?
New post so comments are refreshed. Thanks Another name and TTOTambz for the updates!
Random thought processes.
This has no impact on current game. This is just some of the bizarro stuff my brain does when watching the houseguests.
Hermon / Summer: Nobody telling her that she’s sloppy seconds to him, because he already made out with Steph and voted her out in the same week. sideye. Now he’s saying he would target her next week? To Gino. Really? Hey Hermon, Summer is also seconding for Gino outside the showmance. oops.
Summer, the most petty, crossed Betty the most bitter. Oh. This could be fun. If the vote stays where it is right now? Betty will remember, Summer will think water under the bridge…. yeah, one of those really wobbly old bridges that breaks.
Haleena isn’t running far enough or fast enough from Marty. She SHOULD have been grabbing on to Jace and not letting go the minute nominations were made. No, not as an alliance, as deniability. She’s seriously lost in the plot at this point, because Kevin is basically her game now. Marty is telling everyone Haleena is my final 2. Haleena should be saying that’s nice of him to say, but i never said HE was MY final 2.
The flip vote debacle. Someone asked Betty to play Big Brother not stand in line during a double…. she choked, causing three of five people to require Heimlich maneuvers. It wasn’t on feeds, but who did she blame to Gino. Of course it isn’t on feeds, it’s a Marty HOH and feeds are fukakta.
If you want your target to go home, get Moose to campaign for your target. Seriously the guy has the stink of sketchy all over him since week 2. And he earned it himself by naming his own alliance members as house targets to his sub alliance. Yup, Kyle helped after that, but Moose started the bus, put a brick on the gas, and jumped out under the tires of his own volition.
Betty. Glad a couple people talked her into campaigning for herself. Last night was Monday night and she was ready to pack and wait by the door. The best move given to her by Josh was attempt to get into a four with the showmance, and then we backstab them.
Josh should be sharing more with the Dummies. They’ve caught on. He is sharing tidbits of the knowledge equilaterally in the house to stay in the middle. It’s week 6. The tenability of that tactic ended a week ago. Ride the middle can still work, but share more.
Jace and Summer talking girl power has me in stitches. Who you two think you’re kidding?????????
ON THE BLOCK PROMISES: IMO any promise someone asks for when you are on the block for eviction… you can break because it isn’t a promise of equals, it’s someone standing on your throat and asking if you want air. Say what you have to say, do what you have to do to stay, then pick your poison for what deals you keep.
ON THE BLOCK TARGET NAMING: Idiocy everyone falls for. Here’s the outclause they never consider: “I’m on the block, so obviously my targeting skills are lacking. If I won HOH, I’d listen to each person that votes for me to stay, and then tally their choices for noms, and speak to them again to get their okay so that we as a group are running my HOH. If all but one person votes to keep me, that person doesn’t get a vote in the one on one talk lotto.” Reason to use this: You aren’t having anyone running around saying potential evictee A is targeting you to screw your campaigning. You are building a bridge / alliance in the minds of the voting group, so that they aren’t powerless if you get HOH. You aren’t targeting people voting you out, just saying their opinion has no weight in the group decision if you win HOH. But remember the on the block promises part. 🙂
Regarding your last thought on running an HOH screams gummy bears all over again from Aussie Tim. Loved how he ran that HOH.
Oh that’s just what a nominee should SAY they would do when asked who they are targeting. lol.
In practice, I’d rig the vote and take out my own target.
I do think Josh is telling Kevin more than Haleena – several times feeds have returned with Kev/Josh standing in a hallway downloading information. Which in fairness, Josh SHOULD do b/c Kev (and Haleena) worked their butt off to switch pyscho Marty’s vision toward Hermon and Kevin used the POV to save him which of course he should’ve given the CTD but he could’ve gained some agency in the game with Betty if he saved her.
I’m sure you also noticed in each of the last two (three?) episodes TPTB are playing segments of the ghost alliance and Kevin talked about the Crash Test Dummies on the last episode.
TUESDAY PM CAMPAIGN TRAIL
Today Betty campaigned to Jace, and Summer.
Today Moose campaigned for Hermon to Jace, Gino and Josh.
Tonight, Hermon started targeting Summer as part of his campaign to Jace, Gino and Josh.
Net loss of 4 votes to Hermon so far.
Projection: Hermon pushes Betty is pro female winner to Gino, Moose and Josh (already check Josh off, he did it a minute after I typed that).
OVERALL AND NIGHT TIME:
Hermon cam talk thinks he has 3 votes currently. He might have 1.
After Summer and Moose talked votes, he might not even have Moose, who is afraid of voting against majority.
Summer would love to still be in the swing seat. In her conversations with Hermon, she is acting like she still is.
Betty has asked Haleena about her relationship with Marty. Haleena says Marty has had groups all over the place throughout the game, and lots of groups of 4 everywhere. She isn’t sure why Marty keeps labelling her as his girl, but Hal started hearing him say it after chain of safety and she wonders if he’s painting a target on her. She says she’s cool with him, but. Haleena and Betty discuss the Siblings/Mandems overlap and exclusions (the reason Haleena voted out Tynesha, because she and Jess compared notes on that but weren’t working together).
Haleena is using week 3 acceptable lying in week 6. The lies are becoming transparent because she hasn’t done set up to sell them. Will BETTY BUY IT?
Jace and Summer discussed the jury value of a woman that wants a woman winner today.
Hermon and Summer are bed chatting. Hermon has revealed that he knows Summer made a deal with Marty for the vote. Summer surmises Moose told him that. Hermon denies, saying he knew Moose had a deal too.
BETTY BELIEVED the Haleena roadshow of poorly conceived lies. sideye. Gullible AF.
Summer is explaining her thoughts to Hermon. It’s a lot of deflection really, i’m bored with it. She’s voting Betty because Hermon brought it on himself. She has nothing with Marty, but repaired her relationship with Marty because of Kevin. Okay… between taking credit for things she didn’t do, and casting blame… that Jury speech would be screwed. Her game ownership is going to become a Jury thought.
THIS PART MAY BE QUESTIONABLE, I’m having allergy issues and the meds make me dopey… keep that in mind:
Betty and Josh are good with Kevin and Haleena. However, they also want to work with the Showmance as a final four. I think. They are good to ride to final four Betty says. Josh agrees. Betty hopes Kevin isn’t going to nominate Summer because Betty got Kevin mad at Summer last night.
Okay. yeah. definitely have lower IQ right now. Maybe that’s for the best because Betty’s clean game talk is starting to hit with a bitter tang of sanctimony and poppycock.
In my confusion, it sounds like these two are starting to buy their own press that they saved themselves this week. Oi flippety Vey.
Play fighting and pranks have started up again. While filling Gino’s waterpik with vinegar, Jace got some in Hermon’s eye. He doesn’t instantly go and flush his eye… yeah because whining it hurts for five minutes while 20 feet from a water source is productive. Eyeroll.
PSA for Vinegar in the eyes:
Immediately remove contacts if you wear them, and rinse the eye with room temp water in order to lessen the possibility of redness, irritation and possible corneal damage.
Hermon’s target list: Marty, Summer, Kevin, Haleena, Showmance order subject to change depending on audience.
Betty’s target list: Marty.
Betty still won’t campaign to Moose so he doesn’t twist her words to Hermon and the house.
Hermon still won’t campaign to Kevin and Haleena because they’re not cool.
(Now that Josh is THE floater of the season, he can attach himself to either side of the house, and controls the flow of information most of the time. But is he a great floater? NO. Because his reveal of need to know info doesn’t happen and that’s becoming sketchy. When even BETTY calls you out on little lies and keeping secrets? Not a GREAT just a GOOD).
To your last point – – I do believe Josh is most committed to CTD & Betty (his ideal F4 b/c he can beat them in all the comps). And, I also think your observation is why the Ghosts don’t want to take him to F3 b/c they realize he’s not fully sharing & also how good his position is all over the house & that would equate to a landslide in jury votes.
I think he WAS most committed to the dummies… well, Kevin. Haleena? He could care less. He’d far prefer Betty in that role if her game style could mesh with theirs because as much as Josh wants to middle play, he doesn’t actually want to get his OWN hands dirty. I’m not against Josh when I say that. It’s just my observation of the game style he is wanting to play vs. the gamestyle his character allows him to play.
We’re entering jury (there’s bound to be a weird catch wherein i expect a juror return to the game or a fake eviction), So i’m taking a moment to analyze the games of the pre-jury evicted.
Melina: Would have been a credible comp threat most likely (if my quick research was accurate, she rec’d a physical fitness and ability award in police foundations before her first major switch). However, she lacked social ability. To the extreme.
Jay: squandered their week one safety. Partied it up with Jace and Steph. Tried to flip the vote to save Melina. They wanted to be the new Gary was my read. Calling out targets before the veto is played is dumb. In what not to do in two weeks of Big Brother, they checked every box.
Steph: Dating show. Probably could have been a credible comp threat. Strategically? beyond wanting to showmance I didn’t see strategy. Her major problem though: She was on the block as the safe one during Kyle’s HOH. She was taken out because Kyle’s HOH SUCKED.
Kyle: had the advantage of the twitterverse loving him pregame. Entered the large alliance, and had 2 backup alliances. BLEW THEM ALL TO HELL. Let’s be crucial: Blowing up ONE of the alliances would be smart if he felt he was on the bottom of the pecking order. Blowing up ALL of his alliances? Begging to be cut. He had excellent get around game (there were times I could swear he was in 2 different rooms schmoozing simultaneously in week two). He created the alliance he was afraid of during his HOH. He was too obsessed with his own potential. Realistically, when your final 2 puts you on the block because you are too toxic in the game? Bad.
Tynesha: I never got the fuss. Was she likeable? Yup. Was she a strategic and social mastermind? No. Played the Tynesha has a daughter card as social currency. A likeable House guest, that basically was given more credit in the game than she deserved, and it cost her. Did she have ANY alliance where she didn’t tier level her allies? Season tone strikes again.
Jess: A social oddball. Despite what Twitter has to say, I don’t think they were actually THAT bad given house dynamics and season tone. They personalized everything, and twisted every game move to be about targeting them… but once in a while they showed a good grasp of strategy when they got out of their own way. I STILL think the Sunday night late night talk off feeds with Marty broke them. Now that we’ve seen what Marty is capable of when his med schedule isn’t kept… try to argue with me on that one. They were capable in comps. They were nominated in a double that was production rigged (an outgoing HOH not allowed to compete in a NON HOH Comp? That is crap, they should have been incapable to play in redlight greenlight, the next HOH comp). They were evicted in a failed Vote flip (Betty choked). I think they checked out as of Sunday and WANTED the hell out, but an HOH quitting is unheard of.
Overall: We started with a Huge alliance of 7 week one and two (5 POC, 2 being women added to 2 white guys), with an undertone of gender and race worry regarding non equal representation defining who was on the bottom of the ladder. The alliance never ALL met together. 6 met once. This set a tone for the season. WEEK ONE ALWAYS SETS A TONE, and we NEVER get to SEE it. The tone set in week one of the game seems to be based on not only race and gender, but also comp wins defining who deserves to be in the game.
When half of the pre-jury evicted houseguests have to go private on their social media because of toxic fandom gone wild…. we have a problem.
Wednesday am
As of noon bbt Hermon has one vote.
Josh’s overextension is starting to show. Trying to be good with everyone is keeping him from affirming the new final 4 with Gino and Jace, because he’s busy trying to set deniability with Moose for why he’s voting Hermon out. I’d be sketched if I were one of the people waiting for 45 minutes and Josh never shows. This could cost Betty if Gino and Jace feel devalued.
Kevin thinks he and Haleena need to wait for Gino and Jace to make them an offer. Kevin, get off your high horse unless you are intentionally setting up Haleena for a fall. The showmance with 3 comp wins and coolkid egos aren’t coming to clubfoot and one veto weirdboy with hat in hand. Kevin tells Haleena that part of Betty’s pitch was to make a final 4 with the showmance, but it’s fake.
Summer has confirmed her vote to Betty. Betty kept the talk mostly on oh Summer are you still missing Tynesha rather than future game plan.
Moose is pissy. I think it comes to this, he considers himself a mastermind, and nobody is giving him their mind to master. Given how many wrong things and bad reads he had yesterday…. no clue why at all.
The final 4 with showmance, Betty and Josh is still on hold because Josh didn’t show. OVER an hour with Moose? Sketch.
Jace doesn’t want to name any alliances, because every named alliance she was in during early game ended a week later.
Currently many in the house are still targeting Marty. All would vote him out, but not all would nominate him.
Moose is climbing that ladder. He’s still got week 2 Stink. Sketchball in early game has a really hard road to lose the sketch moniker.
Summer? She’s actually taken a hit. She’s viewed as not reliable now.
The only functioning alliance right now is still the Dummies. However, Josh is pulling back and sharing even less info because the heat got too hot on the other two that took the heat so that Josh could remain under cover. If Josh could replace Haleena with Betty in that alliance, he’d be ALL OVER IT.
Josh’s lack of get around could potentially cause a waffle. That’s just me saying that, there’s no evidence at this point.
WEDNESDAY Recap then Noms and Veto EPISODE
Recapping a to be continued?
That feels wrong. Stupid wrong.
COULD BE FUKAKTA EDIT…. WAIT AND SEE. There’s too many relationships on the feed that don’t exist in the edit that were important this week.
NOMINATION DELIBERATION: Spin the Bottle of Whackyjuice
Marty pity party tantrum with hours of feed block.
Kevin d/r selective memory of Marty is fine with me.
Josh d/r they had a good relationship… um. well.
Marty is lost in Jessville thinking everything is a trap for him.
Betty d/r don’t want to talk to Marty.
Betty not out to get Marty. Do what you have to do.
Marty d/r oops Gino is upset. derp…. ya think?
Marty promises his hoh to Gino. Three men is Gino’s wish. Josh Moose noms are Gino’s preference. WELLLLL, If Marty meant it that should have been the end….. NOPE..
Marty / Moose. wants to take Moose up on his promise to be the pawn.
Moose weaseling.
Moose d/r nominate both targets. His promise… was that ever aired?
Marty didn’t have kick your feet up issues on week two… anyone else notice that?
NOMINATIONS or Delusional Projections? You decide.
Gino and Jace’s options aren’t best for Marty’s Paranoia.
JOSH BETTY NOMS.
Josh and Betty set a big trap for poor victim Marty who self victimizes some more about being a potential target going forward.
Betty pops off. Marty isn’t accountable.
Marty is annoyed the Canada’s Hero was questioned. You know that.
Betty d/r: Marty is a liar.
Moose comes up to kiss ass to keep from fulfilling his pawn promise if veto is used.
Marty really is gullible and paranoid.
Josh d/r pissed. AGE? Really? nu-huh.
Summer goes to HOH. Her d/r is total bullshit. She was trying to spin to keep herself from being renom as well.
Marty Summer argument... We see a clip of the Sunday night feedblock debacle. We see more of Wendy’s. Summer blows up after being thrown out of the HOH.
What we know: during Wendy’s, no. But did she later (after veto) push just about every house member as a renom to save Tynesha? You bet your ass she did.
This caused another LONG FEED BLOCK.
No VETO picks shown. MMKay…. who broke the wheel?
Veto: Summer/Gino/Betty/josh/Kevin
Head to Head Veto.
POST VETO
What is this tear stuff from Josh? What is this? OHHH yeah. again… NO Dummies alliance revealed… only alliance in the house but okay.
Haleena is happy, wants Hermon out. WHAT’S MISSING? Marty was going to renom Hermon before VETO. Haleena is using logic. Haleena is doing this for the GHOSTS.
Tagteaming the Gullible Paranoid Guy…. Now Kevin is braintwisting Marty.
CRASH TEST DUMMIES REVEAL NOW?????? Screwy timing. Negates first half of the episode D/R’s and Josh’s post veto tears. OOOOPS continuity police screwed up.
Kevin says Hermon being close to Gino is bad for the 5. Let’s test Gino is Marty’s response. 8 minutes remain in the episode.
Gino is suspicious. Hermon should be the target. Gino says smart game move. Gino is just agreeing to be agreeable with KOOKOO for COCOAPUFFS.
Hermon is being kept in the dark. Kevin isn’t supposed to use veto in the con. Claims Summer will be renom. Kevin isn’t a backstabber.
HERMON D/R safety week. Get rid of Summer, and break the deal with Marty next week. Hermon thinks he’s going to win. Yeesh.
TO BE CONTINUED AGAIN???????? Sweet thundering Horsemen in Tubetops… WHY? They gonna recap the recap of the first to be continued before recapping the second to be continued before getting to the Noms… aren’t they?
OY GEVALT!
BY THE WAY
feeds down since an HOUR BEFORE THIS EPISODE.
WED PM CAMPAIGN
So much posthumous equine battery.
So Betty talked to Moose. He said he was thinking of keeping Betty because Hermon cut him loose last week. He’ll tell her tomorrow which way he is voting so she will know if there is a rogue vote it’s not him. Telegraph much?
Haleena is still mad at Hermon calling her a floater and lumping her in with Kevin when Jace is her secret final 2 ride or die. She said this to Jace, don’t get confused. Hermon talked to Haleena. didn’t pitch for her vote.
Hermon is still trying to swing Summer. Hermon says he’d be a better pawn than Betty. sideye. Yeah. Use Hermon as a pawn…. Yeah, he’s not going to pull a Moose to get out of it. eyeroll.
Hermon has no idea how Josh is going to vote, but knows Josh lost a lot of trust in Hermon because of all Hermon’s side projects. looked to the left and snickered.
Moose wants to confront Marty about saying there was a men’s final 4 when Kyle was in the house. There was… only Moose was kicked out and replaced with Hermon when they made it a final four. Hermon should NOT want this called out. Neither should Gino. The entire house already KNOWS it existed.
Moose post dinner is bringing up real world Kyle stuff. Josh stops him and says no.
Moose goes on about Kyle in the game and feeds are cut. Feed cuts are very much in the realm of dead horses anymore.
Tomorrow, Hermon wants to pull Moose, Josh, Gino and Jace into a room to give them the season 6 Jesse woke speech.
Still thinking that episode edit was, how do i say this, a crime against continuity.
If anything interesting happens, I’ll do a catch up post later or tomorrow morning. Cheers.
Don’t know if this qualifies as mess. Well it does. It just shouldn’t qualify as game mess when it’s prodomess.
Gino is being flirted at by Summer. He’s enjoying it but knows Jace is getting pissed.
Sounds like he inferred to Summer that production arranged the showmance and he didn’t have a choice?
Well, he had a choice. Steph or Jace. This one isn’t as fake as the Kaela / Derek mance in season 6 (oh get OFF the pot, that was SOOOOOOO fake), because at least Jace thinks it’s real.
Jace calls him into s/r to tell him he’s making her look like the butt of a joke with this constant behavior. He says it wasn’t his fault, it’s all Summer.
Um.
Kevin stoking Jace’s fire before she talks to Gino is a special kind of messy of the game variety.
However, this isn’t game for the most part, this is drgremlin drgremlining for storyline and an idiot outing the d/r. and not for the first time, just the most explicit case.
For Summer’s part? Completely intentional. So, she’s gonna poke the jealous showmance girl that’s won two comps to her zero… when the showmance girl has gained all the allies Summer has lost since Monday night? Oh. Hmmm. Yeah, Gino ain’t saving Summer’s ass from the block if Jace wins power. At this point if he tries he’ll join her.
She’s also doing this so she has a reason to keep Hermon part of my head tells me.
Feeds of course are down while they re-educate Gino on the contract and talking about production, and re-educate Jace on the contract and saying multiple times she’ll slap someone.
Feeds return to Summer saying that if Kevin took off his glasses and put the hat back on like a few days ago, he could probably get it right now.
Moose btw, is worrying about Betty’s power being used, and Moose going on the block as replacement nom. He’s asking Gino for his vote if that happens. It sounds to me like Moose is backing away from keeping Hermon because Summer and Josh are out.
Summer is starting to switch back to Hermon staying again. The thought of losing one of her men is getting to her.
Final campaign call of Wednesday night
Summer just told Jace she is leaning to vote to keep Betty. Hermon made good points though… let’s remind everyone that cams went off in that bedroom and came back with Summer saying see, I knew I shouldn’t showmance or flirtmance. Yeah. They made out imo. That’s the good point. Horny Summer got a fix and wants more.
Jace just told Summer the mance is leaning to vote to keep Betty (Jace likes keeping someone that would like a female winner).
Hermon wants to talk to the mance.
Hermon thinks he has the numbers because he’s been working on Summer for 2 hours.
Thinks Josh will go with the numbers.
Jace says you’d be great for a shield, but without eveyone KNOWING where the vote is going, nobody wants to declare anything.
Gino would rather if everyone talked it through for themselves without Hermon.
Gino won’t blindside Hermon, he’ll tell him his decision when he has it.
Hermon says it HAS to be a 5-2 vote. He’s surprised he has to work so hard for votes, he shouldn’t have to beg.
The showmance want to talk with Summer and Josh.
(Jace earlier told Haleena that Summer changing her mind and being non committal AGAIN is what they hold in the pocket to turn Betty against Summer… so….)
Kevin has told Moose that sympathy voting Hermon makes him a target. Moose feels bad.
FOR A FEW MINUTES, IT FELT LIKE ANOTHER FLIP WAS POSSIBLE.
That’s on Gino and Josh actually.
The invisbile man and mr. silence. Does Gino wonder if he can have his cake (Hermon) and keep his cake (Josh) too????
Remember: They just made a final four that includes Betty. Today. Jace caught up to Josh when he finally got away from Moose and verified the deal. So… what’s the need to talk about?
Gino and Jace verify that they will tell Hermon tomorrow, but Gino wants to talk to Josh first. He tried earlier but Kevin talkblocked, then Moose showed up and the moment passed.
END OF WEDNESDAY
Something I think I failed to communicate:
Moose, last week told his red room allies to vote to keep Tynesha.
Moose, this week is saying his allies betrayed him by not voting to keep him.
More Moostake? We’ll see.
THURSDAY EVICTION DAY
Fridge is padlocked and they are on slop.
That to me indicates….. Buzzkilled HOH?
Josh reacts very poorly to the news of slop.
Hermon’s speech includes he’s not a finance manager… he’s an exterminator.
He calls Marty the head of the snake serial backstabber, and calls Kevin and Haleena the body of the snake, rogue vote 1 and rogue vote 2. (ed. remember… Hermon is a rogue voter in week 2).
It also includes calling out the five names of the five votes he wants/expects.
This entire doesn’t just want safety but wants to rub it in Marty’s face egotrip is an eyeroll at this point. Can’t just have the 4 votes. Has to have 5. why? EGO.
HERE IS THE CAMPAIGN PROGRESSION THAT WE SAW FROM MONDAY TO THIS MORNING.
NOTES:
in case the comp IS indeed Buzzkilled2.0
Remember: Season 7 the taller houseguests had an advantage. Adam (6’4″) mentioned being able to see the reflection of the lights overhead on the floor, and knew when the timer was getting close because the reflection turned from white to red. He also claimed to be able to see the movement behind the two way mirror after the comp
In terms of reaction times thus far: Gino, Moose and surprisingly Betty have been shown to have very quick reaction times (Betty on night one buzzer as well as reaction time to movement when the phone rang, other people were just faster getting to the phone, but her reactions were quickest).
If it isn’t Buzzkilled… never mind.
HOH overview:
Josh has already talked about not wanting to win (he’s back in the new middle if Hermon leaves so doesn’t want to rock the boat). A couple of others are weighing options about whether this is a good one to win because they want Marty gone but don’t want to nom him themselves. This opens the door for people motivated to win.
Who is least motivated? Gino and Josh. Gino doesn’t actually WANT to nom Marty (he’ll vote him out but doesn’t want to nom). Gino thinks they are sweet spot with everyone wanting to work with them. Josh, as mentioned before, thinks he is sweet spot with everyone since he’s in the middle.
Houseguests most at risk as of Wednesday night:
Marty and Moose are prime targets.
Summer and Haleena are pawn talk.
I’ve done up two charts for post HOH since there is still a chance of a flip. Will post the new alliance and deal chart with the Eviction episode review. Ciao.
THURSDAY 04/07 THOUGHTS & UPDATES
Gino’s self-driven game:
Have you noticed how Gino is sooooooooooooooo quick to forgive any wrongdoing from Josh & Summer but isn’t so understanding with Kevin & Haleena? The ghosts have done much more actively to help the showmance with votes & in the case of Tynesha voting her out b/c that’s what Gino wanted. In contrast, Summer has told MULTIPLE people she wants to break up the showmance including Jess & Marty while Josh has been caught in a couple of sticky situations like the Expedia vote-out Gino discussion.
Showmance has alliances with everyone but Moose:
While the showmance now has a F4 with Josh/Betty, F4 with Josh/Summer, and F5 with Marty & the ghosts you have to think at some point that’s going to get outed. After this week things would get really sticky for them if they won HOH.
This week they can put up Moose & Summer (I think that would be their move – in order to back door Marty) and hope someone wins POV so Marty goes up. We know Summer would lose her sh*t if she was put OTB but G/JL would tell them both they are only going up to keep Marty calm b/c he’s the backdoor target. And if Summer gets pissy they can tell her they KNOW she’s pushed for them to be the targets.
After this week, if Marty goes it will be much tougher for them to win b/c they’ll have to expose which of the alliances they are really tied to. Kev/Hal won’t like Gino backdooring Marty but they’ll go along to get along if they can’t shift Gino off it. Doubtful they nominate Kev/Hal b/c that would show they are turning on the alliance (and show Josh b/c he knows about it) versus not putting up Moose/Summer or even Betty all of whom said they would target the showmance.
Hermon eviction speech:
Feeds were cut fairly quickly today but we got Hermon practising his speech. It might change once Gino & Josh tell him they’re NOT keeping him. But if he uses the speech he’s planning I’m not sure it would do anything to help him.
He’s going to say this is directed at “ONLY THE FIVE HOUSE GUESTS WHO MATTER … GINO, SUMMER, MOOSE, JACE & JOSH” I’m really an exterminator outside the house & you need me b/c we have a snake in the house – MARTY but the body of the snake is his number 1 and 2 — Kevin and Haleena who were the people who made the rogue votes week 2 and 5.
Doubtful any of the hamsters get upset about his Marty comments but I’m not sure attacking Kevin & Haleena will go over very well. Besides Hermon doesn’t know who made the rogue votes — he has Hal right but JESS made the rogue vote week 2. If I’m Kevin & Haleena I push to the others remember how he wanted the Josh vote to be 5-4 or 6-3 so he could blame Kevin for his vote? Doesn’t him saying this have you wondering if he was the rogue vote both times?
Josh painting himself thin:
Like the showmance, Josh has deals everywhere – F4 with Betty/showmance, F4 with Summer/showmance (Honey Bunch), F3 with the Ghosts (and I suspect they want Betty as the F4 in that group). And he’s still playing up to Marty they are F2 plus playing to Moose they are aligned as Hermon’s soldiers.
While Another Name accurately points out Josh isn’t doing enough downloading of intel to the Dummies (accurate) I do sort of think he’s telling Kevin more than we’ve seen b/c as I noted earlier I’ve witnessed several occasions where feeds return to Kev/J in a hallway or the pantry downloading intel quickly so I’m starting to think Kevin isn’t telling Hal b/c he sees how insulated Josh is & knows how many people love him so he’d rather cut him earlier than F3.
The Ghosts have talked about taking Marty/Gino or Marty/Jace to F4 and I suspect that will change. I do understand why they want Marty b/c he’s a beast at comps, a shield for them, and as a target & leaving before they would if nominated together. But it also makes sense (as frigging annoying as Marty is for the fan base) to keep him b/c NO ONE would vote for him in jury.
The other reason why I believe Josh is still tied to CTD more than the others is the little hints he offers that require reading between the lines:
Finally, when Betty is so hyped about the F4 with the showmance his face tells the entire story. You can see his mind moving a million miles a minute as he’s trying to figure out if he should go along with this plan or tell Betty they can’t be trusted. At one point I thought he might say to her but think about how much it took to shift the showmance to vote for you whereas Kevin & Haleena were the first two to tell you IMMEDIATELY you were safe. Maybe we work with them but personally, I trust Kev/Hal more after this week.
He never did that but then again he knows Betty isn’t great at keeping secrets & he can’t afford to tell her all the alliances he’s in with Gino/Jace or all the alliances he’s aware of that they are in. Instead, I suspect he’ll wait until the time is right to strike & then expose that information saying – I didn’t buy into the Honey Bunch but I figured we’d go along & test the waters to see if JL/G were loyal to us but now that I’ve learned they have alliances with everyone it means we need to back door Gino b/c he can’t be trusted.
Who each hamster is closest to, would nominate/backdoor if they win HOH:
(heads up — super long post)
On the surface, this week is fairly simple for most of the house as everyone except the Ghosts wants to back door, Marty. The variance would be who gets nominated initially. Some have told others their noms & in some cases, it’s my gut feel…
Summer: Entering this week Summer was probably the safest person in the house and least likely to be a target but how she acted last week by naming specific people & trying to get Gino/Marty/Haleena/Kevin all on the block instead of herself or Tynesha took a toll. Hermon told enough people how she refused to use POV on him if she had played but wanted him to pick her so she could add it to her resume only served to make the others recognize how selfish she was.
Her actions this week only served to amplify that perception by putting her closest ally in the house in a situation where she wouldn’t promise her vote & wanted a list of “what she would do for her” in order to get that vote. The resulting effect is she pissed off both Hermon & Betty & you can bet Betty won’t forget that when she needs a pawn in the future.
Because she was worried about going OTB she went on a rant about Kevin thinking he was smarter than her & she wasn’t into his schmoozing BS. But by week’s end, he was the person who I think gained momentum as an ally with her. Kevin pushed her to make up with Marty so she wasn’t his target moving forward (she brought this up to Hermon during one of his pitches noting how Kev had her best interest at heart & Hermon didn’t).
IF she wins HOH she will nominate Moose & Betty (that’ll go over well) who offered to be her pawn & then back door Marty. Although — as I’ve noted about Josh/Betty it wouldn’t be surprising if Kevin tried to get her to look at Gino & push Marty as someone that would protect her moving forward more than Gino ever would.
Don’t think Summer hasn’t noticed how she’s lost her safety position in the house. Two weeks of feeling scared about going OTB changed how she’s played– well in fairness it just made her strategy more pronounced. Until she lands on the block she won’t show empathy to anyone who is on it & anyone who is, including allies (Hermon/Betty) were expected to give her the sun, moon & stars for her vote. The irony is if she was OTB she would’ve expected them to help pitch for her to stay & would’ve been offended if either of them had treated her the way she treated them (especially Betty).
She’s also upped her touchy/feely time with Gino which is pissing Jace the F off & it probably won’t change anytime soon as Kev & the others will keep pushing for her to do it. The irony about this dynamic is once Marty & Moose are gone & possibly even before the others she would target Gino or if the showmance were on the block she would keep Jace (who can’t stand her). Listen- if she wasn’t automatic to keep Hermon there is NO WAY she’d be more open to keeping Gino.
As for allies – Gino does like her & is probably the most invested in keeping her around but clearly has an issue b/c Jace will want Summer out possibly even ahead of Moose. Betty & Hermon were her two closest allies heading into this week but she’ll lose Hermon & because of her actions she’s lost Betty with Hal/Kev moving ahead of her and Josh replacing her.
Prior to this week I do believe Betty would’ve taken her to F2 but Summer’s lack of empathy, loyalty and selfishness completely shattered her position with Betty who would’ve pushed/insisted to Josh they be F3 — that’s over. Kevin played her the best this week catching onto the fact that the only thing that moves Summer is doing something FOR HER & capitalized.
First, he was the one to get her to talk to Marty to fix their falling out then he walked with her for about 30 minutes playing up how females seldom get respect for playing similar games to men plus noted if Hermon stayed she’d likely be sitting beside him OTB but if he left she’d be safer. Summer is reading this like Kevin is invested in keeping her safe when in reality he was doing this just to push ahead his agenda (take out Hermon & begin planting the seeds to keep Marty safe as a shield for her).
Jace: The humorous part about JL is she thinks that she’s playing this amazing game & has no clue all the things happening in her favor are b/c she’s tied to Gino AND b/c the CTD are driving the house to take out who they want which just coincides (for now) with her preferences.
Her nominations would be Summer and Moose with Marty as the back door.
Moving forward, Jace is keener to keep females around so that’s why she’s all about this F4 with Betty/Josh b/c Betty told her she wants a woman to win so in a house where the alpha males all seem to want to work together Betty telling her that means she’ll keep Jace over Gino. This also punctuates how little Jace understands about everyone else’s true agenda b/c the Dummies would ALL vote out Gino over Jace & so would Summer.
She said some pretty disparaging bratty things about Kev/Hal “I mean we didn’t come to the house to play with people LIKE THEM” especially after they were the reason Tynesha left. As much as Jace wants to keep females around after Marty it wouldn’t be surprising if Summer is ahead of even Moose as her next target.
The other oddity is for as much as Jace made the comments about Kev/Hal they are the two people she hangs out with when she’s not on top of Gino so I doubt she’d be able to put them up at least in the next few weeks.
As for allies other than Gino the funny thing is Marty is probably the one person who would want to take her deep in the game. Haleena MIGHT — but ONLY if Gino was gone.
Gino: His nominations would be almost identical to Jace — the question is whether he’d put up Summer to appease Jace or if he’d veer to someone else. He can’t put up Betty if this F4 deal is cemented & if he puts up Kev or Haleena then he gives Marty the heads up the F5 isn’t real & ditto for The Ghosts.
As for the F4 with Josh/Betty, I’m not sure he’s as invested in it as Jace but these two flip off alliances & ideas as quickly as a snap of the fingers. The truth is Gino really likes Josh often saying “let me talk to Josh first” and forgives him for any wrongdoing — as he does Summer. Kevin makes him laugh and he’s closer to him than he is to Haleena but I’m still not convinced he wouldn’t target Betty ahead of Haleena.
If he won HOH besides Moose (and assuming he could avoid Jace’s wrath to keep Summer safe) I could see him saying to Betty you did say you were okay being a pawn so I’m taking you up on that … and if he does that then Betty would quickly move off trusting the F4 with the showmance of course with Josh saying see I knew we couldn’t trust them.
I wonder how much Gino buys into any of these alliances knowing Summer & Betty have both said his name. Moose will be the next name after Marty on his list. The question is how invested he is in Kev/Hal and in truth it may come down to who gets the chance to strike first.
As noted, he loves Josh BUT much could change depending on who wins HOH this week. If Kev or Hal go OTB Josh will need to show his hand if he wins POV to save them — a little easier with Kev as it can be played off as paying back this week. It might not happen this week but very soon Josh’s actions will start to show & you have to think the Dummies will have a tougher time keeping their alliance hidden much longer.
What COULD save them is if this week Marty goes & a double eviction occurs next week if the Dummies won HOH & struck with a backdoor of Gino tell me Josh doesn’t get Betty to vote out Gino & Summer doesn’t jump on that action too. In the event that happens, the Dummies can play it off as it was a great chance to take out a comp beast.
Kev/Hal could sell it to Jace that they felt the showmance turned against their F5 by pushing Marty’s eviction & they still want to work with her but since they (Jace/Gino) turned on the 5 they didn’t feel obliged to protect the 5 any longer although they still want to work with her over Moose, Josh, Betty & Summer. And sure she’d be pissed at losing her showmance/meat shield but Summer isn’t invested in her & Josh will pull Betty with him I’m guessing to make a F4 with the Ghosts.
As for allies, Gino is liked by virtually everyone in the house but no one would take him to F2 or want him getting deep into the game. The conversation the Ghosts had about going to F4 with G & Marty felt more production-driven b/c it truly doesn’t make sense to keep Gino over Betty, Summer or Jace.
Betty: Easy choice for her – Moose & Summer OTB with Marty back door. Summer will lose her sh*t but how she handled the situation with Betty this week was forgiven but will NEVER be forgotten.
As for the Marty backdoor in the case of both Betty & Josh, I’m of the opinion the Ghosts will push Josh (& by extension) Betty if the opportunity is there to take out Gino instead via the back door since it would be a prime opportunity. It would require the Ghosts to get Marty to make a promise on a family member or something to ensure he wouldn’t target Betty/Josh if he won HOH the following week & go after Moose/Summer & Jace instead.
Betty is super invested in this new F4 with the showmance but Josh is her true #1 & since she’s easily turned 180 the entire game at the drop of a dime I doubt it would take much to switch her targets especially if he exposes the showmance has F4 or F5 deals with everyone in the house except Moose which is super shady.
Josh: See above he’ll put up Summer/Moose & indicate he’s targeting Marty but the Dummies will tell him it’s time to strike with a back door of Gino. Josh is most in jeopardy if Moose wins HOH presumably although he’ll need to find new footing in the house with Hermon leaving.
If Josh doesn’t put up Gino in a back door scenario or can’t explain why then the CTD will likely target him much sooner than they had planned.
Josh has ties everywhere in the house even with Moose although I’m not sure how many are true. Gino definitely wants to take him deep in the game, Betty adores him, while IMHO his true allies are the Dummies & Betty.
Haleena: The easy part of the equation is Moose & I’m assuming the second would be Summer who she’ll tell you are just a pawn there is a back door in play. Summer won’t like it but it is what it is. Haleena can’t put up Betty b/c of Josh or the showmance b/c of the F5 so it limits her initial noms.
Hal took a big hit this week b/c of Marty implying she was his F2 & hasn’t done a great job of attacking that immediately. She did up her talks in this regard on Wednesday discussing being upset by him doing this with Betty, Jace, & Moose (maybe Summer?).
She’s noting how Marty has deals everywhere & she feels like he’s saying this to paint a target on her & cover his ass. What she SHOULD have said is it’s news to me that I’m his F2 b/c I never discussed it with him & he certainly isn’t my F2 – Jace is. That would’ve served two purposes — put it on the record Marty is expecting reciprocation for saving her in the Safety Chain & in the event she got nominated hopefully have Jace (not Kevin or Josh) sitting beside her who would be voted out ahead of her.
Hal made a point of talking to Moose a couple of times – prepping to pull him to her & Kevin. She told him how Kev worked the house to ensure Moose stayed & brought up how they’ve worked with each other. She subtly reminded him he stayed over Tynesha b/c OF HER VOTE. It was one of her better social moves b/c others are NOT working to pull Moose to them.
The other was immediately telling Betty she had her vote & giving her information to show she trusts Betty. For the moment Betty may be starry-eyed over the showmance F4 but she isn’t looking at Kev/Hal before Moose, Summer, or Marty and Josh will work her to make sure the showmance isn’t ahead of Kev/Hal either.
Clearly, her main ally is Kevin, and while Josh is in the Dummies I believe she would want to keep Betty and possibly Jace even ahead of him.
She’s in an odd position with Hermon pushing the Kev/Hal noms – back door Marty agenda but he’s being voted out & I still don’t think the showmance would put them OTB b/c of what it would expose. They aren’t happy about the Expedia conversation but it’s hypocritical of them since they’ve had the very same conversations about others including the Dummies & Marty even before last week.
Kevin: Although he makes some silly choices at times overselling to certain people or missing opportunities to make moves he’s become my favorite of this season’s hamsters. He’s funny, intelligent & while I’ve abhorred the rat in past seasons perhaps b/c he told us he would turn on allies it’s more acceptable. AND in truth – he was the first hamster to overtly go out of their way to save an ally that wasn’t a publicly known tied knowing he took a personal hit for saving Josh. He’s also fine with being painted negatively & lets things go like Moose saying his name.
Although it’s not a big deal now – moving forward to jury each individual will remember these small gestures where he displayed forgiveness, empathy, or kindness.
While the house often vacillates on their thoughts about Kevin the truth is he makes them all laugh & his whispers in ears have been the most effective out of anyone. Hermon said “Marty thinks he’s running this house but he’s NOT I am.” or Gino telling Kevin “I have ears everywhere in this house Kevin – I know everything that is going on”.
Those two comments made me laugh out loud b/c the truth is Kevin is probably directing the house & knowing the most in the house. If the CTD or Ghosts get to the end I have a feeling they’ll be more impressed by Kevin than Josh and credit him over either Josh or Haleena for the moves they directed. I could be wrong but I think if Kevin explains it as the Ghosts were created first and then Hal/Kev went to Josh to create CTD which will make him appear as the mastermind of the trio. Plus, the fact Josh worked the middle all game while Kevin allowed himself to be viewed as an easy target & aligned to the 5 will be viewed as more difficult to navigate.
People like Summer, Hermon, Moose & Gino IMHO will all be impressed by how Kevin dictated what happened while appearing naive & out of the loop. In a season where every named alliance got exposed a week after it was created the fact he had the Ghosts & CTD remain hidden will likely again be credited to him.
While Marty has told Hal she’s his true F2 I’m not convinced he wouldn’t take Kevin. Ditto for Josh (if Betty isn’t there) and Haleena b/c they’ve been together since Day 2 or 3.
Moose: So the only person I’m not sure of what he would do is Moose. He’s been quick to say the same things as Hermon (Kev/Hal noms, back door Marty) BUT with Hermon leaving he is on an island and needs every friend he can get.
The people who are reaching out and offering an olive branch are Haleena & Kevin. He knows Summer is full of sh*t & won’t trust her after she turned on Hermon. He’s also not keen on the showmance although he plays it up with them he was quick to tell Josh it’ll be you Hermon & me in an alliance with the showmance but we’ll cut them after Marty.
If he were to win HOH everyone would throw EVERYONE UTB and he might just do what the house wants to back door Marty … BUT could Kevin or Josh or Hal get into his ear that the best initial noms would be Summer (for turning on Hermon when she was the one person openly aligned with him) & Betty – then push the better back door would be Gino?
Because he came across as so shady early in the game it will be hard for him to gain any traction with anyone. HOWEVER — b/c he’s a lone wolf could that play to his benefit especially if he can prove he’s reliable? Doubtful – he’ll still be the pawn in almost every scenario but aligning with the showmance is only doing what everyone else is so he’d have to make a big move & backdooring Marty would only serve to play the showmance’s game which is what I suspect Hal/Kev/& or Josh will pitch.
We’ll find out soon enough – once we know the HOH.
THURSDAY EVICTION EPISODE
Who will be potential Juror number ONE?
Will the episodes stop being cliffhangers once Marty is out of power… or is this the new abnormal?
I’ve seen a spoiler. I’m still not convinced. Either the storyline becomes Former Savage 7 vs. Outsiders or the storyline becomes overlapping pairs trying to leverage power. That’s what this eviction ACTUALLY tells us.
RECAPPING RECAPS
and I’m not taking part in documenting that.
Arisa says jury house will be open and the HOH is Buzzkilled tonight.
VETO CEREMONY
Josh: please use it on me, but do what’s best for you
Betty: I value you. I respect any decision.
Kevin: I have decided…..pause…. to use the power of veto on Josh.
Superstitious. I don’t want to break a pattern.
Marty says Hermon. Dance your way right back on the block.
Josh d/r didn’t think Kevin would use it???? Um. He KNEW. What is going on with the Josh edit????? This is so creepy off.
Kevin d/r: this has been Kevin and Haleena’s HOH.
Hermon: slippery snaky shit Marty.
Haleena says she didn’t know. It’s about Jess. d/r welllll. welcome to the party.
Hermon: textbook backstabbing. Kevin admits knowing Hermon was going on the block.
POST NOMINATIONS
Summer and Betty kept their cool. Moose is upset (as revealed in d/r).
Betty and Summer comfort Moose. Betty calls him a liar.
MARTY HERMON CHAT
Marty says game move. Hermon is target. Marty only trusts 2 people.
Hermon asks for public acknowledgement of Backstabber status.
Phone ringing as Arisa comes back on camera. oops.
CAMPAIGNING…
MONDAY CAMPAIGNS
Hermon Jace (says needs 4 votes d/r… he’s been 5 is all that will do). He’s going for Marty, Kevin and Haleena.. Jace is fired up by the pitch.
Jace Gino, Kevin and Haleena aren’t good enough for them. Gino says Hermon is a salesman. Gino is noncommittal.
Betty tells Haleena that Hermon is naming Marty, Kevin and Haleena re Hermon’s pitch.
Betty says Haleena and Betty have value. Haleena promises Betty her vote no matter how the house votes.
(ED. This season has a definition problem. Floater / Coaster. They also have a preoccupation with Comp wins and consider likeability social game).
Filler: Josh is not a Marine Biologist segment.
CAMPAIGNS PART 2
Summer and Hermon. Betty is a sure Jury vote. Hermon will fight for her more. (Or call her a target if she doesn’t vote for him… potato potahto)
Summer sticky situation d/r.
Betty Jace. Betty will throw everything at them. Betty is a woman vote in jury.
Hermon Gino. Not after the showmance (he said he was Tuesday to Josh and to Moose). Betty comes out (she just learned Summer was snaking her). Gino says HE wants to take out Marty (he’s since waffled a little).
CAMPAIGN PART 3
TUESDAY
Summer Jace. We should all vote together. Honeybunch strong. Jace thinks Betty votes female and Gino is a salesman. Jury management matters.
MONDAY FLASHBACK
Summer Betty. This was not a good conversation. Summer. Bad conversation.
Betty Josh. Betty cries and Josh is hurt.
Josh d/r I don’t know what to do with my hyperexteded loyalties. F2 Hermon, Betty and the Kevin Haleena relationship. What do I do? Maybe grow a spine and make an actual decision, a full day of hiding from everyone was crap. How is he any different from Summer in this edit???
Sixteen minutes of episode remain.
Prize Announcement for the season winner.
Tired of people yelling “Let’s Go!” As of Tonight the Jury starts.
EVICTION VOTE
Betty: Boiler plate.
Hermon: Marty don’t tell me when to dance. Exteminator: SnakeMarty is my target. (He cut a lot of his practice speech)
Evict Hermon:
Haleena/ Kevin/Josh/Summer/Jace/Gino/Moose
HERMON is evicted by 7-0 Unanimous.
Six minutes left in episode.
Hermon thinks they realized he was a threat. Moose had to save himself. Marty or showmance are threats to win.
HOH watch on live feeds.
So Hermon didn’t go after Kevin & Haleena in his speech (only Marty) – I wondered if he would shift once he learned he was leaving.
The goodbye messages take on more credence now that Hermon is headed to jury. The order was Kevin, Josh, Summer, Moose & Marty. The showmance, Haleena & Betty didn’t have messages.
It’s always interesting to watch the evicted hamster as they show them in a smaller frame watching the messages. Hermon’s biggest reactions were to Kevin (he had a big smile on his face listening) and to Marty’s message he initially stuck his tongue out at him then was saying things but they cut away from the smaller frame possibly b/c Hermon made a slashing across the throat gesture. He also called Moose “my guy”. He smiled at most of the messages.
As for what they said…
Marty gets ZERO points for his message “Hermon, I hope you understand this was a game move, it’s nothing personal. I really, really love you as a person, you’re such a funny guy and I had a blast with you inside this house. Whenever this is done I hope we can be friends for life. I really respect you and I wish you good luck.”
Summer: “I wish things could’ve gone done in a different way but sometimes the devil just works harder. But just know your girl will throw it down until Martin is out of this house”
Moose: “I’m gonna miss you so much brother, I did what I can to keep you but
I love you man.” (Clearly, this message was edited b/c it doesn’t flow).
Oddly Josh didn’t give him much especially considering the house didn’t expect the jury to be starting this week. He said “I’m sad to see you go, I know we had a F2 but I just couldn’t trust you as much as I could trust Betty that’s why I had to let you go at the end of the day but it’s all love” Hermon shook his head during Josh’s speech and sort of pursed his lips (I could be wrong but I got the impression that vote hurt Hermon the most).
Since Josh thought he was going home I was sort of surprised he didn’t own up to knowing the plan &/or his membership in the Dummies!
Kevin OWNED & CLAIMED responsibility for Hermon leaving saying “I got my way this week, all week I’ve been trying to get you on the block and finally I won that veto & Marty took my advice and put you up. You’ve been a really fun adversary to play with, we’ve gone back and forth but this time I got the W.”
Marty won’t gain any traction with Hermon for his message – the Moose message was super short & revealed nothing new, Summer was also expected, and Josh sort of dropped the ball a little bit by continuing to play the middle. The only message IMHO that will have a jury impact is Kevin’s b/c he took credit for the move while also giving the hat tip to viewing him as the key adversary and that will hit the mark when Hermon votes as long as Moose isn’t sitting beside him (and maybe Gino).
He will see the other goodbye messages. They show the rest to him before he hits jury house. It’s something I wondered about a few seasons ago, why aren’t they shown all.
Past houseguests that I know by one or two degrees of separation have informed me they do watch all of them off camera before they hit the press (two said) or before hitting jury (a third stated).
Buzzkill HOH Part ONE.
Marty reads the rules.
Everyone shouts out happy birthday Gillian. Moose says the silence is a buzzkill.
Jace buzzed in first Kevin second, Moose third. Summer is the first Eliminated. The button requires more force than Summer and Josh used. Josh corrected first. Everyone had to hit the button multiple times before it was recorded.
Weird moment where Haleena buzzed in after Moose yelled out. She was not removed. Betty asked if that’s even allowed.
They’ve changed the timer angle From Season 7 to cut the height cheat.
TEMPTATION ONE
Desserts on the table. Marty and Summer wonder if they can chow down.
Moose wants people to go with him. the desserts must be eaten at the table. Summer and Marty are eating and enjoying loudly.
(ED.? Still marvelling at this week’s editorial malfeasance. There were choices made that I wouldn’t have made in the edit. Choices that really bite.)
Timer starts while Moose is setting up food for Moose and Josh to grab.
Haleena is the second eliminated and Moose and Josh got food. Betty Josh Moose first to buzz in. Moose’s earlier punk got in her head lmao.
Josh and Moose celebrate they got to feed their faces, and didn’t get eliminated.
BUZZKILLED HOH PART TWO
After Haleena is eliminated and before the door closed, Jace ran for some brownie. Hal looks Piiissed stilllll. Summer and Marty look pleased they got to eat.
Jace and Josh get a warning for hovering over the button (the Dane method no longer allowed).
(ED. if they follow the pattern of eliminating entrance groups, Marty is the last member of group 4. Group 1 and 3 are totally intact the idea of Marty and Gino in jury alone together tickles me).
Pact about the next temptation. I don’t think Betty agreed.
Marty tells Summer this comp is definitely on live feeds. His wife watches the live feed comps.
Anyone else find it odd that Cam four has pretty much been GInocam since the comp started? Just me? okay. I’m noting it and find it sus. except for the temptation it’s been Gino’s cam for an hour and ten minutes.
Comp is now at the 1.5 hour mark.
Kevin and Betty are showing tension / anxiety in their expressions.
(ED. i ran over to the kitchen and got a couple cookies ran back and nothing had changed).
Gino does a deep knee bend. first movement since comp started.
Cam angle on 2 changes, it’s now a floating cam so timer isn’t visible. put the damn timer back.
Ginocam on 4 has finally closeup shifted to other people, just as cam 2 is doing the whole pan to Gino bit. I shit you not. AAAND FEEDS CUT FOR SHIFT CHANGE…. or perhaps for endurance comp break (yes, since season 5 there have been breaks in bbcan endurance comps well documented on feeds in season 6 and 7 convos). if the outage is more than 15 minutes i’ll be sussed, we’re at 12 now. 13. 14. 15. 16…. Mutterflickers.
Nobody else has been eliminated before the feed outage.
Part three when feds return.
HOH COMP BUZZKILLED PART THREE
Keep in mind, first person out of each Buzzkilled has been eliminated for not hitting the button hard enough. It’s not rigging for the first person out, it’s lack of hitting the button with enough pressure. EVERY time they’ve played it. There was an issue with 2 bad sensors in the buttons last time they played. They restarted. They restarted a button comp in 6 as well.
We all forget, the buttons have been an issue each of the three times it’s been played.
That’s why when people say bring back buzzkilled i stop and look back at the problems Buzzkilled has had and say… with new buttons.
Feed block during an advertised watch the HOH on feeds that is at the 45 minute mark so far. BBCAN gonna BBCAN. At 48 minute mark Arisa tweets something about investigating a malfunction. Stay tuned. I’m guessing the toxic part of fandom on twitter didn’t like that Summer and Josh didn’t push the buzzer hard enough in round one, and it cost Summer. Will they start over? That would mean giving EVERY player that has been standing there for the full hour and a half a break to relax/destress to cut down advantage.
COMP RESTART OY FLIPPING VEY.
EVERYONE LOOKS MAD AS HELL. Marty looks like he wants to kill everyone and then call security to have them removed from his yard. GInocam is back on Gino.
Summer out first again. (now twitter is doing rewind and search to see if she’s out first again or if they can call rigged again). Summer and now Moose are still complaining about their buttons.
Everyone is having button issues and hits their button multiple times.
Moose is doing a lot of promise swats at the button. Marty appears to be falling asleep.
THEY HAVE CALLED OFF THE HOH COMP DUE TO BUTTON FAILURES.
I SHIT YOU NOT.
Tomorrow’s HOH comp will be a new comp since the buzzer system sensors are malfunctioning.
I blame Naeha in season 3… they haven’t had a buzzer comp where the buzzers worked properly since she nearly karate chopped the table in half when she was called for head to head buzzers repeatedly.
The only time I remember an HOH comp cancellation is season 6. It never started because of technical problems, and it was a double eviction night. They played the next morning but cobbled together a party that night with added people in the house.
It was the hangover booth comp. all the houseguests drank the night before. They were awakened early and some of them were puking during the comp.
So…. what do you think the backup comp will be?
TINFOIL HAT CHAT
Raise your hand if you are concerned.
Honest reaction that’s keeping me awake:
They never would have stopped that comp after an hour and a half if it weren’t for the level of complaint. The same people that image capped the Last HOH trying to remove Marty were slowing video and image capturing for Summer to be reinstated. When they restarted, I actually saw a bunch of messages saying, no just Summer, why does Ratleena get another shot. blink blink. mmkay.
This is where we are: the bias and vitriol are now a solid mass that has tasted power tonight.
I TOTALLY SUPPORT restarting for technical issues. I TOTALLY support stopping a comp for technical issues. The technical issues were not a new thing, that’s what got me confused. They’ve happened every time they’ve done that comp.
I support fairness.
I apply this to ALL NINE people currently in the Big Brother Canada House. I’m not sure if that is the case for the solid mass, though. I don’t think it is.
I truly fear that if a threat to a fave had the technical issue, there wouldn’t have been a mass complaint and the comp would have continued with cheers of skill to those not affected, and sucks to be you to the affected if they were a threat to a fave.
I hate thinking that would be the case. I think that would be the case.
Anyway, they need new buzzers, and that’s been known since the first time they played this comp.
So is that my big concern?
Nope. My big concern is ‘is that where it stops?’ It took them well over an hour and a half to stop the comp and investigate for another hour. Yeah, they weren’t going to stop the comp until the heat got turned up too much. Not sorry for saying that out loud.
So, i’m worried. If the replacement comp isn’t on feeds, I’m not sure if I will trust the result.
I hope it’s on feeds, I hope it’s a comp that is akin to the comp it is replacing, but without the techincal issues. I hope we can get through an HOH without the solid mass attempting to taste more power. Tbh, there’s three different solid masses, depending on which platform is offended. And all three are ugly. And all three are attempting to use social media influence to control the storyline.
I’m not sure if I’m going to trust the result no matter what now. My apprehension is growing. No matter who wins HOH at this point, there’s going to be an outcry of rigged from some corner. That’s where we are. No matter who wins the HOH, SOMEbody is going to be screaming foul in the fandom, and attempting to exert dominance and taste power.
For storyline purposes, it doesn’t actually matter this week who becomes HOH. No, really. It doesn’t. We’re at that spot where they’ve revealed the angle they are going to take for the midgame, and for this week, no matter who is evicted, that doesn’t shift. The storyline angle isn’t going to change.
My solace:
the theme this season may be game show, but it’s not an actual gameshow, its reality entertainment programming in a game show-like format. I’ve said that to myself about twelve times this week. Tonight i’m still concerned.
So I’m guessing two of the three factions are for the showmance and for Summer fans. For the most part I avoid the negative stuff so I don’t know for sure. When I’m looking at social media it’s for facts (updates) and occasionally there is some funny stuff on there.
Assuming I’m correct about it being Jino & Summer fans (as the first two factions) who is the third? I’d hope there is balance and it’s for the Dummies or Ghosts but could also imagine a Betty group or Josh/Betty group or even Moose b/c he’s an underdog now.
From what I’ve seen while eavesdropping (I am NOT entering any of the threads on ANY of the usual platforms after the BB23 week of death threats for not being adoring enough of Hannah):
From what I’ve seen there’s a cross platform faction that views the game by race.
I consider them ONE mass of bias and vitriol spanning multiple platforms whether they are screaming Squad or screaming Jino/Marty/Kevin. This is the big faction this season. Each side in this little war has called Production prejudiced and sent in mass complaints depending on who is winning what. This is the main faction of the season.
There’s the Summer stans that were Hannah stans that were LaToya stans. This faction IS driven and WILL attack anyone that doesn’t praise enough. Be prepared to private your socials if they don’t think you were heaping enough praise. They will also try to exert their will on production.
The third faction is an offshoot of the other two. It’s the Jino / Sino debate club. They mostly just go after each other.
I’m great with people having faves. It’s the entire attempt to control production through social media intimidation thing that is creeping me out.
I wish I could take a look at the buttons themselves and the lockout circuit as well. Seems to me if things were designed properly, by quality engineers/technicians, and quality equipment were used, this would never happen. I’m an Electronics Technologist. I’ve worked in industry where among other things, Emergency Buttons are designed and built to be activated with some force. I’d never seen such a failure. Why? Because such failure is NOT an option as it could literally cost lives.
It can’t be anything too elaborate unless they move up an upcoming comp with time to build/replace it. Not sure how long something like that would take unless they just add another Q & A comp.
Although it also involves buzzing in – they must have that two-sided stand where a question is asked & the first to buzz in and answer correctly wins (or answer wrong & is eliminated). That would mean coming up with a set of seven questions for the eight players with someone eliminated each round. AND it would show the cards of people b/c the first two are a wild card draw and then the winner picks the next two competitors.
Or they could put up the long panel booths and do a Q & A – even as mundane as asking questions about what’s around the house – doing a true or false scenario – like there are more than 120 priced items on the wall in the pantry. Answer true for more and false for less.
There is that one where they have the wall at the end and do the ready, set, whoa comp where they all line up like a track meet but they’d need the video wall at the end for that.
Or they could easily do “Hide & Go Veto” I can’t recall if BB Can have ever done that comp. That would be an easy one to orchestrate but create a mess in the house.
OR they could move up a comp they had planned to use in an upcoming week that wasn’t endurance based (like standing on a wall or swinging) but then they’d have to create another comp to replace it later (unless they tried to fix the buzzers for Buzz Kill & do it later).
It feels far too early to do before/after or anything date-related.
Shrug
I don’t recall a hide and go veto in BBCAN. They have a hard enough time getting people to sweep the floor and make their beds. They did an HOH lockdown to have someone come in and clean the house this season.
As long as they don’t do the infamous season three unspooling comp that caused so much injury and illness…. lol.
Looks like Gino is HOH, didn’t see any of any comp though. And looking to back door Marty.
Friday. feeds down close to 5 and a half hours.
Uh oh.
They aren’t showing the replacement comp. Prepare yourselves for the rigging calls no matter who wins.
Hermon’s exit interview is exactly what you would expect from Hermon.
I actually stopped paying attention.
It feels like he’s looking at his eviction like Summer actually was the swing vote. Only if the showmance stood still and didn’t make a play for themselves. But he’s unable to view that.
The swing vote depended on the showmance being static.
So they have to do the comp, then do the d/r for the comp, then do the whowantstoseemyHOHroom crap. That’s why feeds have been down so long IMO.
Damn, they’re also going to have to rush through one on ones to get noms on schedule tonight…. or they could do noms tomorrow right before they spin veto players. Knowing prodo, they want to get back on schedule a lot, so they most likely try to fit in Wendy’s AND noms today.
Remember last night when I marvelled at how the feeds had a designated GINOCAM during Buzzkilled?
Good times.
GINO WON HOH.
POST HOH.
Betty Haleena and Josh are Have nots. Summer dropped out of HOH for a slop pass.
The HOH comp was Trivia of some kind, but I don’t think just booth style.
Marty is nervousing to Kevin already. He says he told Gino he wasn’t after the showmance, and Moose and Josh are the big threats. Kevin tells Marty to chill.
Haleena is having some kind of self loathing fest to Jace. She wants Jace to get Gino to take Betty or Moose to Wendy’s, not her, because she did so poorly in the HOH and doesn’t deserve food. FIIK.
Jace asks Gino about noms. Gino thinks Moose and Summer initial noms to backdoor Marty. Marty has safety deals with both Moose and Summer, and Gino knows it (with 9 people left, at midgame, the time to backdoor might be over, just saying).
Moose is Wendy’s date. Moose is thrilled. It gives him time to try to mastermind on Gino and rescind his offer to be a pawn like he did last week with Marty. You can SEE it on his face.
Summer is already nervousing about going on the block. She’s paced a lot. She’s trying to figure out who to throw under the bus to keep herself off. Betting it’s Haleena and Betty. She’s going to push Honeybunch and JamaicanGreek on him HARD. He knows she’s said his name for a couple weeks now.
Haleena is now apologizing to Kevin and Josh for sucking rocks in HOH.
Kevin says to the other two let’s prepare to kiss HOH asses.
Gino, like his first HOH, is cleaning the HOH room top to bottom. It’s like smudging with pine sol.
ONE ON ONE
Look at Summer’s body language whilst waiting for Gino. I’m not sure if she’s nervousing, getting ready to backstab, or annoyed that he isn’t prioritizing her over sanitizing the room.
Shoulders up. Arms crossed. Jaw set. cringe. Maybe getting him in trouble with his showmance Wednesday night wasn’t a good idea (I’m joking, he loved it).
Bullet points:
GINO WANTS MARTY EVICTED UNANIMOUSLY.
NOTE:
Gino is going to attempt the five finger plan with Nine people in the house.
Moose is going to try to get out of his pawn promise. He pushes everyone, but emphasizes Josh and Kevin I bet. Or goes just throw Marty up.
Gino will think anyone but Kev, Hal and Marty in veto, He thinks they’d save him and put the other of the 3 at risk????
Gino will attempt to get everyone else to agree to use the veto so that Marty can be renom.
LAST time Gino was HOH, Gino was singular in his nominees. Marty and Jess initial noms because Marty had flip voted week 2 and Jess was a threat he didn’t have a deal with. It shifted when the KYLE HEAT got too hot.
Currently, Gino and Jace have Kevleena on one side thinking they are together and Jotty on the other side thinking they are together. That leaves the Singles and Marty. But DOES he follow through? Should he? Safety in number control tells me he should.
Would anyone suggest just do both Kevin and Haleena as pawns? Moose maybe.
Sorry, I know Gino is about to chat with Josh, but I’ve got to head out for a while and get some stuff done. Later peoples.
Returned to a feed outage. at least 2 hours of feed outage.
NOTE:
BOTH Moose two weeks ago, and Betty last week used the ‘use me as a pawn i won’t fight it’ bone in their campaign to stay.
If anyone is assuming noms will be Moose and Betty, this is WHY.
So far Moose has welched once already. Expect the same this week. The edit didn’t include either of them saying please keep me i’ll be your obedient pawn.
Summer is trying to have the Season 9 Ty cred of never hitting the block. She will ALWAYS say it isn’t the right time for me to be used as a pawn. As she should. Never volunteer to be a pawn.
Once you do volunteer your services as a pawn, your credibility should decrease immeasurably if you try to finagle your way out of honoring the deal. Unless you made the deal with Marty. Cus Marty gonna Marty.
Feeds return.
Kevin is putting the suit back on to be Andrew the lawyer again in his Gino one on one.
Jace Gino converse in HOH about options. If Marty doesn’t become bd target Moose is target. Putting Josh or Betty otb is bad because of the 4. Putting Kev or Hal otb is bad, they’ll pick Marty for hg choice in veto out of spite. Summer suddenly bringing up Honeybunch is preeeetty convenient given timing Jace says. She’s gonna be pissed at being a nom but whatchagonna do? Summer Jace talked about the flirt thing. Basically Jace thinks Summer’s game is flirt to get men to keep her safe. That is part of her strategy.
Sounds like Moose tried to push noms for the block during Wendy’s, and tried to jedimindwipe his promise to be a pawn. Gino still wants to pawn him. He might have pushed the alpha males (Gino, Josh, Moose) as a final three? YOU try figuring out what Gino is saying when he barely says anything and elaborates NOTHING.
One on Ones.
Betty and Josh know the noms. Betty is not telling Summer. They know about the back door.
Haleena knows the noms and agrees with them. Doesn’t know about the back door.
Marty is pushing for Josh to be the backdoor. He’s okay with Moose being on the block.
I think he wanted Betty to replace Summer, or wants Betty or Josh to leave.
He’s back to this nugget. Gino is going to become more convinced there is a deal between Marty and Moose or Marty and Summer if Marty keeps pushing. Marty will of course keep pushing.
Kevin is saying Summer’s throwing is getting out of hand. Says she says Gino’s name way too much when it makes no sense. Not telling Kevin the plan. Says Betty or Josh could be renoms (Gino totally thinks Kevin and Marty are like THIS). Kevin says Marty is Gino’s shield. the longer everyone focuses on Marty, the further Gino gets in the game (Pretty much the talk Kevin gave Jace earlier today, only more elaborate). At 5, they ditch Marty is what Kevin tells Gino.
Josh has not yet told Kevin or Haleena the plan is to backdoor Marty.
ASIDE
(Hermon is most likely to vote Moose as winner now, and least likely to vote Kevin. He’s going to be a bitter juror, voting based on who was loyal to him and personalizing his relationships over game. Sorry. that’s the read between the lines. Like anyone doubted that would be the case?)
Kevin is suspicious.
He thinks there’s a plan to backdoor Marty, and it’s being concealed from him.
He’s asked Summer, who says she has no idea.
Betty slipped up an hour later and said neither Gino nor Marty will be competing for the next HOH, then tried to cover. Kevin DEFINITELY caught it.
Meanwhile1
It should be noted, Jace said Gino disappeared from bed for a couple hours last night.
I found it weird that last Wednesday night Marty disappeared from bed for over an hour.
Sideyes and whistles. Nothing to see here, just coughing tinfoil.
HOH came down to a tie between Gino and Jace. She threw it to him. She gets the comfy bed without the bloody hands theory? I think that’s it.
Meanwhile2
Jace is now asking Hal about a final four between Kevleena and Jino. (a fake four, Gino and Jace still think Kevleena are sketchy and weak).
Hal says she she’d be down. The two mentioned how Kev feels Marty follows him around in a similar way to how Jess followed him around.
Then the two of them were discussing Summer. Jace LOVES having someone she can discuss Summer with, and Hall is really annoyed that she feels Summer doesn’t try in any comp (think she also thinks Summer is saying her name again). THIS is what I was saying Hal should have been doing LAST week once noms were made. Bonding with Jace to get the Marty stink off of her. 6 days later…
Meanwhile3
Marty and Moose are dressing up in Jace’s clothes. shudder. Marty in a croptop…. unsee unsee. unsee.
Problem moving forward:
Kev and Hal know about the (supposed to be fake but feeling less fake) four between Jino and Jotty.
Josh and Kevin had discussed a plan earlier off feeds, but Kevin wants them to hold off until after veto, unless Josh really thinks they should. Josh said no. Why do I get the feeling that was the push Marty backdoor that Josh wanted?
Josh knows Kevin thinks it’s Moose’s time to go.
Josh hasn’t told Kevin about the Marty backdoor plan, but Betty is accidentally hinting. If Betty knows, Josh knows.
Kevin was told Gino wants noms the same or will put up Josh as renom. He was sus.
Dummies Dilemma Incoming?
NOMINATIONS POSTPONED UNTIL SATURDAY.
This morning Gino informed first Moose, then Summer that they will be going on the block as pawns to back door Marty.
Gino told Haleena yesterday he hopes the veto doesn’t get used.
Gino told Kevin yesterday that renom would be Josh if veto was used.
Josh, Betty, Summer, Moose and Jace are in on the plan.
Marty thinks Josh or Betty are getting back doored.
Hey, un autre nom (or anyone who would like to comment).
I wondered if anyone can clarify whether Josh told the Ghosts about the new 4-some with the showmance & Betty (I think he did last week) or if he’s told them about Gino’s plan to backdoor Marty.
While it’s clear the showmance wants to keep both F4 options open he’s sort of playing with fire by not telling Kev/Hal about his true intentions.
Summer knows & we have to assume he told Moose on their Wendy’s date so eventually, Hal/Kev will find out if Josh didn’t tell them (especially if Marty plays POV & doesn’t use it) b/c in that scenario Summer will spill to both Marty/Kev what happened & Moose will likely tell everyone and beg to be kept to go after the showmance.
This brings me to another thought (I’d love an opinion on). We know Josh’s preference is to always ride the middle ground. So much so that he has deals/alliances with every single person in one shape or another in the house.
He’s recently pissed off the Ghosts for not sharing information, Betty has caught him holding back things/or lying & even when he was in perceived danger he didn’t overshare which shows how much restraint he has.
I’ve noticed the only time he really strays from that discipline is for the Dummies so I’ve assumed all along they were his true allies, especially b/c he won’t believe he/Betty could beat Jace/Gino in a F4.
This week there are six people voting so four votes control who stays. That means the Dummies will need Betty to be in concert with what they want to do & Josh first would have to agree that’s the right decision.
Soooooooo with that in mind, Another Name here are a few scenarios that could play out – I’d love your thoughts on them (and again, anyone else who would like to offer your opinion).
Marty goes OTB beside Summer: Summer will hold a grudge that Gino ruined her perfect “never being OTB” run so if she was intent on targeting the showmance before today, that ramps up 100.
At first glance, it seems illogical to keep Marty over Summer & she’s likely who Gino would push to be removed from the block. But if Moose won POV & Summer stayed OTB is there any scenario where keeping Marty is better for anyone other than the Ghosts?
I’m thinking — PERHAPS – Summer definitely didn’t do herself any favors with Betty last week by how she acted making her jump through hoops & proving she has NO LOYALTY to anyone other than herself.
If the Dummies decide keeping Marty was better for their games (and the blowback of doing it) I don’t think it takes much to sell Betty on why (see below) and maybe an easier sell than for Moose even.
Admittedly, that would be some major karma for Summer after last week.
… the more likely scenario is would be
Marty goes OTB beside Moose: literally, everyone in the house knows Moose is a lone wolf & will stab anyone in the back to get ahead. He’s more inclined to want the alpha male group to move forward (Gino & Josh) so he doesn’t really offer much for any of the ladies or Kevin.
Josh has NEVER liked Moose from the early weeks. In fact, Moose was the first name I recall Josh saying was his personal target. So I think the Ghosts would have an easier time getting his buy-in for Moose than they would if Summer was OTB.
(plus FOR SURE -Gino is going to tell him how Moose pushed for Josh to go up instead of him in order to gain trust with him — and that information might make the decision easier).
It requires getting Betty on the same page & as per above there is a logical way to present this option BUT it could get messy. First, he tells her that the showmance also has a F4 with Kev/Hal (was in a F5 with Marty) & then about the F4 Honey Bunch.
He tells Betty he only just learned about the F5 & Kev/Hal F4 this week but they can see how it makes sense given the Tynesha vote right? The Honey Bunch would be trickier b/c if he didn’t tell her already it looks a bit shady but again I think it’s fairly easy to cover his tracks on that.
He can say he thought it was a joke b/c the only time he ever heard it mentioned after the very first day was when Jace was ranting about Summer saying she could never work with her. Then this week with Summer OTB she suddenly brought it up & when he questioned if that was real she said the showmance has been pushing it every week. So, in essence, Jace/Gino have three F4 deals in the house covering every person except Moose but since they want to take out Marty it’s likely they also have a deal with him.
OR… they get Summer on board – which again, might not be that hard b/c she’ll be feeling EXTRA about losing her perfect run of not being nominated. Kev/Josh could play up how Jace doesn’t like her & IF they can convince her Marty would be her new shield & be the guy to break up the showmance she might be an even easier flip vote than Betty.
The crazy part is I think the trickier portion of this plan would be convincing Marty to turn on Gino again b/c the only way this foursome could keep Marty is if he committed to going after the showmance. Otherwise, it’s not worth their time to openly go against them.
AND b/c he’s gone back on his word in the past (particularly vs. Josh) they would need to get him to promise on his family or something.” And that would require a delicate touch – b/c Marty could spin out over something like that.
The reason I think the Ghosts will push this super hard AN is it may be the last time Gino will be this vulnerable again & the house seems to think there could be another double this week (not sure about that).
Anyway – if you have time let me know what your thoughts are on this.
Thanks.
Kevin pushed for Betty to propose a fake final four with Gino and Jace. In attendance were Kevin, Betty and Josh.
Kevin has told Haleena about the fake final four already.
Josh has not told Kevin and Haleena a thing about the final four or Gino’s plan this week.
Kevin and Josh had discussion off feed about a plan (a plan to get Marty out?). We know this because Kevin went back to Josh after K met with Gino (being told Josh is renom), and told Josh they shouldn’t push the plan unless Josh thinks they HAVE to. Josh said no.
(Josh knows Marty is renom, hasn’t told Kevin).
Betty let it slip to Kevin that next HOH will be easier for a new winner if Gino and Marty both can’t play. He definitely heard it.
I’ve yet to see Josh share anything on feeds with Kevin that is noteworthy since the 4 was made. This is why I’ve been projecting that Josh is floating back to centre. The information exchange between Kevin and Josh was 70/30 last week, it’s about 85/15 now. Kevin shares more of his knowledge by far than Josh shares of his knowledge.
This was the only week Josh could have won HOH without harming centre status and there is indication he threw it.
An aside: Summer actually mentioned in an offended tone that Jace should have been nominated in Summer’s place. Realllllly? That’s the hill she’s climbing?
Thanks AN.
And of course, everything changed (re: Josh – Kev convo) AFTER Haleena won the POV.
Josh’s timing on this is terrible b/c now the Ghosts will know he is holding things back the fact Betty made a deal to work them .. ie: Josh is essentially admitting they have a F4 & b/c Kev/Hal were the ONLY people in the house Gino/Jace didn’t tell the plan to it’s going to look like their F4 with them isn’t as solid as it is.
I have to clarify one thing. Before last night’s SR talk, Kevin and Josh had a conversation about Marty being a renom option, but not about a plan involving the rest of the house already set in motion. This was after Kevin’s one on one with Gino. Kevin at that point was telling Josh he was worried Gino could nom Josh.
Gino’s post nomination chat with Summer was interesting.
I feel he made a TON of mistakes. First, he tells her that he wants her to pick JL if she gets the houseguest’s choice. They DO NOT like each other so imagine how that would look to the house. I can’t imagine her picking JL wouldn’t expose that Gino has the entire house under his thumb.
Second – he tells her he couldn’t put up Hal or Kev b/c they might pick Marty to play POV & that Betty/Josh were just OTB & he’s trying to build something with them.
It shows his entire cards (he has deals with each of those individuals).
In the event Summer stays OTB, don’t tell me she’s not repeating those words to each of those people AND if Marty plays POV & wins it for sure she’ll out the plan to him.
It would’ve been wiser for him to say I have a plan – you’re a pawn & I just need you to trust me. If I can’t have my option A then at worst you’re beside Moose & you’ll be fine.
The other thing I’m wondering is whether Moose/Summer will just go along with this plan. Both are wild cards and selfish players. Does anyone think they would go to Marty & ask him if he’d use the POV on them if they picked him & if he says no say well – that’s interesting b/c I was asked specifically NOT to pick you if I won houseguest’s choice. It would be DUMB as hell to tell Marty that b/c he’d go straight to Gino but we’re talking Summer & Moose here.
I suppose they could just pick him anyway & then after POV tell him what Gino’s plan was.
Summer literally plays such a self-centered game…
Kevin, Haleena, Josh & Betty are sitting in Expedia to be away from the smell of frying bacon so Summer who voluntarily left the HOH comp to get a slop pass just walked in and sat down to eat a sandwich right in front them all.
After Betty says Canada has to vote for me to get a meal – Summer finally clues in & says “oh you guys don’t mind me eating in front of you do you?”
OF COURSE, they all say no but come on Summer READ A ROOM.
I knew it……………..
Showmance already shifted priority F4 back:
ONE day after the showmance was leaning toward Josh/Betty as their main F4 Jace says to Gino I think we’re better off going to F4 with Kevin & Haleena & Gino says once Marty is gone he really likes the triangle of them with Kevin.
Don’t take that as gospel to stay that way b/c as I’ve noted prior these two change their minds faster than you can snap your fingers although it’s more likely than not (bulleted list outlines why).
Haleena told both of them how she doesn’t appreciate Marty making it seem like they were tighter than they were increasing the target on her back while Kev told Gino the reason he wanted Marty to stay is b/c it protects Gino & that they should cut him at F5.
THAT’s how easily flipped the showmance is. And I’d say it also confirms Josh told them the plan is to B/D Marty & it prob also means he told them about the new proposed Betty F4.
Why the Ghosts will always have the advantage with the showmance:
There are other reasons why Kev/Hel will typically have the edge over Josh/Betty.
Summer is not amused:
The other interesting tidbit is Summer is PISSED with Gino for using her as a pawn. If she wins HOH she plans to put up the showmance with her initial noms.
Betty already told Summer she has her vote if she doesn’t come down & that both her/Josh would use the POV on her. It’s very gracious of her after how Summer acted last week. It could just be Betty playing a solid social game showing Sum she’s the bigger person & really does have her back – OR that could just be who Betty is.
If Betty tells Josh this information – he needs to tell the Ghosts ASAP b/c it sort of solves their dilemma about splitting the showmance & getting out Gino. Since he can’t play in the upcoming HOH all they would need to do is make sure Jace/Moose were out & then that 4-some (Dummies/Betty) could throw the HOH to Summer and not have to get blood on their hands directly. Each of them could play up how keeping Jace makes more sense for them while she would be gunning to take out Summer (and prob still Moose).
NOMS
SUMMER MOOSE
VETO PICKS (unsure of last pick)
Moose, Summer, Josh, Jace. last pick Haleena.
Kevin host.
Effects post nomination ceremony:
Moose alone in a room depressed. He thinks Josh should have been the nom (that use me as a pawn with no complaint no repercussion campaign promise…. shrug)
Gino explains for the second time why the nom couldn’t be Hal or Kev to Summer.
Me: So wait, after frame by frame video analysis by feeders in order to get Summer back into the BuzzHOH…. she threw again in the new comp. Sideye. I’m shadenfreuding my pants for the AV club.
Events of Note:
Betty has already promised Summer her vote. Betty. Make her campaign or make her twist in the wind like she did to you. Only reason I was happy Betty would stay is the battle of bitterness if Summer were ever in the nomination chair… and she’s going high road NOW? snore. She promised Josh’s vote as well.
Jace and Gino have decided they’d rather have Kevin and Haleena as their true final four than Josh and Betty… if Marty leaves. Further they want to form a triangle with Kevin within the proposed 4.
What Gino got from the Kevin / Andrew spiel: Marty is least trustworthy of the 5.
What Jace got from Hal: down for the f4. Marty naming names pisses her off.
Betty asks if Hal and Kev are close. Hal says they’ve started getting close since Summer and T named them as potential flip victims. Hal tells Betty that Summer told Kevin she’d use him as a pawn 2 weeks ago. Betty thinks naming pawns when you aren’t HOH is silly.
Summer is cracking a little that she’s on the block. Says she’s tired, but she’s actually pissed that her game has been called out, and she’s lost her never nom status she wanted to use in final 2. Her comp throwing is common knowledge in the house.
Gino and Jace are still discussing whether or not she threw HOH to him on the tie breaker.
THE HOUSE IS SHOCKED VETO WILL BE PLAYED TODAY
Feeds Returned after over 2 hours.
Expedia Room Lockdown. How many weeks has the phone room been locked now?
Confirmed the POV participants are noms: Summer/Moose plus Haleena, Josh & Jace.
Sounds like Summer picked Jace with house guest choice which HAS to have Marty asking WTF & if Hal/Kev don’t know already this should be a red flag.
Gino is thrilled by picks & is telling Moose he’ll remove him — he ALSO told Josh that separately so I guess he’s gonna make Summer ride out the week on the block.’
You can already see next week being an endurance comp for smaller people & Summer winning HOH so she can put up the showmance & break them up.
Side note: I mentioned it prior that for as much as Kevin pitched himself as being a bad guy who would backstab & break people’s hearts it sure seems like people gravitate to him when they’re upset. I know Summer is more of a guy’s girl but she keeps going back to Kev today (it’s where she clearly feels most comfortable). She vented to Betty but didn’t get what she wanted & they kept showing her in Expedia holding her head in her hands (you know that look of “get me the F outta here”).
When she’s with Kevin talking though – she’s less guarded, is being fairly honest & I just think that’s who she feels the most herself (safest?) around.
PRE VETO PLAY CAMPAIGNING
Summer is telling Betty she wanted Mandems to work but she lost Haleena. Betty tells Summer about the side deals Tynesha had that sketched Haleena out. Summer understands but didn’t know. (Most of Summer’s talk here is bullcrap). Summer is still asking why Jess was believed over Summer. *ed. despite show clips, let’s put 100 honesty on the table: when Tynesha was in danger of being the renom, Summer pushed EVERY houseguest except Tynesha and Betty. She named EVERY other name.
Moose tells Kevin there is no bigger plan but hesitates with a bunch of no, no, maybe talk.
When asked directly, Josh tells Kevin that Gino wants him to use the veto on Moose, and get rid of Marty. Kevin insinuates that’s backup to make Josh feel safe… could Josh be a renom target or are they hoping to use Josh as their shield. They say nobody realizes in the house just how good a social strategy player Haleena is because they are so stuck on comp wins. Neither would take her to final 2 if she never touches the block. Neither of them want to nominate her though. Josh and Kevin agree that the Dummies are three sociopaths which makes their alliance fun. Kev doesn’t want to pull anyone else into dummies (betty, so that Josh doesn’t have yet another option). I get the sense half of this convo is a test on both sides.
Kevin tells Josh he thinks Josh is the only person other than Jace that is aware of the Marty plan. Not sure if Kevin is lying, or doesn’t realize he’s out of the sauce on this one. He’s gotten hints of the plan from Betty and now Moose made Moostakes…
Both Hal and Kevin have been planting little seeds that evicting Marty is not the move to Jace and Gino. Hal’s method is more devious, she’s amping up Jace’s basic bitch side to get Jace to want Summer or Moose (more Summer) out. Kevin has pointed out the benefits of keeping Marty until 5 and then cutting him.
Summer is trying to paint a target on Haleena moving forward. To Josh. (Summer resents that Haleena still has her block virginity and Gino took Summer’s).
Summer is barely hiding calling Marty a racist when talking to Josh. I’m not saying he is or isn’t racist, I’m not judging her perspective either. I’m reporting what the convo feels like. Save the argument if you want to come at me.
Summer thinks her three with Josh and Betty are ‘her’ people.
Summer said she’d throw an HOH to Betty or Josh. (ed. why change throwing comps after being called out for throwing comps?) Summer is not building an internal fire to win Veto. Sorry. She isn’t.
Jace is Summer bashing to Haleena again. Jace LOVES having another girl to Summer bash to. Haleena is letting her basic bitch side out to pull Jace in. Summer is all pro women type that would evict every woman, never take a woman to final 2, and she’s going to keep sliding through the game because men are simple.
Before the house meeting, Jace sits with Summer on noms couch. Kevin mouths something about bad luck to sit there. Jace says something about cute girls don’t sit on that couch. It felt like a basic bitch comment. I actually do think it hurt Summer’s feelings.
I don’t know. Just a hunch that Jace is getting a little too Jace considering Summer is a pawn.
The house has watermelon and i remember the fun fact from bbus21. Watermelon is supposed to be a natural anti-depressant and aid for emotional volatility as a side effect in withdrawal. Marty is cutting up watermelon.
House Meeting: Festivus stage one. The airing of Greivances.
Foodism. Jace has to try slop.
Jace declares herself owner of HOH. The lease deal is over, it’s hers. (subtext: Hey Summer, Gino’s mine, hands off. Sorry, that is the basic bitch translation she’s looking right at Summer).
After Gino says he feels like a dick for eating in front of have nots:
Put your hand up if you think Gino has been a dick this week. EVERYONE EXCEPT MARTY raises a hand or two.
I don’t think we’ve ever seen a houseguest quite so… naturally ungifted when it comes to comps as Haleena.
I think she comes by it honestly
You know how we often discuss Production tailoring comps for certain skill sets?
We’re gonna need a Da’vonne wins a Big Brother comp level of tailoring job if we’re thinking Haleena has a shot at a comp. I mean… They’d need to do an Individual Time Mirror Universe comp. And even then…. who would buy it?????
She tries. I appreciate that she tries. She always gives five times the effort.
Her skill level is unfortunate. Like… WOWWW unfortunate.
She’s up there with Sabrina / All Stars Ika / BB Da’vonne any season / BB12 DeputyKathy level unfortunate comp ability.
It’s a grimace face emoji every time she is in a comp.
Put the Benny Hill theme behind her in a comp and it’s comedy.
Tailor that comp drgremlins… tell me what you come up with. Yeesh. Gooooood Luck. Wow.
And after my Haleena diatribe…
HALEENA WON VETO.
Me: well played big brother. You tailor made the unmakeable.
Post Veto Plotting
Summer is campaigning to Kevin to stay this week.
Betty Josh and Gino are planning to tell Haleena the narrative: Have to target Marty so people stop associating Haleena with Marty as a target…. but not tonight. Tomorrow. Don’t push tonight.
Josh says only four out of five people played like they were playing for veto. One guess who under performed.
Haleena’s current final 2 deals: KEVIN, Marty and Jace.
Okay: THIS is why I downgraded Gino’s Six Finger Plan to a Five Finger Plan. Everyone wasn’t told the plan and now things get slippery. Haleena can fall back on the 5, fall back on repaying the safety chain, fall back on Summer and Moose saying her name, fall back on Gino telling her in one on ones he didn’t want the veto used, that’s why she tried so hard. Or Haleena could cave at the entire house targeting her.
I have a question: How? Haleena? How? Josh came in second. Still saying wow production… you are gooood. I couldn’t for the life of me figure out a comp based on a Haleena skillset and you did. Wooooooow. balance beams, water, sink, puzzle…. that’s what i’m hearing about the veto. Uncoordinated klutz did balance beams over the figure skater and the dancer????? HOW?
So word is:
Gino thinks Haleena not using the veto puts a big target on Haleena and Kevin.
GRAIN OF SALT THIS (audio issue not sure if feed audio or my headphones)
Josh and Betty aren’t sure if they trust someone, they think someone might have been in on pushing their noms last week? GIno or Moose? Not sure.
Josh says that next week everyone will be aiming at them (hal/kev?)(showmance?)? Josh says he and Betty MUST NOT win HOH next week, they’ll be showing too many cards.
Again: grain of salt this.
MARTY SMELLS SOMETHING FISHY (Marty and Kevin blue bedroom talk)
Marty is asking Kevin if everyone hates him. Kevin tells Marty it’s because Marty is awesome and good at comps both physical and mental. Marty has an icepack on his knee. Marty is most likely playing up the old card like he’s 112 again, as Marty does. Marty didn’t play in veto so I don’t know wtf happened to his knee. Kevin is telling Marty to keep icing his knee no matter what, even if he doesn’t need to. Marty tells Kevin that he thinks Haleena just saved his life in the game. Kevin told Marty to trust his gut and remember that he didn’t feel safe today. Yeah, Kevin is going to push Haleena not to use veto. They’ve wanted Moose gone since week three, and Summer gone since week 5, and this might turn Marty against the showmance like Kevin wanted.
ED. Makes me wonder who was cheering for whom in the veto comp.
JOSH KEVIN AFTER LIGHTS OUT STORAGE ROOM:
Josh is choosing NOW to tell Kevin about the showmance final 4 with Betty and Josh from Wednesday, and telling Kevin NOW that the entire house except for Kevin and Haleena are in on the backdoor plan From yesterday. And he’s pushing for Haleena to use the veto so they can get rid of Marty.
If I’m Kevin? I’m wondering in my head why Josh hasn’t mentioned any of this until Haleena has the veto. Kevin knew they were making the four, but not that it was a done deal. Kevin suspected he was maybe being kept in the dark, or Josh was secretly the plan.
If Haleena doesn’t use veto, Josh wants Moose out. Then Marty. Marty is too volatile.
Josh tries to cover why he hasn’t told Kevin any of this earlier without Kevin asking the ‘If I’m Kevin’ question. Kevin is unsure of order but thinks Moose Marty Gino have to go in the next 3.
Josh says they have to keep Moose and Jace from winning HOH in order to get rid of Moose or Marty or Gino (there’s a lot of Josh is still aiming for Marty out this week and Kevin aiming for Marty to stay this week but it’s mostly subtext. You have to look at who they say can’t win HOH for the subtext to become text).
Kevin has to realize that getting Marty out this week keeps Josh in the exact centre, still good with EVERYONE, and in two alliances that provide him with the numbers no matter who wins HOH. This means Kevin needs Marty there to offset the target from being both Haleena and Kevin on the block.
Josh is pushing Marty has to go more and more to Kevin. Kevin is telling him to speak to Haleena tomorrow.
ED. Haleena already mentioned to Kevin that they took exposure to keep Josh underground, and he’s not sharing info in a timely manner if at all (days ago).
Josh says he and Betty are pushing hard to win HOH next week, and everyone will target the showmance (Josh lied).
Kevin tells Josh that if they need Marty to go after the showmance, leave how to come up with a believable lie to Haleena, she’s good at coming up with the stories.
Kevin says he isn’t sure where he stands on this veto use. He says he’d rather be a week early than a week late, but Josh’s proposal is 2 weeks early, so he isn’t sure. Kevin thinks Moose is the play because he’s been sidling up to the showmance. If they take out Moose, then both Josh and Kevin keep working the showmance from opposite sides, rope a doping them into targeting Marty. He says he needs the night to think about it.
Kevin says the showmance is dangerous, but Jace alone isn’t dangerous. Josh still thinks Gino beats Jace in a veto (reminder, Gino has 0 veto wins, Jace has 2). Kevin says he needs to sleep on it, but talk to Haleena tomorrow and see where her gut is.
THEORETICAL THOUGHT:
Josh’s talk to Haleena is going to have Haleena running to Kevin saying wtf, and igniting her survival instinct at the feeling she’s on the bottom of the house ladder being kept out of everything. Haleena and Kevin pondered keeping Marty to take out Josh when the time was right (top 7-6) when Josh’s lack of info tripped her survival instinct.
Chances veto gets used: 60/40 depending on WHO makes Haleena feel safest and doesn’t trip her survival instinct. If I know her mind at all, she’s thinking jury votes for the first time now that she won a comp.
I think the Josh/Betty convo about who pitched them was about Gino b/c they were told that Gino was the one who was running Marty’s HOH. Plus – Kev/Hal IMMEDIATELY told Betty she had their vote while Summer & the showmance were the ones who didn’t lock it down until the night prior/day of.
I took that as Josh planting early seeds with Betty for when they need the showmance cut b/c she was so gung ho about working with them.
Something to remember is – as much as Josh knows that Gino likes him & he’s in the middle it was G who rubber-stamped him going up (and he’d wanted Moose up with him initially) while he believes Marty’s rant in HOH & banging was Kevin trying to flip the noms off Josh AND then Kevin winning POV to save him in spite of others not wanting it used.
Josh MESSED UP big time by not telling the Dummies the things you noted above (I had a post ready to go this AM about that precise conversation & forgot to hit publish as I was also writing 15 NBA odds previews — OOPS. You had it covered though so I just turfed it.
I watched that video like 5 times to look at Kev’s face for reaction & thought he was masterful (other than biting his fingers off). He CLEARLY was going to want Moose out and we’ve learned today Haleena does too but Kev played along & made it seem like it was “a conversation” not pushing his agenda.
What I felt came through in Josh’s push was HE is the safest with Moose & Summer over Marty so it behooves his game to get out Marty bc it’s not likely either of the other two nominate him while he KNOWS Moose would nominate both the Ghosts.
I don’t see it as Josh turning on the Dummies – rather it’s Josh keeping all his options maxed out to his advantage.
I could be looking at this from a bias b/c I love The Ghosts but I still think Josh’s preference is Kev/Hal (the Dummies) over the showmance b/c he sees how hard Gino will be to beat.
He’ll also believe he gets the votes from Hermon, Moose, & the showmance over either Kev or Hal (although I believe he’ll want to bring Betty as the fourth & take her to F2).
As for the POV I never expected Haleena would want to use it and the Ghosts accurately nail the fact the only people it would be bad for is themselves. I also have more faith in Haleena not using it & not feeling pressured to.
Also – not sure if you caught it but Gino was backtracking on how they would play to Marty how everyone else wanted him backdoored but “of course they weren’t going to do that”.
It seems set in stone that Marty wouldn’t target the showmance as Kevin suspects BUT — we have to expect part of Summer & Moose’s pitches to Marty to keep him will be the showmance were going to back door you. Will he believe them?
If Kevin tells him that he was told AFTER POV by two different people (not the showmance) that everyone but Marty, and the Ghosts were told – he might — who knows.
I’m also not so sure Betty is a big fan of Jace now that the dust has settled on her initial reaction to working with them. Why else tell Hal to do what’s best for HER game– she didn’t even remotely deliver that hard ball campaign Jace & her discussed.
The only way I see the POV being used is if Hal gets pulled into the DR, arm held behind her back & told ‘see where you signed on the dotted line?’ but I also think TPTB are quite happy to keep Marty in the house another week so doubtful that happens as long as Summer is safe which based on the Dummies & Betty’s vote she will be regardless of what Marty/Jace vote.
Most enjoyable part of this week for me was Gino acting like he & his showmance have the house on lock & then Haleena winning to throw a wrench in his plans. To your point, not sharing their plan with the Ghosts backfired big time & now they don’t have a reasonable argument b/c Haleena had already been setting it up to say by doing this (not using POV) I’ve done something back for Marty & I don’t owe him anymore.
She’s also going to push the 4 (showmance/her/Kev) with G -saying Marty in the 5 is fine but he has to go first which should appease G just like it did when Kevin said it.
Btw– how CRAZY is it that NO ONE has figured out how close Kev/Hal are? They say the same sh*t ALL the time especially to the showmance & Marty.
Sunday AM
VETO was an update of the toothbrushing veto from Season one (one of Emmett’s dq’s).
At the end was a puzzle everyone but Hal and Josh got stumped on.
Notice, both noms have run to Kevin instead of Haleena about the Veto. That’s a choice.
Marty is studying. Damn he’s good and fast with the details.
GIno told Summer she’ll be staying on the block when he pulls Moose off the block. (his words 3 times since last night, he’s pulling Moose off the block. He doesn’t even get to speak in the ceremony unless H. uses the Veto, take a seat Mr. Ego).
Kevin has asked Betty if she hopes Veto is used. Betty says she doesn’t care. Betty is worried this week is a double.
Betty and Jace talk about the gaslight ‘with us or with Marty’ tactic they plan to use on Hal. AND they want Moose removed. ANOTHER layer of problematic. They think Hal could have an ego trip in her head for winning Veto and really want to use it.
Hal Betty chat. Betty says Haleena should do what’s best for her game and don’t let others make her decision. Haleena questions Summer choosing Jace for veto. That was sus. Betty is going off of approved script… Hmmm. Who is the ‘others’ in this scenario?
Kevin Summer. IF noms stay the same, Summer has his vote.
Hal Kevin chat: she says everyone is going to push for her to use veto so they can backdoor Marty, but for the Ghosts game, that’s not a good idea, it’s too soon. I think Hal’s survival instinct has been tripped already (veto picks and initial response to her win).
Marty Kevin study. Marty corrects the name of the first veto comp the rest of the house is getting wrong. Marty tells Kevin Haleena is saving his ass, because he’s betrayed Gino twice now. Marty still believes the 5 is a thing, and wants Gino to be their 4th.
Between Josh wanting the veto used SO bad (so that the house goes after the showmance or Kev/Hal next), and Marty wanting to resume living in Gino’s ass…
OY VEY. Kevin’s head is going to SPIN, and he doesn’t even have the Veto.
NOTE: Entry group 2 is evicted. Marty is the last member of Entry group 4. Summer was first to enter.
Things to do. Will write a PM update later.
VERY INTERESTING conversation between Josh & Kevin outside – he says it’s best to keep Marty this week (and not sure if he’s talked to Haleena first to get there but…)
His plan is unless Jace wins HOH that the house pushes initial nominations to be Marty & Haleena and if one comes down they back door Gino.
Since they know no one would pull Marty off the block except himself it’s a great plan b/c if Gino/Jace won POV they’d just keep noms the same & the house would vote out Marty.
Earlier, in the Hal-Kev convo he had mentioned putting up Betty/Summer with the goal of taking out Gino via the backdoor & if noms stayed the same they know they could convince the showmance to take out Betty before Summer. Which I think even with Jace not liking Summer is doable. But then Haleena pondered if taking out Betty would piss Josh off & send him closer to the showmance so they tabled the second part of that decision pending if they win HOH.
What they are missing in that portion of their thoughts atm is Kev would just have to push the showmance to take out Betty (to separate her from Josh) b/c he knows they made a F4 with Betty/Josh so it would show Josh they can’t be trusted anyway (but he’s keeping that up his sleeve for now maybe so Hal doesn’t get too angry at Josh or so she doesn’t spill back to Josh who thinks he’s tighter with Kev than Hal is).
Summer had also said her plan was to put the showmance up together & Marty would be her replacement which keeps the Dummies/Betty safe – but it sounds like Josh would push for his idea except I’m not sure that’s what Summer would do b/c she seems pretty intent on breaking up the showmance & knowing they have to start OTB for that to happen (especially now that Gino told her she would’ve remained OTB if Hal used the POV).
Proving Josh is definitely tight with Kevin he ADMITS to essentially throwing every comp except Bee’s Knees. He told Kevin he could’ve won the Winner’s POV but didn’t want to win $5k b/c he knew it would put a target on his back & noted people kept bringing that fact up when Hermon went on the block.
But to admit to throwing everything — WOW— that’s some major ammo Kev now has against Josh if he needs it. Another tidbit is Josh let it slip that Summer ALSO knew about the backdoor plan which means when the time comes to cut the showmance they (the Ghosts) can use the fact that Gino told everyone in the house about that plan except the Ghosts & Marty).
OR… if the Ghosts need ammo to shift the showmance to target Josh he can drop that bomb.
Also if you can catch the Kevin/Haleena convo from earlier today it was one of the best strategy talks you’ll see from the Ghosts this season. I left it very impressed by how dialed in Haleena is b/c she was saying things to Kevin that she noted on her own such as “I think the showmance made a F4 with Josh/Betty” – something Kev was surprised to learn from Josh last night but didn’t share with Haleena – she just figured it out on her own.
Side note: When the showmance talk they decide Kevin feels like the odd man out in the 5 b/c Marty/Hal are close & they are close which is why he always wants to make a F3 with them so he’s not all alone in the group (just proving how more dialed in the Ghosts are than the showmance who literally are going to freak out when they learn what was REALLY happening all season & who was running the game).
By far, the best players in the house are the Dummies.
I also noticed that Josh is so intelligent that I think part of the reason he’s drawn to Kevin is he’s the only one Josh can have deeper strategic conversations with that don’t include emotion. It appeals to his ego.
IMHO intelligent people thirst to have those types of deep convo’s so Kevin appeals to Josh’s ego in a sense- someone who he can show off that part of himself & who’ll appreciate the degree to which he dives into the game. It might be why he’s admitting things he shouldn’t like throwing comps or telling Kev if he wanted he could memorize the wall in the pantry in 15 mins (something that the others have spent weeks studying & still don’t have fully memorized).
What is TRULY frightening is the level of detail Marty knows in daily events and house items. I’m half convinced he can tell you how many hairs are on each houseguests head.
It’s that frightening. S/R wall, he knows not just the prices of each item but the colour of the background paint in each square.
They NEED to get him out at 6-5 position or he is going to steamroll EVERYONE in the end comps.
Given Hal’s daily’s are HORRIBLE (I thought she was pulling a fast one on them, and pretending to be really bad, but that’s before she explained her studying difficulties).
Kevin’s level is about equal to Gino’s. Jace is comparable, may be a bit better, may be a bit worse. Josh Betty and Summer? Not sure. I think Josh and Summer have studied more than Betty.
At top 5 trivia and daily events become paramount.
I’m of the opinion that Kevin is actually more threatened by the social players than the physical players. I’m of the opinion that Josh is trying to keep ‘sides’ even so that he has the last pair standing with Betty and with Kevin at his side and Haleena long gone.
The house has been playing keep the showmance for numbers. That’s fine until jury, but the minute they hit jury EVERYONE should be thinking the showmance has numbers, at least one HAS to go. Some of them are not doing that.
Why Josh’s Marty Haleena plan is stupid: the Dummies have been trying to get independent numbers control of the vote, and the minute they will have it, Josh wants to give away the advantage, giving that advantage to the showmance and Betty. That’s why I say he’s drifting back to middle and away from Dummies.
Sunday 2 Afternoon PM
Philosophical Differences: Kevin and Haleena KNOW and are FINE with being VILLAINS.
Josh is concerned about being a GOOD GUY and a ROLE MODEL. Keep this in mind. It’s actually important. All three are playing the same style of game. Their perspective on their game is diametrically opposed.
Marty talked Josh listened. Kevin is the only one that has Marty’s back, but Haleena is in his corner as a friend. Can’t trust Josh again, and thinks Gino will never forget the backstabs. He insists there was a final 2 with Hermon, and he broke it when Tynesha revealed Hermon outed the alliance. Marty thinks his time is coming to leave the game.
Gino Jace conspired. Think Kevin is a lone ranger because Marty and Haleena are tight. They’ll pull Kevin in and let him name whatever he wants to name. If it gets out that they were plotting to back door Marty: say Josh, Betty, Moose and Summer came to him to back door Marty but Gino refused.
Kevin Haleena downloaded and villained. Haleena has already figured out most of what was going on without Kevin telling her Josh’s spill. She’s got A LOT of the dynamic since HOH down through observing social cues. The two of them are wicked observant about social dynamics. They know 85% of the reality. They know Josh is throwing comps, that Josh wants Marty out, that Josh the PhD. will win over either of them. IF THERE IS A DOUBLE OR TRIPLE and they have the opportunity: Gino Josh Marty noms. They aren’t sure if taking out Summer or Betty is better for them. Betty weakens Josh, and he’s never going to be okay with her going, she’s his safety net. Will Josh burn them? Counter attack in case he does: Hey Jace, What’s this about a final 4 with Josh and Betty that Josh talked about??? Hal admits she’s intentionally goading Jace’s basic bitch side, and she doesn’t mean 1/2 the crap she says with Jace, it’s all to get Jace going. They count votes, they lose next to Josh, they have a chance vs. Marty. Haleena tells Kevin even with Gino plotting to bd Marty, Marty will not easily turn against Gino. They’ve got to get Gino out as soon as possible.
Josh Kevin yank each other’s chains. Josh admits to throwing Veto. He plans to get whoever wins HOH to put Marty and Haleena on the block, maybe to back door Gino.
Josh admits to throwing everything except Bee’s knees. Josh says Marty told him Kevin is his 1. Kevin deflects that’s a lie, a shield for Marty Haleena (it’s not a lie Kevin has become Marty’s go to guy, Haleena is just the easy win in final 2 to Marty). Josh is oversharing with Kevin, and Kevin is encouraging him. Josh wants both himself and Kevin to push Marty with Haleena for noms next week. How much you wanna bet Kevin and Haleena push Marty with Josh? Now that Kevin knows Josh is likely throwing HOH again.
Kevin says they will be making enemies next week no matter what.
AN – we have quite similar takes on the house (shocker lol) but I think I have more faith in Josh being tied into the Dummies while I believe you’re spot on that Josh gets caught up with being so driven to keeping his middle position & how he’s viewed.
It seems like you believe Josh would potentially turn on the Dummies or the showmance depending on who is in power but I’m (again possibly b/c I love the Ghosts) more in the camp that believes he’d prefer to stick with the Dummies & Betty.
He knows the showmance have deals with everyone so if he’s being honest about that perspective in the game the Dummies have actually been the most loyal (other than the showmance or other duos to each other) so he should be able to rationalize Gino has been just as deceitful as anyone else in the game. Josh KNOWS the showmance has the Honey Bunch, the F4 with Betty with the Ghosts, Gino with the guys etc, etc, etc. In fact, next to Josh – it’s Gino who has the most alliances and is usually the one pitching them.
As far as Kev gas lighting Josh about him being Marty’s #1 – I do think Kev is definitely working that angle to be Marty’s top pick & THIS week Kev is his #1 but we’re talking Marty which means he’ll change views at the drop of a dime. Marty DID tell Kevin he wanted to bring Haleena to F2 b/c she sucks at comps & would be easy to beat.
So, if it was Marty making the decision I bet he’d take Haleena over Kevin every time (let’s see how long it takes Kev to start filling in Marty on how Betty/Summer/Jace all stated they’ll vote for a female over a guy).
That said, I still think Kev’s plan is to try to get to F3 definitely with Hal but tbh I think his preference would be to have Jace (F3) & perhaps Summer (F4) instead of Marty (with each of the ladies preferring to keep him over the other ladies in spite of what they say). We’ll see.
I don’t dislike Josh, I feel i have to make that clear.
I don’t like the whole I’m a heroic role model covered in mud and blood part of his game because one or the other can’t be true simultaneously.
I just think Josh wants the final three to be Kevin Josh Betty, not Kevin Josh Haleena. He’s going to weaken Kevin to make Kevin more tied to him.
Remember, as much as Josh says he wants to keep sides even, before the final four with the showmance, his eviction order he was pushing to Kevin and Haleena was Marty, Gino, Jace, Moose, Summer. He was stacking the deck in his favor and both Kevin and Hal knew it.
While he should be doing each of those things to improve his own standing, it’s the ‘clean game’ stuff he says that bothers me. He ISN’T playing a clean game.
Feeds down for over 2 and a half hours on a Sunday night. When there have been multiple feed cuts all day.
If this were season 2,3,5, or 7 I’d be saying everyone is locked in the HOH while either Summer or Moose are crawling through a hole in the wall to find a secret power.
Oh. Yes, it WAS that obvious. Especially 3 and 5. Obvious and Commented on in the house on feeds BOTH times.
If they do they do. If they don’t they don’t.
I hate twists, but it’s BBCAN. Expect twists.
That said, I’m just projecting. I have no evidence to support a twist being introduced today. It wasn’t mentioned on Thursday’s episode. Usually they mention upcoming twists so that they can get more views and charge more for ad space.
I hope there’s no twist. Moose will say anything and then immediately turn around and say the opposite to whatever audience he’s currently with. Summer is cringey and her attitude sucks. I’m in the same boat as far as The Ghosts go, they are my favorite. I didnt expect to like Kevin at the start of the season but he’s 100 grown on me and Hal has a great read on the other houseguest. To me Josh needs to be forced to pick a team or gtfo lol cuz you can’t play the middle forever. I also gotta say a big shout out and thanks to Un Autre Nom and TTOTambz for the excellent recaps and thoughts. I read you guys faithfully and you’re spot on. I do catch the feeds time to time but not always. So thanks !! Looking forward to reading your new posts 🙂
Feed block now at seven hours.
GUESS:
So, they got food, have nots are allowed to participate, and they got booze.
They’re hoping for some kind of drama while they pull people into d/r and give them storyline advice. Expect the have nots to be extremely ill and bloated tomorrow. This will make a four and a half minute filler segment in episode Wednesday.
Either that or you know… Marty ran out of Watermelon and his meds are late so he’s making the nominees and Have nots wear matching outfits and not talk game to anyone….
OH THAT’S A JOKE DON’T TAKE IT SERIOUSLY. I’m still traumatized by seeing watermelon on big brother a couple years later, it has nothing to do with Marty, he was just eating it by the bowl full.
It’s as possible an explanation as anything else.
Haven’t looked at twitter in a while… let’s see. oh. okay. Let’s unsee. because i don’t think that word means what the dictionary says in the way it’s being used.
How about facebook… oh. hmmm. that’s not even physically possible for a human being given skeletal structure limitations… why would they want him to… I don’t want to know.
Classy. eyes bugged out before a sideye directly into an eyeroll for those extra dismount points. Wooow.
Feeds WILL return to them in bed in about fifteen if liquor has actually been provided. Liquor sponsor…. but Canwest and Global don’t want people to see them drinking…. when they used to have luxury comps BASED on getting sloshed.
Someone call Arisa and remind her. Hell, pretty sure I remember a couple episodes of Lofters that HAD to be alcohol induced.
Feeds Return 1243am bbt. Lights out red bedroom. Josh appears to be saying goodnight to Summer and Haleena.
Feeds went back down early this morning.
Okay. THAT suggests another “Someone wants to quit, how do we make it look like storyline situaltion a la Jess”.
Sorry.
Only explanation I’ve got left.
SO here are the options.
a) They are twisting plot and storyline a la Keifer.
b) They are telling Haleena to use veto.
c) They are planting a twist they weren’t going to use until next week as cover.
THESE are the options I’m left with considering a seven hour feed block, sleepcam, five plus hour feed block.
Feeds have been down about 40% of the day, each day, since the last eviction.
Some of that we can put on the change in schedule due to Buzzkilled dying on Thursday night.
But.
Not all of it.
I’ve got the weekly chart ready to go, but at this point I’ve got Marty’s face floating around a nomination spot because there’s something fishy in the state of Denmark.
All we know about wake up today was they didn’t get food. There’s complaints about slop and being tired / hungry (from Moose who isn’t a have not that I’m aware of). We also know Kevin said Marty is a maniac when Marty was called to D/R this morning.
So if veto is used we can call bullshit just as much as we could call bullshit when Jess was not allowed to play in a non HOH comp as outgoing HOH (Oh come ON, saying you are ineligable as outgoing HOH to participate in a comp to NOT be HOH? That there was bullshit). We know there was no intention to use veto. Plans were being made for the upcoming week with the veto unused as a catalyst. If veto is used this is a prodomanipulation.
If a twist suddenly appears, it’s prodomanipulation because NO TWIST was announced as incoming. Arisa announces twists on Thursday episodes.
FEEDS RETURN
There has been a slop infraction. Not sure if the whole house is on slop. First time in BBCAN since season 6 that someone was called for breaking have not rules. (they’ve been broken plenty, it just doesn’t get called out).
A secret power seems to have been announced. Someone earned a secret power while feeds were down.
Remember the red ribbon Marty found week three in one of the couches? Everyone thinks that’s where a power was. Everyone thinks Marty has a power because he wakes up earliest and searches while everyone is asleep.
Me: Marty doesn’t have a power.
Monday PM
Jace and Gino discuss who could have earned the secret power. They settle on Marty. Marty has sworn to Gino that Marty isn’t after Gino ever.
Kevin/Moose/Hal/Josh discuss the gavel eviction power. They speculate if the winner would have used it if it was secret identity, whether the winner could have had coup d’etat or complete HOH takeover power.
Gavel to me sounds more like only one vote counts in the eviction (sole judge), but hey, what do I know. (Gary eviction by Demetries on reverse week would provide precedent).
They say the power had/has to be used this week (unverifed).
The power was not used so far. They all say expedia or beach room location.
Haleena read the notification to the house.
Suspects mentioned(alphabetically): Gino, Hal, Josh, Kevin, Marty.
EVERY SINGLE HOUSE GUEST HAS ASKED CANADA TO GIVE THEM A POWER at this point, but it’s just production roulette.
Marty is explaining Marcellas (bb3). He’s twisted the moral of the story. In his version Marcellas was a good guy for not using veto (that would have seen Marcellas voting to save his friend Amy, with Lisa on the block as replacement nom). He doesnt’ realize NOT using the VETO was guaranteeing his own eviction instead of flipping the vote to save Amy and evict Lisa (the jury picked winner). If Marcellas had used veto, Jason and Danielle would 99.9% have been final 2.
SPECULATION
This would explain Marty finding something in the sand while he was in the lawnchair, while Summer and Gino were discussing her being expendable to him in the chairs right behind him. A big question mark symbol by Marty and a smile with a touch at the temple.
I thought he just found a piece of loose flashing keeping the liner down for the sand. But it was ODD. He then spoke to his wife in French.
I’m just projecting. Hell, anyone could have it.
So, Marty was tossed a bone to keep from having another Marty outburst? Here I thought he just went nuts and had another tirade day they had to block feeds for, but maybe they gave the baby his bottle? They’re really going to try to Adel (season 2) edit this guy?
WE’VE GOT A BUTT VETO POWER THING OUT THERE.
Me: (again) Marty doens’t have a power. Please don’t give Marty a power.
I honestly DON’T KNOW if they’ve even DONE the Veto Ceremony yet.
Oh. Haleena did not use her veto?
So far Gino has acted like he found the power to Jace jokingly when she asked.
So far Jace has said Marty or Summer must have found it.
So far Jace has told Gino she found a clue in the HOH yesterday… a clue in the flowers.
Who knows. Could be true. Could be false. Could be just another Jace thinks she’s playing thing.
MONDAY
Campaigning Starts.
Summer / Kevin:
K tells her that anyone saying they are undecided is lying. He listens to her pitch and gives her some help / pointers.
S tells K that Moose has been saying Kevin’s name, especially to Jess. K already knows (he actually knows both S and M pushed him to Jess, almost everyone did).
S wants to know why Marty didn’t use his power and put Jace on the block. K says he’s not strategic.
S says she’d put up the showmance to break them apart but doesn’t want to nominate both of them, she just hopes the house would break them up if she put one on the block.
Summer / Betty:
with a power out there, they have to get rid of Marty.
B says if Marty takes her out, she’s going to tell him she is poisoning the jury against him.
Kevin / Josh: If Marty wins Josh must tell Marty about the Gino/Jace/Betty/Josh final four, but wait until HOH, don’t do it now.
Summer is telling people her puzzle pieces were wrong.
Dear Summer: Keep blaming production. That’s not going to piss off drgremlins that have to monitor the complaints board. And yes, I”M SURE complaints spiked when she said that. As I look back, I note she throws comps less convincingly than Josh, and she’s thrown a lot of comps, but in most instances she’s blamed the comp. Stand down. Not everything is Buzzkilled buzzers that malfunctioned across the board ( watch back at how many people swatted their buzzers repeatedly. EVERYONE).
Campaigning continues
Moose / Josh play chess. Moose says he’s a known commodity, Summer is not. He pushes to Josh that Gino and Jace would be down for a final four with Moose and Josh.
Summer has been in beach room the whole time sitting, pops her head out, says she heard everything.
Betty is getting on my nerves ! She’s such a horrible player – does she even know how BBCan is played ?
EPISODE REVIEW: All those lost hours of feeds crammed into an hour Part One because half of Wednesday will be feedblock material as well.
Arisa says Buzzkilled died.
Recap
Marty flopped. Kevin won veto. Hermon was Kevin and Haleena’s victim.
Recap includes another allusion to the dysfunctional Buzz. It’s a trivia before after HOH.
Post Eviction:
Betty d/r Hermon gone, I feel amazing. Moose d/r choose winner or be winner.
Summer I’m loyal.
Betty d/r uncertainty was a definite eye opener. Summer not loyal.
Marty d/r I was a good HOH. Will everyone else think he’s a snake. (ED. cringe)
Kevin d/r 5 reveal. Marty shield.
Gino d/r 5 is dead.
They see the fridge is locked (Thursday morning). Everyone upset. Josh REALLY upset.
Jace: why? Josh is falling apart. Why are we on slop?
Kevin: everyone wants HOH (ED. except the season comp throwers).
Most points after 9 questions wins. BEFORE / AFTER
Summer d/r says she throws but she’s done throwing.
Invisileena d/r wants to win. I hate being called a floater.
Summer Hal wrong. (usual comedic fodder moment).
five have cards and forfeit a point. Summer Jace Marty are haves Gino as HOH is probably a Have.
Gino: Summer throws again.
Haleena and Betty wrong.
Josh is leading with 5 points. ED. Not showing he’s throwing. He’s throwing.
Josh d/r how did i blow that lead ( ED. because you are playing a centre game and throwing every comp, dear).
Jace d/r: me and gino are leading yay us. Jace later says threw.
GINO WNS HOH.
Kevin d/r: Gino plays dumb. he’s not.
Gino thinks Marty and Kyle are big resume moves (ED. is it though?)
HOH REVEAL.. I still DON’T CARE.
Moose for Wendy’s will do what Gino wants. ANYthing. OOPS.
Kevin: Moostake (ED. my translation)
Post HOH reveal.
Marty nervouses. Kevin saying chill Marty.
Kevin d/r gotta sell you’re 100% about the 5 if you’re Marty.
Gino cleans the HOH Pinesol smudger.
Gino wants Marty out.
Jace comes to visit. Moose and Summer pawns.
Moose Wendy’s. Pawntalk. Gino Paras talk. He doesn’t know who Paras is either.
Send people out on a good note (jury management, and he wants to backdoor Mr. Poopypants).
Moose pushes Haleena and Summer. A twice volunteer says somebody else.
Reveal of the Gino/Josh/Jace/Betty 4.
Gino/ Josh
Haleena can’t go up, she’ll choose Marty in veto, same Kevin. Five deal still exists.
Summer? Not scared of someone that can’t win comps.
Josh grabs Kevin. The crash test dummies are his priority. (ED. I still say KEVIN is his priority not Dummies).
Marty leaving is bad for Dummies good for Summer Moose Betty, Kevin wonders if Josh is a possible target d/r.
Summer / Kevin
Summer thinks she isn’t touching the block (convo from Sat pre noms).
Marty / Gino
Telling Marty half the story.
Marty d/r i trust Gino (ED. UMMMMM)
Gino / Jace
She’s his favorite. He’s catching feelings ED….. Uh… Oh this is in response to telling Summer the showmance was created by Production and he has no choice. Riiiiight. Re- read the section on abandoning free will to Gino I see.
Summer / Gino
pawntalk. Summer is not a pawn. Summer is petty.
Summer thinks Gino only has the 2 wives. (ED. Look at the chart snookums).
Gino / Andrew.
Summer on the block. Moose is the second, a strong middle player.
Stronger player preference. Josh / Betty renom.
Marty shield talk. NO-body said Marty….
Kevin d/r he’s a good liar if he’s lying. (ED. I didn’t buy Gino’s spiel on feeds, near stammer about Marty talk was a dead tell, phrasing with question inflection on non question declarations as a check to see if his lie was being bought was another).
How did Kevin miss those clear tells?
NOMINATIONS
Gino: 2 pawns D/R Marty is target.
MOOSE, SUMMER. Moose, you’re a strong social threat. Summer, you’re too comfortable.
Moose d/r bigger plan. block star.
Summer d/r don’t use your queen as a pawn. Gino is dead to Summer. (ED. do i gotta?)
HAVE NOTS:
Hal, Betty, Josh, Kevin, Moose… I don’t think Gino because he’s HOH.
CONTINUITY POLICE.
The Supposed Josh immediately grabbed Kevin after meeting with Gino.
Didn’t happen immediately. Kevin was wearing his head to toe denim look red hat When Josh was meeting with Gino. He later put on his Andrew suit. Later that night he was in his workout pant/short combo. This was After they’d both had one on ones and were comparing notes. Josh thought Marty, Kevin thought Josh was renom during that convo because they’d BOTH had their HOH meetings.
Just in case anyone thought I was bullshitting about Josh not explicitly telling Kevin everything until after Veto. Josh didn’t tell Kevin the house was in on it, actively excluding Hal and Kevin until after Veto.
was the veto used ?
Haleena did not use her veto. That’s going to be covered on Wednesday’s episode.
As well, we will learn if Jace does actually have the power, what her power is, and if she used or didn’t use (if it’s a veto it wasn’t used in veto ceremony, if it’s something more then that’s bullpuckies, because nothing was announced).
They better evict Moose
Moose leaving this week isn’t set in stone b/c his initial pitch to Kevin at least had Kev stop to consider b/c he’s offering to put up the showmance straight up & to talk to Marty about fixing things between them.
The problem with his pitch is he’s also pitched the showmance/Josh F4 and done it repeatedly. No matter how many times Gino has put him on that block that’s been his preference. He also LIED to Kevin about not knowing Hermon was pitching taking out Kev/Hal (or Marty). Moose said he mentioned it AFTER being backdoored but that’s bullsh*t – Hermon was saying those 3 for a while (& occasionally throwing in Betty or Summer).
Before leaving that convo Moose told Kevin – YOU are the only one I’ve told I’m putting up the showmance so if it gets back I know I can’t trust you.
Summer may have saved herself with the very next convo Kev has…
Shortly after the pitch by Moose, Kev asks Summer to confirm he’s not a nom option pre or post POV for her if she’s HOH. She says no & then they head to the HOH room where he gets her to confirm it & she says well wait can I ask you one question? — Would you ALWAYS use the POV? Like would it matter who is on the block would you just use it to stir up sh*t? Kev says oh – do you mean Marty – no I wouldn’t use it on him – why is that who you’re putting up? And Summer drops the bomb that if she wins HOH she intends to put up Gino & Marty (drop the mic).
The Ghosts connections are paying dividends…
Haleena & Jace are talking on the couch about Moose/Summer pitches & how scary Moose is. Then Jace spills to Hal that MOOSE told her & Gino I pitched to Kevin that I would put you two (the showmance) OTB but I’m not – I’m lying to him – just in case it comes back to you.
The relationships the Ghosts have pay off in matters like these b/c now Hal can tell Kev & while he might not have said anything normally – now that he knows Moose already spilled what he said & that it was a lie he can go tell the showmance they can’t keep Moose b/c he’s pitching to get rid of them & look loyal.
Also THAT move by Moose & him not recognizing how entrenched in the house the Ghosts are probably cemented his eviction.
I was out most of today, so I’m doing a catch up.
Tuesday am/pm
Current targets for next week:
Jace: Summer. Ghosts: backdoor Gino, otherwise Betty. Marty: Summer/Betty but likely swings back to Josh. Betty: Showmance/Marty. Summer: Jace/Marty maybe Hal Pawn.
Josh: throwing, who cares.
Last night Jace told Gino she found a clue and had to do a puzzle in order to win the gavel eviction power. She didn’t use the power. She says it lasted for just this week.
(Why wouldn’t she use it if she indeed won the power? Theories: wasn’t invisible if used. Had to replace nom before Hal used her veto, so putting up Marty would be undone. Had to replace both noms, but she’s in alliances with everyone off the block. She’s lying, it lasts more than a week).
In past seasons, if someone asked if you specifically had a power, you were not allowed to lie about what the power did… however in bbcan 2 Adel lied about the ability of his canada vote power (to the extent that he was gifted pretty much with omnipotence in the game). It’s always hit and miss for what you are capable of doing when it comes to powers depending on specific rules of each power.
Hal/Kevin asked Josh about Saving Moose. They had thought about it last night playing pool. Josh would rather keep Summer (I guess he REALLY doesn’t want to be in ANOTHER final 4 with Gino and Jace as Moose has campaigned). Hal / Kevin are a little eyerolled about Josh taking credit for Hermon’s nomination and eviction to Betty. I don’t know where they heard that.
Marty is overspilling to Josh again. He’d put Betty and Summer on the block. He mentioned Jace as well.
Moose’s campaign: Tell every pair a different target. He told Jace Kevin/Marty/Hal.
He told Kevin showmance. Guess what: they compared notes.
Tells Kevin he is with whoever keeps him until the wheels come off against the showmance. Kev asks if there is a real Moose curse (nominate Moose, you go home a week later). If Kevin doesn’t vote for him, then Kevin might be a pawn.
Moose is still pitching final 4 to Josh. He plans to pitch the same final 4 to Betty? I think?
Summer’s campaign to Kevin: She’ll put up Gino and Marty so Marty can’t save Gino.
Her campaign and campaign style aren’t very good. at all. Kevin’s been trying to help, but she seems to think her relationships save her.
Gino is in a banana hammock playing pool (lost a bet to Josh). At least it isn’t Kevin. But Marty wants his wife to get him one. Sideye. Brain draino to lose the mental images. Sideye.
Kevin and Josh almost seem to be entering Kevinrobertmartin and Johnny or Kevinrobertmartin and William or Tychon and Breydon territory. Not explaining again my offense to this storyline device. Just take my word for it: I don’t like this particular trope. Straight guy putting the gay in Game to trick the silly hypersexual unable to think beyond a forbidden fruit shag gay guy. Burn the trope.
Jace tells Haleena that Kevin doens’t like it when people talk bad about Marty, so they can’t bash Marty around Kevin anymore. Further, she says it’s ridic that Moose is selling a game relationship to the showmance in his campaign, they don’t have a game relationship.
She says Moose is saying he’d target the showmance, but he already told Jace and Gino he was going to do that. Hal tells Jace she thinks she’s number 5 in the group of 5 to every member of the group (distancing herself from Marty and Kevin in Jace’s eyes). Jace believes she can help Hal build a better relationship with Kevin, Jace and Kevin have been buddies since week one. (ED. ohhhh Muffin, so far off the mark).
Time to prep dinner. More later.
I haven’t heard Moose’s pitch to Haleena but so far…
He’s pitched to Kevin he would go after the showmance & wants to make amends with Marty.
With Josh – he’s told him he wants a F4 with the showmance.
To the showmance he said I’m lying saying I’ll put you up but I want to go to the end with you two.
To Betty he said my plan is us three (Betty, Josh & him) to the end.
To Marty – he wants to work with him & won’t put him/Kevin up.
I mean at some point they’re going to compare notes & realize he’s told every single one of them they are safe. SMDH!
In Jace’s retell to Gino, Kevin was in tears out of concern because Moose is coming for the showmance.
So we KNOW some of the crosschecking is occurring.
Betty and Josh thus far haven’t been forthcoming to Kevin or the showmance.
Personal impressions (you don’t have to agree).
Both campaigns are bad in different ways.
Moose: a guy that was part of the ‘deserves to be in the house comp wins are all that matters’ cult is trying to bond with everyone he agreed was a floater. Doesn’t matter what he says, his face is saying frantic hyperspiel and his eyes are saying i’m smarter than you so i can lie my ass off. If a guy that has zero game relationship is telling you everything you want to hear, you damn well know he’s telling everyone else what they want to hear too.
Summer: listen to her campaign. I’d vote her ass out just for non-campaigning and entitlement in her talks. Go back and listen to her campaign an hour ago to Haleena…. damn. That was BAD. Her campaign to the others… not much better. Summer, on the block, is asking everyone who THEY are targeting. Umm dear Summer, you are in the hotseat, they don’t owe you shit, so remove the stick from you butt and the chip from your shoulder and fight to stay.
At this point, if I’m a voter, I gather the other voters and say do we want the conartist or the princess to go? Let’s throw Marty off the balcony, if he lands on his head conartist, if he lands on his ass, princess leaves.
Again, just my opinion.
Wednesday am
Kevin is working Gino early today. Playing up that ‘bond’ and alone in the game thing Gino thinks is going on. Summer told Gino she’d put Gino and Marty on the block if she wins HOH (remember when I said princess can’t campaign for shit… prime example).
Gino tells Kevin it should be unanimous to evict Moose this week, he’s already talked to Josh and Betty. Kevin tells G he doesn’t want to go to final 2 against Marty. (he already told G that Marty leaves at 5 or they are doomed earlier in the week). Kevin is pushing 5 solidarity at Gino again.
Betty reports that Moose is saying he’d put up Marty and Kevin and both are saying they’d go for the showmance.
The group discusses the possibility of a double or triple this week. Well, most of the group, Haleena is still in bed. yup.
At this point in the day, Moose is leaving tomorrow.
Yesterday Kevin made a point of telling Josh to quit throwing comps. Josh tried to say he was trying to win in three comps. He tried in two Bees Knees and Hoola hoop HOH.
Josh promises he will try to win HOH. Josh already told Betty they HAVE to throw the HOH or their game is exposed. Josh ain’t going to try to win, he’ll just throw more convincingly.
His plan if he wins last i heard was nom Marty and Haleena. I’ve already said if he’s 100% dummies, giving up voting advantage by pawning a dummy is the dumbest move that proves Josh is more with Kevin / Betty than the Dummies.
There was a food challenge task yesterday during feed outage so that have nots could eat.
In terms of game of course it’s better to get rid of Moose. Do you want to go to the end with a guy that thinks his own skill kept him in the game three times on the block? No. No you do not. Sure, you’re legitimizing princess’ entitlement issue, but seriously, if you have someone capable in comps with no ties to anyone that has survived multiple evictions, you take them out against a competitor whose game is exposed.
So, who does Summer target if Big Brother gifts her a comp win? Shush, I said the same about Hal and I’d say the same about Betty. She targets Marty, Jace and Haleena. She’d pawn Gino, she doesn’t want to get rid of Gino. Again, shush. She’s the playing for women’s solidarity in words only houseguest that uses flirt strategy to be carried.
In terms of DID YOU KNOW factoid: Betty has never fully unpacked because the last time she started to unpack, she was nominated to go on the block. Week 2. Superstitious.
Wednesday 2
More observations:
If you are an obvious comp thrower, everyone you are aligned with begins to lose trust in you. Josh and Summer should be reading this because… their closest are now questioning them repeatedly. Throwing isn’t a bad thing in early game. Throwing still in midgame?
Again, just my opinion, if i’m aligned with a me first style player that is throwing comps, I know they aren’t doing shit for me if I’m in trouble, and I’m finding a backup replacement post haste.
Josh wants to win this HOH he says, because he wants Summer and Betty to stay for another week. He says this to Kevin. If Kevin’s internal alarm bell isn’t ringing he’s an idiot. But then again, Kevin hasn’t told Hal that Josh would pawn her, or that both Summer and Betty would pawn her (Hal suspects Summer and Betty would).
Should Kevin want Summer or Betty gone? They are more tied to Josh and each other than they are Kevin so yes. Should he want the showmance gone? They are more tied to each other than Kevin so yes. Should Kevin want Marty gone? Yes, as soon as one of B/S and one of the showmance is gone. Marty’s knowledge of house events is too strong to take to top 5.
Josh? Yes he should be wanting to keep Betty. Keeping Summer and Betty and the Dummies? Greedy, and liable to raise eyebrows because the dummies know the other two would pawn them.
At this point, anyone that isn’t raising an eyebrow at Josh is playing stupid.
The only people that should want Marty to stay are Kevin and Haleena. But only to 6.
The only people that should want Jace to stay are Gino and Haleena. Maybe to 3.
The only people that should want Gino to stay are Jace… and Gino. maybe Kevin because Gino is a bros bro, and thinks comp wins are the only factor for consideration.
Not sure Summer & Betty are tied that closely to each other — Betty was STILL trying to pitch to the showmance (as you noted this morning) about voting out Summer but Jace shut it down.
The Ghosts did due diligence planting seeds with Jace specifically that S/B is fractured so she now knows it’s better to keep Summer AND I just don’t buy Jace is fond of any of the women except Haleena.
While Summer admits to being petty – Betty is definitely “Bitter Betty” & may have outwardly forgiven her but will NEVER forget last week.
I like Betty, she makes me laugh but she’s not much different than Summer in that her agenda is sooooooooooooooooo obvious — take out Marty (b/c she’s his top target) & get payback on Summer.
I could be wrong about Haleena but I have a feeling each of the ladies would keep her over the other women. Jace & Summer don’t like each other, the Summer – Betty situation hasn’t been remedied & everyone now has comments Betty has made that can drive a further wedge between them if needed (she wins HOH or POV). Honestly, I don’t think Jace is a big fan of Betty either based on her face when they interact. I only see her hang out for any length of time (aside from Gino) with Hal or Kev.
I saw the convo between Hal/Kev where she told him Moose spilled to Jace which is what led to him downloading that info to Jace (and her telling G during the mask application in HOH). The showmance is everywhere but the two main constants are either Josh or Kev with them KNOWING Josh is beloved whereas they won’t think Kev can win b/c they are blind to his game.
I sort of agree about who should want to keep Jace – but if the showmance gets split & it’s not at the direct hands of the Ghosts I think Jace will be glued to them. Hal/Kev were the first people to tell both Betty/Summer they were voting to keep them & I think things like that simple gesture pay dividends (actions) but of course would immediately be extinguished if they were the HOH to put them OTB.
Josh is definitely pushing Betty to put up Hal beside Marty as the pawn – but will Betty have the balls to fracture that relationship instead of putting up Jace or Summer (or KEVIN)? The reason I’m not sure is when Jace/Betty discussed their strategy with Hal to use the POV Betty didn’t do any of it – telling her to do what was best for HER game. And for as much as Josh wants to stay in the center by selfishly never winning if he didn’t stop Betty from putting up Kev there would be hell to pay after Kev made sure he was saved.
Agree with you that Marty HAS to go by F6 (ideally in a double).
As for Josh pawning Hal – Kev/Josh talked yesterday with Kev saying WHY would we ever put each other OTB – it makes zero sense to me.
I’ve reached the stage in the game where I revel in the game play/observations of the Ghosts so I’m probably blinded by them (biased) but I just keep seeing each of Summer/Josh & even Betty going to Kevin when they need to vent, talk strategy or feel better & again I think that pays dividends when he’ll need them.
Summer already told G she’s putting him/Marty OTB & I think she would then put up Jace if one came down.
If Betty wins HOH I’m sure Kevin will push HARD (with Josh & Betty) for her to put up Jace or Summer instead (and if Josh refuses it could end the CTD).
Kev was working G this AM that Josh has to go (he’s playing along w/ Josh but I think he’s fully aware of what Josh is trying to do. They got alcohol yesterday & it led to some cockyness from Josh that ticked off the Ghosts as they reviewed how safe J is – the throwing of comps but what really pissed them off is J told (Betty? the showmance?) that he was the reason why Hermon went on the block.
They aren’t going to go out of their way to set the record straight (FOR NOW) but it really annoyed them he had the audacity to say that, after everything they did to make sure he was safe & to ensure they got Hermon backdoored.
B/c the hamsters know jury has started my guess is Kevin outs the Ghosts and/or the Dummies in his GBM to Moose so he’ll take that intel to jury. Hermon was Mr. Bitter when he did exit interviews saying Kevin would rank dead last for his vote. I wonder how the pair would react to learning about the Dummies (Ghosts) b/c they both have spent the majority of the game believing THEY were running the show (Hermon even vocalized it during Marty’s HOH).
Would they continue to be bitter learning they were outplayed in this game? Or would they recognize and credit the move (especially once it’s revealed Josh is a part of it)?
I wonder.
Hermon sure acted like he’d have a hard time crediting ANY one he didn’t hand-selected to be a part of his many alliances so I’m not sure about him & Moose is delusional about his game mastery.
I’ll be soooooooooooooo annoyed if Kevin reaches F2 & they don’t credit him (or Hal) for how he/she got there & were so instrumental on their exits & how they outplayed them.
I think the Betty / Hal weird relationship thing isn’t a friendship and most assuredly isn’t a game pair of any kind.
I don’t think Betty forgave Hal for turning on the Mandems after the Mandems turned on Haleena to get her up as renom WHILE there was flip the vote talk afoot.
I do think Betty would use Hal as a pawn before she would ever use Summer as a pawn, simply because Betty is the most bitter about the backdoor failing this week.
She told Summer the reason Hal saved Marty is Marty promised her final 2.
Haleena is wary of Betty. Week one (week two Hal said Betty was no longer her top target anymore), added to her instinct read not to trust Betty have made that the case. I don’t know what was happening week one, but from what more than one person has insinuated, apparently Betty was a bit of a bitch.
I think the jury will be bitter. Telling Moose or Hermon how someone else played the game in circles around them will just make them more bitter. The two are predisposed to keep the entire comp wins determine value in the game attitude, giving greater value only to the people they were in an alliance with.
I think the paradigm of Kevin being the centre and trying to keep himself in the centre between Josh and Haleena is definitely creating the reason for Josh and Haleena to be plotting against each other. Josh has always wanted Betty in the third seat in that triangle (even though her game style wouldn’t fit). Haleena? She is now thinking Josh is taking undue game credit, and he’s too close to Kevin and to Betty and Summer for her liking (she knows the Siblings existed and they were sorta with Josh). Chance Haleena actually targets Josh? Not high. Chance Haleena tries to flip a vote if Josh is someone else’s pawn: high. Of the two, Josh is more likely to say to Kevin ‘the entire house says Haleena, i can’t have that many people looking at me, it will draw attention to us.’
I don’t actually see an avenue to get Josh out at the moment. I do see avenues for Hal to be evicted.
Sidebar: I’m not sure if i just missed it, but I’ve yet to see anyone campaign to Jace. They’ve both campaigned to Gino.
I don’t get Moose’s campaign.
Targeting:
He tells people he’s after the showmance, while telling other people he’s close to the showmance.
He’s saying he’d put Marty on the block with a pawn, to the people he’d use as a pawn
Sideye.
Me logic:
Anyone else think there’s a logic error in that approach?
As far as targeting… a nominee for eviction should never name names, they should instead tell voters they will help them take out their targets, whoever that may be, without naming names.
His entire campaign depends on nobody talking to each other.
That doesn’t seem wise.
WEDNESDAY EPISODE
Feedblocked storyline, part 2 (nothing fishy about 13 hours of feed block before veto ceremony at alllllll).
Announcing a secret power on a WEDNESDAY episode. They’re trolling now.
POST NOMINATIONS
Moose d/r wanted Josh on the block (Moose today is pissy Josh isn’t giving him 100% support).
Summer d/r I won’t forget this even though i’m a pawn.
Gino / Summer talk, then Gino / Moose talk. Moose still pushing Josh. grimace. Dear Moose, you haven’t been in an official alliance in two weeks.
VETO SELECTION
Moose picks Josh. Summer picks Jace. Gino spins Haleena.
Haleena isn’t in on the plan, can’t win a comp, is working with Marty is the feeling.
Moose / Josh celebrate. Haleena is the only worry, lock in and win Moose says to comp throwing Josh. snicker. oops.
VETO
Gonna need someone to tell me how the season klutz won a balance beam over a dancer and a figure skater…. just saying.
Summer d/r i plan to win not throw.
Jace it’s hard, haven’t trained for this.
Josh then Summer then Haleena are on puzzle. Hard puzzle they say. floating puzzle makes it harder. Jace then Moose join puzzle.
Kevin called it a tooth puzzle and they can’t figure out what the puzzle is.
Gino says anyone but Haleena. One hour 18 minutes later.
Haleena and Josh have figured out the bridge to the puzzle.
HALEENA WINS VETO
Summer doesn’t want to be on the block all week.
Moose is mad the only person that had to lose won.
Ghosts want Moose gone. plan to play up the five.
Final 5 is what she’s going to play. She tells Gino If Marty goes, Gino goes next. Gotta stick to the 5 and keep our Marty shield.
ed. Dear Gino, making a house plan to evict someone, but keeping 2 people out of the plan means it wasn’t a house plan.
Marty and Jace talk. Take Moose out. Maybe now wasn’t the time.
Gino d/r Moose evicted is still a good HOH.
IMPLANTED TROLLING TASK AND POWER
TV clip… the flowers. with a pink note in a plastic rose. Jace finds the note. Phone number 555-1212. Jace needs to get to the phone room. She’s .pretending to stretch. Like they’ve ever stretched inside when the inner back yard is open Jace goes to the phone. She forgets how to use a rotary phone. Secret room. Secret power. Must find three keys. If she’s caught there is no secret power. Jace needs to find keys. Door 9 has a key. Door 4 has a key. Door 19 has a key. Back to phone room. Secret room riddle. Must go to door 11 for the secret room. solve a puzzle veto with an eye in centre. five seconds remaining and she get the “out of the floor butt veto” unseen since season 3.
Even after the veto has been played, it must be played this week. IF she reveals before the ceremony, then she is instantly evicted. Jace gets an extra veto.
Jace doesn’t know if she wants to use it. Jace wants to use it first instinct even though Gino is shifting course, but she doesn’t know.
Gino/Jace chat: Keep Marty this week? She wants to make sure. Moose WILL take the shot, Marty might take the shot is the big thought.
VETO CEREMONY
Moose: use the game passion to save me.
Summer: Kind cute sassy, classy Cheer like speech.
Superstitious, willing to take any bad luck that comes. Haleena doesn’t use veto.
Haleena immediately called to d/r. Comes out with an envelope.
there is a secret veto in play. Houseguest who earned it has the power.
Moose: I will play the game for you secret veto person if you save me.
Summer: if you use it use it, if you don’t kiss my black ass.
Secret veto holder chose not to reveal themselves.
VETO UNUSED. SECRET VETO UNUSED.
Jace d/r Marty going home isn’t good for Jace’s game. Mose almost had her.
Summer d/r she knows who the secret veto holder is. ONLY if prodo told her.
SUMMER OR MOOSE WILL BE EVICTED.
Wednesday pm.
Moose is pushing a not a final 2 to Josh. Wants Josh to announce his intention to keep Moose to the house.
Josh is doing the middle of the house math in his head (I can see he just carried the 1).
Realistically, Hal, Kev and Betty have all considered Moose’s proposal. This afternoon Hal and Kev decided that given the variables and Moose saying he is with the showmance, insulating the showmance even more is bad for the Dummies let alone the Ghosts.
I still contend Moose’s campaign depends on everyone in the house failing to communicate his campaign to each other. Mid game is still group play for numbers, so communication still happens. That SHOULD bite Moose. This doesn’t mean he’s dead in the water. That means Moose is going to have to try some authenticity at some point. I don’t think he’s pulled authentic as a strategy yet.
Going to need a little help here, I’m on allergy meds again, so I might be a bit dopey.
WEDNESDAY END OF NIGHT
The more people say Marty loses f2 against anyone, the more i’d be invested in keeping Uncle Fester around. Just me? And I’m not a huge fan of Marty, but he’s quickly become the Sabrina you drag against their will to finals. I know Kevin is considering it, I can see it. Hal already had the thought, that’s why Marty is her number 2 or 3.
Kevin and Jace’s convo was odd. It sounds like Kevin was planting triple suggestions in Jace’s head? He not only mentioned Josh but Haleena as potential nom/renom cases? Hmm. He’s playing with the numbers? Without her block virginity, Haleena is his perfect final 2 on paper. The jury respects her less than anyone, and while others know parts of Kevin’s game, the only people that know anything about Haleena are Kevin and a little bit Marty. Kevin in a triple wants to be a vote, not the HOH, and is covered no matter who leaves (he might actually prefer Summer / Betty or Summer / Josh leave). Kevin says he isn’t worried about Gino or Marty, but Josh terrifies him because without winning comps he could get the majority of the jury votes. So Kevin is implanting FOR A TRIPLE: noms would be Summer, Betty and Josh. if one wins veto, then Haleena is pawn and kept by the 5 alliance.
Jace and Gino are talking about Haleena being renom in a triple if one of Summer or Betty or Josh come off the block. I’m not sure if it’s just to take her block virginity, or something more. So Kevin used to be Jess’ gut, and now he’s Jace’s idea and Gino’s plan.
Marty, therefore, is no longer the target in a triple for Gino, or Jace, thanks to Kevin.
THIS IS ONLY FOR A TRIPLE where a nom wins veto. In event of a double: Betty and Summer are noms, Josh replacement unless Josh wins veto and removes one, then Haleena becomes pawn.
At first I thought Kevin might be planting this for reaction dirt to take to Haleena. I doubt that now. Kevin is playing the numbers and hoping Gino Jace and Marty would stick to the five.
If Kevin knew about the Honeybunch, which doesn’t exist but could easily come about if Josh or Summer win HOH…. would he be doing this?
Any triple would not happen tomorrow. it Would happen next Thursday (week 8 end).
If Kevin is including Gino and Marty in his vote count… who does Kevin think leaves first in the triple? I dunno. As I said, my IQ is currently cut in half due to being allergic to nature.
They’ve gone to bed, currently Moose is still being evicted.
Get well soon and thanks for these updates!
Feeds went down before wake up call.
No idea.
Maybe they needed to have a production notes meeting.
Tinfoil Time
Has anyone else considered using season 9 to draw parallels? I realize we’ve got the 14/16 hg’s difference to contend with. but look at the salients they have in common.
9 Week one safety for multiple hg’s and the credit went to an early season narrator / star (Spicy V) for the season.
10 Week one safety for 4 houseguests, with the Hero edit (HOH winner) being Hermon.
They are both first juror? Hmm. Interesting.
Can we parallel Rohan to either of the nominees? Yeah, I could make a case.
That means the next evictee should be the season Tina. I can make the case for three of them being the Tina.
I don’t really know why, but I’m finding it easier and easier to draw parallels between the two seasons the more I ponder.
I want to thank both you, another name, and TTOTambz for keeping us updated on the goings on inside of the house as well as your perspectives. You are both entertaining to follow.
THURSDAY EVICTION EPISODE Week 7
Preamble: As far as i saw, neither nominee ASKED for the veto holder to save them. Both, however seem to think she should have. And we’re still uncomfortable with the word ‘entitled’? mmkay.
Notes: with May 5 being the finale, and 8 people left after tonight’s eviction: Week 8 HAS to be a triple eviction in order for the numbers to make sense. Be warned in advance.
Moose leaving would not change the alliance set up in the house whatsoever according to charting. Summer leaving would alter backups, but no main alliances. For someone that was the most diversified and protected houseguest in week 5, she’s tanked herself with complacency since then.
Most of the house says they are targeting Marty or Gino this coming week, other names mentioned as target or pawn: everyone but Kevin. If you have to ask who is running the game, that is a big indicator nobody has picked up on.
RECAP
Marty was the target. Two chances…. two lost opportunities. Neither Veto was used.
Arisa: plans fell apart. Summer or Moose will join Hermon in jury. HOH will be MOUNT HOH.
Post Veto Ceremony
Jace d/r: who had the power house paranoia.
Marty had it is Gino’s theory.
Summer d/r: Marty had the power, he’s dead to her.
Whole house thinks Marty.
Everyone is playing Marty’s game says Betty.
Marty is thanking Jace or Kevin if they had power.
Marty d/r Betty had it?????
Haleena / Marty talk. Marty will not target Gino. Maybe Jace if Marty wins HOH. There was a backdoor afoot. Done or not done, Gino is insulated. Marty wants Haleena to win HOH. ED. oh Marty, i think prodogremlins have done all they can DO.
CAMPAIGNING
Summer / Haleena. Not a good chat imo.
Summer d/r: Mad Haleena didn’t use veto… ED. we never saw Summer ask her to use it. She went to Kevin and Jace because she didn’t want to go to Haleena.
Moose / Josh. Moose d/r: wishes either veto were used. He’s worried they’ll keep a floater over him.
Moose lies about having Jace’s vote. He wants to go far with Josh.
Betty / Summer. Replaying last week in reverse.
Petty Betty couldn’t play this real. Summer is after showmance Marty and Haleena.
She won’t make promises. Betty thinks her campaign is a 3/10. ED. Betty is generous.
Filler. Gino and Jace date with veto reveal.
He doesn’t believe her at first.
Gino d/r: he’s proud of her for ruining his backdoor plan, it solidifies their trust. ED. Wutt? No really, that’s basically what he said. scratches head…. wut?
CONTINUITY POLICE ALERT
Last week’s pre HOH Summer flirts with Gino in front of Jace. THIS WAS LAST WEEK
Not part of the campaign this week. AT least they cut that Hermon was at the table.
CAMPAIGN PART TWO
Moose / Kevin: Everyone coming after Marty.
Kevin d/r: everyone leaves with warm fuzzies post Moose campaign. Post Summer campaign everyne laughs how BAD that was.
Filler. Backyard Booze afternoon.
Earlier this week. (Josh got tipsy and was a little cocky as per later conversations).
CAMPAIGN PART THREE
They all know it’s hourly. Gino isn’t a Math guy. They’ve known the red door is hourly for weeks.
Summer / Jace. Summer won’t promise. She says I’ll consider listening to what you have to say if you have power. Ed. she further asked everyone who they were targeting.
Moose / Betty. I’ll work with you. Let’s work together. I am consistent. She won’t commit.
Betty d/r: how can you not vote for him.
Betty / Josh: Maybe we should keep Moose Betty says. Betty is pushing for Moose so that he goes after the other pairs (Gino/Jace and Kev/Hal). ED. Betty really has forgotten who gave her their vote first unconditionally last week by this edit.
EVICTION VOTE
Summer: Boring without me. Arisa use the power of the afro.
Moose: Loyal honest and true. Moose curse when I leave if you did me dirty.
Evict Moose
Haleena, Marty, Jace, Betty, Josh, Kevin.
Moose unanimously evicted 6-0.
Moose thinks he was the biggest threat to win and was too loyal (ED. NO alliances since week 5, WHO was he loyal to?). NO GOODBYE MESSAGES SHOWN ON AIR? Hmm. In house he was told he’s too big a threat to keep by Kevin and a couple others he says.
HOH COMP: MOUNT HOH
Endurance comp hang on to the pegs, body pressed to sides.
Kevin is already struggling. He found the side pose everyone else was in.
Water.
Eviction protection vote again.
Thursday triple eviction.
Chart will wait until after the HOH and safety vote winner is revealed.
MARTY IS NOT ELIGIBLE AS THE LAST SAFETY VOTE WINNER.
To anyone looking to vote. My suggestion:
figure out who HOH is first.
I’m not a voter, I don’t care.
Trends: Facebook and french speaking / east cost likely to vote Gino.
Twitter more likely to vote Summer.
Me: i wanna know the HOH to decide if i want to monkeywrench their plan or help them.
But hey…
run around like chickens with your head cut off voting blind is an option too.
BBCAN ANNOUNCEMENT
FEEDS WILL NOT RETURN TONIGHT.
They are doing the vote blind so that viewers can’t mobilize to interfere with the HOH’s plan because nobody knows who the HOH is.
So. If the feed clicks on at 130am for sleep positions, we may have a clue to the HOH, otherwise:
Chicken with your head off voting willy nilly it is.
Adendum:
Tonight, because Gino wanted to backdoor Marty, the facebookers are turning to Kevleena instead.
Twitter is still saying sorry Josh, you’lll likely be fine, vote Summer.
Me:
Targets named for this week: Marty and Gino backdoor if backdoor isn’t available look at pawns. Pawns named: everyone but Kevin.
So saving Kevin isn’t really important if EVERYONE in the house wants to keep him safe, and drawing attention to him with safety puts a big target on him in the triple (if that’s what you want go for it). If you are a Marty fan you’re out of luck. if you are a fan of anyone else… do what you’re going to do.
I don’t vote for these things because honestly, I haven’t believed in the fairness of a fan vote since season 6 when the rules of voting stated production had the right to cancel votes during or after the voting period without notification. Yeah, that’s right, I read the season 6 terms and conditions of voting because something didn’t add up according the numbers they released after a previous fan vote. I’m not saying don’t participate. I’m telling you why I don’t participate. Please do vote if you want to vote.
I wish Marty could get Canada’s votes to protect him next week. That’s too bad that they removed him from the list. Canada should be able to vote for all the remaining players… just my 2 cents. I won’t be voting.
Unless they removed him cause he won HOH
Like most other repeated fanvotes, once you win, you can’t win it again.
It should have been expected Marty would be removed from contention.
Tbh I had forgotten that myself.
Not like he’s in danger. I mean, he’s HOH.
Marty is HOH agaaaaaain
UPDATE:
Feeds down 25 hours now.
Reminds me of invisibe HOH weekend.
If they’re waiting for the last houseguest to get out of bed before turning on feeds…since these goombahs aren’t used to an endurance comp, I’m expecting a longer than usual sleep time. Expect Marty to have icepacks on both knees and a shoulder.
Expect Haleena to take EVEN longer to get out of bed.
EASTER WEEKEND?
Expect feeds to be spotty is my thought. No seriously.
Feeds Return
Breakfast. Marty, Gino, Kevin.
Bruises, pain and talk of how wonderful Moose is.
And Feeds cut as Marty talks about Hockey coaches being paid for shit.
MARTY IS HOH.
HOH Lasted OVER 4 HOURS.
Kevin and Gino tell Marty the oldman shit is stale. Marty complains about the backdoor plan people had for this week.
Josh joins.
Kevin / Josh joke about what if Marty takes Betty to Wendy’s?
The two of them silently eating while Betty glares daggers at him.
Josh is resigned to going on the block it sounded like.
Betty is mumbling in the bedroom. Mostly prepping what she did and didn’t say. She thinks she didn’t say anything bad (everyone wants Marty gone, they’re targeting us etc nope didn’t say that type stuff). ED. If you have to ask if yourself if you said too much… chances are you probably said too much.
In Kitchen, Betty asks Canada to save JOSH.
Marty won HOH —- again. Not a shocker, but then again he mentioned having dislocated both shoulders prior so I wondered if that would impact him in this comp.
I want to see if Josh/Betty threw it like planned. Kev was struggling from the very start (and to be fair he’s the safest in the house).
My guess is Kevleena either dropped early or just tried to hang on until Betty/Summer dropped knowing as super fans this up coming comp is likely the triple or double.
As much as yet another Marty HOH might not be fun for the fans at least he’s in prime position to cut in the triple with even the Ghosts recognizing that would be the perfect time to send him to jury. The trick will be if they can beat Gino in the HOH comp to get him out too (or find a way to convince Marty to back door him this week).
Likely noms are Summer/Betty (unless one is saved by the vote) & then it would be Josh as the next up. Marty mentioned to Hal he would consider taking out Jace but NOT Gino.
Also saw Twitter posts this am that Betty is ready to call out Marty for always targeting the POC.
Friday am 2
Kevin / Haleena plot. Kevin and Josh wanted to turn Marty against Gino. Hal doubts he’d backdoor Gino this week. Hal says maybe just toss Betty. Kevin thinks that’s boring, but they may have to. He suggests Jace. Hal says that means Gino comes for them because they voted her out. Kevin says he’ll think about it. Hal mentions without Betty, Josh is more loyal to them.
Marty / Gino talk. Gino says people are going to say there was a backdoor plan last week, but that’s a lie (Marty already knew there was a backdoor plan). Marty says Betty is his target this week. Marty tells Gino to kick his feet up for the week. Isn’t that his kiss of death? Grimace.
Kitchen talk is about all the funny people being gone, Kevin has to step it up. Kevin says Summer is funny. Josh forgot about her. Summer is sitting right there. So wait… Betty’s big focus isn’t game, it’s who is going to put on a minstrel show for me now? Longest Eyeroll in days.
Gino / Jace conspire. Gino tells her Marty said kick your feet up. Both laugh they’re doomed. Gino says Josh and Betty are noms. They plan to tell Marty they both knew about the secret veto, and decided together not to use it to keep Marty safe.
Marty / Kevin talk. Marty asks Kevin what he thinks, and oddly tells Kevin not to insult his intelligence (He saw Kevin walking back and forth on the thing…. pick a noun Marty). They are using candies to discuss who should go this week with a triple coming up. Marty knows Kevin has something on the side with Josh, he saw them talking. Marty wants Betty GONE this week, he got rid of Hermon for them, but this time it is HIS HOH and he wants his target OUT. (Kevin exposed by his bulldog that he can control, Kevin is NOT going to like that). Kevin does his usual trick. He says he’d go to final 2 with Marty (vote counter, he thinks Marty loses), plus when Kevin thinks someone is against him, his autoresponse is to try to make a final 2 with them.
Can Gino & Jace do that? Say they discussed her winning & didn’t use it to keep him safe?
The fact the power couldn’t be discussed prior or it merited immediate ejection is one thing BUT Isn’t them telling Marty that “using production as strategy” and therefore not allowed?
And I also noted how Marty spoke to Kevin in my post – listen to the tenor in his voice & the look on his face. He sure wasn’t pulling that sh*t last week when he needed the Ghosts to protect him.
I’m with you – after that convo it wouldn’t surprise me if Kev switches up the pecking order. That was straight-up BS. And TPTB are also cognizant of this b/c did you notice as soon as he said that they cut the feeds?
Kevin deals with this better than anyone but it’s not hard to understand why some truly despise Marty. Kevin sees through the hockey coach bravado but it’s so hard to pull for someone that is that condescending (but ONLY when they have power).
Kudos to Kevin for just rolling with it, b/c we’re talking Marty who has lied, backstabbed, made deals with Hermon, Moose, Summer, the F5 etc, etc but Kevin is getting chastised for possibly having something with Josh? How he stayed restrained enough not to say SFTU Marty you’re only here this week b/c of the efforts of myself and Haleena is beyond me.
Can they use production as a strategy?
Technically no, but the judge of that is production, and production allowed Adel to lie about what his power did for how long on season 2? Weeks?
I hope you’ve been watching the attitude shift in alignment with d/r visitation in the past three weeks just as I have. Suggestion as of this evening? Watch Josh. If my drmonkey sense is active something weird in a Josh attitude is going to shift by Sunday night. Josh wanting to be heroic role model guy playing middle and Summer winning a fan vote added to a d/r visit: something is gonna shift.
Marty with power is an asshole, this is known. Why everyone pulls the ‘he’s having a hard time’ excuse? Ask Keifer from season 9, they pulled the same crap for him.
(Oh sorry readers, I really don’t care if Keifer entertained you, he was placated by production every one of the multiple times he held his breath and pulled hissy fits threatening to quit when anyone called him on his game or he was nominated, culminating in hours of feed cuts and suddenly everyone keeping him. Like him if you want, I don’t respect that give me my way or i’m quitting crap in big brother. Keifer was on my nope list).
Tbh, Haleena and Betty have both lasted longer than I thought they would. I mean, They and Josh STILL have less d/r inclusion that Kyle, Jess, Hermon and Moose… they might be about even with Tynesha, and Haleena only recently passed Steph and Jay in d/r inclusion. Two times nominated… and Josh and Betty’s d/r inclusion is near the bottom? MOSTLY INVISIBLE JACE has more d/r time? Grimace face. D/R is the plot and storyline office using the writers to twist events to follow a narrative. IF 3 cast members aren’t really part of that Narrative by end of week 7? Not great. Even season 7 Anthony was bumped up in d/r by jury (he was at the bottom of d/r inclusion for the first half, but jumped in d/r inclusion at the half way point).
Amendment
End of night. Josh tells Betty there’s something about Kevin that he isn’t trusting (as far as veto i think). Marty found the piece of Matza that Gino hid as a game. Now Kevin has to make Marty breakfast tomorrow.
Josh is telling Betty something in his gut isn’t trusting Kevin? that shift in attitude (or statement in shift whether truth or lie for Betty’s benefit) was quicker than I expected.
What do I consider to be Kevin’s tactical error leading to his loss of absolute protection? He bought and groomed a bulldog, and then let the bulldog run loose in the yard for too long last week without supervision. Marty requires constant attention or his paranoia spikes. Haleena had already sat Marty down and told him they had to pretend distance to try to keep them from being blocked together if one of them was targeted. I equated it like telling a four year old they’d be going to daycare while Mommy went to work, but it didn’t mean Mommy didn’t love him anymore.
Kevin didn’t make any such case. He just cut the attention level from an 8 to a 4 without notice. Marty, Like Jess needs to be your one and only number one with everyone else being a distant second. Marty without complete attention becomes fickle and paranoid. Kevin, figuring everyone in the house would take care of the Marty problem this week, just let his duty of care slide. Is that reasonable? NO, considering EVERYONE else in the house was in a PLOT to get Marty evicted LAST WEEK, and Haleena and Kevin saved his ass. Is it typical MARTY behavior? YES.
Kevin should know better.
It’s been brought to my attention there is a possibility Josh was inferring that while Josh / Betty can only trust each other, Josh may have said he feels in his gut he can (not can’t) trust Kevin. I may have misheard because the tone of the convo was don’t trust anyone.
Following up on prior post…
This morning Josh is telling Betty he expects them to go up. Betty for sure is one nom (barring the vote safety) but Marty told Josh he wouldn’t put him up initially & also implied that to Summer so if Josh goes up again he owes him nothing during the triple.
Ghost POA:
The Ghosts talked and as predicted they expect a triple this upcoming week. They discussed what the plan should be looking at each of Betty, Josh, and Jace as potential options settling on Betty based on all the factors.
If Jace goes up they know Gino would expect them to vote to keep her & b/c they expect the triple couldn’t afford to not keep her b/c then Gino would be seeking revenge in the triple.
Between Josh – Betty they can’t rationalize voting out Josh over Betty b/c she’s unreliable in terms of who she would work with (spot on read btw – see showmance talk below) whereas Betty leaving would pull Josh even closer to the Dummies.
French Connection:
Marty & Gino had a chat in the HOH – 95% in french & all I could decipher was G giving the heads up people would bring up G wanting to back door Marty but it was coming from them (lol) & Marty’s target is Betty.
Marty chats with Ghosts:
Hal & Marty talked about the comp & how hard it was – Hal mentioned how solid Betty & Jace were but from other convos it sounds like Josh fell & told Betty to stay strong & I think it came down to her & Marty. Makes sense since Kev/Hal would feel relatively safe with Marty/Josh still up & Jace likely gave in thinking Marty would be the target this week.
Kev/Marty went through things with Marty being a bit of a dick telling Kev not to insult him that he knows he was having game talk with Josh referencing some situation. I say “being a dick” b/c Kev has done more work than anyone in that house to keep Marty safe & have the other hamsters continue to talk to him/mend fences.
He’s just such a different person in power. Last week he was sh*tting his pants but Kev pushed F5 all week & Hal won POV -without those things happening Marty is GONE so for him to now be calling out Kev for having the audacity to play the game with anyone but him IS THE TRUE INSULT. But hey, it’s Marty.
Showmance catch up:
Gino told Jace that Marty uttered that brutal phrase “put your feet up” which has put Marty in hot water repeatedly. They laughed about that. Marty also tried to reinforce F4 with Hal & the showmance. I’m not sure if Marty does this on purpose to keep one person between Kevleena safer but in truth that likely pulls Kevin even closer to the showmance if they buy it.
Personally, we know Marty wants to got F3 with the Ghosts & I actually think he’s closer to Kev — BUT trying to figure out the ever vacillating mind shifts of Marty is like what I imagine being on a psychedelic drug-induced trip is like.
Once again Jace displays her mean girl side saying a F3 of the Ghosts & Marty wouldn’t be a good representation of the season (little does she know). She also vented about the special POV… it sounds like she may have shared with Marty that she won it & suspects he told Hal b/c of something Hal said to her.
These types of convos are annoying to me & show how short-sighted & self-centered Jace is. Why not look at the logistics of the situation. Hal would know Moose, Summer, herself & Marty didn’t have it & from how the showmance thinks Hal views the trio of Summer/Betty/Josh if either J/B won they would’ve used it on Summer. That leaves only Gino (who wanted to back door Marty) Jace or Kevin so HELLO why wouldn’t she figure out it was Jace?
Betty also ratted on something else Hal said – “she didn’t use the POV b/c the people in power wanted to keep noms the same” which she called SUS. I laughed out loud at this b/c it’s true — the real people in power last week were the Ghosts/CTD & they did want to keep noms the same – Jace viewed “in power” as her & Gino which shows her inability to view the game on more than the obvious & immediate. Granted she had the special POV but didn’t use it so the ultimate power was in the Dummies hands.
The safety vote:
It’ll be interesting to see who gets saved & I’m torn on who I want. I don’t want it to be Betty. I’d prefer she remains a block option b/c I’d like to see Josh/Betty split & to be frank I don’t respect her gameplay. She attached herself to the most likable person in the house & even when people display loyalty to her she quickly discards them with her self-driven vision in mind. Sure I felt bad about how Summer acted to her when she was OTB but Summer had a genuine relationship with both people. Betty is ready to gut the Ghosts who were the first people to save her each time she was OTB. She can be funny – but she has a cruel streak I’m not fond of.
I’d like Haleena or Kevin to know they aren’t the villains they imagine themselves being portrayed as (are appreciated by the BB stans who love strategy) BUT winning safety could put a target on them going into the triple – which sort of has me settling on Summer being the best bet b/c keeping one of the showmance safe would a) imply they were in danger or b) beloved and IMHO neither is true.
Can’t wait to see who wins it & how that throws Marty into a tailspin especially b/c he ONCE AGAIN is approaching his HOH with only two people in his head (Betty/Josh) & one renom (Summer). If Summer gets saved it doesn’t expose the Ghosts – doesn’t make the showmance think they’re beloved & doesn’t help Betty/Josh both stay this week.
In the event she is safe (or one of Josh/Betty) the big question is who Marty would put up as the renom. If he put Hal or Kev up he kills their reason to keep him around. If he puts up Jace – he gives the showmance a reason to target him in the triple.
Things could get pretty interesting this week.
Friday pm
Josh, Marty, Betty, and Jace were the last four standing in HOH.
Sounds like Betty came in second in HOH? Marty refused to make a deal with her during the comp. He was going to take Betty to Wendy’s, but he is feeling too overwrought with emotion to enjoy a private meal with her, so he is taking Haleena. (I wrote it in that way to be read with dripping sarcasm).
I’m not sure what we missed, but last night we missed something.
Paranoid Marty caught Kevin and Josh game talking?
Well, that’s the first real hit to Kevin’s game.
Marty is taking Haleena to Wendy’s. He likely plans to tell her he suspects Kevin isn’t as trustworthy as they thought.
Summer pushed Betty as target to avoid being nominated. She knows she’s renom if something happens. Gino has quoted Summer’s plans if she won HOH back to her (even the suspected if veto is won, Jace would be a nom). Summer denies she would have put up Jace. She might have.
Gino has told Marty Jace was the secret veto holder, and they would never have used it to target Marty. Now Marty is likely thinking the final four will be the showmance and the daddy/daughter nomance.
Kevin told Josh that Marty gave him a hard time. Will give details later.
Josh plans to talk to Marty. Josh knows he’s likely a nom.
Season 9 Ty is connected to season 10 Ty. His dad dated her mom years ago. Houseguests suspect the 2 Ty’s also dated.
Josh and Betty are searching for a power. They have both been told they are likely going on the block.
Voting closes at 2pm i think.
At this point, I still think the only way the Dummies are in danger is if the veto causes two of them to be on the block. Depending on storyline, that could be an option.
You know how getting a fan prize usually increases your target in the house?
Especially if they suspect a national juror vote?
Remember what happened when they had the first insurance prize?
The Savage 7 wanted to kick out Moose and make Marty their new Seventh Savage. Hermon, Kyle and Gino even informed Marty of the alliance existence, named names and proposed the membership switch.
That’s the starfuqery we’ve got going on with these idjits.
Same bunch of fools that said ‘i’d rather win and be hated’ in the prodo questionaire… all crawled to the guy they thought was Canada’s favorite.
Mmmhmmm.
845 PM.
After about 6 hours of feed blockage…
Nominations haven’t happened yet.
STATS:
HOH: Marty
INSURANCE SAVE: Summer
NOMS
JOSH AND BETTY.
Before nom ceremony
Jace was worried she’d be renom if Veto is used.
Kevin had a cackling fit plotting the chaos of using the veto if he won it.
Kevin is pitching to Summer that he’s her final 2 now.
After nom ceremony
Gino and Marty in french discuss veto possibilities. Kevin is in the bath in the HOH.
(Kevin understands some french i believe).
Kevin tells the boys he thinks he can get Josh to pick Gino or Kevin for veto.
Gino and Marty wonder how close Josh and Kevin are.
Gino tells Marty that Moose said he was final 2 with Josh as a selling point to keeping Moose.
Gino and Marty believe next HOH will be 4 against 2. It may very well be, but Marty and Gino might be on the fuzzy end of that lollipop.
Betty and Josh talk about veto picks being Summer and Kevin.
Marty should choose Jace as hg choice is their decision I think.
Betty will consider asking Haleena if she would use veto if she won it, but doesn’t really want to. Betty doesn’t trust Summer or Haleena to use the veto. Betty wants to choose Kevin and Josh can choose Summer to play. Given EVERY Veto has had at least ONE hg’s choice (do the odds on THAT particular bullshit), SOMEone will get HG choice.
Gino says Betty said there are no alliances in the house just pairs, so the 5 is completely hidden and nobody knows they are together. Betty didn’t say this to Gino exactly because Betty is in a fake alliance with Josh and the showmance.
Gino and Marty worry about Kevin and Josh being close. Gino is pushing for Kevin to be renom (remember, Jace was worried she’s be renom). It’s not taking much pushing tbh, because Marty is upset he saw Kevin and Josh talking after HOH. (The guy that overshared his entire game to Josh last week is mad Kevin talked to Josh).
Gino is saying there was no backdoor plan last week, but people wanted there to be one. Hal winning veto kept Gino from having to show his cards. (90% lies depending on 10% truth and Marty’s stupid Gino worship to be validated… and Marty KNOWS that Gino approached her to use veto to make THE BIG MOVE… but appears to believe Gino).
So at this point, something during the day long feed block has put Kevin in renom spot? Hmm. that’s… odd.
Don’t take Kevin’s loss of cloak of safety to mean he WILL be the renom, or that he will become the target or that he will leave.
It’s the Friday night of a Marty HOH, and while feeds have cut in and out like in EVERY Marty HOH, we haven’t even begun to see the depths of whackadoodlie doo we’ve become adjusted to in a Marty HOH.
I’m only pointing out that Kevin’s fall from favor is an as yet unseen incident during a 25 hour feed block and that’s weird.
I flicked on the feeds late last night for just a few minutes. The hg’s were cleaning up after what looked like a party/dinner. Gino was creeping around with something under his short, did you guys catch what it was? I couldn’t figure it out, and he already had it under his shity when I got onto the feeds. One of the things he hid up in the lights of the HOH room right by the bed. It kinda looked like an envelope or something but no idea honestly. Then he still ran around with his hands in his shirt for a bit. Super curious what it was. And honestly Summer was saved by the vote thing ? and Marty and gino ??. I hope the ghosts survive this triple coming up
The spelling in that by next is atrocious! Hahaha it should just be saying Gino’s shirt. Whatever it was was under his shirt ! Lol
It was some sort of Matzo ingredient or package – since it was Passover and Kevin is Jewish he said whoever found the hidden Matzo he would make breakfast for. (and Gino was the one to hide it)
Thanks !
They had a passover meal with Matza and grape juice.
Gino was hiding a piece of Matza (hid it in the HOH room).
The game they were playing was whoever finds the Matza (like a flat bread) playing Hotter/Colder would get breakfast made by Kevin.
Thanks !!
Remember, Marty’s decisions are only as good as his most recent conversation with anyone at all. I wouldn’t be surprised he screws Gino over a third time.
Oh, i completely agree that Marty is not set in his renom.
There is a world where any of Kevin, Jace, Haleena or Gino could be renom.
We just have to wait to see what Marty says after a long d/r call (that’s how he finally determined Hermon renom).
End of week 7 Marty was saying Jace as renom. Then he switched to Kevin.
Pretty soon, the showmance will be saying Haleena hasn’t hit the block yet, we should take that away from her, but keep her (knowing Haleena will be mad at whoever noms her).
It will take an awful lot of d/r time to get him to renom Gino though.
I still just don’t like that a mindset changed in the house during a day long feedblock. The tinfoil hat d/r gremlins pushing storyline part of my brain gets triggered.
Ugh I wish Summer wasn’t safe. But I guess I’m fine with Betty leaving.
Josh will hopefully finally not get second place lol and win the Veto. He likely needs it and if he can win then maybe Marty will take out Gino (because he is an absolute idiot if he doesn’t know that he barely survived being backdoored last week by Gino).
Honestly they should have used the secret Veto to backdoor him. Jacey-Lynne is so dumb to not add that big move to her resume. I mean sure Gino would have then put Marty on the block but it would have only happened due to her attention to detail and then being ninja-like.
I’m sure the producers were pissed their twist was a massive DUD!
POV players are nominees Betty/Josh & Gino, Summer, Kevin.
Not sure if HG choice landed more than once but Marty picked Kevin -he was going to pick Gino but Josh landed on him in the spin. Betty either hit Summer with her spin or used HG choice on her but for sure Marty picked Kev b/c Jace is PISSED he picked Kevin.
She’s ranting about Summer winning safety & the above fact b/c she’s hella nervous she’ll be the renom.
To that end, Marty DID tell Gino he would put up Kevin as the renom BUT Kevin was studying with him & straight up asked him “you wouldn’t ever put me OTB right?” Marty quickly replied – NO – no way.
So which is it Marty? G/JL would push him to put up Kev while the Ghosts will push him to put up one of the showmance. Kevin is already telling Marty – it’s fine we just vote out whoever stayed OTB (BUT — they WON’T if it’s Jace or Gino).
Kevin told Haleena he’s GUNNING to win POV and won’t tell Marty but will use it (my guess is he saves Josh yet again – so they are tight going into triple eviction & keep the trio of Summer/Betty & Josh focused on taking out Gino & Marty instead of him & Haleena.
Something the Ghosts can use to their advantage is Gino went to Marty & told him Jace found the special POV & that they chose not to use it as a way to prove they weren’t ever contemplating backdooring Marty. IF they tell Summer/Josh/Betty that intel it will make it seem like the showmance/Marty truly are aligned & they were punking them last week.
Conversely, they could get each of Summer, Josh & Betty to go into Marty & tell him they were all told Gino’s plan last week was to back door Marty directly from Gino & were told NOT to tell Marty, Kevin, or Haleena.
As I noted in a prior post it made ZERO sense to me that Jace wouldn’t use the special POV in order to accomplish Gino’s plan. WHY would she not use it? — I’m still pondering that decision since it would’ve been a big resume more FOR HER (not Gino).
I’m torn between believing TPTB told her not to (seems unlikely -why else put the power in play?) and the only other reason would be to make it look like Marty found it & increase the target on his back.
What that move did was put a BIG target on her b/c she went around & overdid it trying to sell Marty must’ve found it & now when the J/B/S trio learns it was her it’ll only make them want her out more.
I remember Hal & JL discussing it & Jace really selling Marty & lied very convincingly — so that is also why Hal/Kev want POV used this week & Jace or Gino put up as the replacement.
We just don’t know if Marty will play along b/c he plays with no true loyalty or strategy (if he did play with strategy he would’ve picked Hal in the POV not Kevin) & wouldn’t have admitted he lied to Gino twice.
Marty made a BIG mistake by treating Kevin like a child and admonishing him for playing the game (and I suspect Kevin likely understood more of the G/M french convo than they realize) so now he’s bound and determined to get his own personal revenge on Marty this week which would be the house voting out Jace or Gino if they are the renom.
So yeah, I’m hoping Kevin wins the POV.
VETO PICKS
Josh, Betty with Kevin (Marty hg choice), Gino, Summer.
Current Drama (or what passes for Drama)
Jace mad that Marty chose Kevin (she thought Marty should have followed Gino’s suggestion that Marty choose Jace). If Kevin is the new target he should not have been picked. She’s mad that Canada saved Summer.
This is where Jace is lost in the sauce. Marty still wanted Betty or Josh to go last I heard.
His pick Kevin for renom plot was because he’d lost a bit of trust in Kevin, meaning Kevin had become bottom of the five, not Kevin was the target, he was still a pawn last time I checked.
Hal now knows Jace and Gino have told Marty they were the secret Veto. She’s told Kevin and possibly Josh (?). Hal tells Kevin Jace is floating that Marty wants a final 4 that doesn’t include Kevin. She later says alone that she give Kevin way too much information (not the first time she’s said this).
Hal will flip out if she’s renom. Jace will flip out if she’s renom.
Kevin doesn’t know what Marty is thinking, suspects he could be renom. He asks Marty.
Marty says no. Marty chose him for Veto.
Everyone plans to use Veto except Gino.
Kevin’s plotting: They need to get Jace on the block and voted out, but if Betty wins veto they have to consider voting out Josh. Kevin believes it is an individual time veto today. He successfully predicted veto playes, so… maybe it will be an expedia veto.
Gino and Jace’s plot: appear they are arguing or not as close so that they aren’t seen as a duo. Implementation: they aren’t sharing a bed. Progress: fifteen minutes after lights out she was in his bed (because apparently the blue room has a cone of silence over bed one and people haven’t actually heard the make out noises they’ve joked about hearing for weeks when Jace and Gino aren’t in the room).
How this protects them on a Marty HOH is unknown to me.
Thoughts
Haleena is the secret behind Kevin’s success. She’s been his intelligence operative, and provided people reading instincts and house dynamics instincts to him that have allowed him to be a chaos monkey. When she and Marty separated so that they wouldn’t be blocked together… Kevin suddenly lost his ability to read Marty. Not a coincidence.
If this wasn’t an individual timed veto, they’re just punking the hell out of us for a holiday.
If this was an individual timed veto…. Massive eyeroll (since bb4 we’ve heard and seen on feeds just how full of shit individual timed vetoes are).
FEEDS RETURN AFTER OVER 7 HOURS, 10 MINUTES or so.
BETTY WON VETO.
Wow good for Betty to finally win.
Crazy how Josh keeps losing. Watch him be the runner up again…
I hope Jacey-Lynne is the renom or better yet Gino. But idk if Marty would do it.
It was the one where they lie in a coffin & stuff gets poured on them & they have to count seconds. They poured “super worms?” on them and they heard messages from home.
Think the ghosts will be able to get into Marty’s head enough to backdoor Gino?
Never happen. Gino could tell Marty to his face that he was the architect of the backdoor plan, tell Marty he thinks canada hates him, and try to drown him in the bathtub… and Marty would still be “I cannot tern on Jhin-eau.”
Bahahaha fair enough. Unfortunate though.
Jace is FREAKING out – her & Gino are strategizing on what to say to Marty in order to get Kevin put OTB & if he doesn’t want to do that then Haleena if worse comes to worst.
Gino is going to have a chat with him tonight & is going to PUSH for Kevin to go up. They will push the “Jace won the secret POV & didn’t use it to protect YOU narrative” & how they need them next week for the triple.
Jace talked to Hal & is telling her to push for Kevin to go OTB. Side note Jace told Gino when she brought up the F4 of Marty/Hal/showmance she (Hal) said she knew nothing about it.
The Ghosts are going to have to work REALLY hard for Kev not to go OTB. Since it’s Marty this might require a multi pronged approach.
Gino is saying the showmance CANNOT go OTB b/c they’ll be voted out — funny how they can rationalize that but Kevin is fine to go up?
So they trust themselves to keep Kevin but don’t trust the 5 to keep them (sort of a defeated argument then) — but this is Marty we’re talking about.
I knew this safety vote would F things up — b/c so many figured Kevin would be safe & didn’t look at the fact Marty could/would put up Kevin by eliminating his re-nom option (Summer).
If Kev/Hal go up they “might” be safe but it will reinforce Marty is F3 with the showmance – NOT them & it would also be the end of the Dummies plus possibly the Ghosts if either of JL/G vote out Kevin.
At least going into the triple the hope will be anyone but the showmance wins so they can be targeted & if Marty puts up Kev then he & Haleena have every reason to turn on him.
Hoping Marty puts up Jace (I’d rather Gino but won’t hold my breath) & they get voted out to keep the Dummies/Ghosts alive. Regardless of who goes up, I hope the Ghosts remain safe & although I DESPISE it when production interferes we know they do so I’m also channeling for Hal or Kev to win the triple HOH.
As a side note: I was 0 for 3 today as (my favs) Grizzlies, Raptors & Kevin all lost. Raptors -76ers was an abomination of officiating with Fred VanVleet picking up two fouls in the first minute of the game (:8 sec, :58 secs) & fouling out for the first time in his 397 games played while Joel Embiid elbowed four Raptors (and HURT 4 Raptors) & out of it all was only called on ONE of those infractions. James Harden apparently NEVER fouls. Sorry all – but I’m in such a petty mood b/c the Sixers likely win anyway based on how well Maxey/Harris played but it annoys the F out of me when the officials are blatantly determined to help one team win.
SAT PM
POST VETO
The houseguests are prepping Nachos a la Marty.
Gino is in d/r
Betty is trying to get out of her nude underwear in the shower.
When houseguests start talking about how the times seemed so different than their times in the comp. Sideye. Mmm hmmm. Summer lasted 55 out of 100 minutes apparently. The house thought it was only a half hour.
The veto competitors heard from loved ones and there were messages from evicted houseguests.
It may have been 100 minutes in hell variant (season 3 comp repeated in season 5) (later they call it 100 more minutes of hell).
Superworms were poured on them at some point. Josh and Kevin complain about Superworm bites. Yes, superworms are known to pinch. the bite is startling more than painful.
ONE HUNDRED MINUTE COMP AND FEEDS DOWN 7 HOURS. EYEROLL.
Before veto Kevin told Betty that Marty would rather die than nominate Gino. Her jaw needed to be removed from the floor. She equates their relationship to Xavier and Kyland. Marty is Kyland in the comparison.
Summer, Betty, Kevin have been spinning the wheels in their brains to figure out how to get Jace on the block as replacement nom (Kevin earlier today made overtures using Betty’s information: someone is pushing Marty/Kevin and Haleena as a secret alliance. He didn’t say who. You KNOW he’s gonna push Jace as the one).
No renom talk by Marty as of 1 am bbt. His options considering he won’t put up Gino are Jace, Kevin or Haleena.
Kevin told Marty is what it is, he will vote how Marty wants (vote Josh out) in audio… but the video is storage room where: Jace and Gino are on video and Jace is pushing Kevin as nom. According to Jace, nobody even told Haleena they’ve made a final four that she’s in with the showmance and Marty.
They plan to keep Kevin, they just don’t want to be on the block. SO FAR.
they want to push guilt on Marty because Jace and Haleena showed him total loyalty. According to Jace she’s convinced Hal to join in the get Kevin renomed challenge.
I’m not actually sure if Hal would mind Josh going home, or Jace going home. She thinks she’s number 3 to Jace, Number 4 to Josh, Number 2 to Kev, Number 2 to Marty and number 5 to Summer (in her opinion)
Jace talks to Hal. In the bathroom. While they wash face and brush teeth. I can’t translate but it’s about pushing Kevin as nom that they’ll keep and i think the final four is talked about again. Kevin joins, says since Gino is off the table it’s one of them and they have the numbers regardless. Kevin goes to toilet, and Jace makes faces and whispers lots of smack. She can be SUCH a petulant person. Ugh.
I think Gino is in talking to Marty, but we’re treated to Betty making herself food and being hangry considering she just won a veto.
Josh joins. Betty says there is a possibility Marty is putting Kevin or Haleena on the block (both Haleena and Kevin have told her it’s a possibility). Josh is not impressed with that. Now Betty isn’t hangry anymore. She’s making tea after first gn houseguests call.
They aren’t showing us the convos involving Marty, because D/R hasn’t primed Marty yet for who they want on the block. Shush and look back at the Hermon situation.
Comp talk is causing Hypersensitive Feedblock Skippy to cut feeds a lot.
Betty says she knew that something specific was dumped on them at the 90 minute point. Sideye. She put a brain under the curve in her back so that they couldn’t get at her. Feedblock.
Betty / Josh return:
They’ll be pissed if Haleena goes up, they want Jace to be renom (they figure they lose Kevin’s vote if Haleena is the renom, Betty hasn’t decided she likes Haleena, just for clarity).
Okay… they’re cutting feeds WAY too much. I’m working at half capacity attention span due to supposedly non drowsy allergy meds… that make me stupid AF. Good night number 2. Last thing I see is Josh prepping to brush his teeth for an hour while Haleena is still trying to get off the eye makeup she’s been trying to get rid of for 30 minutes… did she use a sharpie? wtf. Oh, she thinks she’s getting some kind of eye infection or stye and asks Betty to put drops in her eye. Cameras go to sleeping Summer.
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Sunday morning:
The house is already VERY ACTIVE & full of paranoia.
Marty & Kevin:
We get Marty/Kevin talking outside & Marty lying through his teeth to Kevin saying Gino/Jace have NEVER talked bad about him (Kev) or pushed him going OTB (that’s utter BS).
Kev drops the Jace implied you had the special POV but maybe she was just speculating – I think maybe Betty had it. Kevin KNOWS Marty was told Jace won it so he also knows Marty is lying to him.
Kevin keeps trying to drop in Jace anecdotes that show her level of shadiness & Marty keeps denying/ignoring (again private chat reveals why – see below).
He tells Kevin he won’t put up Gino & he won’t put up Kevin (but the latter could be a lie as his private chat discloses). He says it’s between Haleena & Jace to which Kevin says well the 5 is tight so I’ll vote how you want me to (NOTE: if he puts up Jace – she’s gonzo).
Marty private:
After Kevin goes inside (and I’m tired – still up writing NBA stuff so bear with me on this b/c I find Marty hard to follow at times esp when I’m tired).
It sounds like maybe Kevin/Josh were in the pantry & Marty was looking for him – it was late at night & Kev looked paranoid walking back & forth trying to make his mind up of what to do which made him look suspicious. I’m not sure if Josh walked out & that sealed for Marty that the two have an alliance or what but essentially he called Kevin shady but also implied he still didn’t want to put him OTB.
He notes that Kev is always saying he feels like he’s the bottom of the 5 so why wouldn’t he try to make a deal with the Betty/Summer/Josh? And also sometimes thinks Hal might have something with Josh too (NO WAY MARTY is this socially connected – Production stop f*cking telling the hamsters what’s going on – but only giving partial intel – if you’re going to spill on the Ghosts then spill on the showmance too – b/c they have side deals with EVERY ONE & WERE going to back door you last week!).
But then he says if Hal does have something she’s really playing a good game b/c he ultimately doesn’t think so.
Kevin brief in/out chat with Hal & with Josh:
Kev pops into the ? room & where Hal tells him how Jace is PUSHING her to tell Marty to put up Kevin & that Gino & her are both doing that.
She suggests saying to Marty that maybe he makes a deal with Josh/Betty if he puts up Jace to keep him safe but Kev says no – let the showmance push him if they want to but Marty doesn’t respond well to being told what to do so they can’t take that route.
Hal also said Marty told her if she’s not comfortable he won’t put her up & Kevin said YOU NEED TO TELL HIM YOU ARE NOT COMFORTABLE GOING OTB.
Kev tells both Josh & Hal in separate convo’s he’ll be keeping his distance from both of them today for semantics.
His parting comment to Hal is if one of us goes up we vote out Josh but if Jace goes up we vote her out (PLEASE PRODUCTION PUSH MARTY TO PUT UP JACE & BYE BYE YOU PETTY ENTITLED ….. well I won’t put in the extra word I was going to but I’m sure you can figure it out).
Josh/Haleena brief chat:
Hal is annoyed b/c Marty told her his re-noms were either Summer or JL so if he goes back on it now she’ll be pissed. They both hope Jace goes up & while they feel bad – oh well – see ya b/c it breaks up that side.
Josh (like Kev) says we can’t hang out today & she tells him I’m going to have to tell Marty, Jace & Gino I’m voting you out but again if she’s up she’s gone.
Hal also tells Josh NOT to tell Marty who to put up b/c he hates being told what to do.
Josh says “I hate Marty” & Hal says I’m going to tell him I’m not comfortable going OTB & just pray Jace goes up – then in the triple we take out both Marty/Gino.
What I think the house needs to do (via Summer) to get Jace OTB:
***I think if Marty asks he should say well whoever you want but I guess either Kevin or Haleena – play the reverse psychology angle.
Then get Summer to go in & say are we truly committed to “SMarty? Don’t you think by you & I getting the votes from Canada that was their way of telling us to work together???
Of course Marty will agree – so then Summer should say …
Okay then I’m going to take a chance here by sharing information b/c I keep my cards close to my vest — but I have information that might surprise you.
Tell Marty about the Honey Bunch alliance made minute one with showmance/Josh (that the showmance still talks to her about) THEN tell him the showmance made a F4 with Betty & Josh too but that’s not the big news. She needs to spill Gino’s HOH plans from last week & how he told both her & Moose before noms that Marty was his backdoor target & not to tell him/Kev/Hal b/c they have a F3 together & can’t know or it could ruin the backdoor.
And then say I mean I know you won the safety POV b/c Jace & Gino told me you did. So if you want to work with them that’s fine I’m cool with that but just know they have deals with everyone except Hal/Kev – & Josh/Gino also had a F4 with Moose & Hermon so Josh is linked to Gino with 3 separate alliances I’m aware of & JL in at least two.
Then the piece to seal it is to ask Marty what he wants & tell him if you want to vote out Kevin or Haleena I will or if you want me to vote out Josh I will but you need to know the showmance are coming for you next or at least that was what they told everyone last week & are saying is still the plan in the triple to put up you Hal & Kevin but if Hal or Kevin leaves this week then I guess either Betty or I go up.
She should say – pull in Betty & Josh separately and ask them if you need to b/c I swear on my family that was Gino’s plan & STILL IS THEIR PLAN!
THE BIG TALK with Hal/Marty — he’s PUTTING KEVIN OTB!
F me so now Marty is solid with Gino/Jace & is going to put Kevin OTB & rely on Gino/Jace to promise they won’t vote him out. He tells her he sees how Kev is playing him calling him a legend & how he caught him & Josh talking.
Hal works front, back, sideways telling Marty that Kev has NEVER talked bad about Marty but that Jace has & how she came to her to push Kevin to Marty.
Sooooooooo as of this moment he’s putting Kevin OTB. We’ll see what the DR does but you know for facts if Marty puts him up the showmance is going to screw Kev over to keep Josh (IMHO).
So revert to the above & Summer – one of Betty/Josh or Summer needs to spill Gino’s HOH plan to back door Marty last week so Jace goes up otherwise this could be really BAD for Kev if the showmance & Betty (Summer?) vote out Kev to keep Josh. Man what a way to ruin my Sunday.
OH – & one of Haleena or Kevin needs to go to Josh & tell him that he & Betty need to hang out like glue with the showmance today ALL DAY so Marty sees them all together & it gets in his head that they are a foursome otherwise one of Hal or Kev are going up.
CAN SOMEONE PLEASE GET MARTY OUT OF THIS DAMN HOUSE!!!!
Other than having Josh/Betty stay glued to Gino/Jace ALL DAY & I mean glued & if they see Marty coming move in close & whisper in their ears glued.
This would require Haleena pulling out her acting chops & even summoning tears. She has to get Marty to SWEAR he won’t say anything to anyone b/c she needs to process what she just overheard.
She should tell Marty she was in the bathroom & caught Jace talking to Josh (or Betty bc she’s loud & doesn’t really whisper so it’s believable) & that she pulled her feet up b/c they were talking game.
Jace said we’re solid – Kevin is going up & then on Thursday we’ll blindside them. Marty bought the story we weren’t going to back door him last week & that we saved him – & on Thursday we’ll be mint b/c he can’t play in HOH & Haleena will be shook so we just have to beat her & then take them both out we’ll put up Summer as the pawn but save her.
She needs to summon tears or whatever is necessary & say you can’t tell them I heard b/c I’m going to have a panic attack right now. I need to hide in your HOH room b/c I can’t even be around either of them right now. I’m so hurt – my game is done – they aren’t loyal to the 5 —- they are playing both of us. Maybe you should just put me up instead b/c Kevin did have your back & they’ve been lying to us the entire time -I’m so upset.
Damn – re-nom hasn’t even happened & Summer is already pushing Gino to keep Josh if Hal or Kev go OTB.
Actually, that probably works against Josh b/c it makes that trio look too solid (Betty/Summer/Josh) & he knows how powerful two votes are with a showmance so 3 votes with that trio would be dangerous to them.
Also of note – Marty telling everyone Kevin is his number 1 (or number 2) and then putting him OTB means he’s now lost everyone’s vote & loyalty. He LITERALLY told Kevin this morning he wasn’t gong OTB & is now going to put him up.
So funny watching Kev talk to Gino who he KNOWS pitched him going up & KNOWS Jace did too & G just lies so easily to Kev’s face.
I sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo want Kevin to stay & win the triple HOH & say – Jace & Gino you had F4’s with Josh/Sumer, Josh/Betty & then the 5 & lied constantly to my face.
Marty you put a target on my back by saying I was your number 1 but Gino/Jace were always your #1 & #2 — they literally were going to back door you on Gino’s HOH & you ate up their lies to put me OTB jeopardizing my game & so all three of you proved how disloyal you are by pushing Summer, Betty Josh to us & us to them.
And Marty this a social game – you aren’t the only one allowed to have relationship & for you to have the audacity to make deals with people in this house for your safety but then to chastise me for talking to Josh is the epitome of hypocrisy. You only said Hal & I were your #1 and #2 so others would target us ahead of you & the showmance. Please remove the word LOYAL from your vocabulary b/c you clearly don’t understand what it means.
So I’m going to make it easy for the house – the people with the most alliances in the house are Gino & Jace – and the person who has proven himself to be disloyal to everyone & acted atrociously when in power is Marty. Take a seat – good luck in the POV & we’ll see if after this whichever of you stays wants to make amends for lying constantly to my face while stabbing me in the back.
I would pay for that to happen – and for Haleena to win POV & then Gino & Marty to be evicted.
As Julie Chen Moonves would say … BUT FIRST – we need Kevin to stay & I’m still holding out hope the crazy man takes some meds & sees Josh/Betty attached to the hip of Gino/Jace & changes his mind about putting Jace OTB or the Ghosts come up with something that will shift his way of thinking.
One possible hope is Gino tells Jace that Summer is already pitching them to keep Josh if Hal or Kev are the re-noms & then she tells Haleena that & she tells Marty – b/c WHY would Summer/Betty feel comfortable enough to be pitching that already if they didn’t have some sort of alliance with each other?
Jace is TRASHING Kevin to Haleena & I literally have no idea how much of this is real & how much is lies.
The thing is Haleena KNOWS so much from the others that Jace hasn’t told her like the fact they were going to back door Marty last week & made sure to tell everyone, not to Hal or Kev –
That’s what Jace doesn’t understand even if anything she is telling Hal is true she knows Jace has F4’s with Josh (Betty/Summer) & she is so quick to toss people UTB.
Case in point the minute Jace goes inside & Josh is alone with Hal she tells him Jace/Gino are HARD CORE pushing for Kev or Hal to go up but Jace is only telling her Kev (of course).
Man – why can’t they figure out that Josh//Betty need to glue themselves to Jace all day today so Marty sees that?
AND why oh why doesn’t Summer, Betty or Josh go to Marty & swear on something valid that Gino’s plan was back door him last week & EVERY ONE except him, Hal & Kev knew about it b/c Jace kept checking in with them not to say anything.
I’m not sure if Hal shared with Josh that the showmance were throwing B/S/J UTB this week saying that’s what THEY pitched when it was the opposite. Come on – let’s have a house meeting & call out the showmance for their double-dealings – the back door plan & how Jace told everyone Marty was obviously the one who won the Special POV. I mean at least the Ghosts would be protected b/c they had no knowledge of it (even though they did).
Can’t I have one nice thing this Sunday? LOL
Marty straight-up asks Jace if the showmance had F4 with Betty/Josh & she of course straight-up lies.
Funny Kevin DOES NOT have F4 with Betty/Josh she does but in Marty’s world b/c he thinks – it must be true.
He needs to repeat this to Haleena (or Kevin) & they need to say well – pull in Betty & Josh separately and ask them – to see what they say.
If I’m Hal or Kev & they find out she lied about this to Marty & they can intercept it – then I’d be pushing Josh to get Betty to tell Marty straight up the showmance made F4 with the Josh & her & even told them the plan was to back door Marty last week AND told Moose & Summer they were BOTH pawns with Marty being the back door option.
Betty should say – you’re playing the showmance’s game & they’re playing us all. AND she should say – I don’t lie – bring them up here & I’ll ask them right in front of you! And if they lie about our F4 or the back door plan I’ll call them out for playing this entire house.
If you want to hand that duo the top two prizes go ahead but you’re getting punked & you don’t even see it – then again you screwed Gino twice so he has the right to backstab you but they’re lying to your face at least you own your lies.
Again, I want to see the showmance have to squirm in public b/c Jace acts so entitled & thinks she’s playing such a great game (annoying the F out of me).
The thing is it’s Marty so even though the truth could be dropped right in front of him I highly doubt it switches anything.
And Marty telling Jace I told Kevin I would never put him up & then laughing about the fact he probably is with her specifically makes me GAG.
Basics for Sunday:
MARTY SUFFERS FROM GINOWORSHIP. That’s the basic thought.
Promises Marty has made this week: Gino (Friday) and Kevin (Saturday) are safe. Oops.
Marty is convinced Kevin is playing both sides and he loses Gino if he touches Jace.
He wants to go to final 4 with Hal / Showmance and final 3 with showmance and final 2 most likely with Gino. He thinks that is his winning option.
Marty isn’t listening to Haleena about Jace being disloyal, not because Jace would never do such a thing, but because: Gino.
He wants Jace and Gino to swear to the cameras and to Canada that they won’t flip their vote and will do what he says (dear Marty, you’ve promised and lied how many times, and think Gino and Jace care about promises to strangers… no).
Reminder:
When he was in danger last week, Marty was telling Josh his entire game and on the verge of begging Josh not to come for him. As soon as he won HOH and saw Kevin and Josh talk… nope.
Haleena warned Kevin but is pushing it like they are the two options. She’s told him to stop buttering up Marty, he thinks it’s sus. She tells him Jace is pushing Kev reallllly hard. She tells Kevin push loyalty to the 5 like it’s EVERYTHING to him. Kevin makes plans to study with Marty later. Kevin begins working on Gino.
Jace has told Marty she and Gino would never ever work with Betty and Josh (who they have a final 4 with). Jace further says she saved Marty from being backdoored last week (on Gino’s HOH and Marty didn’t see the logic error cus Ginoworship). Jace is over talking and over pushing… does Marty catch it? It’s her best game talk yet… but it’s more aggressive with Marty than Marty usually likes. She isn’t pushing Marty to come to his own conclusion, she’s feeding him conclusions.
There is talk between Marty and Jace about whether Kevin will turn on them if he stays. Well Josh ain’t working with Marty, so maybe that’s a moot point?
Is Marty’s read wrong? Nope. Kevin is not 100% team Marty, so Marty isn’t wrong. But… he’s come to the conclusion through faulty logic, and his thoughts are dictated by his Ginoworship more than facts.
Salient fact:
Gino could promise Marty, still flip the vote and evict Kevin, and Marty wouldn’t do a thing about it. He’s THAT invested in Ginoworship.
I’m STILL shady and sus about Kevin going from untouchable to possibly out the door because of events during a day long feed block. That’s me though: If I didn’t see it on feeds, I’m not buying it as real as much as thinking it’s production and d/r gremlining.
It’s Sunday afternoon. Going to miss some stuff later for family dinner, but i’ll try to come back with a backtracked update if when things happen.
Kev/Gin/Jace/Marty
HOT TUB CHAT
Kevin pushes the trust of the group. Points out they got Ty, Herm, Moose, now they’re getting Josh. They can’t let Betty and Summer and Josh split them up now that they’re so close. Whoever goes up, We’ve got the numbers talk.
Gino has shades on so I can’t read his eyes.
Jace is pretending agreement with her nods, but her face? She’s giving skankface in her ocular microexpressions.
Marty off camera is SAYYYing ‘we do, we do have the numbers’ (remember Marty and Jace had that would Kevin flip talk? From Hal’s hints, this is Kevin’s counter).
Isn’t it funny Haleena is NEVER present for these group chats. LMAO. It would be too suspicious to have the five meeting, so we’ll tell the added number later… and she couldn’t give a rat’s ass about not being present.
Okay, now i’m gone for about 3 or 4 hours. ttys.
TINFOIL HAT CHAT
So they did 100 minutes in hell… over a seven hour feed block. Did they have to do the comp 4 times and call the other 3 practice runs until they got the result they wanted ??
(Subtle nod back to Bayleigh HOH of season 20 as discussed that season on feeds, nobody knew it was a practice run until Rachel won, and the message came over the speaker saying practice run, now do it again).
Hal takes a second run at Marty…
Damn skippy and the button – Haleena taking a second run at Marty trying to explain to him that Jace/Gino are more likely to align with Josh/Betty & vote out her or Kevin if they’re on OTB b/c THEY are in the middle & can do what they want. She’s trying to rationalize to him that if he puts Kev or her OTB & they shift then he’s LOSING one of HIS numbers but the showmance is sitting pretty.
She tells him her guts says Kevin wouldn’t flip as much as she thinks the showmance would – but Marty is bull-headed & keeps pushing Kevin going up almost to the point that I think he might even shift off Josh (as crazy as that sounds – it might depend on what meds he’s on today).
AND THEN we get a leak of Kevin in the DR being sent on a special mission to find a secret room which presumably he did as he then suddenly packs his bags & one by one tells everyone he’s self evicting.
To Josh, he says that he’s sure Hal is going OTB & the showmance is voting her out & he can’t do that b/c she & Josh deserve to be in the game.
Each convo he has takes on a different tone but it was very interesting to see how each reacted. Josh, Betty & Haleena are the most upset. Jace & Marty think he’s doing it to stay off the block & it’s a stunt. Gino is uncertain. Summer seems to be in shock & disbelieving.
We of course knew he had a mission so we were “in on the joke” as he gets to the doors to leave Josh is bawling, Haleena says she’ll eat a super worm if he stays & he finally turns around & tells them he received a mission by Big Brother icon Marsha the Moose to convince them he was self evicting.
There were TELLS – like there was no way he was leaving Haleena w/o discussing what she would need to do without him (the Ghosts) or asking Josh to protect her & take her to the end.
The more interesting/telling part was Haleena/Josh/Betty all got very upset while Marty & Jace automatically thought negatively screams about how those two operate. Summer was sort of in the middle not sure if she should believe him & Gino was also kind of in the middle & it probably made him realize how close Kev & him are in the house b/c he made one of the biggest pleas for him to stay & tried a couple times.
They cut out after he announced it but for sure they’ll be talking now of what a good actor Kevin is
Anyway – back to the Hal – Marty talk – it did seem when feeds returned like Haleena was making headway with Marty on Jace. She obviously told him some things when feeds were cut b/c she was talking openly about how Jace blamed Marty for having the Special POV.
She also must’ve told him there really was a back door plan last week & then explains it didn’t happen & they get to blame Hal for not using POV keeping the targets on her/Kev/Marty & she feels they would vote out Kev (or her) if they are on the block. She says if I’m up Jace votes me out & says it was Kevin that she’s already seeming to plant that narrative if Hal goes up.
Stubborn Marty said – but she saved me & they could’ve taken me out to which Hal countered but NO that’s not her game – bc she would’ve had to stand up & say I’M USING IT – but she never shows her cards openly b/c then they are safe with everyone right? I guarantee you if she could’ve done it in private she would’ve b/c that was the plan to back door you & they could’ve blamed it on the people who voted you out & Gino was covered b/c you had lied to him & he wasn’t voting.
She reiterates don’t you see she never gets blood on her hands.
We’ll see what happens & this may sound crazy but Marty is so influenced by what Canada thinks – he’ll go one of two ways – put up Kevin bc he’s too shady & he proved it by the mission OR he’ll think Canada LOVES Kevin & he was chosen to do the mission bc they love him so he won’t want to put him OTB.
Feeds are down again – but I guess we’ll know soon.
MARSHA THE MOOSE TASK
Kevin goes to D/R. He reads a note to go to the secret room.
He leaves secret room and quickly starts packing.
He tells everyone he is self evicting.
REACTIONS
Josh is stunned / shocked / broken.
Betty cries.
Summer refuses to acknowledge it as real.
Jace thinks it’s dirty game, a plot to stay off the block (worried if he goes she’s renom, you know that’s her thought).
Gino isn’t sure what to think because Kevin has multiple personalities. He isn’t buying it but he is considering a Rent to own.
Marty (who threatened to quit MULTIPLE TIMES) is saying he won’t let Kevin leave. Later he is pissy about Kevin leaving to Gino, saying he’s calling his bluff, and he’s the renom for sure now.
Haleena tries to sit on Kevin’s feet saying he can’t leave. NO. Really.
Kevin gets to the doors with his things packed. He hugs everyone. Josh is blubbering like a WW2 War bride saying goodbye to her new husband on the pier.
The doors open.
Some houseguests yell out for Kevin not to do it.
He pauses.
Turns smiling, and says just kidding, this was a task from bb icon Marsha the Moose.
Marty yells he hopes Kevin has to wear a Unitard. If Jace could have pushed him through the doors and slammed them shut she would have… before he said just kidding.
HOW DOES THIS TASK AFFECT GAME? Shows WAY too many cards.
Shows that Kevin can run a con. Shows that Jace is WAY self involved. Shows Betty likes Kevin. Shows Josh is WAY invested in Kevin. Shows Gino has a type because Summer and Jace? Same woman. It shows who has personal relationships, and who doesn’t by reactions.
How does this affect twitter?
Egg on faces thinking they were giving Kevin safety and cries of rigging are now ‘Ooh, I wasn’t fooled for a second’. Come on, they did their rigging already, except for whatever d/r does to Marty.
Easter Tryptophan levels are pretty high right now. Naturally occurring Melatonin is spiked.
Easter dinner number 2 is tomorrow, but a smaller dinner for the other family (even smaller now that 2 of them tested covid+ on Wednesday). Will try to keep on top of things as much as possible.
So went back & after Jace & Marty BOTH said Kevin was just doing that to stay off the block (prior to the reveal) Gino was swayed to go along with them.
Wonder if they’ll realize how BAD they looked for saying that out loud lol. I mean I get thinking it but DON’T say it out loud.
Given Marty’s response, my initial optimism that Hal got through to him not to put Kevin OTB waned dramatically.
The house probably gets alcohol or something as a reward unless Marty ruined it by saying “I never believed it” but I’m hoping he actually got rewarded for doing it b/c otherwise BB just set him up to become a bigger target.
On the other hand, this also should point to TPTB being willing to force the hamsters keeping Kevin in the house.
My guess is Kevin & Hal will make one more attempt to convince Marty to put up Jace but I’m not confident they’ll convince him. And given Josh’s tearful response if Marty does acquiesce I can easily see Kev saying he simply couldn’t in good conscious vote out Josh when Jace said he was doing it to stay off the block while Josh was in tears.
That said, I might be on an island but I seriously have had my fill of stubborn condescending Marty who uses his selective handpicked items he’ll be offended by/judge people for and then let more obvious egregious actions slide or the self-entitled Jace.
As much as it would be best to take out Marty & Gino I think I’d rather they take out Marty & Jace (although that’s probably bad for the Ghosts).
They’re just both on my nerves.
Just a thought.
If i were a juror:
I’d hold weeks of safety against a finalist.
I’d never vote for someone that was evicted, and returned to the game. If you failed to save yourself and returned, I don’t care how many comps you won to do so or how many people voted… you lose my vote.
What is the point of the social aspect of the game, if I can’t hold inability to save yourself socially against a finalist.
So week one safety? penalty in my finalist math. You got a free week. In my head that’ll cost you.
Got viewer vote safety? penalty in my finalist math. You got a free week. In my accounting that’ll cost you.
Got evicted and received a return? Huge penalty in my finalist math. You failed already, eviction is losing big brother, so pull as many resurrections as you want, you already lost.
Don’t care. Not changing my mind.
I’m with you – my one caveat would be winning safety via a fan vote b/c that’s part of the social challenge – – impressing the viewers. Albeit b/c TPTB are likely the ones determining who wins it sort of puts a damper on it. Although, I do believe if the fans are loud enough (example – Donny in BB US) the producers listen. So maybe a half demerit in this case.
And/or winning safety via a challenge. For example, you know the comps where each contestant gets something as they leave like money, trip, POV, costume. You could select the POV & someone opens their box and it’s safety for the week & trades with you. I could be wrong but assume you might agree on this minor oddity.
When I talk about safety being something I’d penalize:
Think about teams in bbcan9. Yes, someone on the team won the comp / HOH, and seven people were safe. The season winner faced no adversity for 3 or 4 weeks because other people won a comp. Or think about the phone call safety night one this season. That was a bucket of bullshit.
When it comes to fan votes: again, after the season 6 vote shenanigans in their rules, I stopped believing in fan votes (If I actually disclosed the full story of WHY i looked into the fan vote, I’d look quite mad… like gummi bear lottery level mad, suffice it to say, a group of 20 people were organized to place votes in order to test the system, they kept track of how many votes they placed in a 24 hour period, in the final tally released by bbcan the number of votes that houseguest received was LESS than the number of votes the twenty people placed… by hundreds).
Given my notice of the twitter and facebook attitudes this year: everything is based on prejudicial bias, is it about impressing the audience? Given more casuals usually vote than feed watchers, doesn’t the edit department actually inform who is impressive through false narrative selection?
My eviction / resurrection thing: once you’ve lost, you’ve lost.
Great point about the editing – I always forget it’s the casuals more than the rabid fans who impact fan voting.
Feeds Return 6 hours later.
(told you feeds would be spotty this weekend).
What you need to know:
Kevin in bathroom says to Hal and Jace that he’s all about the five, it doesn’t matter who is on the block, his vote is locked for the 5. Eveyone goes to bed.
Last I heard:
Marty is not making a decision on who is the renom until tomorrow (after his d/r call presumably), and he will tell the team then who he is putting on the block. Kevin tried poorly, Jace pushed her agenda, and Haleena beat her head against the asylum wall repeatedly.
Sundays aren’t canon until Monday (especially on a Marty HOH).
I suck at reading Marty’s mind (you sorta have to hit yourself in the face with a frying pan repeatedly to even come close to his logic) But here’s my best guess of what’s going on in M. Patate’s boiled and mashed thoughts:
Gino: never happen. would be the move of the season because of the failed backdoor. never happen due to ginoworship (10% of my thought process hopes writing that when we don’t know what happened on the feed break and what will happen in d/r shifts the probabilities like the 24 hour block altered Kevin’s trajectory). chance: 3%
Haleena: shouldn’t happen. The one that most closely assures that Josh goes home. because he’s preached final 2 with her to the house, he’d look like a complete backstabbing douchecanoe to Canada is the house theory. chance: 22%
Jace: likely not happening? If you want to hit the end with Gino so bad, best follow the bb4 four horseman and bbcan7 prettyboy solution: Bros bro and bro before sHOwmance. However, Marty won’t because the house doesn’t like her and the vote almost certainly flips…. and cus Gino might be unhappy and Marty would have to iron his hands if Master were displeased (fuqing deranged abomination of a troll mating with a house elf i tells ya). chance: 28%
Kevin: more probable according to the ramblings of a lunatic being pampered by production. Prodo gave Kevin a chance to shine with a task. That’s not a good thing. Oy vey, Kevin cavorting instead of nursemaiding that fukakta man is coming back to bite his tucchus. A bit of Hubris for you. Me, I’d be laying a million guilt trips if I were him. ‘Remember how unsafe you felt when Gino was HOH? I supported you until your crazy arse got on my nerves once you were safe, and this is how you do me’ and ‘See, I told you all of you thought i was the bottom of the ladder so just make Kevin the pawn he doesn’t matter’ type stuff. chance: 46%
The other 1%: he tries to nominate himself as penance for suspecting Gino would try to back door him cus nutterbutter gonna nutterbutter. Blink blink. Hey, I didn’t give him his meds late… production did that a few times and we would see the results if feeds weren’t blocked so much on EVERY Marty HOH. I never said I was nice.
Realistically, I can fit four people now into my Season 9 Tina correlation spot, given her role in house alliance structure, how she played, and what her eviction did thematically to the story. And Gino isn’t one of them, so I really don’t EXPECT THAT. That correlation number should have gone down from three to two. and it went up from three to four. That’s not a good thing. It means I don’t know what the d/r is going to push to Marty tomorrow. Hmm, with feeds being down so much, i’m losing my focus.
LONG RANTING NOCTURNAL BITCHFEST. BE WARNED I SAID LONG.
Napped too much from dinner. Can’t sleep now. Sort of making me cranky. Like nobody could tell that after my Marty comments in my last post. So yeah, I’m still not nice, and probably not going to be nice now either.
That’s right… I checked the tag on twitter. There are currently 8 people playing Big Brother Canada, I realize they all have different backgrounds, ethnicities and experiences… but for the purpose of GAME i don’t give a shit. Each of the 8 is a person, and I’m judging their game as a person, not as a posterchild figurehead.
Sadly, I’m not highly impressed with many of the games I’m seeing.
ASSESSMENT OF GAMES AND CHANCES.
What has Summer done, exactly, since week… four? A lot of nothing. Even then, her big move in the show edit was actually a group of people making the same move, she just got credit in the edit. So, she’s done what? Social game isn’t being liked by the other houseguests, Social game is using your intelligence, personality and social instincts to read control and manipulate the flow of information in the house while remaining safe.
I don’t think i see a way I could respect a Summer win. Sorry, she’s sort of like the couch mixed with Azah on season 23, talks like she’s doing lots, while doing less than bare minimum and depending on fan votes to save her ass. Whoop-de-frickin-doo.
Before the veto win, what has Betty done in the game to secure her own trajectory in a positive fashion? She’s gone up to people and gone on the attack while they had power and she didn’t. The reason she’s survived the block? Other people were more of a game threat than she was. She formed an alliance in week 6 to save her ass you say? Has she done ANYTHING to foster that since? Nope. And that move wasn’t even HER idea. So her speech would be I was nominated a lot next to bigger threats, but give me credit for survival of the less fit? Grrrreat.
Marty? Bald Sarabeth. Production coddled idiot savant who is a savant in tantrums and hypocrisy. I don’t care if he wins comps. He’s teetering on the edge of nope list, and I’m REALLLLLY trying not to nope anyone this season (it feels sooo wrong, but I’m trying). Since week five I’ve sneered every time he started Martying like Keifer was his mentor. I’d have even less respect for a Marty win than I have for the Paras win (don’t ask, just read really low respect). I’d have less respect for a Marty win then I do for the Nicole Franzel win. And if you know my feelings on that entire season, you KNOW what a low blow THAT is. The more production protects aids and puppets him, the less I respect him. On paper given his skills, He should rank higher for me…. but then he talks. and feed cut.
What exactly does Josh have to say in the finals? I threw every comp i could have won, and lost every comp i tried to win? The comps mean everything crowd in jury will love that.
What does he have to claim in a final speech? DID JOSH MAKE A SUCCESSFUL INDIVIDUAL MOVE IN THE GAME? That’s become my BIG question. And I actually do Like him, but i don’t know if I would respect a season winner with his resume the way it’s looking right now. I’d have to penalize him for having a week of safety. With as many final 2’s as he had… he should be commanding the game and he isn’t.
Haleena? The house and the jury don’t respect her. Social media hates her for dumping the POC alliance that didn’t consider her a member, just a number that they didn’t respect (read the True Few/Fuse, or read the Mandems there. Both work). In final 2 she’d have to pray for a miracle, and make sure both Kevin and Josh were in jury manipulating them with the invisible part of her game (her game is 95% invisible to the jury). Other than a veto, does she have an individual move in the game? Would the jury listen to her or roll their eyes and make fart noises while she answered?
So what about Jace. She’s won two comps and received a dubious advantage that she didn’t use. She’s not likeable, she’s not respected, and it would take a master class in manufactured storyline to make her a respected winner. She’s Raven with comp wins.
Kevin lacks comp wins. With this jury he might as well have left today. Without comp wins, no way Marty, GIno, Moose or Hermon would EVER vote a Kevin win unless he sat next to Haleena. This season’s tone set by first HOH Hermon includes the entire you only matter if you win comps cult. His speech would have to be monumental. and even then 50/50 chance to get even 3 votes against anyone but Haleena. And without Haleena providing him intel on how the voters are thinking… could he make that speech?
Gino was gifted with the house perception that he was an alpha before he ever won a comp because of muscle mass and percentage body fat. That means the same comps are everything cult is predisposed to vote him the winner. It’s bad 80’s highschool movie clique structure. In terms of game moves he axed his final 2 and failed in a backdoor with a secret veto in play…. that his showmance was holding. OH COME ON. In terms of game strategy, that SHOULD cut him at the knees, but won’t. His game successes are only successes because they aligned with the desires of more strategic players who made those things happen. He’s bbcan10 Blanche Dubois wearing a Charles Atlas skin suit.
I feel better now. Time to sleep.
Is Haleenas game like Godfrey without comp wins? I’m not watching more then snippets of feeds this year and have zero perspective. I just remember season 3 all the leg work Godfrey did to be seen as invisible at the end to a white privileged cry in the have not room all season “winner” at the end.
Haleena’s game is Survival Instinct. She plays dumb, plays dead, and rarely, if ever is seen in a whole alliance meeting. She is playing the trust one person game and do everything possible to help herself and that one person. The big thing about her game is she was floating, but started sharing information indiscriminately making her more of a coaster for a while.
Think lovechild of Godfrey and Sarah but lacking in confidence and ability to win comps. She’s a social player that uses weakness as a shield and information as a sword.
Her game is invisible because everyone else just thinks she’s flaky. Reality: she’s constantly weighing what the house expects vs. what’s best for her and Kevin. She comes across as disloyal because every other alliance she’s been in isn’t real to her, it’s just a vehicle to gather more intelligence for her and Kevin added to a safety defense.
Her game is really 90% defense. All the house and jury sees is can’t win a comp but tries, can’t make up her mind and has to be convinced. They don’t respect her. She lacks assertive alpha brain mentality.
Admittedly, I have less disdain for Sarah’s win than most of the fandom, because I understood her social game, and her thought process, and so did most of the jury.
To me, Sarah vs. Godfrey in final jury questions: Her answers were better, but we all knew the jury had already made up their minds in the jury house. My most cogent reason for not being against a Sarah win: Week 8. Sarah won veto, securing her own safetly. Britt and Godfrey were the recipients of the Have not room Butt Vetoes AFTER Sarah had already won the veto. Given fan votes and twist safeties are penalized in my assessment of game, Godfrey gets penalized in that one in my mind because Sarah saved herself.
GREAT RANT!
Thoroughly enjoyed that.
Been wondering if Marty (or maybe Jace) would hit your NOPE list.
Not that it will shock you, but I see the players/their games almost identical to you. Kevin became an early preference partially via his efforts and partially because of his competition.
It’s easy to understand why Josh is so beloved in the house – he’s genuinely a lovable person. Betty is the hamster I vacillate on the most – she makes me laugh (her giggle is infectious), annoys me at times usually b/c of her failure to recognize her own hypocrisy, has moments where she impresses me with her intelligence and communication abilities (not surprising she’s an HR manager no?).
And I’m much higher on Haleena than most. Kevin has benefited (IMHO) more than she has from him on a whole. It feels like she gets judged the most by the other hamsters, and typically by the females who are far quicker to forgive Kevin for more egregious acts. How much of that is a credit to Kevin’s social ability/personality and how much of it is simply b/c females always seem to be harder on their own gender, I wonder.
This week in particular she impressed by her ability to outline logical arguments dissecting the true happenings in the house and with any other HOH I think would’ve been successful at getting precisely what she wanted. Haleena BY FAR reads the room better than anyone but Kevin and occasionally Josh are the only ones who consistently benefit from that insight.
I think she also suffered through no fault of her own by her placement and role within the Dummies.
Because Josh was positioned on the other side of the house he was better able to nurture his relationships with Summer/Betty who never fully forgave her (and won’t) for the Tynesha vote. When she has one on ones with Sum/Bet it’s clear they like her but I also think both ladies are threatened by Hal’s intelligence. You’re spot on about how the house doesn’t see her well-crafted game or copious strengths and would need Kevin in the jury house spending a week with them laying out how intricate her game is.
Anyway, I loved your post with spot-on comparisons and the wonderfully crafted descriptions of their games – your creative word mastery is unparalleled AN!!!
HOLY CRAP — WHAT THE ACTUAL F*CK…
Marty just pulled a Derrick Levasseur and made Haleena, Kevin, Jace, & Gino pick gummy bears to decide who goes on the block and GINO LOST
He made them all promise prior to them pulling out the gummies they would all vote to keep whoever went up & stay loyal to the five.
And that’s not even the craziest part of the equation — he hadn’t put one in for Gino waiting to ask him first if he was okay b/c of their history he wanted to pay him that respect. BUT he also said well you just saw everyone is committed but are you okay putting a gummy in for you?
Of course Gino said yes. So the order of selection was Hal, JL, Kev & Gino got what was left in the container – which was the red gumy.
This is INSANITY.
Now— WILL KEVIN & HAL stay true to their word. Kevin promised on his wife — here’s the thing— HE’S NOT MARRIED – they are essentially husband & wife but not officially.
I’m mind blown!
Marty made them hold their hands up to the camera fingers spread (the 5 sign?) afterward to tell Canada they would all stay true to the 5. Right after Jace said if any of you flips I’ll self evict for punching you in the face. (HELLO Jace that means Hal/Kev b/c there are only 3 of you voting).
What would you do if you were Kev & Hal?
PS: after they all left Marty said he was trusting his “late Grandmother” (referenced her as up there) & said he believes in the 5 but if someone was turning “it might’ve been Gino & Jace” & implies his Grandma picked G to get the red gummy — I CAN’T LMFAO.
Potential other things that helped Kev was winning that challenge (told ya) & out of the 4 Kevin was the ONLY one who didn’t pitch a name to Marty (at least that we’ve seen). The showmance went HARD on Kevin & Hal went hard on Jace.
I firmly believe something Hal or Kev said got to him –& Betty asked Kev if he had heard she was in a F4 with the showmance b/c that “is going around” he said “no — but are you working with then?” Betty lied & said no. LMAO
Kev is always getting people to lie to his face. Anyway – Betty cited Marty so he either asked her or Josh about that F4 – maybe Josh said yes??? Anyway something happened for him to question the showmance more than Kev/Hal and NOW GINO IS ON THE BLOCK!
AGAIN – I’m absolutely gob-smacked & sorry y’all might think I’m a b*atch but I’d be voting him out on Thursday b/c Marty can’t play HOH & it’s the triple. Hal & Kev could say just one of us does it in case Jace stays in the triple so we can blame each other LMAO.
Kev should be the one b/c he can keep saying “on my wife”
P.S.S. Is the MOOSE curse real???
Bahahaha the red gummy !! Seriously. They are duuuuuuuumb if they don’t vote out gino this week. I cannot believe that just happened ! Marty can’t play next hoh and wtf will JL do ? This is a golden opportunity and they be stuuuupid to waste it. Kevin and Hal have to see it. And Betty and summer were already talking bout voting out G. They should get out G and then Marty, then JL. Interesting few days coming up. LOL still can’t believe that happened….mind blown but I love it.
Gummi bears? I thought I was being punked for a minute. LMAO.
WTF this is insanity but they better vote Gino out and get Marty/Jace/and maybe one other out should one of Marty or Jace win that triple Veto (or get saved by someone else).
Gino better tell Arissa I’m here because of a f*cking gummy bear! -_-
Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh I’m not sure what Gino just did was smart. He pulled Summer aside & told her he’s going up & that he has the votes to stay (meaning Jace, Kev & Hal) over Josh but he would like her vote to show him that she is more loyal to him than Josh.
And says I’m going to win HOH & I’M PUTTING KEVIN & MARTY OTB – YOU’LL BE SAFE!
Why would he tell her both names? Maybe he’s mad & thinks Kev came up with this idea – or that Marty didn’t do what he wanted. But he should’ve said no to the gummy if that was the case. I get it – he felt pulled.
But that’s entrusting Summer not to tell Josh that Gino has the votes & is going after M/K or Betty or even Kevin.
What are the odds this intel doesn’t get out – even if Summer decides to vote out Josh she is going to tell him why even on eviction day & Josh will tell the Dummies (if they haven’t already decided to vote him out as they should).
BAD DECISION – he didn’t need to say Kev – he could’ve said my target is Marty & you won’t touch the block at all.
It’s one of the few times I’ve seen him react strictly on emotion (anger at M/(and K for whatever reason) & frustration I’m sure with himself).
The truth is how the showmance (esp Jace) reacted after they did that was very, very telling. No way Haleena missed it – she reads a room better than anyone. So she knows Jace not only doesn’t trust them – she wasn’t exactly tied to keeping Kev over Josh clearly.
And, in truth I sort of think that was G’s plan on why he wanted Kev to go up to boot him & keep Josh.
What a crazy turn of events.
AND — the Gino gaffes just keep on coming———– he tells Haleena he’s working on Summer for the safety vote. READ: I trust you but NOT Kevin – he doesn’t even need to say it – he’s implying it. Sure he said I trust you and Kev – but his actions are saying he doesn’t.
So now — Hal knows that both her & Kev vote with Betty regardless if they want to keep Josh & also this sort of will push them in that direction b/c it will mean G will be fired up to win triple HOH & Kev would be in danger.
Bye bye Gino!
Summer tells Betty that Gino said if she votes for him to stay he’s putting up Hal, Marty and Kev if he wins HOH.
Like Betty isn’t going to tell this to Josh who will tell the Dummies if Betty doesn’t
Gino has already sunk himself & the noms haven’t even happened yet.
I really wish I was the drgremlin talking to Marty this morning… or rather, I wish I was a spider on that wall listening to the drgremlin convincing Marty to use a gummi strategy without facecracking and rolling on the floor laughing.
Okay. Listening to Summer and Betty talk post veto ceremony, I’m thinking there is a small part of my brain that thinks screw those two keep Gino. I know blasphemy. Why? They almost sound like THEY did something. They didn’t do anything to secure a Gino renom. When they talk about targets, it’s Marty then Jace and Haleena. If I’m Haleena I want those two to take my name out of their mouth, they’ve been spilling it as a target since they pulled the renom shit as the Mandems in week 5. Yeah, Betty didn’t know initially, but then said oh well, she needs to gtf over it. I mean, who was the first person to offer Betty her vote unconditionally week six? Wasn’t Summer.
With a triple coming, It would be the house vs. Jace if Gino left. Josh, unwilling to put the Dummies or Betty or Summer on the block would have to throw when he has to nominate three people. Three votes decides a week 8 triple. Jace or Marty winnning the triple veto would screw him.
In terms of flipping, They are going to conclude they have to do the 3-2 split, aren’t they?
Only out clause is Betty is already talking about the final four with the showmance like it’s house knowledge newly acquired.
Gino should not be the renom… my probability analysis was correct… but we’re dealing with chaos and drgremlin level crazy right now… so Gino is the renom.
BTW, get ready for Summer to have a hard decision talk again this week. Yeah, she’s plotting with Betty… but Summer isn’t going to want to lose yet another man that responds to her flirtation.
That picture of G with the gummy — I can’t (LMFAO) – you’re the best!
MONDAY PM
Campaign trail
Limburger and a week old open can of Tuna.
As much as it pleases me to see a change in plans for the sake of drama… Let’s get crucial. There was NOTHING strategic about this morning. It’s not like Marty can take credit for this eviction.