189 thoughts to “Big Brother Canada Spoilers – April”
MINIRANT
Here’s the thing:
The cockadoodie feed blocks are making me look like a fool.
Here I am saying Kevin was safest in the house. 24 hour feed block and Kevin exposed.
Here I am saying Gino only has 3% chance of nomination. 6 hour feed block and we’re picking Gummi Bears to put Gino on the block.
Sorry everyone.
LMAO… this makes so little sense when everything of consequence happens during feed outages. Oh, right, there’s an episode in an hour to explain some of this.
EASTER EPISODE REVIEW
Recap took a few minutes. blahblahblah. Post Eviction Summer d/r thinks she did something. Her campaign sucked. Jace d/r and Gino d/r: oh crap Marty is pissy.
Moose talked to Marty, spilled that Gino wanted a back door.
Jace, Gino plan to reveal the secret.that Jace had the power.
Comp prep shown.
Gino reveals to Marty RIGHT before the HOH (SUS AF imo, but hey… it’s Marty). HOH: MOUNT HOH (do they play with time? HOUSE Said 4 hour comp)
Btw: Arisa is overdubbed. It’s not actually her, it’s comp producer explaining.
Kevin struggle immediately. Summer d/r she wants to win.
Kevin is out after 8 minutes. Kevin d/r 220 lb. Embarrassing he says to be first out.
Styrofoam rocks and water so far.
Haleena out after 17 minutes. klutz landing. bounces head on ground.
Four hours ten minutes.
Gino snores, he fell asleep during comp.
Jace eyes Summer slipping. Four hours 43 minutes they say. Arm hang only is the new rule (they brace with their feet).
Jace has no arm strength. Jace out Five hours 2 minutes.
Josh out Five hours 3 minutes. Betty d/r life is on the line. Kevin d/r is excited by this final 2 on the comp. Marty d/r pry me off the wall. (in house he was dying).
Betty is in tears. Says now he’s putting us up. Marty is the new HOH
Marty and Kevin chat. Marty feels outcast He won 3 HOH. Nobody is going to influence my decisions. He’s pissypants he didn’t get a hero parade. They’ve lived through 2 HOH… they don’t want a third week of shit.
Gino lies to Marty. There was no plot last week. There was we know.
Betty is having the sympathy edit. Josh joins. She’s wallowing.
Betty doens’t want to do the HOH reveal. Play the game Josh says. Betty d/r Brittney about the HOH reveal, but sad level.
Marty’s wardrobe is Winner’s now.
I’m with Betty, I don’t like HOH reveals either.
Summer crunches food. Room stops.
Haleena and Kevin should be able to exert influence. They want Gino out but can’t. Maybe it’s time to take out Josh talk. They think he threw so Betty would win and get the blood while he rode middle… COULD BE!!! Kevin d/r They don’t think they win against him at the end.
Betty’s eyes are swollen. Josh is whatever. They’re showing how Marty’s HOH’s feel. Target not target, going up not going up… sky is blue sky is black. Josh d/r play the game he’s in power.
Gino and Marty talk.
Betty target. Marty talks final 2 with Gino. KICK YOUR FEET UP (KISS OF DEATH) Jace d/r when Marty says kick your feet up…. that’s a curse.
Betty out unless she wins VETO is the mood. JOSH / MARTY
apologize for Betty’s moody bitchy aspects.
Marty says game not personal. Betty is target. Josh d/r: I go out the door… I’m going to jury sooooo.
Consider Jury Marty is Josh’s thought. BETTY JOSH:
search for a prize. Josh reveals Betty is target. HAL MARTY: Hal d/r you’re my number three Marty but you don’t need to know that.
She tells him she is protecting him by avoiding him. MARTY OFFERS WENDY’S TO HAL AND BETTY TOGETHER.
Marty meets Dane and calls him Dan.
None of the game talk during Wendy’s shown. Houseguests Gathered. Kevin called to D/R
Kevin reads the safety results: SUMMER WINS.
Summer d/r thanks Canada. she says she won’t be renom now.
Marty d/r I got blood for Hal / Kev last time. This time we’re doing it the crazypants way!!! BETTY AND JOSH ARE NOMINATED
You’re a duo. You’ll come for me. Play veto. Betty d/r 3x on the block. You’ll regret it. Josh d/r 0 for 23 comps. big threat as a duo.
KEVIN WASN’T EXPOSED IN THE EDIT. SIDEYE. WTactualF????
we all know production saved summer, not canada. marty doesnt realize he needs gino in this game. what an idiot. this season is taking a terrible turn. gino gets done dirty. only hope for this season now is kevin winning. but by the look of the majority of that jury it wont happen. production 100% wants summer, betty, or haleena to win.
I think Gino would play better if he wasn’t in a showmance. I wanted him and Marty to work together from the beginning, but Jace messed it up. Lol
There are few people that are just riding along, not doing much (Summer, Jacey-Lynn, Haleena, Josh, Betty…) I would love to see Kevin, Marty, maybe Gino in the finale.
Conversational Oddities.
Kevin has been called out for talking to Betty in front of Josh and Summer, because he’s not allowed to talk to them as per the crazy cueball.
Haleena tells Kevin she had to break Marty’s brain and put it back together weeks ago, because he kept saying Kevin was doing thumbs up and she needed him to blame someone else for the failed flip. Hal is why Marty decided Betty was the thumbs up. I didn’t KNOW that.
She doesn’t think they should keep Jace in the dark about the vote. She even puts forth the thought that they should think about keeping Gino. Kevin thinks Jace’ll be broken and crying. Haleena thinks she’ll be pissed and fired up to win. (I’m going with Haleena’s assessment of Jace’s reaction, look at the circumstances of the last two vetoes she won).
Hal wonders if Josh would turn on them. Kevin notes Josh crying when Kevin was doing his task. (Josh would save Kevin, but if Hal were on the block with Betty? Buhbye Haleena). Actually, she’s said four times (last week and today) that she knows she isn’t making it to the finals, so she’ll sell the jury on Kevin’s real game.
Why would Gino tell Hal that he’s trying to get Summer’s vote? Wth?
Kev tells Josh about Marty’s scewed up statistical analysis in the gummi picks.
Marty held the cup at an angle where Hal could see the red one, and so she avoided it. So reasonably speaking, she wasn’t even part of a statistical variable due to human error.
Summer thinks they can trick Jace into taking out the wildcards (Hal and Kevin). She says this to Josh and Betty while she’s doing some shit talking about other people shit talking.
Their egos are getting a little high, considering Summer hasn’t done a positive game adjustment in 4 weeks. I’ll go easy for today because circumstance (dr and the gummi gods) smiled on them, but if the cocky continues i’m going to have to tell her to take a seat.
What screws up the current situation: Summer gets her ego going and tries to cozy on Jace to be her personal weapon. Josh keeps pushing for both Summer and Betty to be safe with Hal and Kev so he can keep in the middle (they know he’s doing that). Discussions of targeting Hal or Kevin get back to them. they are the swing. It’s Monday night. Eviction is Thursday. Expect oddities and feedblocks and SOMEbody to do something stupid before Wednesday night.
If they follow historical precedent: The triple HOH comp should be q/a regarding speeches during ceremonies. Marty Gino and Kevin have those down better than the others… but Betty and Josh will remember the speeches while they were on the block. Summer will only remember her own nom speech by Gino. Haleena might as well bring crayons and a colouring book. Jace? X factor, I really don’t know.
Something to get people angry with me:
To the twitter asshat that called for Haleena to be cancelled because she’s a race traitor for not siding with Hermon and Moose… since when are either of them or Betty or Summer or Josh Punjabi? Think with your brain not your thumbs.
Keeping Gino is better for Haleena. It is. 2 of her backup final 2’s and her compbeast protection gone… stuck with 2 people that want her evicted (Betty / Summer).
Keeping Josh is better for Kevin. Again… it is. Josh cried. Gino offers him an anchor when he asks for a parachute.
Keeping Gino is better for Summer. Just is, she’s too petty to see it, but it is.
Keeping Josh is better for Betty. D’uh.
Keeping Gino is better for Jace. Double D’uh.
Keeping his medication schedule is better for Marty. Gummi bears?
Josh is saying he’s terriffied of having to nom Betty and Summer but knows he has to.
Oh, please. You saw him cry when he thought Kevin was self-evicting. He’s not putting Betty up, he’d do Haleena.
Hal asks Josh if she wins triple which of Summer or Betty to nom. Josh doesn’t clearly say.
Kevin and Josh are plotting in front of Haleena the ‘perfect’ final four of Josh Kevin Haleena and Betty. Nobody has told Betty because Betty doesn’t like Haleena (and truth be known, hasn’t since week 1 prefeeds).
Jace is trying to get everyone to look at Haleena instead of her in the triple. She’s gone to Betty to say Haleena knew about the ceasefire (final four) with Betty / Josh and showmance. Jace has told Betty about the final 2 with Marty. She withheld the final 2 Jace made with Haleena. Wait until Hal tells Betty Jace was secret veto.
Summer thinks she’s actively flipping a vote that flipped the moment the red gummi arrived.
Kevin is half trying to be caught talking to Josh or Betty, so that he can justify his vote.
Betty and Summer have decided that Hal is the bottom of the girl’s tribe. They like Jace better. (they want Jace to win comps for them).
Jace tells Gino that Betty was trying to manipulate her (Betty was trying to manipulate her and scoop her up as a weapon).
Gino is looking for a power. A backyard lockdown is coming.
KEVIN / JACE CHECK IN Basics:
the gummi thing was whack. Kevin laughed while it was going on. Haleena laughed at Kevin laughing.
Moose must have started the showmance Josh/Betty rumor. (nope, Kevin was the one that got Betty to do it, so knows it’s not a rumor).
Just because Marty has been a bumbling butthead, don’t take it out on poor Gino.
She reveals she had the secret veto, but wanted to show trust in the five.
Given Gino has promised a final 3 to Summer, with option to include a fourth… what are the chances that gets out????
I actually wouldn’t mind an exposed party that makes the gummi thing less nutjob, and more happy coincidence due to over-aligning. I mean, this isn’t candy land and Marty isn’t the peculiar purple pie man of porcupine peak (pie man had more hair).
Okay, Kevin and Hal think it’s cute (exact word choice) that Summer thinks she’s controlling the non existant flip of the vote… I’m not so impressed.
Hal/Kevin/Jace:
Betty is starting rumors about Haleena, Jace says (Jace has been too).
Hal knows Josh is cutting her before Summer and Betty, and the three of them haven’t ONCE come to Kevin and Haleena to go to final 5. Kevin notes that’s a good point.
Kevin still thinks that Gino is the move even though Hal says she’s getting evicted if they do, because Betty and Summer and Josh will evict her before each other.
There was talk of an eviction vote flip on eviction day by Summer to convince Jace to keep Hermon. Moose also pushed for that flip. Betty would have been out, So why is Haleena so low on the ladder is the question Hal has, because she stuck to her word.
Jace/Gino
They think Gino is being evicted. Jace threatens she will tell Kev Hall that she’s joining up with Summer to evict them if they vote out Gino.
Kevin/Haleena/Josh
Real outside yard. Kevin is ‘crying’ about Haleena being screwed over. He considers sticking with the 5 becaise Summer and Betty are for sure gunning for Haleena (and he’s known for a while). Josh joins: Kevin tells him no bs, are you actually prepared to let go of Betty, or are you going to screw the dummies over? Hal tells Josh Betty has been making overtures to Jace and Kev says Betty is playing ‘she said / she said’ crap. Josh is trying to calm and reassure Kevin. He says there was talk of pulling in Jace, Hal says it’s more than talk it’s in effect, that’s what they’re doing. Josh says we’ve got rough waters ahead. Kevin asks why there isn’t a final 5 deal between the Betty Josh Summer trio and the Kevin Josh Haleena trio. Airplane flies for Josh’s response (they’re in hot tub area). Kevin called to D/R. Josh says the house guests will hate them when they find out the three of us played them. Note: i never actually HEARD Josh say he’s willing to cut Betty. He said hard choices, he said rough waters… he didn’t make a declaration that I HEARD. KEVIN’S THOUGHTS:
we cut Josh, the showmance joins with Betty/ Summer= we’re fuqed.
we cut Gino, Betty / Summer join with Jace, Josh sits middle = we’re fuqed.
His logic isn’t completely wrong. That final 5 deal would be the icing to keep Josh when he already has a final 5 deal on the other end and Josh shouldn’t be kept in the centre by Kev/Haleena’s work without any benefit to Kev/Haleena (that’s what the Tynesha vote did).
Josh / Summer
Josh tells Summer that Haleena would rather keep Josh, she’s logical about the power of a showmance, and doesn’t want to rely on Marty or the showmance (they’re sketch). He tells Summer he’d like to get closer to Haleena, he told her his targets are Marty and Jace.
(Josh isn’t, and has never in my opinion, pushed or deflected targeting enough for the other dummies, he benefits and does nothing FOR them). Betty joins: Summer is pushing for a Haleena nom, and Josh is not pushing for that final 5. Case in point, he should be pushing Jace, he isn’t. He isn’t planning to campaign to Jace because it feels disrespectful. He tells them he feels good with Kevin and Haleena’s votes, but they have to keep up a facade with Marty right now to keep the peace. From what I got, Josh now knows for a fact that Betty and Summer would evict Haleena over Jace in a triple. He didn’t try to dissuade them, he’s silent. All three would save Kevin in renom situation in a triple. Josh has to be secretly thinking if Summer or Betty is HOH in a triple and noms don’t change, Kevin and Josh control the vote… doesn’t he? He’s known for days that his second trio is out to get a member of his prime trio.. and said nothing until confronted. Hmm. Josh is a Beta’s Beta. Betty asks Josh to be a bridesmaid in her wedding. Well that’s a buhbye Haleena in my head.
EXIT INTERVIEWS Moose logic: he thinks Gino has pulled out clutch wins in comps when he needed to. Honeylamb… that was Jace. He doesn’t understand social game, because he thinks everyone played a good social game, so comp wins are what he will look at as a juror.
Blink. Blink. Yeah, Moose and Hermon are going to be Bruno and Bobby of this jury (only our friend, a man, that played comps matter deserves to win).
Moose is most against a Josh win now. He thinks now that Kevin won a comp he’s more deserving. In one interview he praises Summer’s social game (but lambchop… you just said in the other interview EVerYone pLaYeD A gOoD SoSHull GayMe… Only comps matter dipshit). Comps matter but Summer gets named???? mmhmm. Somebody told Moose she won a fan vote, so he’s sucking up, riiiiiiiiiiight. Added bonus: Moose says he and Hermon are same page, and they’ve been discussing each house guest at great length to come up with Gino or Marty should win. I can hear that convo now: Can’t have thoooose floaters representing our season… so Gino or Marty??? Okay Herms, Sounds Good. Thought: Moose tried to play the mastermind game. He SHOULD respect a social mastermind game that was actually successsful, but won’t because he’s so indoctrinated by the season tone cult of comps are everything.
Exit interviews of jury members are RARELY the juror’s own thoughts, they are whatever production has debriefed them about. I’m not kidding, same past juror that told me they see the goodbye messages in whole off camera also told me the juror press interviews are not totally on the up and up, there’s fact and fiction from debrief tied together so that their perceptions come across as fitting with the show edit.
IN CASE ANYONE IS CONFUSED ABOUT THE CURRENT VOTE DEBATE.
Josh’s silence about bringing in Jace instead of Haleena so that he can stay the likeable middle guy that doesn’t stick his neck out but collects all the benefits is basically the root.
Kevin has been in a pissy mood.
He tells Josh that Josh needs to reassure Haleena because those four are promising her 20k seat and Josh is wishy washy about Betty.
Why is he really pissy?
Remember that final four that Marty and the showmance made with Haleena (not present for the discussion)… Marty told Kevin. So now Kevin is pissy that Jace was manipulating him with the final four talk with Kev / Haleena and final three talk with showmance / Kevin.
He also must have thought Haleena is keeping stuff from him (let’s remember he gives her 60% and she gives him 95% of all intel). This is feeling like a Kevin act to me.
Meanwhile Summer is saying directly they’d keep Jace in the triple because Summer doesn’t like Haleena. Jace is thinking Summer is just schmoozing her the same way Betty did earlier.
REASON FOR THIS:
Kevin is locked on getting rid of Gino. He’s been pulling today’s trip to get Haleena on board with it. Haleena admits they knew that Betty and Summer were going to try to pull in Jace, and that the two were coming for her, they’ve known for a while. Kevin says Josh is locked in with them (he…. isn’t really 100% locked with Haleena, he’d still prefer Betty).
Haleena talks about how mean Betty is to her again (off and on pattern). He’s TOTALLY playing on her repressed anger about how the house sees her. She’s biting, even though she KNOWS this puts her in an eviction chair.
SUSPICION:
Josh’s lack of comp wins added to his connection to Summer and Betty brings Kevin into a more secure spot in the game, and a greater chance of final 2. In his math, Haleena has outgrown her usefulness because she can’t bring in intel anymore when the five breaks. HE NEEDS HER IN THE JURY HOUSE SELLING HIS GAME TO THE JURY.
LATE NIGHT TUESDAY UPDATE (I’ll try to get as much as i can because I’m getting the feeling there’s going to be Tension and “drama” and Late night snacking).
Kevin told Betty that getting rid of Gino opens up the lanes for others to get to finals, even Jace if she were really being honest. Summer joins and Kevin says Jace swore that she never pushed for Kevin to go on the block. Summer says total lie. Kevin says he knows, that’s why he’s keeping Josh and lying to the showmance, but he’s going to take tremendous heat so they have to make sure to keep him safe. Summer asks if Hal is in on the lie tactic too. Kevin doesn’t declare and doesn’t push for the final 5, he more downplays his connection to Haleena.
Summer swears Josh/Betty/Summer will never ever nominate Kevin. Kevin tells her if the HOH is head to head they HAVE to take out Jace first or he’s a dead man.
Summer promises. Marty catches Kevin talking to Summer and Betty. Kevin isn’t allowed to talk to them or Josh.
They comment ooooo- you’re in TROU–BULLLLLLL. Kevin doesn’t care he’s sick of Marty telling him what to do. Betty tells Josh that Kevin is keeping him but mum’s the word. Summer tells them if it’s head to head take out Jace first. They agree. Betty and Summer add then Haleena right after Jace. Haleena is telling Jace she’s alone and an outsider and she knows Betty and Summer are going to mean girl her out of the house. Jace says she feels outsider and Summer says she feels outsider. Jace wonders why Hal is off with her and being quiet. She wants to know what Hal knows. Hal worries that what if Kevin DOES flip as the showmance fears… she’ll have to flip as well or the entire house is going to be coming for Haleena and she’ll have nobody because she knows Summer is trying to pull in Jace. Jace still wants to know what Hal knows, and will let her be in her feels tonight, but tomorrow they have to get together and get to work. THIS CONVO IS GOING TO DOMINO Jace leaves, tears up and repeatedly says ohmigawd. Haleena goes to Josh to vent. She says she was told if the vote flips, all Haleena has in Kevin and the rest of the house will come after Haleena. She says she told Jace that if she was flipping she would tell Jace… what more does she want??? Jace tells Gino that Hal is worried that if Kevin flips she has to flip as well or be the next one evicted. Jace is REALLY pissed with Kevin. Gino says he will talk to them tonight or tomorrow. Jace thinks Marty telling Kevin who he can and can’t talk to is sinking Gino. Gino says he will tell Kev and Hal if they want Marty out, let’s do it together and get him out. They think that Marty needs to apologize to Kevin and Haleena for being a dictator and forcing them to agree to demands about who they could and couldn’t talk to. It’s not a coach move, it’s tearing the team apart. Gino goes to HOH to inform Marty of the Kev/Hal situation. Kevin is already there. Talk is about how amazing Marty was in HOH, how obvious it is that Summer/Betty/Josh are a trio, and how they’ll soon know about the 5 once the vote is done. Kevin leaves.
Gino spills. Marty thought Kevin was going to blow up earlier, but it was just Kevin’s sinuses. he says he caught Kevin breaking the rules and talking to Summer and Betty. Gino explains the weird convo between Jace and Hal. Marty says if Kevin flips, both Marty and Haleena are doomed (or was it if Kev flips and that makes Hal flip Marty is dead in water… I’m not 100%, you try translating Acadian to Quebecois franglais at close to midnight). Adds Jace will be pissed. Marty thinks Jace is paranoid, and he may have doubted Kevin, but never Haleena. Marty offers to talk to Haleena for Gino to make sure Jace’s paranoia didn’t cause harm. Gino says this wouldn’t have happened if Marty just put Kevin up as renom then they could have even flipped the vote on Kevin and still been a 4. Marty said the Gummies were a team builder. (Ed. Broken telephone, Jace told Gino if kevin flips, haleena has to flip. Gino told Marty Kevin and Haleena might flip… Jace depends on Gino to deliver Marty talk and he is the crossed wire of message delivery). Gino is going to search for Kevin and Haleena. Me: I wonder if everyone else is in expedia? That would be funny/bad/drama/popcorn. Marty is now searching for Kevin and Haleena…. who ARE in expedia with the banned people. Gino knows they are in expedia. Jace asks GIno to make sure that her convos be kept out of Marty’s mouth. Marty agrees not to mention Jace’s conversation. Gino goes to lie down. Lots of French swear words coming from Marty. If it sounds like an item found in a church… it’s likely also a quebecois swear word.
Gino staring into space. (I wonder if he’s envisioning Gummiebears dancing around his head).
Marty playing pool and stressing. shoots one ball and he’s off….
They’re going to have to cut feeds soon when Marty goes ballistic that Kevin and Hal disobeyed direct orders and sat in a room with those three. oh wait…
Marty goes to Jace who fixes the broken telephone. Now Jace and Marty and Gino are ALL stressing that IF Kevin flips, Haleena feels she HAS to flip as well. Marty doesn’t get why they are possibly giving up a sure thing with the five ( Ed. could it be the four, the three and the two deals allll over the place, and making them play gummi roulette, and telling them Gino is off limits until Gino volunteered?) Marty still thinks Hal and Kevin are team 5, tells Jace not to worry… scrubbing your hands in the sink pretty hard for someone unbothered, Martian. Half hour later Gino eats his feelings and joins expedia. Kevin has just told his Jay tried to flip the vote week one saying gotta get rid of the whites story again.
I left for a minute or two. Sorry. Kevin and Hal are in the bathroom planning a download about the Jace convo. Hal is stressing, Kevin’s response was stress toothbrushing. Summer is right there in the shower. Gino finally talks to Kevin: What’s up with Haleena? Kevin blames Marty’s regime of terror and babysitting. Gino admits Marty’s paranoia is a bad look. This is the If things flip it’s because Marty is a control freak and there’s a rebellion going on talk. Kevin didn’t like the Gummie situation, *he rolled on the floor laughing, literally when Marty pulled the gummie cup out. Marty told Kevin he had to report every word of any conversation with ‘the others’, and Kevin isn’t liking that.
Gino is showering, everyone else is in bed.
ED. Gino should be canoeing against the current with a teaspoon instead of a paddle because of the final 4 with Josh and Betty, the final 3 with Summer, the promise to target Hal/Kev/Marty for her vote, the final 3 with Marty, the final four excluding Kevin, and keeping them out of last week’s blindside, and Jace pushing for Kevin to be renom and Jace telling people Marty and Hal have a final 2. Kevin and Haleena know ALL of that. NOTICE: Gino and Jace didn’t want to formalize the final four with Kevin and Haleena (he called them the floaters in the blue bedroom when they had this talk a few days ago) because they weren’t cool enough and the showmance didn’t think they’d be good ambassadors for the season. THE ONLY REASON FOR DEBATE: the target shift. Kevin had hoped they’d shift to Marty and Jace. Nope, they want Jace to be their sword, it shifted to Marty and Haleena. She knows she’s tanked in the game. EASY OUT IN CASE OF CONFRONTATION: You HAD our votes, then you went to Summer and told her you’d target US. Don’t blame US for YOU getting greedy and promising to backstab US for SUMMER’S VOTE. (Semantic shift that puts the onus on Gino as responsible for his own demise). Why don’t they ever come up with semantic defenses while talking about flipping???? That’s the first thing they should do. Come up with plausible deniability before you commit the crime. Sheesh.
TTOT & AN or anyone else … “tinfoil hat” theory … thoughts??
All day yesterday we saw an extremely calm, cool & collected Marty (very very odd behaviour) truly believing in this group of 5 … Marty has always been suspicious & paranoid whenever he sees Hal or Kev with Josh, Betty & Summer ALL season … Gino & Jace have gone to him with their concern that Kev or Hal might flip the vote a few times yesterday & Marty is STILL somewhat calm, cool, collected & believing in the 5 … VERY odd behaviour after POV noms on a Marty HOH … just sayin … lol
Considering all the long feed blockages during Marty’s other HOH reigns … What if Marty opened up a Pandora’s Box or something during 1 of his HOH reigns that gave him a “special power” where noms could change secretly after POV right before live eviction (kinda like the invisible HOH power) & he is putting them through a test to watch to see who might flip before eviction & then change the nominees??
Yes I am off my rocker a bit … lol … maybe a way for production to redeem Gino from the Red Gummy Bear … lol.
Only 1 secret power (Jace’s SPOV last week) has been put in play & isn’t there sometimes more than 1 secret or special power in a season??
P.S. Blame Hamza & his spoilers (that have been spot on this season) for my tinfoil hat theory … on April 11 (week Jace won Secret POV) … he tweeted “Martin has more power than we can see” … lmao
P.S.S Love reading your updates, opinions & reads on the houseguests 🙂
I don’t think the SHOW would hide a power for THAT long. They like the big gotcha moment reveal too much historically to do that.
Think season 2 butt veto by Allison. She had that big old red veto wedged up her crack for over 2 weeks…. but we knew she had it.
LMFAO … Exactly!! Marty alone could never keep it secret that long!! Full disclosure … my tinfoil hat was rather tight last few days with his non-erratic behaviour & all the really long feed blocks last week … lmao. His “calm” level of (non) paranoia IS just SO suspicious … dontcha think? He seriously has me baffled last 2 days … lmao
I still wish I’d seen the d/r gremlin that straightface told Marty to use Gummibears to decide the renom. I mean, how do you do that without a facecrack????
Agreed with AN – if there was another power we’d know by now.
Think about how trying Marty HOH’s have been to the live feeders multiply that by 10 for what Production must be dealing with & my only conspiracy theory for Marty is he could find a special power & go to the DR with it – & they would invent it means he has just lost the ability to play in comps for the next two HOH/POV’s (LOL)
Wednesday: Usually waffles, but today it’s more like french toast.
Logic Assessment:
Marty and Gino had a thought a few days ago: You and me trade off HOH’s for the rest of the game and get rid of everyone.
Why of why would anyone want to get rid of one of them if they are on the block?
Jace popping her head into the red bedroom so often when she hasn’t been in that room since the Men had their Men’s Only HOH drinks night brofest (and left out Kevin) is suspicious to the house. That was five weeks ago. Marty is still following those damn kids around just in case they are meeting with the segregated list people. Hal and Josh talked about their ‘final 2’s’ with Marty and Herms after the Marty/Herms final 2 fell apart. The Dummies met. Hal still feels Betty is giving her bitchface, and Hal hasn’t done anything to Betty to deserve the latest round of bitchface. Josh says he gets it.
Kev/Hal reveal to Josh that Jace had secret veto and they know she’s on the up and up about it because the secret room is where he had to go to see Marsha. Josh tells them to tell Betty/Summer. Jace pops in.
Kevin doesn’t care. He’s tired of Big Papa and the den mother monitoring his movements.
Jace talks to Hal. Sorry she was so skanked out last night when they talked re/ the DOMINO EFFECT CONVERSATION. Hal said Josh was giving them his pitch, it’s not like they can just say he can’t campaign. Summer / Hal chats have been happening
Hal takes every bus she can find to run over Jace in rapid succession. Let’s put it this way: Haleena is good at spinning victim and collects information as a game style… Jace should have tire marks for a week. Betty / Summer chats have been happening in response to the bus fleet. Jace is looking pretty bad, and Betty and Summer are deluding themselves with attestations that they never said any of the things they said about Jace being their choice over Haleena. OOOH they said them, but Hal revealing that Jace was the secret veto, so there was no Marty backdoor, and Hal was saving Josh by not using the veto last week… that has changed Summer’s mind. (Hal has deniability with this. She wasn’t in on the back door, and Gino asked her if she wanted to make the big move with the veto not let’s evict Marty, it’s a lie that can work because of not being in on the plan and semantic spin).
Betty is pretty blasé about Hal saying she isn’t black or white but feels closer to B/S/J. Considering Betty has said she’s only a target because of her race, I think her cavalier attitude about someone else talking racial exclusion shouldn’t be so blasé. But it’s Betty so the hypocrisy is understandable. Try me: there’s receipts about her hypocrisy.The season started with 16 people is my headspace. In the house…. there’s been a lot of bias discussed, perceived, and made vernacular. There’s a reason Haleena and Jess were the bottom of the Mandems and Siblings. There’s a reason Summer and Tynesha felt bottom of the Savage 7. There’s a reason Kyle and Gino worried about being bottom of the Savage 7. Marty… okay devils advocate vs. perception. ( 1- original target Steph, made deal, targeted Steph’s closest friends, got rid of Jay 2- targeted Jay’s closest house connection and the pawn that didn’t take pawning well, 3- targeted the previous targets because of his paranoia and not wanting to make MORE enemies… that is a case that can be made, but I don’t know if it’s his case, he could just be a prejudiced person… I DON’T KNOW but a case can be made for SURE that he’s a small town racially ignorant homophobe… both could be true we DON’T KNOW). All of it is expression of bias or perception of bias. There are 8 people playing Big Brother Canada currently.
MARTY MADE THEM POSE FOR A PIC RECREATING GUMMIBEAR PICKS!!! Gino and Jace meet with Haleena and Kevin. Talk of dictator Marty ensues. Gino goes over his four point plan it includes:
Keep me or Jace joins with the other side and comes after you
Keep me and we’ll break the 5 by getting rid of Marty
Revelation of secret veto and order the truth was revealed
who pitched Kevin as renom… everyone admits it but Jace who would NEVER (blink blink).
If your campaign to forge bonds of fidelity is a threat and a backstab and lies… where are you going with this? Jury.
Kevin tells Marty that Gino/Jace spread to the house that Marty was the secret veto. Marty think dat fuqing Beddy made him vote out Jhinneau, but he doesn’t trust Jace either.
Hal and Betty chat: clearing the air. Betty notes that Jace has been bussing Hal. That Hal has been hot seated a lot. Betty walked in on a Hal / Jace conversation and it looked like Jace was trying to intimidate Hal. They talk about the veto last week. Summer joins, Hal says she’s taking a huge risk right now, if Betty and Summer turn on her after she’s revealed so much, her game is over, no hard feelings. Betty and Summer have turned against Jace now. Talk becomes won’t it be awesome if the last five in the house are ALL the people that the house labelled FLOATERS? ED. Hermon in jury just had a psychic induced seizure… it’s his nightmare scenario.
Breaking to Make dinner so that I can make it back or the episodic edit wondering how they are going to make it realistic…. when it was feedcuts and gummibears.
WEDNESDAY VETO EPISODE SPOILER: Gummibears. NO really. GUMMIBEARS!!!!!
Post nomination ceremony (I was taking out the garbage, missed the recap)
Marty d/r Gotta get Betty.
Josh d/r so you aren’t mad at the showmance that wanted you backdoored
Betty d/r shwomance isn’t t duo? not a cringe speech.
Advance clip:
Bety doing news reporter voice about her third Marty nomination.
Kevin d/r only Marty is really invested in that 5.
Marty d/r if veto is used then Kevin and Jace are renom.
Marty will have to show his cards.
Betty and Josh get the eminem music. No veto picks shown VETO 100 more minutes of hell. Jace as a demon succubus in fishnets (No, i’m not being sarcastic…. just throw in your own remark…)
!00 minutes closest wins. distractions coming.
Dear houseguests: coffins don’t usually have drains I don’t think….
Gino thinks he’s a renom option??? foreshadow crap.
water through the hose… what did they think the hose was for?
Kevin wants to win veto and make Martian’s head pop.
50 minutes.
family messages. Josh cries. AGAIN.
Betty cries. AGAIN.
Summer locks in her time….stays in coffin.
Red dye in water. fake organ props. They had to note that???? Should have said it was the first six evicted since they acted like the person was dying.
water drains.
SUPERWORM TIME!!!!! They don’t look that imposing. it’s the legs and pinching that creeps people out. Sorry, I’ve eaten one on a dare, they aren’t scary.
Summer jumps out.
Josh thinks they’re eating him.
Regular night out for Gino. Betty has worms in her pants.
Josh locks in.
Betty locks in and leaves her coffin
Gino locks in. Kevin locks in. Everyone thinks they won. (ed. didn’t show sound clips from evicted houseguests that the houseguests talked about). VETO RESULTS
59 minutes: Summer.
125 minutes: Kevin 100 minutes 42 seconds: Betty wins veto.
Betty yells I’m not going anywhere MARTY.
Gino 9 minutes off, Josh 4 minutes off.
Betty celebrates. GINO / MARTY DISCUSS RENOM
Gino wants Jace safe.
Marty says gut is saying Kevin and Josh may be together. Marty says he has to make the right decision this week.. (ED.and he chose Gummibears?) KEVIN SECRET TASK
Find the secret room.
MARSHA meets KEVIN. Kevin/Marsha flirt fluff.
100 minutes to convince the house he’s self evicting.
Kevin grabs Josh. All my fault I’m leaving.
Jace: Jillian… i got to go.
Betty: i’m self evicting.
Summer: you never been married…. i gotta go.
Jace shows Haleena the bag.
Betty/Josh/Hal: self evicting WTF???
Kevin doesn’t talk to Hal.
Gino: no man you can’t leave. GINO D/R IS KEVIN OKAY? ARE YOU MONITORING HIM, I’M GOING TO MONITOR HIM.
Marty: I’m leaving. Marty won’t let him go. Blocks the door. Kevin escapes.
JOSH CRYING.
Doors open…
JUST KIDDING
Marsha task reveal. They cut Marty saying UNITARD.
EXPEDIA SLEEPOVER PARTY. RENOM TALK Jace / Marty.
Jace is pushing to save herself and Gino. Gino is SAFE. Jace pushes Kevin. Marty says best decision for my game (Ed… and he STILL chose Gummibears???) Hal / Marty.
Hal is trying to keep Kevin safe. basics: so why is Jace safe just cus Gino is safe? They shit talk you. Kevin NEVER does…. Kevin / Marty
Hal informed. Kevin promises his wedding ring. Kevin isn’t married. He swears on marriage. Are you playing best for you or best for Gino? Marty trusts his gut… and wants to make the renom fair… (Gummibears…. head desk). RENOM RUSSIAN ROULETTE IN CANDYLAND
The Five meet. Coach gets the fighting under control with those rotten kids.
We have to stick together.
We have to stay strong together. We vote to evict Josh. 100% in. Nobody is turning on the FIVE. EVERYONE AGREES. Marty gets out the big gold cup of Gummibears. Jace d/r: Gummibears???? U kidding???
Gino do i add a Gummi for you? Gino says YES. GINO GETS THE RED GUMMIBEAR. FIVE SYMBOL
Jace threatens to get evicted for punching Haleena and Kevin in the face if there is a flip. Kevin D/R: I’m here because I’m a liar!!!! I’ve flipped already, sorry bout yer luck.
Not that this matters in scheme of game but I thought it was actually really nice of Gino to ask the d/r if Kevin was OK and that he was going to keep an eye on him too. ( still think he’s gotta go this week though lol ) ghosts are still my fave. Summer, beat it, Marty, beat it….I seen a clip of moose saying that summer is running the house and she deserves to win….ummmmm wt-flying-f.
Moose’s interpretation of game… um. Nobody trusted him enough to tell him anything that was actually going on, so his perspective is based on who he liked and who is asking.
The thing is, he’s talked out of both sides of his mouth depending on which interview you read. He’s trying to court the reporters with what he thinks they want to hear.
In one interview he’s pro summer, in the next he’s anti summer. His handler is likelty pulling their hair out trying to get him to be a little more consistent and down with the edit version.
Usually, I’d be trying to hunt for waffles about the vote.
Right now it’s more about positioning moving forward.
Summer has listened to Jace talk about how horrible it would be for Gino to leave, and How Jace is unwilling to work with Hal or Kevin moving forward.
Kevin, Josh Haleena and Summer have discussed moving forward, and if Jace is so upset, she can join Gino. I think Kevin wants to publicly pull Josh aside to tell him that Josh doesn’t have his vote just to rub it in with the showmance. Kevin wants the blindside (i think Hal still wants to heads up and really, Hal’s read on Jace is better than Kevin’s… he wants her to crumble and she’ll fly out like woman scorned).
Hal is using flour on a plate to write as her study tool (again, from what i remember it’s part of her learning challenge, bb hasn’t called her out for writing yet, most likely because of the impermanence of her method because they’ve called out eyeliner and lipstick and ketchup in the past).
There is talk of Marty stay or go among the ghosts. play it by ear is the basic conclusion.
Betty finding out Jace had the secret veto has become a big reason why Betty is now against the showmance. Josh and Betty are saying they trust Kevin and Haleena now for fighting to save them more than once.
I’m taking a little break, I’ll check in before they go to bed and report if anything major happens, but right now, i’m turning off all devices for a little while.
From what I’ve been hearing the order of danger in the triple is this: most to least (= means equal odd with) HOH and Veto tell the tale though (who controls the vote being the big factor).
Jace, Marty, Haleena, Kevin=Josh, Summer=Betty.
Okay.
Not much happened. Jace and Gino were in bed campaigning with tears and laughs. they don’t get why the threat/backstab/lie campaign wasn’t jumped on by Hal and Kev. Kevin got permission to go after Gino sooner than later (he didn’t mean this eviction but Kevin now has a bit of a Marty cushion because he gave that permission). Marty said he isn’t stupid, he goes where Hal and Kevin go and wants to work with them. Kevin explained to Josh and Betty that he was trying to get as much information as he could from Marty (explaining the 2 hour study session). He’s explaining why Jace outed she was secret veto (to prove to paranoid silly Marty that of course there wasn’t a backdoor plan….. oops). Kevin revealed that within THAT five, Haleena would likely be everyone’s choice as losing finalist, and here he is trying to pull her away from a guaranteed second place to uncertainty with the others. He says this to Josh and Betty. Josh is playing off to Betty that he is getting paranoid about Kevin and Haleena, but thinks they are being genuine. Betty says keep them at arm’s reach, but she thinks so too.
They discuss how Marty is tracking Kevin and Haleeena’s movements, trying to hound them into working with him, and how Jace sits Haleena down and questions who Haleena has spoken to, and what was said (Betty walked in on it). They decide Haleena is a nice person being rode roughshod by larger personalities. Marty tells Jace there is no flip. He spent 2 hours with Kevin, and Haleena would have told him by now so they haven’t decided to flip on the 5. The gummibears did the trick to create team solidarity? So Marty is basically expressing. He stilll thinks they should ALL use the gummi strategy to decide pawns for the rest of the game… Oh dear. I’m not trying to knock him for having PTSD and anxiety / depression. I understand PTSD intimately (to the point where i’ve actually turned off feeds and avoided them for a week because something said triggered me in past seasons). So please, when I’m making fun of his fukakta idiocy, and production being late with his meds, don’t think I’m knocking his diagnosed issues, I’m knocking how he is playing the game (though the late meds thing…. production you KNOW better).
THAT WHOLE 3 conversations they had today have gamed Jace and Gino out… they aren’t going to go to everyone and make them say who they are voting to evict in a public forum tonight. Sideye. Stare straight at screen. Sideye other direction.
Why do these schmucks this season want to have the eviction before the eviction?????
EVERYONE HAS GONE TO BED. ED. Opinion:
All of the questioning, ordering of who people can and can’t talk to and campaigning to Summer is built in DOUBT that CAN be used as the reason for the vote flip. ie: you didn’t trust us which means you would turn on us so we had to turn on you first.
There are a couple houseguests getting amazing edits for an end game run. If I were watching the whole season back from people entering the house to now… I’d see the storyline i’m being presented with and point at this week and say ‘of course, it all makes sense now.’ Anyone else getting that vibe? We’ll see.
Like last week, the feeds went down before wake up call today for the Triple Eviction.
Here’s where we are at in terms of nominations as of last night:
Betty and Summer would nom Jace, Marty, Haleena (with a Kevin renom).
Josh would nom Jace, Marty, and he says Summer with a Betty renom (don’t buy it for a second, more likely with a Haleena renom).
Haleena and Kevin would nom Jace, Marty, Josh (with a Summer renom).
Jace would nom Kevin, Marty, Haleena (with ? renom likely Summer?).
Marty only has veto to contend with.
Veto holder tells the tale of the night in a lot of ways because of pair matching and no situation where confirmed pairs are put on the block together except in a Jace HOH.
Let’s remember if they do a season 5 style veto from that triple, Kevin and Josh discussed hacks for that comp.
Let’s remember Jace has been clutch in veto where her ass was on the line (remember when she faced Josh, Betty and Haleena in the second week balance veto?)
Storyline stands revealed at the end of this Triple. Week 8 with three votes deciding?
I don’t like that. The drama of the original triple was 5 voters deciding. This is more Kangaroo court. But then again, They’re doing the triple later now for greater control of the outcome.
I’m not expecting the HOH to play in the triple veto. I’m just not sure if it will run 5 or 6 players. I’m expecting 5, so there is a chance the pair that controls the HOH doesn’t even get to play in veto.
Veto tells the tail, because it determines which house faction controls the votes.
Two contradictory spoilers. I’m not going to be able to be helpful. Sorry.
Will be back to review the episode and hopefully will have an aftermath chart ready when i post the review.
Each of my 2 spoilers was 1/2 right. One of them had HOH right, they each had one of the evictees right.
The spoils I got that was unverified: Josh HOH, Jace, Summer evicted.
The other spoiler i read was Jace Marty evicted.
In the storyline the way I read it, I expected a Betty HOH, with Marty, Jace, Haleena noms, Kevin winning veto, removing Hal, forcing Betty to put up Summer with Summer Jace out.
Sorry. That’s what I saw coming in the chart I made 2 days ago. I redid it on the fly while the episode was airing.
TRIPLE EVICTION EPISODE
Preamble: Expect a dark ominous voiceover laden set up leading into recap is my thought. Also expect the actual triple to not start until about 25 after the hour IF they follow previous triples. It’s going to feel like a whirlwind. They’ll likely ALSO try to throw in a jury moment that could be saved for MONDAY. AND HERE WE GO
dark ominous throwback with lots of voiceover clips. The Dreaded Triple Eviction. POV CEREMONY
Jace d/r third backstab.
Kevin d/r can’t believe it… this is the chance he’s been waiting for.
Betty uses Veto on herself (strong woman not going anywhere). Marty renoms Gino.
Betty… omg. Jace darting eyes. Kevin trying not to cheshire laugh. Post Ceremony
Josh d/r this is illogical… maybe i’m safe.
Gino d/r gummibears? I don’t feel safe. I need to talk.
Jace d/r Gino pissed.
Marty d/r risk. Kevin or Haleena could turn and Jace will be pissed.
GHOSTS have the power says Haleena.
Josh d/r mindblowing response.
The Dummies are well hidden says Josh.
Due to THE GUMMIBEAR INCIDENT Gino is going to fight. (WHEN?) d/r Jace is my rock. Jace thinks Kevin should be up. Kevin is the big question mark.
Marty / Kevin talk in HOH.Getting out Gino on Marty’s hoh would be a betrayal and a knife in the back.
Here’s the don’t talk to those 3 people until eviction talk. Kevin is going to agree for now, but do what he wants d/r. CAMPAIGNING
Kevin d/r he might have a chance to win. Song and dance at the Hot Tub.
Jace and Hal talk. the Domino effect conversation. Jace d/r she’s mad. If Kevin flipped, Hal would have to flip too. Gino campaign: Marty and Jace are coming after you, everyone is after you if you flip. Everyone is pissed at Marty. You guys are triple targets if I leave. The four of us should stay tight. (ED. the threat, blindside lie campaign. They don’t show the showmance swearing to Summer and Betty that they’ll target Marty Kevin and Haleena).
Coming up… Jury house. I don’t care. Save it for the Monday fluff filler segment, It’s 23 after the hour and NOBODY is evicted yet. COMPLETE WASTE OF TRIPLE EVICTION TIME THAT COULD BE ON THE MONDAY SHOW. shortform: they think Marty is running the game. Morons. VOTE 1
Josh: not begging, i’m a choc chip cookie, bite me?
Gino: Gummibears? i kicked my feet up… i’m on he block. 183 on the red door btw.
Evict Josh
Jace
Evict Gino
Summer, Hal, Kevin, Betty. 4-1 Gino has been evicted. Don’t trust anybody, Jace. Thinks Marty, Hal and Kev are the 3 headed dragon. nope. 32 minutes after the hour.Triple announcement. HOH. Challenge knowledge. A/B. JOSH WINS HOH. NOMS: Marty, Jace, Summer (OH SHE”S GONNA SCREAM)
Summer screams at Josh in Expedia ruining Betty and Josh’s celebration. VETO Complete the clock. Betty and Josh are sitting out.
Roll balls using body weight to shift. JACE WINS VETO. RENOM: BETTY. EVERYONE SAVES BETTY. SUMMER AND MARTY EVICTED.
a bit of math.
183 hours is left on the red door during the eviction of Gino.
That means the red door hits zero in 7 days and 15 hours from filming time.
That basically means some time between lights out and wake up call after the next eviction? The final four will be awakened with an alarm of some kind when it hits zero is my guess.
That means a lengthy feed block next friday, with feeds ending mid day on saturday most likely, Sunday at the latest with Arissa calling them to the living room for a surprise eviction.
final 5 vetoes are a bit of a mixed bag historically: how bad do you want it booth veto (s. 1), physical treasure hunt (s 4 knockout rounds, 5), speed comp (s 3, 9), juror comp history trivia booth veto (s 6), physical endurance balance comp (s 7).crap shoot individual timed veto(s 2) Depending on the storyline they’re going to suit it to the skills of the comp winner.
I’m shook. Josh ACTUALLY stuck with the dummies and put BETTY on the block?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
NO. WAY.
I figured he’d put up Summer. I thought she’d stay calm until after Veto.
I figured Haleena would be renom FOR SURE.
Josh was ACTUALLY MORE LOYAL TO DUMMIES THAN BETTY????? Wow.
I need to process that.
Exit Arisaview with Summer and Marty.
Summer wants Betty to win. She’s mad at Josh.
She thinks Kev and Hal will be sitting at the end.
Josh wants Kevin to win, thinks Josh will win.
Summer is saying no to that.
Well this will be an interesting week…….guess I will fast forward these episodes lol. Cheers for whichever dummie isn’t on the block to pull one down and send jace out the door,
Thursday pm feeds
Okay. i’ve decompressed after the Triple and Betty’s HOH win.
Ika was host of the Shred that Letter HOH comp.
Betty won.
Jillian told Kevin to shred the letter because he used tongue on Marsha or something to that effect…. fuqifiknow. Kevin asks Betty who he is allowed to talk to. She says anyone you want, even Josh. Josh gets in his feels and leaves the room. Kevin talks to Josh. Kevin reassures Josh that Betty will be fine. Josh says he knows he’s going on the block. Kevin says as long as Jace doesn’t win veto they are golden.
Josh is upset that he had to lie. I’m of 2 minds. He’s been reaping the benefits of the other Dummies losing their position and getting shit on for being liars for weeks. So… he finally got his hands dirty and now it’s a catastrophe? Hal is talking to Betty. Betty is impressed with Hal’s block virgin card. She and Hal reveal their Summer Marty stories (the Tynesha stuff, the final 2’s, etc). Betty promises not to reveal to Jace that she knows Jace was secret veto holder.
Josh is planning to tell Betty he felt indebted to Hal/Kev for saving them multiple times while Summer wasn’t actually doing anything for them, just looking out for herself.
Betty tells Hal she feels like Josh felt indebted to Hal/Kev for saving them, and probably didn’t think Betty would have voted out Summer, but says she’d have had questions, but would have done it. (I don’t know if Betty actually WOULD have voted out Summer in that situation… I’m not sure). Betty reveals she’s never had a final 2 deal in the game (she’s one of Josh’s early game 7 final 2 deals isn’t she?) Reveals Summer had deals with EVERYONE, so how could she actually be loyal to anyone? When Betty finds out about the last 24 hours, she’s shocked but not surprised that Summer chose yesterday to make so many reveals. Jace joins…. Hal and Betty leave. OUCH. Hal tells Josh about Smarty (Sumar she calls it). She says she is grateful, but she was prepared to go on the block as renom. Josh reveals he couldn’t risk Kev or Hal leaving and wasn’t sure how the vote would fall, but knew the Dummies would save Betty.
Josh sits on the counter near Jace on one of the side couches. Ed. It’s sort of remiscent of early weeks when Jess would be on the same couch, and the rest of the house would avoid that area like the plague (including Jace). I’m not fond of shunning. If it continues I’m going to be thinking grow up and be humans. However, had Jace won HOH, she’d be doing the SAME THING to somebody, so for the first couple of hours, I’m going to try to avoid the issue as something that might trigger me.
Here is Jace’s problem: she never hung out with more than one girl at a time, and spent 90% of her time with Gino since week 4. Integrating into the house NOW is going to be HARD. Here is Betty’s problem: FINAL 5 HOH is a bit of a cursed position. You have to depend on relationships and bonds or a veto win in final 4 since you can’t play in the fin4 HOH. Here is Hal’s problem: can she avoid being renom this week, and can she avoid being the 5th place alternate to the title? FEEDS RETURN Jace is telling Josh there was no backdoor Josh plan when Gino was HOH (Gino told Kevin Josh would be renom, asked Haleena if she wanted to make the big move with the veto). She asks Josh why he put her on the block. He said she might have put up Josh or Betty if she won, so he had to do it. Jace is mad at Hal and Josh. Josh says with five people left in the house there’s nowhere to hide now, and he’d love to hear what EVERYONE has to say about everything. (If Josh calls a house meeting…. no, he won’t. I’m saying IF). So Josh is covering his ass because he KNEW that Jace was going after Kevin and Haleena not him and Betty. He’s trying to work his way back into the middle… in week 9. Josh reveals that She and Josh will likely be noms. Jace is pissed it isn’t Kevin and Haleena. Jace wants a final 3 with Betty and Josh, and wants Betty to target Kevin and Hal. Josh feels he put a damper on Betty’s parade for her HOH win because of the triple and how it shook out. She wanted to be the deciding factor in who stayed and who left, not a nominee and third vote instead of deciding vote in the triple.
BOTH JACE AND BETTY SEEM TO SEE THE LOGIC IN JOSH”S HOH NOMS…. really?? Haleena Kevin bathroom chat. She fears she’s the nominee on the block with Jace because of Betty’s comments about the Block virginity. Hal and Kevin swear not to blow up the Dummies relationship if either is evicted. Hal councils Kevin to get closer to Betty but don’t make it obvious to Josh, because Josh and Betty WILL reconcile. She’s trying to keep Kevin off the block. They are happy Summer is gone, but they aren’t going to tell Betty or Josh that. Battery Change… so bedtime for the houseguests within the next hour.
Josh is alone in expedia. Likely trying to figure out how to stay loyal to the Dummies, but also stay in the middle and liked by everyone.
He and Betty have not talked yet. Haleena Jace bathroom talk. Hal gives Jace a hug, and says that’s real not about game, she knows it’s hard, but she knows Jace is strong. They plan to talk tomorrow to hash out whatever made Hal snap at Jace during the triple (again… fuqifiknow and I doubt it will be in the behind the scenes recap Monday) guessing it’s about the backdoor Josh plan that Hal told Jace she heard about. Kevin goes to Betty for battery change: she’s already in bed.
Thursday pm 2
I thought they were done.
They weren’t done. Kevin and Josh chat in expedia beach.
Basically they have to keep the lines open, and now Kevin thinks Josh is the guy everyone will want to take to the end.
Josh explained telling Betty she was renom word for word. Betty immediately ran to Kev/Hal asking if she had their vote and they immediately said yes. NO mention if she went to Jace as well.
THERE WERE THREE FIGHTS ALMOST SIMULTANEOUSLY?
They discuss Summer and Josh fight, Betty and Summer fight (including an effing B being thrown loud enough for the whole house to hear), and Jace and Hal fight that happened during the triple.
So EVERYBODY got a litle bit of action… no wonder it looks like Kevin has popcorn stuck in his teeth. Haleena alone in red room talks to Canada about being proud of her game, that she’s stayed under the radar, and she’s been playing hard at staying invisible, and using information, lying and backstabbing when necessary. Jace alone in blue room talking about how pissed she is that she had to vote to save Betty. Everyone else gets to keep their pair why doesn’t she get to keep hers (in final 5). She wanted them to keep Summer not Betty it’s not fayyyyyyer. Okay i dramatized, but this is the woman that said a couple weeks ago how easy this game is (while she had a showmance as HOH). Kevin joins, and Jace wants the lights turned out, she’s been crying all night in Gino’s bed. The game is hard without a silent meat shield. Okay, whine tonight, keep whining tomorrow and i’m going to have to snippy about it. Betty alone in HOH Hal joins Betty. they chat about Betty still being a bit miffed with Jace mums the word. Betty reveals she offered to be a sacrificial lamb for Josh to stay in the game during their seond noms together, and being nominated is the thanks she gets? Okay, kvetch tonight, but if this becomes a perma rant, I’m going to have to get snippy about it.
Hal admits to Betty that she isn’t sure now WHO the backdoor was during Gino’s HOH anymore, she just got the gut feeling there was a backdoor, and has come to believe the showmance were hedging their bets. (She’s cutting Jace’s there was no plan to get Josh Hal’s a liar point off before it’s made). Betty appreciates the candor and Hal actually giving her the lowdown and trusting her with game information. She says she and Josh have never talked game like this, and she hugs Haleena telling her that they will talk more tomorrow. (keep in mind, Hal thinks she will probably be nominated, she’s jumping ahead of the line to bond with Betty now that Summer is gone). Hal downloads to Josh so that he knows that Haleena told Betty Josh didn’t tell her why she wasn’t nominated and Betty was, just that Josh wants to talk to Betty about it first (attempting to show Josh is more concerned with Betty’s feelings? Is she trying to help repair them still instead of feeding the wedge???)
Wow Josh and Betty are becoming quite the power duo winning back to back HOHs all of a sudden. But then again I don’t know if they are a duo anymore with Josh putting Betty on the block in the triple… I was shooketh when he did that! O_O
Like I know she was safe but then again so were Kevin/Haleena so I understand why she would be pissed.
Still she would be dumb AF to nominate him or even put him on the block in the event Veto is played (and she wasn’t forced).
She has to put up Kevin/Haleena imo. That way that duo is broken up or Jacey-Lynne goes if one of them pulls themselves off the block.
The only way Josh would get on the block is if he was the only option (JL wins and uses the Veto on say Haleena). In that unlikely scenario then Josh would almost surely get 5th place.
I’m thinking Haleena or Jacey-Lynne seem like the most likely to get evicted in 5th place though. We shall see!
I’ve felt all season that Josh was committed to the Dummies and he proved it on Thursday by (sorry but stupidly) putting up his perceived F2 partner Betty. Actually it’s not so much that he acquiesced to putting her up but how he handled it.
He could’ve told her – I want to use this to reward Kevin/Haleena for voting to keep us repeatedly & they’ve promised they will again. I believe them.
OR…
This might throw off Jace so if she wins F5 HOH it would keep us from both going OTB if she thinks we aren’t as close.
OR…
I don’t want to put you in a position to lose Summer’s jury vote & I’ve confirmed Kevin/Haleena will vote to keep you PLUS this will put us in good stead with them as that’s two of the four people competing for HOH.
Instead… he did ZERO damage control in the process and could very well end up OTB beside Jace now instead of either of the Ghosts.
Haleena is stepping up with her social game as the finale looms:
And hey KUDOS to Haleena who literally got Betty to turn her perceived hatred toward her into being perhaps Betty’s new greatest ally in the house. Tell me Betty won’t consider taking Hal over Josh as her F2 now.
Hal prepped this perfectly by dropping the “special POV” bomb on Wednesday, and told Betty how Jace/Gino were locked in with Marty and NEVER going to back door him. She shared Gino/Jace were pitching/promising to put up Marty Betty/Josh in the triple (BEFORE it happened).
(Summer’s over confidence likely expedited her exit):
Also benefitting Haleena was Summer’s overconfidence b/c she made a F2 deal with Jace & tried to make one with Hal. Since Betty had already been OTB having to beg Summer for her vote it wasn’t a reach to believe she wasn’t trustworthy. Plus Summer admitted to Betty she promised Jace she’d be safe ahead of Haleena with her/Betty/Josh.
Haleena stock is soaring based on her game management in last 48 hours:
This latter information is key – bc again Jace did NOTHING to manage her relationship with Betty this past week looking at her as being a nonentity since her vote was going to Josh. All season Jace took offense at how she was the one perceived as a +1 with Gino while that’s precisely how she’s treated Betty.
Jace hasn’t done herself any favors in the early hours since the triple isolating herself to grieve the loss of Gino — letting Hal dive right in to take advantage. And once again Hal is playing this perfectly. Instead of spending her time with Betty burying Jace (or agreeing with Betty about what a terrible thing Josh did) she’s sticking up for Josh telling her he should’ve explained it better but for sure he was protecting you by putting up Summer and he really does care about you – we need to fix this b/c you two love each other.
That effort by Hal is going to make Betty trust her more than even Josh likely. While Betty has been quick to be anti-Hal much of that was tied to the Tynesha vote and she bases much of her game on ACTIONS. At the start of the week, Betty was being a mean girl toward Hal thinking she was all alone — by the end of the week she’s viewing Hal as someone who played with integrity, was honest, and repeatedly saved her/Josh. That’s one hell of a turnaround in a matter of days!
Jace poor game management will likely be her undoing:
By the time Jace finally speaks to Betty it’s going to be a very hard sell for her to switch Betty’s thinking off putting her OTB.
Betty can rewind the conversations with the showmance to see how Jace was constantly pushing to get out Hal/Kev/Marty but once Marty won HOH they never bothered to check in with her again. It looks SUS and won’t work in her favor.
Jace NEVER admits her lies so it’s likely she’ll deny having the special POV. If she gets pissy I could see a point this week where she gets confronted by the other four on how JINO had F4 deals with both. If Jace tries to say she NEVER had a deal with the Ghosts they can call her out by saying if that’s true then why do you feel betrayed we didn’t vote for Gino?
Understandably, Jace is upset that Gino is gone but she really should have tried to talk to Betty immediately and sell to her how the Dummies are clearly working together. Instead, b/c Hal has brought her up to speed on so much & Kev/Josh retreated to hang out together it will just look like a desperate attempt by Jace.
All season it seemed like Hal was hurting herself by not being viewed as being close to anyone but Marty – now it’s actually paying dividends b/c it looks like Kev & her came together over being used by the showmance & Marty.
Haleena is benefiting by her actions matching her words. Told Josh/Betty that she was trying to get him to put up the showmance instead of playing Gino’s game (while as per above the showmance stopped talking to Betty/Josh), & dumped all that intel on Betty BEFORE the triple HOH so she looks like the honest person with integrity. It also didn’t hurt that Betty walked in on Jace being mean to Haleena trying to brow beat her into voting to keep Gino.
That also paints Jace in a bad stead b/c Betty is seeing Jace expect Hal/Kevin to keep Gino all while telling J/B that they’ll take them out in the triple. It makes Jace look heartless, like a bully & someone who just uses them all like pawns for her own gain.
Since Arisa didn’t say who voted to keep Betty she might believe it was just Kev/Hal. Although Josh told Kevin that Jace didn’t want to keep Betty & once she learns Jace fought to keep Summer instead of her that should cement her nomination.
Ghosts’ Actions: that was the FOURTH time Haleena & Kevin voted to keep Betty safe – Hal told her prior to the triple what was going on with the showmance, the special POV & since the triple Hal has downloaded how Jace/Summer made a F2 yesterday, how Summer was STILL willing to evict Betty the morning of the vote (versus Hermon) and perhaps most importantly that Summer ADMITTED that Tynesha pitched Hal going OTB to Jess (and that she was in the room when it happened (true).
The early winner of the post triple eviction is HALEENA.
Moving forward with Betty’s HOH the questions to be answered are:
Is there ANYTHING Jace can say to stay off the block? (not a shot in hell)
Will Haleena make it a clean sweep and avoid going OTB? I’m thinking yeah lol b/c…
Josh will likely be her second nom as penance for what he did in the triple? (he seems fine with it if that’s the case which is CRAZY)
If Josh & Jace are OTB on Thursday who would the Ghosts vote out? …
Josh’s loyalty to Dummies likely keeps him safe this week as long as Jace is OTB:
Prior to the triple the Ghosts had entertained taking out Josh on a few occasions. But now that Gino (who is buddies with Hermon/Moose) is headed to the jury along with Marty it’s unlikely they would vote out Josh over Jace as the above four would all likely vote for her over the Ghosts.
Factor in – it was Kevin who created Crash Test Dummies & the fact Josh put his own perceived F2 & F3 allies OTB with the latter leaving in the triple will hurt him. Moreover, once Kevin (or Hal) outlines the Dummies (and Ghosts) to the jury Josh will be viewed as someone they puppeted in the game to get intel for them & do their dirty work.
Also – with Betty not able to play in F4 HOH it would be better to send out Jace (who has her dates on lock) b/c that would guarantee one of the Dummies wins HOH & it would be that trio vs. Betty going for the POV. AND if they’re successful I’m envisioning a post-POV meeting similar to what happened to Britney with the Brigade where they lay out the CTD alliance & how they moved this season to protect themselves & Betty (unknowingly). All so she can take that intel with her to the jury roundtable. And you just know Josh will be admitting it was all Kevin’s idea.
If that happens & Josh ends up in a F2 seat with Kev based on some of the angry feelings already in place toward Josh (Summer/Moose) it should vault Kev ahead. But how would it impact Haleena? Would Betty/Summer/Jace consider voting for her instead of Josh (or Kev)?
Goodbye messages – time for CTD/Ghosts reveal:
So far we’ve seen Kevin’s GBM to both Hermon & Gino & he didn’t out the CTD or Ghosts in either of them. What we don’t know is whether Josh or Haleena did which could play a major factor, especially for Haleena.
If the jury learns Kevin/Hal created the Ghosts on Day 2 – then went to Josh and cemented the Dummies early (in truth it was week 5 & the Tynesha eviction) the jury will have to give props for their game strategy & being able to keep their alliance COMPLETELY hidden.
The Dummies (and more so the Ghosts) have inexplicably kept their alliances hidden all season. The funny part for me is this occurred mostly because of the arrogance & overconfidence of the other hamsters.
Gino/Jace thought they were insulted everywhere, Marty (Hermon/Moose) thought they were all running the house, and even Summer & Josh took credit for certain things occurring that they had NOTHING to do with.
That to me was the mastery of Haleena & Kevin who STILL are functioning at F5 with no one linking them together. Sure they were tied to Marty but as individuals NOT as a duo. And even in these last few days, Kevin is sticking to Josh while Haleena moved to Betty so they continue to be viewed as individuals. Even Josh believes he’s Kevin’s #1 (he’s NOT – Haleena is & that’s further cemented by Josh winning the triple HOH).
Props to both of them (and even Josh) b/c they were the only hamsters to keep their alliance hidden this entire time which is impressive, particularly in this season where every alliance got blown up.
This isn’t a defense of Summer’s game (i’ve been calling out her entitlement for a while), but I’m going to just point out a blindside would have me pretty peeved if you spoke to me immediately after it happened.
It would take me about a good half hour to digest and accept and get my act together.
If she’s still as petty in her post interviews today… then yeah, entitled and poor sportsmanship would fit, imo.
April 22nd – the hamsters are up – Betty initial thoughts & Jacey plotting…
Business Betty:
Betty is talking to herself as she’s wont to do – some of the top lines from her mumblings is she’s STILL pissed at Josh feeling he embarrassed her on national TV b/c of how happy she was he won HOH & earlier in the season when she was willing to throw her game away to save him.
She’s pretty much ignoring him (won’t talk to him) & the gist is they’ll get past it – but it sure sounds like it’ll be Josh & Jace going OTB at least that’s the initial indication. She said “if she stays up & goes (Jace) fine & if it’s him oh well.” She also referenced karma (Josh going OTB via her hand – right after he did it to her).
Note: this must’ve been confirmed to Haleena who tells Kev it’ll be Jace/Josh OTB – couldn’t hear who the replacement would be. They say if either wins POV they keep noms the same & if one of them goes up that’s who they save.
Betty is taking her new BFF Kevin to Wendy’s (and also in her self chat called Kevleena HONEST. So like I said earlier the way Hal managed her the past 48 hours was perfect. Kevin & Betty have the most bizarre relationship b/c she started out hating him but Kev wore her down by constantly saving her, keeping her in the loop with little tidbits here & there & always saying he loved her.
With Josh putting her OTB & learning how SUS Summer was in regards to keeping him (vs. Hermon) & making F2 deals with Jace last minute & not telling her it’s worked to Kevleena’s advantage with Kev sort of replacing Josh as her BFF & Hal coming across as playing the game the way Betty wanted to – – with integrity/honesty — (little does she know).
Jace is flying blind:
Jacey is plotting her pitch which has glaring holes/problems partially through no fault of her own. She plans on calling Kevleena snakes, liars, & manipulators & will go in HARD on Haleena saying she “made up unnecessary lies & enjoyed it – laughed about it”. (THIS is how the house views Jace – so she’s just going to feed into that further by taking this stance).
Moreover, there is a myriad of issues with this pitch b/c Haleena laid out PRECISE TANGIBLE evidence & it was confirmed by Kev to Josh (plus Kev to Summer which was passed along during the week) it only makes Jace look like she is the liar & manipulator.
Adding to her downward position is last week she spent the entire time trying to get Kev/Hal’s votes & ZERO time nurturing her relationship with Betty. AND pushed Josh/Kevleena to keep Summer instead of Betty last night. So it will look like Jace had every intention of booting Josh & Betty but now that she’s in danger wants to target Kev/Hal.
Betty promised Hal she won’t reveal to Jace what she knows to be true – she told Hal she wants TRUTHS from Jace, but won’t be probing for them. She’s expecting Jace to step up & tell her truths. It’s likely Betty is looking for Jace to admit she won the secret POV or that her/Gino had copious F4 deals (Betty knows of at least 4 maybe more).
The problem is Jace doesn’t know what Betty already knows & more importantly this isn’t how Jace plays (she’s NEVER honest & NEVER admits to her lies). Consider the Gino pitch to stay where both Hal (prob pre-planned by the Ghosts) admits to throwing Kev UTB to Marty & so does G – but when Kev says “I know you pitched me & I’m fine with it” Jace REFUSED to own it. That was the safest situation for her to admit to what she did w/o repercussions yet she continued to lie so there’s NO WAY she does it now feeling threatened to go OTB.
It’s also unlikely she admits to making a F2 with Summer or trying to keep her in the triple & the fact she won’t (or to having the Special POV) it’s doubtful anything else she says will be accepted.
Notably, Betty walked in on a convo with Jace & Hal on Weds & told Hal it looked like she was bullying you/threatening you so that’s also working against her. With Jace trying to paint Hal as the lying, manipulating b*atch will backfire & she’ll come across as the bully crying wolf.
Jace contemplated calling all 3 (Ghosts/Josh) or just the guys (girl power) her targets but then backtracked b/c she’s worried Josh/Betty will makeup & that will backfire on her. Ironically, her best bet might actually be calling out the Dummies are a trio to get Betty thinking that could be true.
The girl power pitch isn’t a bad idea since Betty always said she wanted a female to win. Jace is going to tell Betty that if Gino stayed their plan was to work with Summer/Betty — the problem here of course is that Summer NEVER told her that & b/c Jace was working Kev/Hal so hard it also looks like a lie. WHY has she never brought this up before? B/c the showmance pushed taking out Sum/Bet to Kevleena she is always fighting the hedging bets on both sides & will have a hard time with this pitch. Sure, now that Kev/Hel voted out Gino/Marty she doesn’t want to work with them but where was this commitment before that? Plus – if she presents this to Haleena -she’ll stick a fork in it & say the entire season Jace has ONLY ever wanted to work with the guys – so this is really convenient she suddenly wants to work with us all while she’s bashing me.
The Ghosts/Dummies were two steps ahead of Jace – while she was working to keep G in the house only stopping to make a F2 with Summer. She acted like Betty wasn’t even in the house & ultimately that will likely be why Betty doesn’t buy what she’s selling.
Conversely, Hal/Kev kept Josh/Betty in the loop all last week on what was happening so the fact the showmance pushed so hard to get out Josh is only going to make everything she says SUS. For example, if the F4 deal with J/B was real then why would she feel so betrayed by Kevleena – what exactly did they owe the showmance if their F4 was the real one?
Since Kev has smartly jumped into being Betty’s new BFF & she’s taking him to Wendy’s for Jace to try to bury him isn’t going to fly & likely will have the opposite effect. In fact, we know Betty loves a good sarcastic vent session so she’ll likely spill Jace’s entire pitch to which Kevin will fill with holes. Watch for Kev to plant with Betty that Jace would win if she stays b/c Gino is buddies with Hermon/Moose (had F4 with them) so he’ll have them voting for her & Marty will do anything G tells him so if she gets to the F2 chair she already has four votes.
If Jace knew what Betty knew she might have a fighting chance but w/o her knowing Hal/Kev kept them updated on everything happening & the pitch from the showmance to target them it just will make anything Jace says seem like a lie.
Josh will have to eat crow:
Josh will have some work to do & already expects to go OTB. His best bet would be to tell Betty I’m fine if you put me OTB – I deserve that but I love you & maybe I panicked but I wanted to ensure that Summer didn’t stay & I was worried if I put up Hal or Kev that maybe you & Jace would keep Summer who I knew we couldn’t trust.
They’ll probably be some tears shed (from Josh) & a genuine apology. Fortunately, Hal already worked Betty last night to say she knows Josh put up Summer initially b/c he was protecting Betty – AND she confirmed Summer made F2 with Jace & tried to make one with Hal.
Moving forward:
Much of what happens this week will depend on Jace being up & staying up so the F4 would be the Dummies & Betty.
Although a lot can change in any week the reality is Jace has been so shady & lied so much that it will be hard to shift that position. Again– Jace did NOTHING to nurture the F4 deal with Josh/Betty while Kev stayed close to Betty the entire time & Hal broke out all the secrets on Wednesday. Shifting Betty away from believing Hal would require Betty to see something tangible that correlates & b/c Jace never offered any of that beforehand she’ll be hard-pressed to do it now. Instead, it’s likely Betty will believe she’s just making stuff up to stay off the block & to cover her own ass.
The bottom line is although Betty is happy to play the role of petty Betty she’s going to feel a certain way about Jace (via JINO’s own actions). She has also been someone who has made comments like “I’m sure Marty is a wonderful man, a doting husband, and lovely father outside this house” – it speaks of how Betty leans to kindness (remember she was one of the few who shed tears thinking Kevin was leaving) so when Jace comes in gunning with negativity firing from both cylinders it’s likely only going to serve to confirm Betty’s gut choice that Jace has to go.
Betty will want the final 2 weeks in the house to be fun & knows she’ll have that with Kev/Josh (who she’s spent ample time with all season) along with her budding friendship with Haleena. Jace & her have never been BFF’s or hung out so that also will play into the equation.
FRIDAY AM Betty’s pathology: If Betty is mad and doesn’t get an immediate confrontation where Betty can come off as the right fighter, she holds on to her grudge. Think about her relationships with Kevin and Moose. Now contrast that with her relationship for most of the game with Haleena, and now Josh. If you are shy about confrontation, Betty is going to seethe.
She isn’t over the Josh sting. If anything, she’s more riled. She didn’t get to call him out, he’s avoiding the talk, so she’s avoiding the talk, so it’s a fester situation. Kevin and Haleena are considered honest straight shooters by Betty.
Each of them are doing their damnedest to stay on Bety’s good side and feed her Jace info that for the most part is true especially if you use a semantic perspective shift filter.
Hal has been told now that noms will be Jace and Josh. I think she’s been told she’ll be renom if one is required, but in a tie vote, she’d keep Haleena if she were renom.
Kevin is now the Wendy’s date I think.
Kevin and Hal have downloaded to each other everything they are gathering from Jace, Josh and Betty.
The expedia room is locked, I’m starting to consider it the Josh room after the last week, he’s taken up residence… what ever will he do???
For Jace’s part: she’s planning to propose a f2 to Betty. She’s not sure if she should go the f3 with Betty and Josh, or go the women’s power route, saying they take Hal to the end.
Jace does say if she wins veto and Hal is on the block, she’s easier to beat, so she’d evict Josh. The organization of her pitch isn’t bad. Her delivery is usually an issue (she gets a little sanctimoniously pushy and it rubs the HOH’s the wrong way). Her big problem? She plans to call Kevin and Hal liars and snakes that get off on telling unneccessary lies. Given that Betty thinks the 2 have been shooting her the straight talk, and fighting for her survival since week 2’s nomination, that could lead balloon pretty bad. Let’s remember: Jace and Betty haven’t had a great rapport since week 2 when Betty counseled Jace to work on her relationships with more than just Gino, and Jace ghosted her to spend more time with Gino.
The house is now aware that Jace wanted to keep Summer, not Betty. Josh and Betty were both told that Jace went to Kev/Hal before the vote and said she’d rather keep Summer, but they over ruled her. Did I say Betty is taking Kevin to Wendy’s? The initial thought was Hal, but it’s Kevin.
Exit interviews: so far all of the interviews are group, not individual. Keep that in mind. Each press outlet gets 15 minutes with the three of them. They usually get 15 with each evictee. Global itself may ge giving it’s people 15 each, but all other press is getting 15 minute rush
Summer is still betrayed by Josh, but not as heated. She’s team Betty and Kevin (who she is like, who she wanted to be like).
Gino is saying he had an alliance with Josh Betty Summer so he would have taken them to f4 (not saying that alliance became fake to him 4 days later when he and Jace were thinking f3 with Kevin… hmmm). Team Jace and Josh (showmance and introverted muscly guy).
Marty is undecided. Best overall game..gummibear.. you know he means comp wins right? right. gummibear. He’ll get the finalist to pick gummibears, won’t he?
Each of the 3 is subtly pushing that their winner choice is the person that played most like them to validate their own game strategy. Common juror practice before the jury hive minds.
Marty has learned Hal and Josh are in an alliance (don’t know… sometimes they do gbm after the special evictions for jurors) gummibear. I think Marty, who was f2 with each of Gino, Summer, Hal, Kevin, Jess, Hermon, Josh and likely a gummibear at SOME point in the game, takes offense to anyone else having a side f2…. gummibear. Marty looks calm. Personal impression: Josh, get it over with. Get the wrath of Betty done. Can’t sink into the middle for that one. The first time in the game that Josh couldn’t sit back and reap the rewards without having to do anything, and his response is lackluster. Jace? would have had a better shot if she’d stayed consistent in her Betty relationship. Jace threw away every relationship she had when Gino entered a room, and now she’s got the least actual ties to anyone in the house. Remember when we were friends in week 2 isn’t a strong talking point in week 9 to a heart/feeling player like Betty.
How are they going to flashback to the arguments when you have Haleena telling Jace she’s going for her throat… and you have Summer at the top of her lungs screaming that Betty is a Fooqing Betch? evil grin… do it… show us. bwa hahaha.
If we accept that the d/r is the writer’s plotline device:
Kevin has high 70’s d/r input. Jace has low seventies. Betty has high fifties, Josh has mid fifties, and Haleena has low 30’s input (but camtalks aren’t d/r and she has quite a few so possible adjust to mid 40’s).
If you’re starting to get season 3 feels about how this endgame is shaping up… i totally see where you’re coming from.
Game analysis. Marty: Comp threat. Strategically might have been better if not for the social manipulation abilities of the Ghost Alliance. Tried to Alphabro early wanting a JolieMecs type thing. His game really was strategically ruined by the Ghosts… oooh boy. His attitude was problematic, his opinions could be problematic, and he was never going to win, but would have dominated comps if they kept him. It was the right move to get him out, he knew the damn camera angles of every camera in the house. No really. His earliest kick yer feet up deal (if Josh is to be believed) was with Jay, Josh and Jess… a four not alliance but deal. Knowing that puts a totally different spin on some of Marty’s movement, but doesn’t change just how problematic he was. Marty had how many f2 deals, and is annoyed by ANY of those deals having another alliance or deal. Summer: Social game based on creating tiers. She was with Honeybunch but didn’t want Jace. She was with Savage 7 but didn’t want Kyle and Moose. She was with Mandems but didn’t want Haleena. She was with Siblings but didn’t want Jess. She flirted as strategy to the point social media was hashtagging sino, surmon, and sumoose. At one point she was THE MOST insulated person in the house, then she tanked her own insulated position when Hermon and Betty were on the block. Entitled and Petty. See her campaign on the block, vs. the hoops she made people jump through when THEY were on the block. Jace: started out top loaded with alliances, but instead of fostering all of them, she would ditch one for the next: Honeybunch, Cupcakes (Steph, Hal), Reatreat. Serially monogamous alliancing instead of maintaining all connections… with Gino being her raison d’etre. Likes to say she played an honest game… sorry no. Clutch comp winner that goes underestimated until now because Gino was goldenboy to the house. Truly, she has a sense of entitlement that rivals Summer’s. Gino def has a type. It comes as no surprise that a competitive figure skater wins both balance vetoes. Just saying. Betty: Spent the first quarter of the game NOT PLAYING BIG BROTHER. No seriously, she was playing Moral Superiority. Never actually put in the work to make alliances, she was just included by others (sometimes without even knowing). As the numbers went down, and the competition she was facing in comps became weaker, she did better. At this point she’s still a morally superior right fighter that takes everyone at face value, then gets judgemental. She made it to this point instead of being evicted because there was always a more threatening target to the Ghosts, and they manipulated the HOH. Started the game with a real world connection to Hermon, and told everyone she’d never vote him out (which led me to the Week 2 conclusion one or the other should leave immediately). Josh: Has thrown every comp he could win, and lost every comp he needed EXCEPT for the Triple HOH comp (that he didn’t actually NEED to win). He’s benefitted from other people liking him to the point they include him in alliances without him having to contribute. His lack of sharing game intel has actually started to make everyone question him now. Middle player that will DO ANYTHING to stay in the middle and now feels lost because he had to win something and make an actual move. He started the game with a real world knowledge of Jay, and had about 7 final 2 deals by week 2. Haleena: On paper…. she’s actually a mess. She can’t win comps, she has challenges that screw her ability to study for mental comps, and she’s such a klutz, she went for a jog and tripped over her own feet when she left her house and reached the sidewalk. However, her game is invisible. She has the ability to see social cues, intuit game, and collect information from people while making them feel secure. She can’t actually win because of jury perception of her, they’ll NEVER take her seriously. But her social game has actually been ridiculously good. Worst edit inclusion for a final 5 house guest I’ve ever seen. NO really. She was Invisileena in the edit until Jess’ HOH when Jess wanted to quit and so Kevin’s f2 with Hal was added to the storyline. What, that wasn’t obvious to everyone? That’s how I read it immediately. Flashing back to a day 2/3 clip in week 4 to include a houseguest you’ve been neglecting by edit choice? Sideye. That was sus. Kevin: A chaos schemer that has benefitted from partnering with Haleena as much as she has from him. Her reads mixed with his ability to conspire and implement chaos to his benefit have been social game gold. Can’t win a comp either… and needs to. Without Kevin, think of how this season actually would have progressed. He has had his finger in every pie, and hasn’t actually been held to task. The plays to the camera d/r part of his game I could do without (I don’t need the hand holding and spoon feeding production, i get what he’s doing). I’d like to see how he responds to Chaos he didn’t create and anticipate.
So, Betty had her Wendy’s date with Kevin and has met with Haleena. She pitches Hal to go to F3 with her & Kevin (and sort of hints at the two females going F2).
She’s still upset at Josh who hasn’t made an effort to talk to her yet but I’m sure he will.
Her initial nominations will be Josh & Jace so that the Ghosts +Betty can get out one of the two strongest competitors. This is PRECISELY what Kev/Hal want so it sure feels like Kev misted Betty in the Wendy’s date.
Haleena & her strategized about Jace with Betty asking if she should pitch a “girls thing”. Hal said so ‘we working together right?” Betty said YES. Hal said why don’t you tell Jace your target is Josh but she has to put up Jace over Kevin/Hal b/c they immediately told her she was safe last night whereas Jace wanted to keep Summer but she’ll just be a pawn.
She’ll tell Betty she’s going to put up Kev if she wins POV. That’s when Hal suggested she warn Kevin what she’s going to tell Jace & that she has no intention on him leaving & that as long as Haleena is off the block she trusts she’ll keep Kevin no matter what & she’ll have the tiebreaker if either Josh or Jace try to vote him out.
Hal then suggested she let Josh explain himself & said I still think this thing between you two can be fixed at least on a personal level & while I understand he’s a great competitor it would be nice for you two to make amends. They both see now that Josh clearly had F2 deals with Moose, Hermon & probably Summer for her to be so upset.
They also wonder if he has a F2 with Kev & Josh (Betty implies that Kev said they did – not sure if I heard that correctly). Hal also suggested she tell Josh that Jace is the target (which Josh should be fine with since he has the Dummies to protect him anyway as long as Jace is on the block). The danger for Josh will be if Jace wins POV — SO expect him to be gunning for POV to ensure Jace doesn’t win it.
Hal/Betty also ran through the jury & how the guys will be with Gino & therefore that will help both Jace/Josh whereas the trio of Kev/Hal/Betty don’t have the same type of commitments in jury.
The HOH lockdown just ended so chats with Jace & Josh are upcoming.
WARNING, LONG UPDATE OF POST TRIPLE ONE ON ONES. ?Friday Pm. I’m going to out for a portion of the evening, so I may miss Nomination fallout.
I’ll try to backstep as much as I can to fill everyone not on feeds in on what happened. This is the pre nomination report. I’ve done as much detail as I could. WHERE WE STAND: Josh has decided not to talk to Betty so he can be petty. eyeroll. That’ll change, prodo needs that conversation for the edit. Betty Hal ONE ON ONE
Betty post Wendy’s has come to the conclusion that Josh has WAY too many deals this season. She thinks he’s being a coward not facing her and taking his tongue lashing like a man.
Kevin said he had a deal with Josh (f2?) during Wendy’s is what Betty is telling Hal.
Betty is not sure if she’s doing the Jace/ Josh noms or if she’s doing the Kev/Josh nom.
She wants her final three to be Kev and Hal, but she also considers the girl power route.
Hal said if she needs a renom, Betty could put her up (she’d hate it but understand). Betty doesn’t want to take Hals’ block virginity. Sideye.
So right now, If i understand it correctly, and I may be off… Hal and Betty are solid. Hal says she’s been offered Final 2’s in the game but never understood it because she didn’t know who the final 3 would be so agreed to watching backs and played along, but never understood the point of final 2 so early. (oh that’s a whopper). Betty says she never had a final 2 either… the edit clearly states that Josh and Betty had a final 2.
So
Betty is either nomming Jace and Josh or Kevin and Josh with a Jace renom plan in her Haleena one on one. They go over every option that covers them for whatever Betty wants by the end of the week (Josh or Jace out the door). Jace Betty ONE ON ONE
Jace is trashing Hal/Kev as Marty’s minions. Says she and G weren’t working with Marty after the failed vote flip. Says Marty planted stories in Haleena’s head. Doesn’t admit to having the secret veto until Betty directly questions her, and says there was no back door Josh plan. She wants girl power or Betty Josh final 3. Jace says she’s loyal and hasn’t lied in this game…. (oh somebody check for lightning).
Betty tells Jace she wants Josh out, but that Jace is an option because Jace has played her in the past.
Jace pushes the week 2 women empowerment idea she expressed to Betty.
Betty may buy some of this. Not all, but some. Jace is making the mistake of being more anti Haleena than anti Josh after hearing that Josh is the target.
Jace pushes she’s a locked vote, and you have to take Haleena’s block virgin card, she’s too close to Josh. Jace says she doesn’t have a final 2 with Josh.
Jace pushes that Josh has a final 2 with each of Kevin and Haleena and they could split the snake pair that were always in the room when Betty and Josh were the noms decision (so were Jace and Gino… oops). Jace says the pair would save Josh if Jace is on the block. Jace should be pushing Kevin and Josh, she’s more pushing Hal and Josh. Does Betty notice?
Betty wants Jace to keep their talk private, she’s got to think about what she’s going to do.
Jace leaves. BETTY ALONE
Betty says one of Josh or Jace has GOT to GO. ED. when Betty went to Jace in the triple asking for her vote Jace wouldn’t commit. THAT is why Jace is not getting trust. Josh Betty ONE ON ONE
incoming. He wants to make tea. She’s not laughing at him, she’s laughing at the situation.
Betty tells him the floor is his:
Josh explanation of his triple noms: He couldn’t trust Summer, she was making too many side deals. He only put Betty up because he owed Kevin and Haleena for their vetoes that saved him from the block. He couldn’t be positive they wouldn’t be voted out to save Summer, who he knew was in with everyone.
Josh says if he could do it differently, he would pull in all three of Betty, Kev and Hal and get their opinions on what to do for renom.
Betty makes it a dialogue: Betty says she felt the decision was already made before Josh told her, and it hurt because she now feels like she’s just been playing Josh’s game. Betty says she knows Josh has deals in the house, and she was ready to take second place to him in final 2 before his choice. She forgives him but her eyes are open now. Josh is wondering what deals? He didn’t deny deals, he asked her to specify? (ooooh. that’s not good). Josh says their friendship is good, but their gameship is bad now. He will show her through actions. Betty says Josh didn’t give reason as HOH, he just gave her the result. She thought his style as HOH was too KYLE. Now she knows she has to play her OWN game. She thought she and Josh were partners, but now realizes that in that moment he put owing Kevin and Haleena over his partner. He didn’t think she’d be HOH and there would be consequences. Betty isn’t saying they can’t rebuild, but she is saying you put me on the block, so I’m putting you on the block. This isn’t tit for tat (it is) and he isn’t playing tit for tat either. He says if he stays and wins final 4 HOH she will see (that’s the week veto holder has all the power dipshit).
Betty says Hal didn’t know about secret veto until after and was hedging her bets in case it was Josh OR marty backdoor, she didn’t technically save Josh, but Josh saved her in the triple. Josh says Betty isn’t expendable to him.
Betty wishes Josh had told her about his Summer doubts. She was running around like a chicken sans head in a triple trying to get votes. Josh says he had Kev and Hal’s word they would save Betty before he made the nom (they’ve always kept their word when we were on the block being the subtext he wants, but to Betty it feels more like prioritization). ED. JOSH DOESN”T THROW DUMMIES UNDER THE BUS, He does say with Jace pulling him into rooms, he couldn’t get time to tell her his Summer doubts. Kevin revealing his Josh relationship at Wendy’s is problematic.
Josh is talking to Hal thinking they are the noms. Kevin is now Betty’s best friend. Both are fine with being noms. Both are saying they’ll try for veto.
Betty is alone listening to music and pumping herself about making a good decision.
Betty searches out Hal to tell her that Jace tossed Hal under the bus hard to try to save herself. Betty says she lied to Jace that it was Marty that told her about secret veto, not Hal ( ED. Betty walked in on what she decided was Jace browbeating Hal a couple days ago, so is more sympathetic with Hal atm). Jace pushing girl power while pushing a Hal nom was no bueno to Betty. Kevin Betty ONE ON ONE
Betty lays out Jace’s entire pitch to Kevin. Kevin is laughing and loving the final 3 with Betty. Betty says Kevin could be screwing her over, Kevin says he knows his credibility isn’t high with her yet, but he’s all in. He says laugh about it or get mad, he chooses laughter. Betty informs Kevin she played along with Jace’s girl power talk in case he hears about it later. Kevin hopes Betty gets to play in veto ( ED.historically final 5 hoh plays in veto, check Breydon winning HOH and POV at final 5 in Season 9 * the un knotting the string speed comp, check Kyra winning in HOH final five and playing in the POV *balance strength endurance remove the jewels hand and foothold comp that Adam won). Kevin tells Betty that Josh and Jace win hands down in the jury, for anyone else to have a shot those 2 have to go. Josh Kevin pantry
Josh still thinks it’s 2 dummies as noms. Kevin says third dummie has to win veto and we own the day, because Jace is the only nom left in that scenario. Okay… taking a break now. Anything major that happens from about 6:30 pm to later this evening, I’ll back check and report.
Betty has told Kevin she wants Josh gone, but either of the two gone is a fine.
Betty told Hal that Kevin is the renom.
Betty told Kevin that Hal is the renom.
Make of that what you will.
This isn’t a rant.
This is an observation.
Kevin and Josh wonder why Haleena has gotten called out as being a rat and a snake so much, and Kevin hasn’t when they’ve done exactly the same things to exactly the same people. They wonder if it’s one of those social perceptions of gender issues. Um… gee.
Consider: the jury now knows that Hal, Kev and Josh have a working relationship. Marty revealed in interview. Who are they crediting with good social manipulation game? Kevin and Josh. Who is a disappointment? Hal.
If I were being petty, I’d want to check to make sure they were being paid the same stipend.
Part of the reason this isn’t a rant: d’uh.
Like everyone isn’t aware of how social perception of gender is still a thing. It is.
We’re just actually getting men wondering if it’s a thing for the first time on big brother. NO really, point another time on another season where a man wondered if a woman playing the game in exactly the same way as him was being judged by different standards. There’s a trope that happens in bb: a woman wins one early season comp and is labeled a comp beast that must be evicted. There’s another trope that exists: a social manipulator male is called a gamer, a social manipulator female is a target.
Yes, Jace calls Kevin AND Hal AND Josh snakes. Privately. Publicly? She calls out Hal.
The jurors? See Kevin and Hal playing the same game, credit Kevin only.
Not a rant. An observation. mmmhmmm.
A thought. How different would the season have been if the abandoned alliance of week three had been successful, and the successful one abandoned?
Think about it.
In week three, Hermon pulled aside Summer, Moose and Tynesha to form a core of the savage seven. This is when Steph and Betty were to be noms. He was shoring up his core alliance within his dreamchild Savage 7 because his side deal Retreat was breaking with his showmance puppet Steph and his back end real world deal Betty both going on the block. When Moose went on the block instead of Betty, that broke the Savage 7 as well which lit the True Few / Fuse that was fanned into a bonfire when Josh was made renom.
But… what else was going on that could have altered the game even more?
The Rebel Rejects. That was Summer’s brainchild of trying to come up with numbers by pulling all of her side deals into one group. Proposed membership? Summer, Tynesha, Haleena, Kevin, Josh, Betty and either Jess or Hermon. Why was it abandoned? Hermon. He didn’t want to work with so many “floaters” (he really means geeks or losers when he says floaters). Summer and Tynesha dropped the idea of consolidating their working relationships into ONE machine because Hermon wanted to have his core people and his alpha bro club, and was pushing more for the Red bedroom alliance Kyle feared because Kyle deconstructed his dream alliance. It was never a forever to him, it was just to get rid of Kyle, then drop the losers (he said so). Even when Josh, Kevin, Hal and Jess each asked if Rejects could be done without Hermon, Summer didn’t follow through.
How would the game have altered IF Summer and Tynesha had formed it without Hermon?
I actually think that would have done one of two things: either the Alphabros would have been the house targets, or the house steamroll. Let’s review facts:
Kyle would have still left week four. Tynesha would likely not have been target week five because the Mandems and Siblings would have been a consolidated entity with Kevin and Josh meaning majority. Moose therefore would have been out. That means Moose doesn’t win chain of Safety. Summer had the next Highest roll.
The chain in that case becomes Summer, Tynesha, Betty, Josh, Kevin, Haleena, Jess and the bottom four become Hermon, Marty, Jace and Gino… Jess either picks Marty or Jace.
See where I’m going with this? Totally different season with that one choice.
You know what, that’s the main reason I don’t give a crap that Summer was evicted. She had the chance to radically alter the game with her own alliance plan to her own benefit, and didn’t follow through with it when she actually had to put in the work for result.
Week three was the week that actually tanked Summer and Tynesha because they didn’t make the move that would have altered their game and put them in the driver’s seat.
You know what, That alliance would have actually been my favorite alliance in the house.
Sorry. It would. I was actually excited about it for a day because it would have been a complete change from what we usually get.
Saturday AM
As expected, now that Betty has had her chance to expel her righteousness like venom at Josh, she feels better and they’ve reconciled.
So now Betty wants Jace to go. (But if Josh goes he goes from a game level).
Apparently the final 5 will be having an Easter Hunt some time this weekend because BB forgot to tell them it was Easter last weekend (gee wasn’t the passover stuff a clue?).
Kevin is making his rounds. Hal is beginning to do that worry thing she does every week.
The final five is, in many ways, beginning to act more like a traditional final five. Everyone off in separate corners predominantly was weird. There’s usually only one outside of the conspiring circle.
Josh and Kevin tell Betty she’s like Keifer… Did Betty threaten to quit every time she went on the block? Did they have 8 hour feed blocks with everyone changing their mind and keeping him after she went to d/r to self evict? She’s definitely more the Tera.
Checked twitter for the first time since the Triple today. We’ve entered a mirror universe. Because Summer is gone, the girl they called racist all season is getting the nod of support to win veto to take out Josh. I mean, they still don’t call her by name (they’ve made up a million other names for her), but Josh taking out Summer has him on cancel call, and go get that veto Jace messages Where have they been for the last 23 days? I mean, Josh has been in a named alliance with Kev Hal for over 3 weeks. They still looked at the game as racially motivated, and can’t handle reality. How many times did Josh point out that Summer’s game was all about Summer, not about her allies, so he wouldn’t support her. There was an entire week where that’s a conversation he had with everyone but Betty. I’ve certainly the bias that both twitter and facebook have this season to a degree i never thought imaginable. I’ve had to go back and check my notes on multiple occassions because some of the alternate universe fanfic takes they’ve got going? Didn’t happen.
I don’t so much care right now about who wins veto. Sorry. I don’t. I’m more interested in what STYLE of veto comp they have. Everyone studying for the veto has me thinking, well the only time the veto was about house event trivia was season 6. I doubt they do strength like 7. speed is possible. individual time is possible. crap shoot is possible. I don’t see how bad do you want it (as soon as they say go on slop for the rest of the season Kevin wins veto and none of those 3 women are shaving their head). Could be a knock out rounds like season 4, but I doubt that too.
There’s lots of comps they haven’t done this year that have become sort of staple that they usually do, but final 5 veto has always been such a mixed bag depending on what type of season they were shooting for (this is why I’m saying it’s usually catered to a certain house guest).
Anyone else wonder if Kevin has throw comps? He says no, but i think he’s thrown a couple. Hal? she ain’t been throwing, and that’s sad.
Part of me wants to see Josh win veto JUST for bbtwitter to go meltdown again.
Juror Assessment:
Still of the belief that 16 people started out playing big brother this season, and currently 5 people are still playing. However, I think many in the jury are far more biased. So, while I’m assessing the jurors, please note, I don’t care in terms of game what a player’s race is, but I do believe it’s important to some of the jurors.
Juror 1: Hermon: most likely to vote Comps as biggest component, followed by his personal relationship to the final 2 in the game. He can pontificate to the choir as much as he wants about how much he wants that it’s about game to him, it isn’t. If you saw his ratings for the houseguests clip, you know that. will vote his opinion of who was cool over who was a loser (he doesn’t know what a floater actually means).
Juror 2: Moose: most likely to think he’s the jury whisperer. He isn’t. Most likely to follow the bros in putting more emphasis on comp wins and personal relationship. BUT, he is likely the most flexible in his opinion.
Juror 3: Gino: Comp wins and friendship yet again. He will vote most likely in terms of who played most like him as validation for how he played.
Juror 4: Marty: problematic juror. Comps comps comps and datfuqingbeddy. He’s most likely to follow the crowd because he’s easily manipulated. (secretly more likely to vote white and male because he identifies with them). thinly veiled bitter juror.
Juror 5: Summer: reality check, she used the word colonist too much in the house to not vote based on racial bias, but will vote petty. Really thinks she’s going to get her star moment when she does her jury question and makes it about herself, wait and see. Bitter juror that doesn’t actually gaf about how the winner played the game, but more about how she can get more hype for herself.
This jury would never respect a game where a player states they only won the comps they had to win or a player that states they played a social game over a comp win game.
Betty is in d/r.
The house was laughing about the arguments that happened simultaneously during the triple. Summer was in EVERY room cussing her head off at people it almost sounded like. lmao. It’s been pretty boring in terms of storyline. My d/r gremlin sense is going off HUGE.
fifteen minutes later: Betty has left d/r.
She is now telling Josh Kevin is the evil genius of the season, has deals with everyone.
She tells Josh that Kevin pushed for Josh to leave.
Betty says if the veto is used, Kevin is going on the block.
Josh, who kissed Kevin’s name on the veto wheel yesterday, Is in utter disbelief.
Betty is still against taking Hal’s block virgin card in her talk with Josh. At the same time Betty pushes that Haleena is a gullible idiot buying whatever Kevin sells.
She is pushing that Kevin wanted Josh to leave this week. Kevin exposed part 2: the D/Rgremlin cut. Josh: Marty wasn’t the head of the snake, Kevin was…
(Reality check, they didn’t actually push for Marty to nom Josh and Betty, they tried to shift him throughout the week with veto and renom selections to keep Josh and Betty because they were better for the Ghost’s games, even thought they had discussed cutting Josh in the triple when he was still liked by everyone).
Challenge: does Josh keep his mouth shut, or does he talk to either Hal or EVEN Kevin?
Josh usually keeps his mouth shut… except with Kevin. Hmmm. Hal and Kevin can read Josh at this point. They are going to know something is off.
Why this is feeling a wee bit… off.
Betty is saying she got this gut feeling about Kevin during Wendy’s.
Betty told Kevin Jace’s whole pitch HOURS after Wendy’s. If she wasn’t trusting him, she wouldn’t have repeated EVERYTHING. There would be no need. She was all in on the final three deal until about 25 minutes ago.
It all clicked in over night in bed? Nope, she was still saying not bad if Josh or Jace leaves earlier today alone in her cam talk. This was definitely a product of her d/r visit. This is definite D/Rgremlining.
So If anyone but Kevin wins veto Kevin is the current renom.
NOTES:
House perception that Haleena is a gullible weak willed moron servant / assistant is what is saving her at the moment. Betty is not capable of thinking of Haleena as intelligent at all.
Meanwhile, Kevin got greedy in his talk with Betty. Haleena told him to get close, but not too close, and to agree with her targets not push because Josh and Betty WOULD reconcile and he’d be screwed. He didn’t listen well enough and got cocky.
BTW…. BBCAN TWITTER SAYS FEEDS ARE DOWN FOR THE NIGHT AND RETURN TOMORROW.
AND FEEDS RETURNED AFTER THE FEEDS ANNOUNCEMENT. WTF BBTWITTER?
I’m guessing preemptive, because when they go down for veto it won’t return until tomorrow.
Kevin on the block and evicted is good but JACE on the block and evicted is chef’s kiss
Betty and Josh agree.
What this entire d/r gremlining does is break the Dummies.
Hal is now upgraded from idiot to sidekick.
Josh says he never had a final 2 with Kevin. Ya, they did. He’s had so many final 2’s that he’s used to telling that lie.
They still want Jace to go if she is on the block, but their eyes are open on Kevin now.
Josh says he can’t even look at Kevin anymore. (oh that’s not going to be too obvious, is it?)
DON’T TOTALLY BUY JOSH’S ACT HERE: HE HASN”T REVEALED THE DUMMIES ALLIANCE AND HE’S BEEN PUSHING TALK BACK TO JACE LEAVING.
He’s just making sure if Jace wins veto he’s staying, but otherwise it’s back to the covered on all sides Josh game.
What we don’t know: What has Kevin revealed to Josh in the hour they were talking while feeds were down. Ya, that happened this afternoon.
I’m betting Kevin will be called to d/r now to be asked how he feels now that Betty and Josh have reconciled. Is he scared he’ll be the renom, or Betty will have loose lips?
Kevin will leave d/r thinking he has to win Veto.
Meanwhile, they’ll call Haleena to d/r to ask her how her day is going. one d/r an episode Haleena will be thrilled to just get a d/r call.
Okay, I’m guessing the return of the feeds down overnight message means they will indeed be doing a one at a time individual time comp like season 9 midgame when they would take an hour and a half each to do their run, and the comp win order went from winner being first to compete at 8pm to biggest loser competing starting at 130am.
Just MY guess.
If you missed it: This afternoon on feeds Betty will still talking about how Jace had to be evicted this week. She reconciled with Josh and kept talking about Jace being the target.
Nobody was on to Kevin’s game. In fact, he made a new final 3 with Betty and she spilled Jace’s whole campaign to him.
THEN SHE WENT TO D/R, came out, immediately called Josh to HOH and a fiction emerged that she was on to Kevin the whole time.
Believe what you want. THAT’S what actually happened. Production sabotaged Kevin for storyline. Just like Production convinced Marty to put Hermon on the block. Just like Marty never had a renom decided until after his d/r call in ANY of his HOH weeks.
Again, does it affect outcome? Not necessarily. It’s just one of those oh right it’s reality entertainment programming not an actual gameshow moments. SORRY to point it out to the true believers… BUT that’s exactly the order of events. As of 3pm she was saying Jace gotta go and trusting Kevin. As of 6 pm, RIGHT after her d/r call ended Kevin was exposed and saying she’d known for over 24 hours. WHEN HAS BETTY EVER KEPT THAT TO HERSELF WITHOUT CAMTALK THIS ENTIRE GAME?????? Exactly. Her cam talks tell the tale. And her camtalks were Jace out trust Kevin until that D/R call.
Don’t Yas Queen her intuitive prowess, high five the d/r gremlin flying monkey it that’s the result you wanted.
I was a little heated about the obvious production maneuver.
It’s not the first of the season. It was the most blatantly obvious one. Even more obvious than Marty’s calls to d/r before deciding a renom. Why? This was so blatant because it is an exact 180 in Betty’s game before and after a d/r call.
This is no different than the feeds down for 24 hours during a fan safety vote with Kevin safe with everyone and returning with the first Kevin exposed. This is storyline plot device.
I didn’t even need my tinfoil hat it was so blatant.
This is no different than season nine each of the times Keifer went to the d/r to walk out of the game, folllowed by hours of feed block, feeds returning, and all of the house guests miraculously changing their minds.
This is no different than Heads of Household being called to d/r in the middle of their one on one meetings after mentioning putting Paras on the block, returning a half hour later saying anyone but Paras on the block.
This is no different than the Sunday reveals of the Prettyboys, and the Monday morning d/r calls when everyone completely forgot about the existence of the Prettyboys.
This is no different that houseguests leaving the d/r in bbus season 18 saying they were told they can’t target Nicole Franzel.
This is no different than a million ofhter examples, but in the heat of the moment I got over-excited.
Every word I said is true, but I think I got a little hyper.
I should be used to it, because I’ve always been aware of the score when it comes to Reality Entertainment programming. I just hate when it’s so obvious and the man behind the curtain is waving at me saying ‘what are you gonna do about it.’
Production giveth (telling Marty who to renom) while giving Kevin the mastermind edit, and Production taketh (blowing up Kevin to Betty through directed questioning for mostly scripted d/r clips before veto is played for the Wednesday episode because they don’t generally do storyline d/r on Sundays).
Does this mean Kevin is the next juror or even that he will actually end up on the block?
no. this just provides Kevin with the chaos he didn’t create or anticipate himself and evens the table in terms of final 4.
ASIDE and away from the DR/GREMLINING and BACK to GAME STRATEGY:
Once you have identified a manipulator, that player no longer has power.
So, is it smarter to target Jace or Kevin this week?
Kevin is comp ability deficient.
Jace is still overall better in physical comps than Josh when it comes to clutch.
Jace is still better than Betty in mental comps and house history.
Those are the final three comps part one and two. You don’t want that to get past 5 when one of your pair can’t play in the final 4 HOH. This is just fact, not bias. If you are in a pair that wants to get to final 2, get rid of the strongest competitor at 5. This is BB101 that hardly EVER gets followed.
I still say Josh is more worried about Jace than Kevin, or he would have revealed the existence of the Dummies alliance. He’s still trying to figure out if Kevin had a bigger plan in pushing Josh as nominee (he was playing into Betty’s anger to bond and become her number 2 even though he pushed too hard, exactly what Hal warned him NOT to do).
I still say if Kevin wins veto there is a small chance he saves Josh, in order to flush out Haleena’s block virginity. I’m not sure of the vote there because hardly anyone follows BB101 advice, and Betty would get to take away Kevin’s manipulated every eviction card in theory. It’s a chance because he’s gotten cocky. (Until he and Hal read Josh, and know something is up).
Episode Edit Assessment:
What does BB season edit history tell us: one of the Honeybunch is in final 2, more likely Josh because he’s also the last Savage 7 member in the house (first week edit). But Jace could dark horse as the creator of Honey bunch in first episode. More likely Josh.
What else does edit tell us? Haleena should not get final 2. She gets an average of about 1.5 d/r an episode. Everyone else has an average of 2.75 or more. She wasn’t IN the storyline at all until week 4, and her edit plotline didn’t include any game play until week 6. I contend her role was fill in because Jess wanted to quit.
BIG JURY QUESTION THAT STUMPS MOST OF THE FINALISTS: Name a strategic game move you came up with and made for yourself that got you here.
History of final 5 eviction:
season 9: Beth (the showmance girl without a shield with least active connection in the house)*, Season 7: Mark (the least effective Prettyboy with least connections in the house), Season 6: Maddy (the least connected in the house)*, Season 5: Dillon (the least connected in the house)* Season 4: Joel (the least connected to existing pairs)+, Season 3: Pilar (the showmance girl without a shield with least game connections in the hosue)+, Season 2: Adel (the sole survivor of early alliances and the bigger threat)+, Season 1: Andrew (the bigger threat)+.
Side note: the target has won veto at f5 four times + early season trend. The HOH has won veto at f5 three times* recent season trend. Season 7 is of course the aberration, as it was the aberration in oh so many, many ways (not a lot of them good).
Feeds are back – Jace is in deep thought in bed & keeps taking those long deep breaths people do when they’re upset or annoyed. Haleena is first one up (side eye).
Of course I’m uber annoyed at the DR Gremlining so was hoping to learn that Kevin won POV just to screw over this shift of Betty to target Kevin.
Then we learn HALEENA WON THE POV!!!
I did believe Kevin would be safe regardless & also envisioned him setting up jury for Haleena to win if he was evicted b/c he could out the Ghosts/Dummies & how Josh threw all the comps but one which would’ve turned off players like Hermon/Moose/Gino/Marty.
Moving ahead — NOW we wait to see if Josh tells Kev what Betty said about targeting him & how she’s turned on Kevin.
OR will Josh get fearful since Hal will keep noms the same (I mean will Betty actually try to test her to take down Josh or Jace? — not likely Betty would be that dumb?
Also will Hal/Kev out to Josh that he was Betty’s target & she made a F3 deal with them that they went along with so not all 3 would land OTB but knew they had to win POV so the Dummies would go to F4.
Moving forward– Kevin & Haleena are discussing the option of keeping Jace b/c it would allow Josh to set up the jury on their games. But they recognize Jace would beat anyone & is strong in comps especially the dates.
IMHO unless TPTB pushes them to keep Jace they won’t b/c it’s worse for their games.
They are talking about Betty potentially winning F4 HOH but she can’t so it’s only the Dummies playing for F4 HOH — (sorry – but I’m pulling for one of the Ghosts to win it & ALSO for one of them to win POV).
I want to see a situation where the Dummies pull a Brigade-like reveal to Betty so she goes to the jury with that knowledge.
I’m hoping Haleena pulls her aside & gives her more details to help her own game because Betty will feel more shafted by Josh keeping this information from her especially after yesterday when Josh played her on the Kevin part of the equation.
If Haleena apologizes for not being more forthcoming about the Dummies/Ghosts Betty might understand especially if Haleena talks about how as the female in the trio she took heat for everything that Kev/Josh were also guilty of but the jury won’t judge them like how they’ll judge her. READ: Could Betty be Haleena’s jury advocate?
All I know is I got on board early this season with the Ghosts (more so than the Dummies) so I’m happy they’ll reach F4. Now I’ll cross my fingers they land in F2 b/c they’ve been one of favorite duos of BB ever. I’ve ranted quite a bit on how much Haleena’s game is underestimated & hopefully her winning this POV will help change part of that dynamic.
I’ve enjoyed Kevin’s mind but Hal’s read on the house is unparalleled & tbh if she hadn’t been with Kevin he never gets this far in the game b/c the intel she was able to provide saved his butt more often then he ever saved hers. I’m torn on who I’d prefer as the winner but might be slightly leaning to Hal (which may not be a popular choice).
Betty is talking in her HOH room – seemingly running through scenarios. B/c she’s whispering it’s hard to hear but she says we have to get these guys out at one point as she is working on what she will tell Haleena.
So will she push to keep Jace? (if she does that the Dummies will shift to keep Josh b/c that will ensure he boots Betty if he wins POV).
If she pushes too hard to keep Josh the Dummies may shift to taking him out (which they’ve already agreed would have to be in a blindside).
At this stage, Hal is leaning to boot Josh & Kev prefers to boot Jace. And it’s where we get the interesting dynamics of the Ghosts. Recalling when Haleena considered keeping Gino instead of Josh it was Kevin who laid out the pros & cons of the situation to get her to the G vote out.
The reality is Kevin did that b/c he knew Josh would be more loyal to him (and Hal in fairness) but what he didn’t know is Gino WOULD have gunned for HOH & targeted the Ghosts/Marty.
Keeping Jace is may be more dangerous for Haleena. If Jace was being real in her self musings yesterday that she would take Hal to F2 then NO it’s better to boot Josh who likely takes Kevin to F2 but things shift so much we can’t be sure if Jace wouldn’t take Betty over Hal. She’s also very keen to work with men so I just don’t know if I could trust what Jace says. If we base it solely on Jace’s action even after Betty said “females to the end” Jace spent the next 20 minutes trying to get Hal put OTB (not Kevin) so I’m not 100 sold she would take Hal to F2.
Side note: I’m dying to learn how Gino reacts when Marty/Summer walk through the door & he learns the votes came from Jace/Ghosts – that will show Gino that Hal/Kev were NOT all in on Marty b/c they could’ve saved him instead of Betty.
Will Gino finally clue in (or someone in the jury) that Hal/Kev are the true masters of the season? If they don’t boot Josh this week & Jace arrives she’ll be the one to deliver that Haleena won POV & it was Kev/Hal who voted her out.
If they do vote out Jace will Haleena (or Kev) try to give her a heads up prior to her leaving about the Ghosts/Dummies? She’s such a loose cannon I don’t know if they could trust her not to tell Betty (and again – would that be a bad thing? b/c then Betty might feel even more betrayed by Josh).
Hal can’t tell her it’s bc of what Betty wants & Kevin is on board b/c then she just looks like she’s playing Kevin’s game.
I’m thinking it’s more likely she tells her in the GBM about the Ghosts/Dummie’s alliances & explains that’s why she couldn’t keep her.
If they blindside Josh I’m thinking Haleena would be the greatest benefactor via Josh’s download to the jury b/c he’ll be relaying how Hal took ALL the heat for moves the three of them were doing & was the most instrumental to keeping the Dummies updated on what everyone was thinking – hasn’t ever touched the block & the one time she was the most in jeopardy of going OTB she won the POV.
Gino, Summer and Marty were all interviewed together. Therefore Gino already knows that at least Kevin and Josh are aligned. Marty revealed Haleena is in an alliance with Josh. They credited the boys, not the girl for being strategic in this. Shocking. Eyeroll.
as per the last interview i looked at, Gino’s least team Kevin. Marty is least team Hal. Sour grapes knowing the supposed Masters of the Game were played by the Hermon usage of ‘floaters.’ Marty is most hurt by the final 2(he had multiple) he thought would mean clear victory having other plans. Gino is most hurt by the male he considers a mastermind.
Marty’s list when you actually look at is what you’d expect: men top, women bottom, bruised ego last.
Gino’s list is expected as well: showmance and most like himself top, weak non comp winner middle bruised ego bottom.
Summer’s list? can she vote for herself from jury? Bitter and petty and pushing Betty.
Did you see Moose & Hermon ranking of the hamsters? Hermon gave Josh the lowest vote (for the betrayal – not a surprise) but ranked Summer 2nd highest (I think she was tied with a few) while Moose ranked her the highest. I mean WT actual F?
Kevin got high praise from both – Betty was super low (shocker) – Jace was I think ranked 3rd – both ranked Gino super high & they gave Hal a decent score too with Hermon praising her for not going OTB & winning a POV & Moose praising how logical she was & her positioning. As for Kev, they intimated he was running the house — the other hamsters will hopefully get to a place where they recognize BOTH Kev/Hal were running the house.
I can just imagine Marty calling out Hal for not honoring their deal. She could easily say you made a F2 with Summer (twice – & named it both times) made a F2 with Kevin, Gino, etc, etc, then told the entire house I was number 1 painting a target on my back by all the hamster who were mad at you. Was I working with you of course but I never took that deal seriously or else you would’ve been more protective of it not blasting it to the house.
Since we’ve seen GBM’s from Kevin for Gino & for Hermon we know he didn’t out the Dummies – Josh might’ve but it’s not on brand for him (keep everything secret) so I think Haleena has begun putting in the work on that end. I think she also told Moose some things before he left as did Kev.
Gino being furious with Kev is pretty hypocritical since he had deals with everyone in the house like EVERYONE – there was no stone unturned AND he intended on backstabbing Hal/Kev if he’d stayed and won triple HOH, but was threatening them for their vote — how does that make logical sense & how does he not see he’s judging Kev for taking identical actions?
Kevin/Hal didn’t have to win HOH to control what happened (& which pool of people to set up as targets). He knew Marty would be the target & he/Hal may also be pawned but always be safe ahead of Marty. Hal (and to a lesser extent Kevin) got Marty to shift to taking Hermon & Hal won POV to ensure Josh/Marty’s safety but if we read between the lines from Jace they actually weren’t ready to take a shot at Marty b/c Moose was an equally good choice for them.
The game really kicked into gear with the Tynesha vote out which doesn’t happen without the Ghosts (and specifically Hal). If Josh had better communication skills or could utilize Betty like the Ghosts used Marty they could’ve got out Josh instead of Jess in the double which was the only evictee that the Ghosts would’ve preferred someone else had left . But directly or indirectly every eviction since Tynesha (other than Jess) was controlled by Kev/Hal so I can’t wait to see how some of the hamsters process that fact once they return to their normal lives.
But yeah – it feels like Kev could beat out Hal if they got to F2. I like them both for different reasons & depending on what happens in the next five comps (F4 HOH/POV, Final HOH parts 1, 2, 3) could shift who might deserve it more
Something else SUPER FISHY was after Betty spent an entire b*tch session with Joss trashing Kevin – she said if Kevin owned his game she would vote for him (implying if he was beside Hal) — ummmmmmmmmm what happened to her saying “I want a woman to win?” Perhaps Kevin was right and it was more for the women in jury to vote for her if she got there.
Betty’s session.
Post ‘miraculous’ realization Kevin was playing her (y’know, the d/r gremlining) has her saying Haleena over Kevin again. If it lasts.
I think 90% of her woman winner applies to ‘as long as she’s the winner.’
Today is Orthodox Easter, which may explain why there was talk of an Easter Dinner this weekend not last weekend. Betty is Ethiopian Orthodox.
HALEENA WON VETO. Gee every time I actually write Haleena has no shot in a veto she wins veto. If you’re a Haleena supporter, I guess you want me to continue the trend. wink.
Kev and Hal know that Betty and Josh made up.
Considering that Betty thinks Hal is being snowed by Kevin the same way she and Josh were, she’ll likely tell Haleena the straight goods.
Josh for his part is keeping up the charade, but imo you can tell. His body language and little side insinuations double entendres.
The plan:
Kevin and Hal are going to take every minute available to come to a decision.
Hal wants Josh out more (means she is with 3 people that would take her to final 2, which she doesn’t fully know).
Kevin wants Jace out more (means that he is sitting with one person that would take him to final 2, but he doesn’t know that, he thinks it puts him with 3).
So, the difference is actually effect on Haleena: Does she think of her own game or the duo’s game. In every decision she goes with best bet for the duo. The problem: Kevin frames HIS best bet as what is best for the duo.
Hal is going to need to stand up to Kevin instead of deferring on the decision? Does she DO that? Schrodinger’s Cat veto Logic: This jury? Views the non use of veto as why not make a big move. Here’s the part of their logic they miss: They credit the HOH for the eviction, not the veto holder.
So, in not using the veto, the veto holder is actually empowering themselves by stopping a blindside renom this season. In each case where Hal has won veto, the renom options were less palatable than the existing noms.
Betty no longer believes a word Kevin says. Good job d/r. Basically, Kevin denying he has a final 2 with Haleena is about as true as Betty saying she doesn’t have a final 2 with Josh. The edit clearly stated Betty and Josh had a final 2…. back when Josh had so many final 2’s he was the season Tyler.
Josh is a fan of Nicole Franzel and Kyland. Gut reaction was to nope his ass just for that. I didn’t. It was CLOSE. Haleena was a fan of the Couch? whoa. Oh children, stop talking about who you like in the american edit… I’m getting peeved. At least neither of them is a feed watcher. Kevin however, is a feed watcher and liked Paul in 19. Yeah, the season I had to stop watching feeds 3 times for long periods.
Kevin thinks Betty doesn’t trust anyone. He thinks Betty is a bigger jury threat than Josh… um, she can’t be evicted Kevin so keep your eyes on the task at hand. Eyeroll. Did Kevin catch that she’s now deflecting him with his usual manipulation techniques?
Josh and Betty are finally starting to see that Haleena hasn’t been sitting there doing nothing. She already told Betty she didn’t know who the renom would be and was hedging her bets. Josh already knew this. They talk to each other like it’s brand new information they just discovered through their own mental process. They realize she’s been doing more behind the scenes than they originally thought (Josh knows this too, he’s been working with them and knows it wasn’t just Kevin… eyeroll). They agree Kevin has been doing more though (accurate, he did use the safety prize week 3 to unravel Marty’s grip on reality).
Josh and Betty think Haleena is the key to saving Josh because Kevin wants him out. It’s actually reverse right now. So close. eyeroll.
Josh thought he was close to winning the veto. Betty clocks him and says Hal did it in ten minutes, dude.
Betty says Hal already told her she’s not using veto. She also believes Hal knows Jace considers Hal a layup to win in final 2. Hal doesn’t KNOW that as far as I’m aware, but may suspect it.
Betty says Kevin lied to her saying he’d go to final 2 with her. Oddly enough in that moment, doing jury math, he might have actually considered it to be true?
Betty just lied to Josh? She said Kevin was pushing for a final 3 with Betty and Josh. He wasn’t that I heard… he said Betty and Haleena. Did she misunderstand, or is she purposefully lying? Hmmm. Kevin did say two weeks ago alone that a final three with Betty and Josh would be ideal. I didn’t hear that part today.
JOSH STILL HASN’T OUTED THE DUMMIES TO BETTY.
SUNDAY PART 2
Josh is asking Betty how to campaign to Josh’s alliance.
That tells you everything you need to know about the guy that has benefitted from others playing the game around him.
He still hasn’t revealed the alliance.
Neither understands why Hal would even consider keeping Jace when Jace was intimidating her last week. The jury is all of Jace’s friends.
Betty would take out Kevin at final 4. So would Josh he says…. hmmm. He will change his mind because of the hero v. villain final 2 thinking the jury respects the heroic game more.
Betty says Hal being the only Punjabi woman in bbcan history is something she respects.
Betty would consider voting for Hal over Kevin if they were final 2.
Josh would likely vote Kevin.
Betty will save Josh in a split vote (how does she think she’s getting a split vote?)
Josh thinks Kevin is on to him (Betty reassures Kevin isn’t…. Kevin knows Josh is lying about Betty and Josh still being at odds).
AN-eeone thinking, “See Josh has had his come to Jesus moment with Betty’: WHAT does JOSH do in the game? Perpetually tries to find the middle. He’s hedging so that he’s good with Dummies and good with Betty. He’ll follow the tide and won’t make waves. It’s not in his character. If he weren’t hedging the Dummies would be exposed. Still think this week would be SO much easier if Betty hadn’t blanket turned down working with Kevin and Haleena and Josh in week 5/6. She was fine with Kevin and Josh, but didn’t want to work with Haleena. There would be zero drama right now.
HOWEVER: Josh has completely personalized and is feeling petty. He no longer wants to be friends with Kevin after the game…. because he doesn’t like the lying Kevin has done (didn’t mind when Kevin told him he was being evil and lying his ass off to keep Josh in the game). Oh great, he’s back to his honest game role model that is only covered with blood spatter not actual blood schtick. I’ve stated previously that I like Josh, but I can’t stand that part of him. He’s just as deep in the mud as every other person there. NOBODY has a clean game. Nope, not even Betty, as sanctimonious about hypcritical honesty as she is, she’s lied, she just can’t tolerate someone lying TO her. A trait she shares with Josh.
Betty and Josh think they’ve been played since Tynesha was evicted. Yesterday they both admitted Tynesha did name Kevin and Hal as renoms. They’ve decided that Hal didn’t know who the renom was, so she wasn’t actually saving Josh. Josh was in on the veto decision. He’s always known the choice could have been Josh or Marty in Kev/Hal’s minds. He’s hedging. 100%, but he’s still in his feels about Kevin, without talking to Kevin.
Why do I say that? They’ve clocked that Kevin pushes whatever initial noms the HOH wants. They think he’s part of that decision process. That’s not pattern. Pattern is let the HOH make whatever noms they want, then work on them for the renom or a target shift. That’s how the con works. Consistently. So they’ve clocked the initial part and consider that the full con, they’ve missed the consideration of each week’s HOH as a long con, and drawn the reel in as the entire grift. Reality: This is because Betty wants her moral outrage, and isn’t willing to look at the whole picture. When she says they are only scratching the surface of Kevin and Haleena’s game, they are right, because they are only looking at the parts that fit the false moral indignation narrative. Don’t make me pull receipts on Betty. Those receipts exist.
Jace clocks Josh leaving the HOH. she knows he’s been in there a LONG time. She caught the celebrations last night. Jace HAS to know she’s in trouble and has to swing back to the Ghosts. She HAS to realize that, right?
At this point… Josh is the worst strategic player left in the house. Comes as no suprise, he’s depended on social charisma not strategy. His social charisma depends on authenticity. Can he pull that off with Kevin or Haleena now?
How is it that Kevin and Haleena have figured out Betty doesn’t trust them? I contend it’s because Betty looked everywhere BUT Kevin’s face when they talked this morning. Chances Hal uses veto? I give that a zero right now, but we haven’t had any d/r call for Hal that i’ve noticed. Which of Josh or Jace is evicted if that call never comes? I leave that to the D/R. SHUSH. After Kevin exposed by D/R, I’m hedging and saying the evictee will be whoever D/R pushes. Period. Question: How did the visual learner and self professed klutz win a veto blindfolded? If you aren’t side eyeing that fun factoid… Why aren’t you questioning that fun factoid?
Sunday 3 OPINION
If Josh’s talk with Haleena is ANY indication…
the boy is doomed.
He was so not convincing. An hour in HOH with Betty and he can’t really say anything other than he and Betty still aren’t 100 and he thinks she wants Jace gone? AN HOUR.
Try HARDER dude.
Haleena’s face? She clocked something. She read something off of that.
Betty and Haleena:
Betty blows smoke up Haleena’s ass as Haleena blows smoke up Betty’s ass.
Both are saying exactly what the other wants to hear.
It’s a chess game, and both SHOULD actually walk away thinking ‘she’s playing me, but i think i snowed her.’
The decision hasn’t been made yet by the Ghosts. It won’t be for days.
Betty wanting to tell Jace Monday? I don’t see that happening. Gut feeling. If Betty does go to Jace saying she’s going home, that’s the perfect time for the Ghosts to say to Jace “how bad do you want to stay since she clearly wants you gone?”
That’s stupid to do when you have a multiple comp winner on the block at 5… but tbh, it might be the better move for Haleena… but not Kevin.
The problem? Jace is fickle and has only stuck with Gino. Every other alliance was a transactional alliance with NO actual commitment.
When they joked yesterday that this season they just tossed 16 villains in the house together… they weren’t THAT far off. Alliance loyalty has been transactional and shifted every week (EXCEPT FOR THE GHOST DUO… and even then Kevin thought about dumping Hal for Josh or Betty a couple of weeks ago). Name another season where an HOH gets credit for evicting an ally 9 out of 11 times.
STILL SUNDAY.
Lost track of where i am
GHOSTS MEET.
As Veto reward, Haleena got a five minute strategy session with Kevin Martin. Marty just died, rolled over in his grave, and cursed in french.
She’s telling the house it was a 5 minute recorded message but it was videochat.
In their current math, it’s better to get rid of Josh.
Kevin has shifted gears and is pushing Josh now? Hmmm. suspicious.
Josh being off and Betty being suspicious is now altering Kevin’s feelings. He thinks Josh would champion his game to jury still?
Kevin is REALLY pushing this more than Haleena, and I’m finding that questionable.
As i said before, Keeping Jace benefits Haleena more than Kevin by far at the moment.
Their jury math is completely wrong. Just putting that out there.
What do they fail to recognize: feelings in the house expressed while they were still in the house are not necessarily the feeling of the jurors once they leave the house.
The HIVE mind isn’t complete. And yes, juries hive mind in recent seasons. We haven’t had a major split in deliberations since season 4. Just saying.
It’s SUNDAY. Sunday isn’t CANON. Any decision reached on a Sunday is not real until Monday.
What Haleena doesn’t realize, in Kevin’s jury math, Haleena is ALWAYS in jury. Or does she?
I’m going to say this definitively: In terms of strategic social game, the Ghosts deserve the win. HOWEVER: in terms of THIS jury, they lose unless they are the final 2.
Jace has yet to talk with the Ghosts, and Josh is mostly avoiding them. One of them has the veto… and therefore is GOING to be in final 4. Why would you NOT attempt to at least talk to the one that is GUARANTEED TO BE THERE IN FINAL 4???? If ever you were going to sell your soul in the game, it’s on the block at fnal 5.
Here is the only fly in the ointment:
Now that Hal knows the depths of shit talking Jace has done about Haleena, her game strategy has been ‘say my name gotta go.’ This is why the decision right now may not be the decision by Thursday. Expect Kevin to try razzle dazzle, and Haleena to push feelings and intuition.
SUNDAY PART 4ISH
At some point I think there were a couple of D/R’s for Kevin and Haleena.
After a 2 hour feed block,
Kevin is pulling out his tears again, he isn’t here for tv, he’s here to win.
Better win some comps dude, cus yeesh, there’s a couple of people with torches coming for the monster. Josh and Betty Living Room White Couch Chat.
Josh is tired of faking it with Kevin / Haleena. He’s faked it for a whole… 5 hours?
duuuude.
He actually denied being in an alliance with Kevin and Haleena to Betty. He talked about other alliances he was in.
Says he would have tried to evict Kevin and Marty in the triple had he known… he DID know. Come on. This poor victim schtick had BETTER be schtick at this point, because is this is redemptive storyline plot device I’m gonna plotz on his meshugganah head.
He’s known everything that has been done to benefit him in the game without him having to actually get his hands dirty. DEWD. shake my head.
Josh the victim is a Josh that is annoying AF.
Betty now believes Kevin is the reason she was nominated in week 2. NOPE. THAT one belongs to the 4 boys alpha alliance primarily KYLE deciding Betty was a good pawn that wouldn’t break Marty’s word to Steph and guarantee Jay went home. That was pre-Kevin when Kevin was still acting wild and crazy doesn’t know what’s going on stage. He had nothing to do with it.
Haleena knew, didn’t care because she thought she could make some points with Betty if she told Betty she was voting to save her.
Let’s remember, the Kevin and Marty bond wasn’t really game until week three. It was groundwork. Let’s also remember, Haleena had aleady laid groundwork week one to get close to Kyle and Marty. She started game talking with them as soon as day 3.
Betty to that point wasn’t playing Big Brother.
Josh to that point wanted to save Jay and had final 2 deals with half the house, and was in the two first known alliances (we have since learned there were more alliances at that time).
Josh tells Betty he wanted to work with Jay, Jess and Betty but not Jess. Actually, alone on cam he said his ideal at the start was Jay Jess and Marty until Marty targeted Jay because Jay tried to flip the vote saying we have to get all the white people out week one. THAT’S how Marty and Kevin first bonded.
IF Betty keeps pushing about the triple and how Summer became a target, she’s actually going to uncover that Josh’s timeline is WAY off. Right now Josh is shifting the reasoning to Hal revealing Summer’s final 2’s. But his other reasons say he’s been planning it longer than since Tuesday this week. Does Betty notice Josh’s timeline is fukakta? The slop passes and throwing comps while Betty and Josh were struggling reason shows this has been in his mind for at least 2 weeks. Betty is called to D/R. Jace / Haleena Interior Yard Blue Couch Chat
Jace and Hal are discussing their week one final 2 deal (started as a final 3 with Steph).
Jace is pushing how it could really happen. Hal says she herself would never have put Gino on the block, and she knows that Jace must have felt blindsided. Hal tells Jace to remember weeks ago Hall told her everyone was going to try to pin them against each other and crap talk each other, they just had to remember they were good with each other.(variation of everyone else has to go as long as it’s not us who cares speech).
They discuss the veto Haleena didn’t use. So much house talk of Marty and Josh being targets, and neither were best for Haleena at that time really and Gino said not using it is good. They discuss Josh having nine lives (considering she and Kevin have been moving heaven and earth to consistently save his ass…. she should be meowing this part). Jace is finally pushing for Hal to use the veto. Hal is pushing semantics and optics (she’s gotta be cluing that Kevin might be evicted if she used the veto i think???) Jace did a weird slip, she mentioned Josh as a factor in next week and quickly said Kevin to cover. She skipped Hal as a consideration to win HOH, and then added she said and you (she didn’t). She’s calling Betty and Josh the duo that has been running the house. They are running the house from the block??? Oh Jace. She’s putting her words in Betty’s mouth from the last conversation they had when Jace was throwing Hal under the bus huge. Kevin told Hal that Jace shit talks her a lot behind her back…. I’m thinking this is not going to be the veto is getting used talk without a realllllllly loooong D/R. Hal reveals that Betty says Jace is calling Hal the snake in the house and never trust Hal. Jace says Betty wants Hal to flip and keep Josh.
Haleena puts out the feeler that she could use veto, but she’d need to talk to Kevin and Betty to feel things out. Hal tells Jace she feels like Jace will stay veto use of no. Haleena is called to D/R again. ANYONE ELSE SHOCKED HALEENA GOT CALLED TO D/R MORE THAN ONCE TODAY? Did she have to ask directions to get there? Oh wait, looking above NOW i understand. Kevin
Kevin… he’s back and forthing throughout the house. Playing his wounded and emotionally drained Kevin schtick while observing every conversation.
Josh and Betty have been inseparable today, and each is trying to play off the ‘we’re not good yet’ card????? Um. mmkay. eyeroll. When Jace notices…. ur not slick. Long talk last night. Celebration post veto. Long talk today. Inseperable… gee they’re still mad???? riiiiiiiiight. PROBLEM: Jace has gone to both pairs and said the other pair has been behind the scenes running the season. I don’t think that’s a good move. Didn’t think it was a good move the first time she did it pre-veto. Think it’s a horrible move to make a second time pre-veto ceremony. I’m actually trying to be kind here and put that forward in interest of her own game. She’s been with Hal for quite a while. Hal is going to be asked about this… what if she dishes? FLIPSIDE PROBLEM: In order to stay, Josh has to put on the flirt with Kevin, and he’s not doing it. He pretty much has to sell Betty down the river while saying but he’s got to repair with her for next week. If Josh can’t do that, Kevin is going to KNOW he’s lost Josh, and cozy up to Jace.
I still doubt Veto gets used without a LOT of d/r time. Unless Kevin Martin’s message to Hal was why not send Kevin to jury to explain your game… he aked you to do that for him a few weeks ago. BUT… sending out Kevin is The Worst MOVE for Hal when the other options are Josh with Betty and fickle Jace.
Okay – not moving this again (AN— I’ll learn next time to start with most recent post lol)
The fact TPTB gave Betty all this information at what is essential F4 (for Kev/Betty/Hal b/c they won’t be OTB) is extremely shocking to me. They always interfere but at this late stage to so thoroughly try to sabotage the guy at the top shocked me. It would’ve been on par with BB US pulling in Frankie & Caleb to out Derrick/Cody were running the house, playing them & couldn’t be trusted (b/c it was at the same point in the game with them & Victoria remaining).
Then again, we also need to see this Kevin Martin chat– I’m wondering if he really did say some of the things Hal said he did b/c that also feels like it was too much game intel to share (although Hal is super intelligent so she could’ve made up parts of it to get a read from Kev or to help her position something she wanted to sell him on).
I’m also thinking TPTB could easily turn around this coming week & tailor the HOH/POV for Kev/Hal to win so Betty/Josh have to turn on each other – and they get more drama for the episodes.
Either way, I wish they would’ve stayed out of it. Betty was dumb enough to put up Jace which was the one player she should’ve kept safe given what she knew – that proved how poor a game player she was. I won’t shed tears if Jace leaves though. She has been impressive in winning POV’s when she absolutely had to beating her showmance in one & Marty in the recent one – (kudos) I don’t like the mean girl or messy game she plays but I do think keeping her is better for Hal.
And I REALLY hope Hal has a talk with Josh to get to the bottom of a few things. I want her to straight up ask him if he would keep her (or Kev) if he’s the POV holder & Betty is an option. She’ll see through it if he lies.
And to your point in the above post regarding Betty having more than ample receipts I couldn’t agree more. I love Betty’s giggle & certain aspects of her but she’s been one of the meanest girls in the house, especially toward Haleena. As you note she’ll call out Hal for something when it’s convenient but when she needs her vote, or advice or someone to vent to she’s all good with Hal.
Hello – the week after Hal was the FIRST ONE to tell her she’d keep her safe & Summer was looking for Betty to jump through hoops she was ready to bury Hal b/c of a chance to work with the showmance. She was the one outing things to Jace that put Hal in a poor light then turning around & being besties with her once she learned about the secret POV. It’s typical BB hamster hypocrisy.
Josh is beloved & always well placed & as you note – NEVER a good strategist. I think this week really shook him b/c he borders on arrogance quite often. Hal has been getting her hands dirty since the early stages of the game & bears the scars from the others judging her for playing her own game while the triple was the first time Josh had to act.
No one held his arm behind his back he CHOSE to work with the Dummies & I get it he had to pick a side but its sort of similar to the Gino gummy situation in that G is blaming Kev/Hal for getting evicted when HE had the choice to NOT do it (and if they kept him he was targeting them if he won). Josh I think is being petty only partially b/c of what Betty told him – the other part is how he handled that moment.
He knew he had to win – they’d discussed what needed to happen for weeks – but how does an intelligent guy not automatically say to Kev – let’s pull in Hal & Betty & talk it through to make it seem like this is a group decision. We tell her it’s better if she goes up to make it look like her/I aren’t that tight but also so she can keep Summer’s jury vote.
I mean come on the guy is a doctor – I came up with that pitch in my head in under a minute & I’m a damn sports writer.
As for the “I won’t be his friend” pettiness – he also was like that for a day with Betty afterward refusing to talk to her for a full day after blindsiding her – as if it was her fault he handled the situation poorly.
So – yeah he’s being petty but I’m not fully buying he’s out on Kevin or that he would evict him given the chance.
And while he’s in with Betty trashing Kevin & they are discussing ALL THE THINGS THE DR OUTED to Betty about Kev/Hal the funniest part of the equation is Betty is still going to learn he was part of the Dummies.
Which could mean a couple different things
he is just doing this to get through the week & reposition
he plans on throwing HOH/POV to Kev/Hal next week so they are the ones to cut Betty
he plans on winning the Final HOH & taking her to F2 where he outs the Dummies in his speech where upon Betty’s jaw hits the floor & she looks like the goat he dragged to F2 so he could win.
Or the option you offer which is him/Kev in F2 with the jury house deciding (& him believing he beats Kevin).
On the last point — based on what Hermon/Moose have said & how Summer felt leaving the house I think they might come around to respecting Kevin for straight up saying he was going to play that way to their faces.
And of course, most of that ^^^ could be moot anyway b/c Josh first has to get through this week — then again stay next week b/c if Hal or Kev choose they might opt for Betty instead. And even if he makes it through the next two evictions to reach F3 doesn’t he have to win that final HOH to get to a F2 chair? Kev takes Hal who likewise takes him. If he’s there with Hal/Betty I think the ladies still take each other & if he’s there with Kev/Betty I’m not sure Kev would take him over Betty (that’s the only fully uncertain choice for me).
Kevin’s emotional state. Opinion:
Why has Kevin been down and crying? He’s realized that he doesn’t have control right now.
Chaos is great when you are the one creating the chaos.
OPTIONS:
He’s considered himself to beat Haleena in the final 2 if they got there. Now she’s won a second comp still hasn’t hit the block. Her story is getting better and his hasn’t changed. I think he’s realizing for him to have ANY chance she’s gotta go.
He is realizing that Betty and Josh are back together, but thinks he can mist Josh to cut Betty at final four… or at least keep himself safe to f3 (sorry Hal that means you leave).
He is realizing that Josh is better for him, but Jace is better for Hal. They’ve actually admitted it to one another.
Five people in the house gets boring with no chaos to create and nobody to play with.
His ability to snow Jace is less effective than Hal’s ability to bitchfest with Jace.
He’s been to D/R and he’s been a pouty shit ever since.
At the moment he’s guilted Hal into keeping Josh now (he was the one pushing to evict Josh earlier). Hal’s only negative about Jace is she’d rather any of the others get finals prize money than Jace.
Oh wait… now he thinks Josh has come clean and spilled the Dummies to Betty, and sworn final 2 to her…. he’s back to wanting Josh out.
Kevin’s going to Jozea this shit to death. He’s chaos effecting… himself. It’s still Sunday. Eviction isn’t until Thursday. This is going to be a lot of these two going back and forth.
They got an early goodnight. I’m done for the day. I don’t care. LOL.
This is going to be days of Kevin overthinking and overstrategizing because HE HAS NO CONTROL. If he knew HOW CLOSE he was to the block and eviction, he’d be kissing Haleena’s feet instead of internally planning her funeral. HE IS. Shush.
Can’t sleep yet.
Looked at end of night after goodnight call.
Josh talks to Haleena in red bedroom.
Hal tells Josh she’s cool with the four of them, she’s cool with the three. She says Josh is closer to Betty and Kevin, Betty is closer to Josh and Kevin, and she’s good with all three but they are better with each other she is starting to think which makes her the bottom o the four. She tells Josh she wants to save herself and get herself further in the game, but if she is going to be evicted by Josh she gets it , but please just tell her, don’t blindside her to save her the embarrassment. It’s a game and she knows it’s game.
Josh says he’s shown he can make the tough decisions, and he’s good. Josh is saying he’s down with the three (well… A three i think, but not necessarily THE three anymore).
She says from a personal standpoint Josh knows she’s been pushing for Betty and Josh to get their friendship back on track, they’re besties. That wasn’t game. But if the result becomes game, just be up front about it.
Josh tells Hal that she is NOT the bottom to him. He doesn’t say who is (at present, Kevin). He isn’t so much faking with Hal (he’s always been a little en garde with her), but he is slightly more wall up than usual. Better than his conversation this afternoon. That was a pitiful performance. Still, Hal has to be reading the difference. Of course she’s also got to be thinking Kevin is wrong about his control over Josh. Does she tell Kevin? Or does she take Josh at his word and Assume Betty is the bottom as Kevin contends (personally i REALLY doubt that Hal assumes with Josh. She hasn’t before).
Hal tells Josh Jace’s campaign to use veto. She doesn’t leave a lot out really, but she emphasizes the parts of the campaign that were sketchy as if it was Jace talking down to Haleena as a weak willed milquetoast afraid to make a move and have people pissed at her. They both laugh because they’ve already talked about how every week someone has been pissed at Haleena the snake and at the same time saying she does nothing in the game. Hal dropped a bit of her mask with Josh during that part of the conversation. Her voice changed. If anyone else noticed that… what was that? Her voice got less tentative and breathy and slightly deeper and deadpan at the end of that part of the exchange. It was only for about ten seconds, and I wasn’t looking at the screen so i actually had to ask myself who said THAT?
I concluded a while ago that Haleena’s intuition, reads and ability to understand social cues and dynamics has been the secret key to Kevin’s success. When he utilizes her takes on social dynamics, they prosper. When he goes rogue, he ends up going too far. His current cocky attitude regarding his control of Josh and Betty is all the evidence i’m pointing at to make my case conclusively. She cautioned him not to push get close but not too close, not to name targets, and not say anything that would screw him up once Betty and Josh reconciled. Kevin didn’t listen. What was the ONE thing Josh didn’t get past? Kevin telling Betty they should evict Josh (going back I think Betty suggested and Kevin added, but Betty isn’t going to say THAT). Meanwhile Haleena has been trying to help Betty and Josh repair their friendship because both Betty and Josh reason with a high emotional context. You know, just in case (even though she’s said she should stop helping them repair, it’s bad game).
I think Kevin has his work cut out for him in the next few days, but I don’t think he realizes it fully because every time Hal has questioned his grasp over Betty and Josh, he’s said he’s sure he has them, or will have them again easily.
BBCAN HINTERLAND WHOS WHO FUN FACTOID
In BBcan, the winner of final four HOH has gone on to be a finalist in all seasons Except Season 5. (Jillian, sabrina *finalist non winner, Sarah, Nick/Phil, demetries (*only non finalist break in pattern), Paras, Dane, Tychon).
The winner of BBcan has been the final four HOH SIX TIMES out of 8.
Since hiatus return after season 5… every final four HOH was also the final HOH of the season… and the Winner.
AN- we are ABSOLUTELY on the same page here. For as much as I enjoyed Kevin’s antics, chaos & strategy – what I enjoyed the most was when Hal/Kev were sussing things out together.
I’ve been on the Haleena train longer than most citing her as the better overall player and noting how it’s a shame she won’t likely get the credit. She’s BY FAR better than Josh. He’s great socially — while everyone loved Summer – Josh was her male counterpart in many ways but the Dummies gave him something fun to do & be involved in. He was the greatest benefactor of the CTD — UNTIL the triple which might’ve been worth his inclusion just to get the Ghosts to F5.
So a couple of things I’d add…
I’m NOT convinced Betty would take Josh to F2 if she had the choice & if Kevin got cut at F4 I’m also not convinced Josh would absolutely take Betty b/c he knows Summer will be her jury advocate selling to Hermon & Moose to go with Betty over Josh.
That’s not even a stretch based on the jury clips we’ve seen (they aren’t Josh fans). Consider if Haleena is his option she can manipulate him with how Marty said he would vote for Josh (male bias) unless he’s beside Betty b/c he views her as a mastermind that he could never get out of the house. Plus she shafted Gino, Marty & Jace and wasn’t close to Summer, Hermon, or Moose, or in their alliances.
While it seemed like the logical priority was Jace for Hal and Josh for Kevin especially since Josh has always been more forthcoming/closer to Kev this past week could have shifted things. There are scenarios that its short-lived pettiness from Josh toward Kevin, or it might be real & Josh wants to be the one to take out Kev, or he could be venting with Betty (one of that pair’s favorite past times has always been to sh*t talk the others in the house) but he’s really still all-in with the Dummies.
And even in the latter scenario, Josh could let one of the Dummies cut Betty (to have her in the jury to vote for him) and then win and pick Hal over Kev as his payback.
There’s also a scenario where Haleena wins F4 HOH & tells Josh how Betty initially was pitching F3 with Hal/Kev & her target was Josh plus pitched Jace/her a F3 as well. That might get Josh thinking – WAIT you’re all righteous about me choosing Kevin (Hal) over you by putting you OTB but you were doing the same thing to me (and worse actively targeting me?).
It’s a long shot but possible – & I still think something from the bitter Betty portion of this HOH & her gossipy attacks comes out at some point. The counterpoint to this is TPTB wants to propel Betty forward b/c she’s one of the most loved hamsters this season, especially her mean girl routine & outright unwarranted rudeness, particularly toward Haleena haven’t been seen by those casual (TV only) fans.
I’m also trying to grapple with how TPTB would sink Kevin’s game at F5 (and really F4) just for ratings. It’s pretty dark they would take away any shot for him to win $100k after the game he’s played & you have to believe he’s been a production dream b/c of his willingness to do anything they want/need so shafting him at this stage truly feels worse than any backstab the people he’s playing the game with could do to him.
Anyway- we’ll see. I’d still like to see the Ghosts reach F3 at worst so one makes F2 & my preference would be Haleena b/c I’m leaning in her direction as having played the better overall game. She was so often the glue for the Ghosts & Dummies and her intel was frequently what drove their choices. I keep thinking back to Gino’s first HOH when she went in and dumped a sh*t load of game intel to G. At that time G was still considering the Hermon/Moose/Josh scenario & much of what Hal dropped pushed G back toward the Marty side, got him on board to cut T and wanting to target Moose.
Finally, you noted the voice change of Hal. I’ve had this thought for a while now —it began b/c of a Kev/Hal discussion where he kept saying “I couldn’t do it – & I don’t know how you’ve been able to maintain it this long.”. Kev was referencing him playing dumb like he didn’t know the game but the inference was Hal was playing down her intelligence, her awkwardness, etc. Hal was saying “it is part of my personality but not a full part, & I’ve been doing it so much I wonder if it’ll take me a while to transition back. The inference was she is truly playing a character – via her actions, voice intonation, rapid speech, etc.
I might be way off but it’s part of why I want her to reach F2 b/c I have this vision of her speech being when she drops all pretense & speaks eloquently, methodically without that rapid pace, and even in a lower toned voice. And the jury member’s jaws drop.
If we think of her innate ability to read a room, see-through when people are lying, her ability to manipulate people to take the direction she prefers (for example no way Hermon goes up or Kev stays off the block during Marty’s HOH’s w/o Hal convincing him IMHO).
Anyway – we’ll see but for as much as I’ve enjoyed Kev I’d prefer to see Hal win beside any of Kev, Josh or Betty. And how cool would it be if that ^^^ theory proves correct with her hiding a major portion of herself all year so people weren’t threatened by her?
Haleena didn’t use POV & as feeds come back Kevin IMMEDIATELY takes Jace upstairs to chat ON THE BENCHES SITTING OUT IN THE OPEN. They’re just talking in general with some game & just as Jace begins to get into a bit of a pitch Josh shows up. Huh – I guess he was able to extract his head out of Betty’s behind especially once he saw Kev/Jace talking which of course was Kevin’s strategy for sitting there.
Ohhhhhhhh could Josh be ready to bury the petty side & make up with Kevin now that he realizes Jace won’t go down w/o a fight? To that end, Hal told Josh this morning how Jace wanted her to use the POV on her to make amends & they would vote out Josh.
Kevin had to have caught on to some of the Josh/Betty signs & him pulling away … this morning Kev made Jace/Josh breakfast & later Josh/Betty/Kevin were sitting at the kitchen table. Josh was OVERTLY acting, shooting dirty looks at Kevin the entire time b/c he was facing Betty & Kev was mostly looking in her direction (but I think Kev caught on).
Afterward, Kev/Josh went to the “?” bedroom, and Josh did a 180 “almost” interacting more closely to his normal way (but still being a bit standoffish — his tendency is to be petty when annoyed)
Again— I think Kev is catching on – but by the same token I think TPTB are dictating all of this & expects the Ghosts to jump through hoops they drop via their DR questions or intel dumps leading to 500 twists & turns before Thursday.
As Another Name notes – keeping Jace is akin to playing the lottery. She’ll kowtow to whoever wins the POV.
What I do believe is she would cut Betty after this week before the Ghosts b/c she put her on the block & will work HARD to get Jace evicted which means she has no intention of ever taking her F2 whereas Jace will buy Hal takes her over Kev if for no other reason than arrogance.
Josh is going to have to do some work & I’m not sure how clear that is to him yet – but the DR will force him to catch on (or well-planted comments from Hal/Kev on Jace’s pitches).
At a minimum he’s going to have to answer questions from Hal – telling him she’s heard he has (or people believe they have) F2’s with him to the point she’s heard he has them with everyone remaining except her & while she gets how things get spread/misinterpreted she would like to confirm Josh would keep her over Betty if he wins POV at F4.
With Kev it just seems logical the DR takes away & also gives so at some point they’ll be dropping some bombs to help fix the Kevin sabotage campaign they dropped on Betty. It could be directly at Josh (or Betty) but it feels inevitable there will be something coming that is the yin to the sabotage yang.
My gut says at some point they’ll be something dropped that leads to questioning if Betty is making sh*t up to get her own revenge on Josh/Kev for what happened at the triple and lead to either Josh wholly re-committing to the Dummies or being evicted bc of her actions.
Conversely, if Josh eventually gets around to downloading what Betty is saying about Kevin & Hal/Kev in an effort to ensure his safety look for the Ghosts to stick that in a glass case with a break in case of emergency — read: Betty wins POV (so they out Josh told them what she said as well as the existence of the Dummies alliance to show her he played her again and redirect the target at Josh. (just a guess)
I’m not one to buy jury clips.
They are sitting with their handlers being fed situational comments, JUST like d/r.
So, I don’t buy the jury deliberations/ ratings as their actual opinion, but something that makes it seem like the decision isn’t made and the board is open.
Never has that been more evident that giving Summer a 5 out of 5 in the Moose/Hermon ratings. No effing way in Hell are two Compscompscomps cult guys giving Summer a perfect game score, but cutting Betty and Haleena down to 2-3.5 range if they aren’t just giving the audience what they want to hear. Let’s remember Hermon’s stance on Summer for two weeks before he needed her vote: she does less for my game than Haleena, because at least Haleena tries.
I really think the purpose of the d/r gremlining was actually to even the board a little. I dislike it, but came around to what they were doing. Let’s admit, feeds were pretty boring for a while with Josh residing in the formerly known as expedia Josh room, Betty holed up in HOH, Jace sitting vigil on Gino’s bed…. throw in a d/r grenade before veto and watch the feeders salivate.
I think I’m more skeptical of Kevin and of Josh than you are. Sure, Kevin’s come to the only wins against Haleena place for now… but. That will change. Today is the FIRST time he didn’t vote count with Haleena as one of his winning votes.
And Josh? His heroic role model schtick is still a pet peeve.
Haleena? She doesn’t win with that jury. She’d have to win final 4 HOH, AND final 4 veto, and final 3 HOH, and still the jury would be saying yeah but what did you do for the other 60 days.
Meanwhile they’d look at Josh, and say wow buddy you came in second place in comps for most of the game, good show (you were one of us kool kidz not a floater read geek) even if he doesn’t win a comp for the rest of the game and makes it to final 2.
Kevin? They’ll talk about mastermind because he didn’t hide that he was a schemer. Betty? oh she is a survivor, and managed to save herself from eviction so much (she did NO such thing, the Ghosts preferred the other nominee for eviction). She went on to win comps (she’s tied with Haleena for comp wins but gets more credit because of hive menality since week one that Haleena is useless).
And Jace? Let’s say she stays. Gino is pushing the virtues of Jace to the boys. Summer is pushing the greatness of Betty to the boys. Marty votes Jace over Betty a million times.
Jace’s game has been a mix of hide and seek (hide behind the meat sack) and numbers. Jace will always want to be in the majority so she doesn’t have to do as much (this is what’s funny about Jace telling Hal to use the veto to get game respect… Jace didn’t use that secret veto). I actually do think she’d take Hal to final 2 because she’s well aware of who the jury are and what the jury think of her.
Feeds have been down for more than 3 hours. snore.
Gee, maybe the d/r decided to play the creation of the dummies clip from the episode just for Betty’s benefit. I kid. Not so much.
MONDAY VETO CEREMONY Haleena did not use veto.
Post ceremony:
looks like Kevin and Haleena are back to evicting Jace.
Kevin says he’s sure this time, so they should lock in with Josh to show no hesitation.
Keep in mind, Kevin was sure they had to keep Jace, and told Hal to smooth things with Jace, and then changed his mind right after she did.
Just saying.
Unless I missed a conversation:
For the first time in a long time, Haleena hasn’t revealed a conversation to Kevin.
That end of night talk with Josh.
She didn’t tell Kevin about it. She told Kevin that Josh wanted to have a conversation alone with her (after the veto ceremony), and said she wanted to hear Josh’s pitch because the two of them never have one on one game conversations. After the conversation is when Kevin and Haleena will tell Josh that they are of course keeping him, it was never a doubt….. well, or Kevin will flip flop again after Haleena has said that, to amplify just how wishy washy she is. That’s not his stated reason, he’s just chaos braining himself, but that’s the unintentional effect.
She revealed the Betty conversation in parts (Kevin is a much better player than any of us actually realized, he’s been gaming since the moment he entered the doors and he’s a genius or a teacher or something).
Last night when he talked to Jace, he said he was convinced everyone would take him to final 2. I have no idea why someone would SAY that.
Kevin floated the idea that it’s possible Josh could throw final 4 hoh.
We all laugh.
Josh would be much more likely to go for HOH and throw veto so that he doesn’t have to make any decision. A middle player? That’s the biggest declaration of the game even if by proxy.
Given Josh’s pathology: would he throw another comp? I’m not immediately saying no.
Kevin also thinks it’s possible Josh cuts him at 3 (but laughs it off).
Yes, we all know currently Josh would cut him at 4, Kevin doesn’t.
Given the factoids about final 4 as i laid them out yesterday: If they follow 6-9 pattern, Betty cannot win BBCan 10 because she isn’t eligible to play in final 4 HOH, and the Final 4 HOH winner has won the game each of the three full seasons.
Yeah – I’m wondering if Hal not telling Kevin “everything” anymore is a combination of things Betty/Jace/Josh have said to her but more so probably something Kevin Martin said to her.
The one thing that ‘might’ help Hal with jury is I’m pretty sure she is telling them in her GBM’s about the Dummies (not sure about the Ghosts). And if Betty gets cut at F4 she will have some game intel plus Josh has repeatedly told her how smart Hal is & how much more involved she was than people know.
IF – either Josh or Kev get cut at F4 – in either case I think they advocate for Hal over the other Dummie. I wouldn’t have thought that about Josh a week ago but do now even if him & Kev makeup fully.
I’m also not fully buying what Josh is saying to Betty about Kev. I think you were on the money it’s just his typical game play of running back to the middle & making sure he’s protected by all.
MONDAY EPISODE: CLEAN UP ON AISLE 5
preamble:
Houseguests saw relatives behind plexiglass with a five minute monitored phone chat…. so it was visting day at the BB Penitentiary?
Kevin told Jace a split vote would be fun, putting the pressure on Betty.
Jace not happy with that thought.
Jace talks to Haleena who backtracks on her vote promise saying she isn’t going to be the stand alone on a split vote going into final 4, so Jace has to work on Kevin.
That’s the poop.
Released advance clip is Jace trying to convince Josh to keep both Summer and Betty and get rid of Haleena. if you’re watching Jace’s campaign… you know why this becomes something to point at and say mmmkay. RECAP... it’s gonna be HALF recap, isn’t it? RED GUMMY AFFAIR. Kevin is a sneaky sneak edit. Triple story… house saving betty.
Shred that letter comp with Ika preview
Kevin is getting the d/r recap now too. Commercial break recap of Jace reaction to Ginoviction. ED. When you spend 50-odd days only fostering one friendship…. oops.
Marty is pissy in the bathroom.
Haleena more success for the Ghosts.
Jace is mad… at Marty.
Josh vs. Jace final question again. JOSH WINS HOH
Betty is screaming in celebration.
Now he’s making enemies. He knows Summer’s nom won’t be pretty. Commercial break recap two
Josh talks to Betty then Summer saying she is staying because everyone likes her.
Betty Summer bathroom talk. No clue why this happened.
Haleena talks to Josh. Reassurance talk.
Betty trusts Josh. Summer comes in. DURING Josh’s Campaigning to stay, she asked him if he’d nominate her. WAS HE GOING TO SAY YES TO PETTYPRINCESS WHILE HE”S ON THE BLOCK????????????? This was my thought at that moment in the Triple episode. Summer yells at Betty. NOWHERE NEAR what the retells say she did… teleporting from room to room to yell at people. Jace is picking at Haleena now. Kevin… oh Kevin you’re fine. Haleena ur vile. UH-Gain the retells are more vivid than the edit.
Jace wins veto Commercial Break Recap three
Jace promises her vote to Summer.
Josh walks into pantry saying Keep Betty to the Ghosts.
Betty enters, they celebrate.
Betty learns she’s goin on the block. He swears she’s staying. Josh is stress eating. Summer is playing all sides talk… Betty deer in headlights. Panic ensues.
Betty runs to the Ghosts. They promise to save Betty.
Betty runs to Jace who doesn’t know what the hell is going on she was sure Hal was going up and she’d send her out.
Jace isn’t committal. She wants to talk to Josh. Here’s the advance tv clip. why Betty? We’ll be final 4 against Kevin or Haleena.
Josh wants Summer gone more. Commercial Break Recap four
Summer and Betty talk to Kevin and Josh in Expedia.
Summer is hurt. She wants him to renom Hal or Kevin still.
Summer leaves. Betty doesn’t get it. Betty stays. Commercial Break Recap five
Betty with the Ghosts. ARE YOU THREE TOGETHER?
Kevin d/r she’s not dumb she has to realize, but let’s see if denial works.
Hal says she was SURE she was going up. (actually true until Josh walked in saying Save Betty).
Hal d/r Josh thanks for saving us, but you may have screwed yourself.
Betty appreciates them saving her.
Josh thinks he’s Canada’s most Hated… well he’s still hated by those Summer stans FOR SURE fershuure. HOH SHRED THAT LETTER Ika with flashback to Season 2.
Ika Roasts the houseguests. not shown: Kevin and Haleena roasts.
q1: moose. jace wrong.
q2: jess: jace and kevin wrong. betty hal both 2 points.
q3: tynesha: everyone correct. betty hal both 3 points.
q4: steph: kevin haleena wrong. betty 4 points.
q5: kyle: haleena, betty, jace wrong. betty4 points, kev hal 3, jace 2 points.
q6 Hermon: Haleena wrong. Betty 5 points, Kev 4, hal and jace 3. BETTY WINS HOH
Betty d/r : Heart not strategic thinking, time to play strategically…. and her noms are based on heart.
Betty mad at Josh.
Jace d/r wants to create a relationship with Betty I in week 9………. derp).
Kevin gets permission to speak to anyone even Josh.
Josh gets in his feels and gets petty because Betty is being petty. AWARDS SHOW VOTING STARTS AFTER EPISODE... If you give 2 shits. I SERIOUSLY COULD NOT CARE LESS. I mean… I’d vote for karen throwing up by the hot tub in season 5 or even Liv tossing her cookies into the sink in the middle of an HOH comp in Season 6 before I’d watch a most romantic moment showmantic montage.
Who wants to see her HOH room. whatevs. Kevin to Wendy’s.
Are Kev and Josh working together??? Tychon’s advice: be selfish now.
Kevin is working with Josh he says, but he’d evict Josh, Jace is also a big target.
Betty isn’t trusting insulated Kevin d/r. in her pre veto Saturday pm clothes. sideye. mmhmmm. Cliffhanger for NOMS.
I looked at the season awards moments.
Over half of them are for past seasons with only 2 choices. AND most of those choices aren’t the most iconic choices they could have picked.
You can’t skip a question, so if you really don’t give a toss who had the best kiss in season 3 or 7…. you can’t skip it and have to pick. Where is the none of the above option???
As far as the ones for this season….
boilerplate and not incredibly exciting to be honest.
i cancelled before last option because while I want to see what they consider memorable or award worthy… i don’t actually care enough to truly participate.
What i can tell you? They are pushing the week 5 noms in head to head for an award more than once. Invisileena. Betty gets her moment. MY awards would have been: biggest nominations oops:
EVERY SINGLE HOH THAT NOMINATED AN ALLY… winner a red gummibear. who kissed hermon better? Summer or Steph… winner a clip of gino and hermon wrestling in their underwear because WHO GIVES A SHIT ABOUT SHOWMANCE CRAP. Biggest production manipulations moment?
a) Marty decides his renoms in a d/r call.
b)Betty’s d/r gremlining Kevin exposed. The season feedbuster:
a) Jess post veto ceremony outages b) Marty HOH outages c)early game Kyle refuses to heed production outages. d) Jay’s monkey noise 14 hour feed outage. The late to the game award:
a) Ghost reveal in week 4/5, made day 3 and called the Jess and Kevin final 2 in edit until week 4/5.
b) the True few / fuse alliance made week 2…. it still doesn’t exist in the edit in week 9 as part of the plotline that made evicting Tynesha to weaken Hermon make sense.
FACTOID:
Final four HOH is traditionally a trivia about past comps / hg’s comp. It’s not so much about days, as it is about who participated, and name of the comp type stuff. Multiple choice or name the comp or the houseguest that partiipated.
Final four veto is traditionally a physical comp, usually individually timed, that involves knowledge of events.
If I were a houseguest, I think I’d rather face Betty in that veto than Josh or Jace. But between Josh and Jace… I’d rather face Josh.
One reason: both are fast, both have more knowledge than Betty when it comes to events.
Here’s the thing: Jace is more clutch. Josh is MORE likely to cave than Jace. Especially if you don’t allow him to stress eat (no really the guy should be at least 40 lbs bigger by now he eats constantly under stress). If I want to win out for myself… Jace is more dangerous.
I’m still looking at the blindfolded veto and wondering how the visual learner klutz wiped the floor with the rest of them (according to Betty).
Anyone else look at Haleena’s shirt earlier today? That was an awful lot of cleavage. I’m not being judgy. I’m just a little shocked, I mean, that was Risha level cleavage (and yeah, i’m aware Risha didn’t bring a top for her bikini that season). She got a couple Canada is watchings for outfit malfunctions.
Me Bored and Jozeaing Scenarios:
Red door opens, and Season 8 Carol comes out talking about how she still needs to be voted out so she can get her stipend, she can’t quit.
Red door opens: It’s Season 1 Topaz there to give voting advice.
Red door opens: and it’s the 2 that didn’t get voted in from the secret room in season 2. They want to know if they can finally go home.
Red door opens and it’s Pilar, and she has no idea why she’s there or what she’s doing. Neither does anyone else. Benny Hill theme plays as they chase her around trying to get her to leave.
The red door opens, and each houseguest gets to send a one minute message to jury, but they can only say why the other three DON’T Deserve the vote.
The red door opens and it’s the Kyles. All of the Kyles. Season 2 Kyle and everyone scratches their head and says who?, Season 8 Kyle in a Hanibal Lecter mask, Season 9 Kyle holding up a picture of season 10 Kyle from his big brother witness relocation program destination… where he now goes by the name Bob.
Red door opens and it’s Kaela and Brittnee armed with baseball bats for this season’s houseguests whining about a total of what…8 days on slop when each of them spent over 35 days as havenots sleeping on the floor and eating slop.
The red door opens, and it’s a jobfair for Wendy’s.
The red door opens, and it’s Gino sitting on the toilet listening to the final four talk as the chosen jury spy. He doesn’t bother to close the door and tells them to keep talking.
The red door opens to a tsunami of red gummibears burying the final four up to their necks… first one to find the lone yellow gummibear wins every item on the shopper’s showcase wall.
I saw a question on social media. It’s a thinly veiled stan support question.
Which would be the better argument to Jury.
a) never being nominated
b) being nominated multiple times and surviving eviction.
My answer: depends on if you were never nominated due to your social prowess or just not being worth the effort. Also depends on if you survived multiple nominations because of your campaigning / game or because of someone else’s game designs.
I mean… the people answering B would then say… Sabrina should have beat Jon in final 2? Come on.. she survived the block 6 times after a Canada vote exposed her alliance and tanked her game so she should have won? By an answer b logic, I guess so. Or hey, let’s go to extremes… So Victoria would have beaten Sgt. Porkchop in bb16 if they’d been final 2? That’s what B says. Or let’s get more recent… So Breydon should have won over Tychon? Actually… I’m the only one likely but I often think Breydon should have won over Tychon.
Potential Juror Management:
Hal has spent a couple of hours with Jace, looking at clothes etc. It’s basic bitch time in the blue bedroom.
Tonight it looked to me like Hal was somewhat trying to expose SOME of her game to Jace in an attempt to jury manage. She revealed some of her early alliances (True few/fuse leaving out Betty and Josh as members, nothing about Dummies). Early unknown alliance Sundaes or cupcakes was Hal, Steph, Jace. Rugrats was Summer, Ty, Hal, Jess (never went anywhere), Chef’s Kiss Hal and Jess (it was real but ended early). Jace reveals that Kyle and Marty wanted to pull Haleena into an alliance called the Bargain Bin (with Jace, Gino, Kevin and maybe Jess). Hal reveals she felt like Marty and Summer were closer to Kevin than they were with her. Jace reveals that Marty will 100% vote male before female winner. Jace would almost prefer to be evicted this week so she at least gets jury house time (4th place is SOMEtimes sequestered except for the round table filming). Jace said Haleena always trying in comps and never throwing impressed GIno more than the throwers. Jace is thinking Betty/Kevin/Josh are a three and Betty and Josh would stab each other in the back to take Kevin to final 2 so Hal has to win fin4 HOH or she’s done. There’s nothing in this convo that’s weaponizing I don’t think. It was all on the premise that Kevin is bonding too close to Betty to turn around and Save Jace. This is Jace’s stance right now.
Kevin, Betty and Josh SHOULD be trying to do this. WHY isn’t Kevin doing this? Finessing a potential juror is BB101.
OTHERWISE THE HOUSE CHATS:
Josh thinks Betty gets to play in final 4 hoh. NOPE. If that’s a thing every other final 5 HOH is going to go OFF!
chatting and bonding. Kev/Josh/Betty. They rehash Jay. Rehash Marty. They talk about what would have happened if Betty had won the wall. They are downplaying Marty’s knowledge of days/events. He knew them SHUT UP, he KNEW THEM. Hal/Jace join. Chat nothing major. Lots of pre-bed chat.
Interior backyard:
Chat. Kevin at pool table studying to himself. Everyone else chatting. back to kitchen.
JOSH IS STILLLLL EATING. NO seriously, does he have a second stomach? More chat before bed call.
feed cut. Dummies pre sleep download:
Hal reveals the Jace chat to the Dummies so that Josh doesn’t get spooked. Josh says Dummies is the only alliance that matters now. Kevin is offended that Jace is acting defeated when he hasn’t even talked to her. Josh raises an eyebrow but it’s not a huge suspect nod The Dummeis discuss the need for them to win veto. Hal says she is winning HOH. Kevin disputes. Josh plays along.
Kevin leaves to go to bed. Hal and Josh bonding time before bed night 2. Josh still thinks the f5 HOH plays f4HOH comp… now he’s realized nope. He’s wrong about season 9 final 4 HOH comp being a crapshoot it was the Lotto room trivia comp i think. Tonight’s bonding time is shorter than last night’s bonding time. QUESTION: don’t they usually close one of the bedrooms by now? I was sure they closed one of the bedrooms at final 6 for a couple of seasons. Did I imagine? END MONDAY.
I’m sure you won’t be surprised but I also thought Breydon should have won over Tychon. He had a much harder path to reach F2 and was better overall social player. Plus I’m the negative Nancy on hamsters who are in copious alliances & protected late into seasons simply b/c they’re an alpha male (and/or b/c they’re the female in a showmance).
My big point was always penalty points: because of the team thing and wins by people other than himself in teams, he had three or four weeks of safety, Breydon didn’t. Means he could play for three weeks with 100% reward, 0% risk. In my jury tabulation, that would have been a huge strike.
IF…
If the d/r hadn’t exposed Kevin, and Betty had not told Josh, does anyone think middle loving Josh would have actually throwm final four so that he didn’t have to be the one to cut anyone?
Or would he have felt less compelled to try, thereby giving everyone else an edge?
Serious Question. WAFFLE WATCH:
nothing to report. Evicting Jace is still where they sit Tuesday am. Morning Goings On:
Apparently the fake final 3 Between Ghosts and Betty is called “Group 3”. They were all in the third group to enter the house and there’s 3 of them.
Kevin practices days.
Kevin talks about hoping he isn’t a dark nasty villain but a fun villain.
Haleena talks about sleeping poorly worrying about lots of game stuff.
Kevin worries that at some point Josh and Betty are going to compare final 3 deals.
He is convinced Betty is ready to cut Josh. (Hal was silent on that).
Betty joins to show them the hand sign she has come up with for their final 3. now it’s “First 3”
Hal tells Betty about Jace’s campiagn (Kevin has been called to d/r).
Hal tells Betty about the alliances she has been part of during the game (minus the dummies / ghost). she says the alliance with Jess is the only reason that stopped Jess from renomming Hal week 4.
Kevin rejoins. Betty is saying she wasn’t part of any alliances. Then mentions Siblings and Kevin brings up the Rebel Rejects. Hal is called to d/r.
Kevin begins his schpiel for Betty to be Business B about cutting Josh at 4 or 3.
Kevin is pushing the cut Josh narrative a little much for my taste given that it’s Betty. I think the or cut him at 3 part was also telling. He was buttering up their secret (fakish) final 2 by offering up that both Hal and Josh have to go? Kevin made too many drops in this convo for me (not that i’m counting jury votes, i can probably only win v. Haleena so it’s better to take me Jace has advocates in jury i 100% will evict Josh type stuff). So much that could be weaponized.
How Kevin comes to the conclusion that Betty and Josh, who are glued to each other about 9 hours a day, haven’t reconciled is beyond me.
Jace joins Kevin and Betty.
Jace and Betty talk about how it makes sense that Kev and Hal are looking to vote the same (not put pressure on Betty, not draw line in the sand with a split vote).
Tuesday
Kevin has told Josh and Haleena he may expose to Jace. The pairs dynamic at least.
I don’t think Josh liked it. Haleena said she didn’t care, but I think she cared a little.
Kevin has finally talked to Jace. Potential Juror Management:
Kevin tells her he can’t vote for her. She says it’s a mistake, Josh will win. Kevin inhales sharply and blows the biggest jet of smoke up her ass that he is capable of.
He tells her he loses unanimously to her in final 2. He says not only does she have all of the jurors as her friends, but she’s played an incredible game that he can’t match.
She can’t be mad if she’s so flattered.
Jace is telling Kevin she’d take him to final 2 because she thinks she’d lose to Haleena (okay, she’s butttering him up now). Haleena lied to her for the entire game. (ed. they lied to each other the entire game but i get why she only sees 1/2 the picture). and yes, because she’d beat Kevin final 2. SO Jace is going to be farting smoke for a day, and Kevin is going to be sliding from room to room coated in butter. Q: Do you actually believe it when Kevin tells people that he believes Jace is a master of emotional manipulation? If yes, can you explain it to me… I don’t get it.
Will Kevin waffle again?
Jace says the Betty and Josh fight might have been staged. They are for sure back to the way they were before and Betty is for sure counting on Josh to stay.
She isn’t persuasive as much as she is feeding into Kevin’s paranoia with what if scenarios.
In order to buy these scenarios, he has to believe that Haleena lies to him… but it’s Kevin so who knows.
He KNOWS over half the scenarios Jace is pulling never happened (he was there, Jace wasn’t). REALITY:
The speech Jace is feeding Kevin without any face crack is why she should be evicted. before a final two seat. She still has jury advocates, and she’d give a better speech than Josh. While I don’t buy her persuasion, others seem to. RESULT:
Kevin wants Jace to talk to Haleena again. He says he’s playing the game with no emotions.
Is he waffling again? scenarios fired up the waffle maker? FIRE UP THE WAFFLE MAKER.
Kevin now thinks he can’t beat Josh. Kevin gets called to the D/R.
Kevin thinks he loses to Haleena now, and Kevin thinks he can beat Jace.
Is he correct? No, he just likes the idea that everyone is saying final 2 to him.
No way Josh POSITIVELY advocates FOR Kevin if he’s voted out.
But again… mr. took hostage negotiation classes seems to miss the emotional effect. He also seems to think the juror’s minds stay in a vacuum from where their minds were in the game. Josh goes into jury advocating for Betty. THIS is what Kevin misses because he doesn’t account for emotional response. Josh puts the WORST spin on what Kevin and Hal did at this point.
The points Kevin misses:
How does he think Jace no longer has Gino advocating for her?
How does he think he beats Jace in comps getting to finals? Her placement in all mental comps except shred that letter has been equal or better than his, and she wipes the floor with him in physical.
I still don’t understand how Jace is able to effect Kevin the way she does. Is it ego stroking? Does having his paranoia validated while being told how wonderful he is come across as genuine to him? Good for Jace if it does.
It’s Tuesday. Waffles will continue. It’s Kevin. He’s going to chaos effect his brain at least 4 more times.
We’ve switched roles. Now Kevin is advocating for Jace, and Hal is advocating for Josh. Hal is telling Kevin her read from Betty’s reaction, which is the correct read. Kevin is again dismissing, just like the advice Hal gave regarding his interractions with Betty while she was fighting with Josh.
He’s taking everyone’s words at face value while he lies to them, and doesn’t think they could be lying to him. See the problem?
TBH, since Kevin exposed D/Rgremlin party, it IS actually better for Kevin to evict Josh. It’s the way he’s coming to his correct conclusion through faulty logic that i’m slightly sneering about.
POINT COUNTERPOINT:
Josh is having a difficult time being himself with Kevin. He’s actually pissed and petty about it. Josh is taking advice from about how to handle Kevin. Josh believes Kevin is turning on him. The advice isn’t the best (just being honest here).
Josh will not be advocating on behalf of Kevin if Kevin turns on him.
Josh trusts Hal more, but is still worried that Kevin is going to manipulate Haleena into voting him out.
Betty says she’s been avoiding Josh so that Kevin doesn’t get paranoid…. they’ve been attached at the hip for about 9 hours a day and THAT’S aversion?????? Meanwhile,
Kevin Hal and Jace have been having a q/a session campaign. Jace has lied a bunch of times, and been caught in at least one lie (the ceasfire with Betty / Josh didn’t exist then it did). Kevin leaves it to Haleena to badcop. Haleena isn’t badcop, but she is asking about how the three can trust each other, and Jace’s comp history compared to Josh. Jace is rolling every bus she’s ever been on over Betty. She says some jury members will be predisposed to vote Betty to win (she means the POC vote Betty no matter what, it’s an old Gino talking point from last week).
The object of making Haleena badcop is to make Jace want to take Kevin to final 2 over Haleena if they keep her. Incredibly obvious. It’s even how Jace is making fun of Haleena to her face describing her mental monologue. (THAT is the number one way to lose Haleena, she really does get in her feels about condescension).
This pitch is actually really condescending on Jace’s end. Kevin calls it the best pitch of the season. (He REALLY wants EV-ER-EEE-ONE to promise him FINAL 2 so that he is safe if he loses every comp…and right now Betty/Josh means he isn’t CLEAR number ONE. It’s not bad theoretically, it’s bad in terms of emotional jury management).
Checking body language: Jace was turned away from Hal and making the shared campaign centred on Kevin. She faced him 90% of the time, even when Hal was asking questions. Kevin ate it up like an attentionwhore… Haleena seemed to stiffen.
REALITY: See how this waffling is actually COSTING each of Kevin and Haleena jury votes? Waffle all you want. But don’t let the nominees suspect you are waffling. THAT’S the thing. Josh in jury has little sway given last week’s events. Jace will be able to hold court with Gino.
POST FEED CUT (theere’s been LOTS of feed cuts and d/r calls surrounding this Jace pitch, LOTS).
Kevin says keep Jace. at least until tomorrow morning. At least he admits.
Hal says head Jace, heart Josh. Loyalty would be a nice change of pace.
Kevin wants to keep Betty in the dark. Hal isn’t thinking that’s a good plan.
Kevin says the loyalty aspect in their villain game is he HAS to have the one person he never turns on (he thought of cutting Hal to final 2 with Jace or Betty earlier today). He tells her he needs to put herself first, and Jace is better for Her (the fact that he is advocating Jace is better for her should be telling her she isn’t anymore… given they both say Jace was straight up insulting Haleena during most of the pitch).
Kevin goes hard on evict Josh.
Haleena is somewhat pushback, somewhat emoting. (she’s partially knowing this is NOT the first time Kevin has gone all in on this decison and then changed his mind).
Keivn isn’t liking the heart thing. He’s: be cuttthroat (he’s channelling Christian Slater in Heather’s).
Kevin is even saying (pretty much) that he’d call Josh into the room and tell him he’s going home. He backtracks that a bit.
Josh saw Jace leaving the room with them. Josh has said a million times to Hal that if the vote changes don’t blindside him. Kevin now wants to blindside him.
Kevin leaves for bathroom.
Hal called to D/R.
Kevin and Haleena re-meet. he apologizes for changing his mind 5 times since Sunday, and being 100% each time until he changed his mind again, he’s realized this isn’t an easy decision.
In other words, he’s going to soft cell at her now, change his mind in the morning, and wash rinse repeat. Hal’s face says she’s getting tired of the teacup ride through Kevin’s internally inflicted Chaos effect.
Night three of Hal and Josh bonding time is going to be key if Josh wants to stay. It’s the only time the two of them chat for a few minutes without Kevin.
Josh reveals HONEYBUNCH to Betty. (this backstories to Betty why Summer always gave Gino a benefit of the doubt say 2 votes are better than one abou them, and Josh as well… if Betty is thinking she thinks she was a fool when it comes to Summer’s alliancing being everywhere) Betty thinks Kevin is the new Summer when it comes to making separate deals with everyone. *keep in mind, Josh had 7 or more final 2 deals. Kevin currently has four final 2 type things in final 5. Josh has 2 final 2 type things as he speaks. Betty has multiple final 2 talks this week, and has talked about 4 different final threes. Ummmm. Josh says his social game isn’t social game… it’s just his vibe. damn. the only thing i actually score him high on.. and he doesn’t take game credit for it. Yeesh.
Josh and Betty now like Haleena more than Kevin. And my head just leaked brain matter… I mean, Betty has knocked Hal as a human almost as much as Jace has. This is wildly absurd. Josh, who has lied by omission ten million times… is talking about how playing the game with liars is so morally disgusting. Remind me… did Josh mind the lying when it was saving his ass MULTIPLE times???? oh, right, nope. It’s that role model with a little blood spatter identity that I’ve actually decided I hate. I know hate is a strong word. I actually do hate that aspect of his personality. It lacks ownership to the extreme. When the sanctimony level between Josh and Betty gets to this level i usually switch a feed and go back later.
They are unpacking the season in the Betty friendly version. Ty and Summer were making deals without Josh, so his trust level dropped. the chain of safety ruined Hermon’s game??? the HELL it did. The ghost alliance ruined Hermon’s game. He was too intractable about comp winning and guys alliance, and would underestimate too many people even when he was working with them. They both like Hermon.
Jess was after Ty and Summer so that’s why Josh couldn’t work with Jess. Reality, Jess needed attention and devotion and was too far from the middle for Josh to actually work with. Imagine trying to play a middle game while hanging out with the house Boo Radley.
Kevin has been soft selling to Haleena while Betty and Josh survey history. She’s now on board with Kevin’s current plan to cut Josh. When he flips again… she’s probably going to throw up her hands. He will flip at least 2 more times.
Kevin is convinced Betty and Jace both take them (him) to final 3.
He realizes he may change his mind again. OOOKAY. At this point he’s just bored, and flip flopping to entertain himself. No really. If he’s aknowledging that ALL of this crap will likely change again… he’s just doing it for the boredom. THIS is what d/r wants, and undecided final 5 vote to keep people wondering will they / won’t they?
I’m going to sleep early, and will likely miss a chunk of the early day tomorrow.
Expect at least 2 changes in the boredom factory.
About to turn off feeds and crash because they weren’t going to talk to Betty until tomorrow.
KEVIN TALKS TO BETTY TONIGHT (FUKAKTA SPINHEAD CHAOS MONKEY COME ON..)
Kevin tells Betty he thinks getting rid of Josh is the way to go now.
He says he hasn’t talked to Haleena about this, but that Jace gave him a good pitch.
He says Josh cuts him and Haleena over Betty 100%.
Betty says Josh already nominated her once so she doubts that, and Kevin already sold Betty on Jace having jury advocacy for 2 weeks ala Gino.
Betty plays it off that in her head it’s irrelevant which one leaves.
Betty says she’d like to talk to Haleena about this too, since Hal wasn’t in on the decision as Kevin said.
JOSH JOINS BACK FROM D/R
game convo stops. Kevin discusses not liking the comp aspect liking the social dog eat dog.
Betty called to d/r
JOSH CALLLED TO D/R AGAIN (REALLY)
Betty rejoins from d/r
Haleena joins (oh, how convenient)
Basically you’ve got Kevin acting like Haleena knows nothing about this, and Betty is pushing back subtly on the idea of getting rid of Josh.
Kevin says Josh cuts Betty or Hal more likely than him. Betty counters with Jace wins comps and she’d cut ANYBODY. Kevin is threatened by Josh’s intelligence.
(Reminder, after the mom visit, Haleena has been more conscious of he be a good person talk she gives herself. She thinks keeping Josh is the good person move. She said it alone in a room a little bit ago, she’s also weighed the final 2 that Jace offered her).
Betty’s points about Jace’s wins in comps and unpredictability might have Kev and Hal re-waffle tomorrow. Pointing out that when Jace wins she wins by a lot… moreso.
Betty really needs to get Josh to work Haleena with the whole Jace wanted YOU gone in triple. Not you and Kevin, YOU. Also need to get him to push loyalty and goodness aspect. Gawd use that Sanctimonious Betty / Josh idetity i hate with Haleena if you want to stay Josh.
Kevin tells Betty he’s sorry for springing this on her. Betty says it’s good to think about all the options. Kevin says either going is a win for them.
Kevin doesn’t understand something: Business B isn’t all head no heart. Business B is Betty giving herself permission to be a bitch without feeling bad about it. If kevin could read people like Haleena, he’d have already figured this out.
For her part, Haleena seemed to be acting like this was brand new information. Alone with Betty, Kevin lies and says Jace hasn’t promised him any safety or any deals.
Business B tells Kevin that Josh choked in Redlight Greenlight and gave up, giving Marty the win. Kevin acts shocked (he sort of questioned Josh about that comp). She also tells Kevin that Jace 100% takes Hal to final 2 (easiest path). Some of this has hit. Or at least some of this will fester over night. But… since he believes nobody has the skill to lie to him, he still thinks his f2 with Betty and his f2 with Jace stand.
Meanwhile Jace is with Haleena discussing botox and genetically designing your children and laser eye color change.. grimace. They discussed Jace regretting being insulting to Hal in her pitch, she was just emotionally suprised to hear that Hal likes both Jace and Josh as people. So Haleena is back to trying to smooth Jace… and that means Kevin will pull another waffle tomorrow at some point.
Betty storage room with Hal:
what’s up with kevin being so jittery, off and sketchy for 2 days?
Haleena doesn’t get what’s going on. She admits her heart belongs to Josh staying but isn’t sure if that’s a brain move or just her emotions. Betty says Kevin thinks Josh wins the next 3 comps. Jace could too. Haleena agrees. Betty just wants to know the reasoning behind the decision because she’s good with the decision, but doesn’t just want it to be Kevin calling the shots (which along with boredom is exactly why Kevin is doing all this).
Haleena says if the decision is Jace, she is still team Betty. Betty questions if Kevin is still team Betty and Haleena or if he is now Team Jace.
Haleena goes to Kevin and gives him her read: Betty hates keeping Jace. Period.
Kevin thinks Betty not jumping on board and having counter arguments means that Josh has to go. He wants to send HALEENA to Betty to break the bad news tomorrow. NOT THEY. HER.
Betty is very upset. She’s decided Kevin is a monster.
Josh…. probably eating something. Meh, he’ll find out tomorrow. and will eat everything in the fridge instead of actually saying anything because he’s never had to REALLY fight to stay when 2 other people were pulling strings behind the scenes to keep him.
WHILE IT MAY SEEM LIKE I HAVE A PREFERENCE: I really really DON’T. Jace is putting in the work to stay and Josh is playing pattycake while on the block and Homer Simpsoning to himself now… Cake? drooling sound effect. Betty is working more for Josh than Josh is. Haleena is working more for Ghosts than herself. Kevin is working more for the cheque than anything or anyone. Too bad he’s going to be the BB18/19 Paul in a final 2 i think.
DO you think Betty is FINALLY cluing in to why SO MANY of the HOH Reigns were a clusterfuq? Because Kevin and Haleena rope a doped HOH after HOH remon? A thought.
Remember. It’s Tuesday. As soon as Kevin gets Hal to give the bad news to Betty, he’s GOING to spiral and waffle AGAIN.
Wednesday Thought:
Feeds down for over 2 hours now.
If they voted right now Kevin is 100% vote out Josh.
Hal is 50% vote out Josh (she’ll do it, but she’s not set).
Betty is not pleased.
Josh knows nothing.
Given the d/rgremlining and Betty exposing to Josh, it’s actually in Kevin’s best interest to get out Josh.
Given the same fact it’s actually better for Hal to keep Josh.
Hal is playing the game as best for Ghosts.
Kevin is playing the game as best for Kevin IS what’s best for Ghosts.
My laugh today: Kevin being convinced a competitive figure skater would cave under pressure. He’s just lying to himself. There’s no evidence in the game that Jace caves.
If anything, she has shown that when she is in the most danger, she wins.
So reality check: Kevin has decided he would rather have Jace winning comps to keep him safe and to use as a shield at 4. Kevin is using feminine showmance strategy. So in that event: Jace is now the Gino, and Kevin is now the Jace.
At least that’s what he’s hoping for.
My brain is fighting the edit. Ever since they changed the edit pattern, not answering the big 4 questions in week one’s edit, i’ve been having doubt.
I see what the edit is doing, but my head is fighting it. Mostly because it doesn’t fit the season 3-9 established pattern. They’ve changed the pattern. I am part happy, and part aggravated.
Back this evening. feeds are still down, and I have things to do.
Wed. 2 Quick recap
Feeds returned to the Hal and Betty convo.
Hal and Betty don’t know what Jace said to Kevin to make him flip so quick.
Hal is saying now that she’s had to consider… maybe Jace is the better choice to keep.
Betty gives points for why that’s not the case. Big point: Jace is one comp win from equalling Marty and the comps matter crowd will vote for her for that reason alone.
Betty informs Josh. Josh is convinced that Kevin is in Hal’s head and he has to change her mind. He thinks they are immoral people for how they played the game (UUUUH-gain he had zero problem with that when they were so immoral to his benefit). How ever did he keep his cape so clean of all that blood? Yes, he made the big public move of taking out Summer and putting Betty on the block. Indeed. But All game long the people protecting him were called snakes because they protected him. I see both sides of his argument.
Let’s also remember: Angry Betty targeted Josh and made a final 2 with Kevin BEFORE the dr/gremlining.
Kevin is again playing head only, without seeing the emotional side.
What if Jace and Betty join forces to take out Kevin and Haleena? Jun and Allyson proved enemies could be effective allies in the end game YEARS ago.
Kevin thinks it’s impossible because he’s convinced he’s got everyone snowed? He thinks in that case they take out Haleena? Most Likely (my brain says his logic and ego tell him they keep him out of the pair).
I think YES, getting rid of Josh is better for Kevin given the d/rgremlining. I think NO, Kevin’s plan is flawed because his logic is static not fluid with dynamic change.
His end game thinking multiple final 2 deals matter… um. Only to Haleena really.
Is the decision made? It’s Kevin. NO decision is ever made until he feels he has absolute control of the outcome. But, thinking Jace will win comps for him and take him to final 2 now that Josh and Betty reconciled? THAT is his reasoning. As long as HE doesn’t have to take out Haleena HIMSELF, he’s fine if she’s gone.
Does JOSH have the communication skills to change his fate? Only if you dangle a cookie in front of him. He’s never had to actually run a campaign, he’s always had everyone else saving him. His lack of communication is the reason people lose trust in him..
I don’t know. I don’t think Josh can unless he goes Haleena’s conscience route and she puts her foot down. When has Haleena put her foot down? I mean without being a klutz and falling over.
Kevin sending Haleena to Betty was supposed to make Betty and Josh think it’s Haleena’s fault or responsibility (Haleena cosigned, so his final 2 with Business B still stands is his reasoning). Reality: that’s not the way it played out. They just think Kevin mindfuqed Haleena. Business B has always been emotional Betty without guilt not 100% logic Betty. Kevin will NEVER get that because Kevin has never actually understood other’s emotions (that’s why he needed Haleena).
FACT: Kevin is COUNTING on his duo with Haleena being broken by either Jace or Betty next week, or he’s stupid. NO WAY ANYONE with a brain keeps a duo going into 3. This is why Kevin needs Josh out for real. 2 pairs where one is actually part of a trio? He can’t be sure his sure vote goes to jury. I’ve said multiple times, when he counts votes, Haleena was a vote for him 99% of the times.
Personal Theories:
Betty didn’t actually play Big Brother for the first few weeks. She had no clue what was going on around her, and didn’t care to find out.
Jace didn’t actually play Big Brother for weeks. She played secure a showmance. From there until week 5? Gino went out and gamed, came back and told Jace. She fostered no relationships of her own and actually cut her relationships back to put more emphasis on a showmance.
Josh relied on others absolutely to keep him in the game, and has moral qualms now that nobody is big brothering for him (Betty is, but Betty doesn’t have a vote). He threw almost every comp he could have won, and lost most of the ones he tried to win. His HOH actually cemented him as loser to the jury… but the house doesn’t see that.
Haleena has been in survival mode since week one when she was a renom option. She plays the entire season in protect the duo mode to her detriment. Best ability to read others (but most ignored for her abilities).
Kevin has been in chaos mode since week one. At this point, he’s got to hope the jury rewards the villain. The only way this jury rewards the villain though, is to take someone they respect less. This jury is too comp wins matter, and takes their evictions too personally. If Kevin says to jury i’m the one that did that… do they penalize or reward?
I still think Kevin could very well become the bbcan Paul.
Okay. Time to prep dinner. Episode review to follow.
WEDNESDAY EPISODE: aka how many drgremlins does it take for THAT to happen?
preamble:
Josh right now is about to start campaigning. He sees no point in trying to swerve Kevin, so he’s most likely going to go for Haleena’s conscience. If he were smart he would have locked in the final 4 on Monday with all present all hands in. He didn’t. He made up with Betty and lied to Kevin and Haleena about the reconciliation.
Josh campaigns to Hal: better for her game specifically. her response is if she doens’t win HOH EVERYONE is going to throw her on the block.
She tells Josh she knows Josh would keep Kevin or Betty over her, and that is what is making her doubt him, because it’s never been a secret he’s closer to both of them than he is to Haleena. Josh says Jace wins finals next to everyone. He tells Hal he’d be able to make a tough decision between B/K.
With Josh, Hal makes final 3 no matter what. The jury would not receive the move well if they cut Josh now. Josh never once pulling Hal and Betty together is the problem. Even a hands in final 4 deal with Kevin would have done it. He didn’t. EPISODE RECAP
Dr. Josh’s friendship with Betty is on life support. Betty wins HOH.
she’s called Petty Betty for the third time in about 90 seconds. Think she’s Petty??? PRE NOMS
Betty only wants to talk to Josh but he’s a backstabber.
Betty ignores Josh. Hal gets d/r. Her game has been invisible. ED. The edit agrees. Hal works Betty. Trying to save the Ghosts from the block.
Betty thinks Josh / Jace noms.
Josh finally goes to Betty.
He was loyal to Dummies, but wants his caaaake…. drool, and eat it too with Betty’s friendship. Betty says she’s been blind loyalty. She was playing for him, not herself.
Expendable… so enjoy blocklife. (THIS is before the last d/r of last episode…. that happened before Veto, not before noms look at her outfits).
Jace talks to Betty. I’d never go after you Betty. The snakes are snaky and shady and liars. Secret POV reveal. ED. Missing: let’s be the amazons and take out the men… but let’s target Haleena. The Jace pitch that sketched Betty. NOMINATIONS
Betty can only trust Betty (ED. at this point she was final 3 with Ghosts and final 2 with Kevin btw). NOMINEES JOSH AND JACE.
Josh ur a backstabber. Jace u are clutch, win veto. Jace d/r why not snakes on the block????
Kevin and Betty talk. Jace is the one she wants gone. Kevin appreciates Betty (smoke blowing). It’s actually not a great act… how did she buy this until d/r informed????
Kevin d/r Ghosts have all the power. This is due to all the hard work on Betty for weeks.
Haleena is the one that approached Kevin for the duo. We are invisible. Betty / Josh talk 1. Let’s not be weird. I’m not coming for you if i get off the block. It’s the still a bridesmaid talk. NOT THE BIG TALK. Dummie talk:
If Jace wins veto one of us goes home. Betty / Josh talk 2: post d/r reveal. Kevin exposed. ED. none of this was was in her brain when she camtalked before that d/r.
Josh is shaking. This is edit good, but feeds bad because it’s completely faked. Josh d/r: Let’s get rid of Kevin. EXPEDIA VETO. Video clips. Blindfolded five rooms. puzzle. Jace is run one. 24 ish
Lots of d/r. 5 alliance gone, showmance gone.
Hal beach. Betty city. Josh skiing. Jace. Jungle.
now find puzzle pieces. Jace missed a puzzle piece in Bettyland. it’s over her head. Josh’s turn. 16 ish
wow. just…. comedy of errors bad.
Josh is tall enough. missd the newsbox piece. Kevin’s turn. 33: 49
Ghost game. Gotta win late comps.
Wow. just as bad as Josh… did he EVER get to the puzzle???? Bet—-ty…’s turn? she’s almost in the hot tub. 47:59
No really…. where was she going?
back to Kevin making puzzle vs. Betty making puzzle. Haleena’s turn. 10:25
Too short to see the SAME one Jace missed.
Finds it. THE VISUAL LEARNER KLUTZ WON A BLINDFOLDED VETO. HALEENA WINS VETO Jace d/r: Hal wiped them. Does Hal use veto? Kevin d/r: we hold all the power.
Kevin sucks at comps, he needs comp beasts to carry him. Josh d/r: has to re-embrace Dummies.
Hal to d/r wins expedia reward:
Hal, don’t search for the secret room…. just go to 11 cus we don’t have that kind of time. Kevin Martin: strategy talk. Personal and Game. Kevin says personal happens after.
Kevin says tell the jury what you have done.
1- stay calm. 2- prepare for comps. 3- visualize the comps.
Tells Haleena she can win… not with HER Invisileena Edit. Jace veto talk. ED. this was actually the make nice with Jace talk when she was first staying before she was going before she was staying.
Use the veto… let’s keep Kevin…. we should run this game as the pair we were night one before i ditched you for the boys, then came back, then got ditched by you….. i dramatized the actual to be more fitting with what really happened. VETO CEREMONY
Josh: unreal veto time (cough cough)… 6th sense use it if you want.
Jace: if i’d wanted it i should have been 14 minutes faster. Haleena doesn’t use veto. end episode D/R’s:
Josh is going to fight…. with every snack he can find. crunch crunch crunch… oooo are those cookies?????
Jace is going to fight to stay. Josh will win if he stays.
Possible Waffle afoot. Who knows anymore. Call it a maybe Waffle, maybe just crepes. Background:
Hal said her heart is with Josh but she isn’t sure if the brain is agreeing because she thinks Josh would cut her before Betty and Kevin.
Josh disagreed.
Josh told Hal leaving in 5th place via backstab makes him think he’d poison the jury because they have been 3 strong for so long. NOW: (apologies in advance i’m distracted).
Hal might be changing her mind.
Hal has told Kevin that he’s had fun letting his inner child out, i think she’s inferring it’s time to put the inner child away (stop the chaos and be real talk or a loving affirmation? LOL).
Kevin is telling Josh he might be able to flip Hal back to keeping him.
Josh tells Kevin that Betty is a bigger jury threat than Haleena when Kevin asks if he would get rid of Hal.
I wasn’t paying attention for a couple minutes, i was on a call, sorry… life still lifes and i’m trying but i’m gonna be honest, i’m really in no mood to rewind so i’m just gonna keep going and hope i understand and relate this to you guys well. (yeah, I’m having a REALLY bad day and tbh i’m so dopey with allergy meds that rewind wouldn’t help because my ability to divide attention between multiple tasks is sorely lacking right now. My apologies).
Kevin and Josh are affirming their final 2? (might be fake, might be real i’m siding with fake). Kevin talks about getting Hal to throw HOH.
Good luck, she’d suck, but she’d never throw.
Oh wait, was Hal in the room for a while? that’s her voice….
Hal tells Kev Josh that Jace has said she’s never say die, and she’s going to fight.
Waffle or Kevin playing Josh playing Kevin playing Josh?
I have NO idea right now. Divided attention in the middle of a project while trying to pay attention.
I’m going to post this, and try to get my head back into wtf is going on.
Back when I’ve figured out the actual situation as it progresses. So Possible Waffle Watch, but not Positive Waffle Watch.
I think Josh has agreed to throw HOH.
Haleena never thought she’d win an HOH, she didn’t submit any HOH music? if that’s true BWAHAHAHAHA.
Feeds were down during the episode hence not getting what was happening. PURE CONJECTURE
I’m going to guess that as a result of Josh using Haleena’s heart as his campaign and adding the loyalty / poison aspect…
She told Kevin they were flipping?
Did she actually DO something or declare something to Kevin and make the decision FOR them? I don’t know if I believe that.
So everyone thinks Josh would take them to final 2?
Is THAT what’s going on?
Haleena thinks either one of Kevin or Josh could take her out, or either one could take her to final 2.
She feels better about herself if they keep Josh.
Betty has been informed Josh is likely staying.
Kevin joked about until the next mind flip (waffle).
Betty thinks they shouldn’t tell Jace until morning.
Kev/ Hal are trying to figure out when to tell Jace.
Jace suspects.
Flip flopping in chart form.
Still room for more. I’ll never look at a waffle the same.
EYES ROLLING OUT MY DAMN HEAD. It’s 2 frickin voters…. wutdabloodyellllll?
Somehow Marty would blame datfuqinbeddy.
Jess would think it was all a plot against theyself.
Kyle would try to nominate a juror just to break up that juryhouse room… awfully sus looking.
FROM THE LOOKS OF THOSE PORKCHOPS… HOH WILL BE HELD IN AN EMERGENCY ROOM. YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESH.
END OF WEDNESDAY
Just after midnight, Jace, who wanted to be informed tonight of the decision, has been told she is leaving. She was crying because they haven’t told her yet. Now she’s crying because they told her while she was crying. And it’s her that insisted on being told tonight? and got annoyed when Kevin came in and wouldn’t tell her… but kevywevy wouldn’t hurt her while she’s crying (conveniently she starts crying harder) Hal is left to take the lead. oy.
She’s pissed, back to calling them snakes. Pissed at Haleena more. i mean… so textbook that she’s the girl always mad at the girl.
Shouldn’t have demanded to be told tonight.
Now there’s only likely a couple more flips. kidding but sideye. I’m tired of the flipping. the flopping. the indecision. the kevining that i’m pretty secure in thinking was either boredom, or d/r requested to make it interesting. Look at the plethora of d/r calls to get us to each flip and then tell me it’s not possible. And it might not be done because Kevin is sharing the bedroom alone with her.
Kevin left most of the news breaking to Haleena so that she’d look like the baddy when Jace goes to jury. Come ON. like THAT’S not in his wheel house? He used the but she manipulates me stuff…. is he twelve with a crush on the girl he knows will go to second base? Sometimes that’s my read on Kevin and Jace.
Kevin is saying he believes Josh and Betty would cut each other in the f4. Yeah, they haven’t been spending 9 hours a day attached at the hip for 3 days or anything. Eyeroll.
That makes me wonder if he feels the same if Hal wins the HOH. mmhmm. As long as it ain’t him having to fight for veto… he don’t give zEEE-row shits in a manure factory.
In another room , Betty and Josh are saying the HAVE to win the POV at 4. Yeah, that sounds like 2 people cutting each other. Eyeroll.
Kevin locks in his final 2 with Josh with a handshake. wants to name it later.
Let’s hope Josh doesn’t pick the same name as the final 2 he has with Betty or with Haleena. I think Kevin still thinks Josh is the smitten kitten that said he had a crush on Kevin on night one. mmkay.
Kevin has now gone to schmooze Betty, she tells him to visualize his pictures and his HOH bed. He tells Betty his game was under the radar mixed with being silly. MEANWHILE
Jace is telling Hal she hates her game, and thinks she’s a liar and Jace wouldn’t play that way. She says Haleena could never make a firm decision, and with any power she was a flop. Haleena and Josh’s bedtime bonding day 4:
Haleena tells Josh that Jace is going in on her again (implying and not Kevin, and let’s be honest, Jace is 20x more likely to bitch out on Hal than Kev like 100%). Hal is mad that Kevin bussed her to Jace saying it’s all Hal’s decision. Hal says she chose to fight for the dummies, and knew she’d get heat, she doesn’t blame them it was her choice but sometimes she gets tired of getting all the heat for it and all the attacks. Josh acknowledges that Hal has taken most heat in the dummies this season for trying to keep them together. He’s telling her not to keep Jace, she says she only thought about it for a millisecond and that got blown up, and part of the game is thinking every situation through fully, but in her heart she was always keeping Josh. Josh tells her if anything ever sounds fishy, tell him, and he’ll squash it or keep it to himself. (flashback to Josh asking what Jace said that caused Haleena doubt: that if Hal gets rid of Jace, Josh will take out Hal because he likes everyone else more). Hal tells Josh that Kevin went in to tell Jace he was voting her out yesterday and she got into his head and kept going and going. And now Hal looks like the evil bitch again. Haleena says she’s winning HOH, she’s beating Kevin and Josh, she’s visualized it. Josh hopes she does beat him and asks her to take him to Wendy’s. He got the Wendy’s promise from Kevin too. HOW IS JOSH NOT 6 FEET WIDE?
LIGHTS OUT. There was an inaudible Josh whisper alone. Sorry. Headphones on 100 and i couldn’t make out one word, I think he took off his mic and still whispered to himself while Hal went for moisturizer (she left bathroom while Jace was dressing her down without finishing her moisturizer routine that generally takes as long as Josh’s tooth brushing).
In other news, apparently they’ve been told the Shopper’s wall won’t apply to any of the rest of the comps, so they’ve been studying that wall since day twentysomethin for ABSOLUTELY NO REASON. Hands up if you figured the Shopper’s showcase wall was done after the Shopper’s showcase wall comp for Gino’s HOH? ALL OF US?
Now watch HOH be shoppers showcase. BWAhahaha. Doubtful except as a tie breaker.
Thursday:
as has become pattern, feeds down before wake up call. As I see it:
With Jace’s reaction being more strongly against Hal than Kevin, Josh should actually be thinking Haleena is the no votes finalist. He likely thinks he can beat her already, but he is fostering his final 2 deals with Kevin and Betty more.
Given choice, I THINK Betty and Josh would knock out Kevin first, actually. Now that Kevin revealed he manipulated Marty to nominate Hermon (and made it sound like he did it all on his own) in his schmooze to Betty? Her theory that he’s the more dangerous becomes stronger I think.
Odds Josh actually throws the final 4 HOH? 70/30 he doesn’t. BUT, he knows VETO holds the power. Everyone knows Veto holds the power, but Kevin is banking on the HOH to give him the easypass to 3.
In a traditional final 4 veto, Haleena is the season 3 Brittni (no not the have not double veto HOH during double and triples Brittni). She doesn’t know the events NEAR as well as the rest of the house. Especially when she studies with Kevin, who as Josh has stated, skips days and events to throw off people he studies with.
I still say Hal doesn’t have a finals edit. No really. If she hits finals it’s as the easy win option. Name a juror that would say Haleena played a great game from their definition of what they think a great game was…. I’ll wait. I was shocked she got more than one d/r per episode this week so far, but she’s still lagging way behind.
I still say Josh and Jace had the traditional bench edit (the typical season big week one questions that WERE answered had Honeybunch and Savage 7 as answers leaning more to Josh for ticking BOTH boxes But there’s usually more than two big questions so…. hmm). Josh gets less d/r than Kevin and Betty. Jace got more d/r than she deserved after the whole week two and three ‘just sit and look pretty Jace, i’m going to talk game. Ok Gino’ crap.
Kevin has been getting the season focus edit as the literal driving force behind actions. Think about it: whose d/r did they go to after the triple: Kevin. Was Kevin the HOH or the surviving nominee? NO. Kevin was given the explain the actions spot.
Betty has been gettting the underdog rising edit hard. Since her cuss out Marty after noms leading to the veto and then the backstab to HOH? very much underdog rising.
Two weeks ago i would have said Josh Kevin as final 2. That’s what old pattern suggests.
This season’s pattern? I’m torn because it has broken from the traditional season 3-9 pattern enough to give me pause.
Latest jury clip release: Paraphrase.
(Just for entertainment, I REALLY don’t buy these).
Moose says he found out everyone in the house wanted him gone.
They ask summer if she’s made an alliance with the camera yet.
Jurors talk about alliances (Moose says 4, Gino says at the end he had 2 he had I’m aware of 7, Marty says 4 (he’s forgotten a couple we learned about and at least 6 final 2’s) and Summer says 8 i’m aware of 7 plus a few final 2’s).
Moose asks Gino why he convinced Hal not to use veto. Gino says he didn’t and Moose fell for Haleena’s manipulation game. Moose is shocked… but she was crying. Gino says and she did that to us all season.
Summer and Gino flirt on camera for Jace.
Since there is no feeds today, we have no idea if they flipped the vote again.
LMAO.
THURSDAY EVICTION EPISODE
RECAP: basically will the Ghosts be able to stay together?
Who will be saved? A week dripping in syrup from waffles.
Jace d/r: Jace thinks Josh will win if he stays.
Josh d/r: everyone is playing for themselves, he needs to campaign. He campaigns one hour during a feed block.
Kevin d/r: Ghosts rule.
Betty d/r: Shoulda nommed Kevin.
Filler: Josh’s mom watched because of Indigenous representation last season.
Kevin Hal GHOST TALK.
Hal wants to keep Jace. Kevin wants to keep Josh. He’ll manipulate Hal to get his way. ED. It’s going to be edited as Kevin masterminded? Oh. so nope. Mr. Waffles better be exposed.
Josh / Betty talk:
Josh d/r my resume is worse than Jace’s.
Betty deflates.
Would Kevin go for the stab? Hindsight talk. You still trust them now?
Josh and Betty have Kevin figured out. Hal and Kevin decide Josh, shake. Sibling talk Jace Kevin talk: he’s evicting her… now she’s going after his brain. Kevin is waffling. Actually waffle number 3 on Monday pm / Tuesday am.
Betty is happy to be final 5.
Hot tub exterior yard party4 THIS ISN”T THE FINAL 5 THEY ENVISIONED. FAMILY VISIT (anyone mind i call it filler?)
Jace’s MOM. Keep fighting.
Kevin’s Jillian. she wears a fake ring.
Haleena’s MOM: You are being watched… wow you made it this far? Cook Butter Chicken more.
Betty’s iain: Everyone is well. i drink coffee with you in the morning. u can do eet.
Josh’s MOM: he cries. d’uh. Ur doing well. Mom is proud. Focus on the fox teachings. JURY VISIT
Dummies reveal to Jury
Marty shocked they played him so long.
Summer petty against Josh. Hopes he comes to jury so she can laugh in his face.
Gino would vote Jace winner. D’uh.
Shock faces by Moose and Hermon multiple times. Especially the Gummi incident.
Campaigning.
Jace needs to lie to the liars and snakes.
*this talk was 99% aimed at Kevin almost exclusively.
Head vs. Heart talk.
Josh campaign to Kevin (during yesterday’s episode). ED. She was the first campaign not shown (1/2 during episode feed block).. Throw HOH? He’s not throwing HOH. EVICTION VOTE:
Josh: day 62. keep me I’m the best for your game.
Jace: we’re connected. Why doesn’t anyone have the guts to evict Betty or Josh.
EVICT JACE:
Haleena. Kevin. Jace evicted 2-0 Josh boilerplate bye. Kevin reveals the ghosts and the dummies to Jace. Almost flipped for her. Haleena goes i was game you were love, I’m still here. HOH COMP NOT STARTED OR SHOWN.
Post Arisaview tiktok with Jace:
NO WAY she votes Haleena.
Kevin and Haleena worked together and he’s diabolical, she is fine with Kevin or Josh winning. Hal’s exit interview was vote losing (she never had it anyway. SHE WAS NEVER VOTING HAL). Kevin will be her first choice for sure.
She thinks if Betty doesn’t win Veto she’s gone (nope).
Haleena’s message was bad juror management to a juror that would never vote for her anyway… but has sway over another juror (Gino).
I don’t care about Canada’s Fave Houseguest.
Just putting that out there to be 100% obvious. I do not give a crap.
However, you have about 5 days of voting time if you do care.
Vote opened after the episde aired.
I still don’t care.
I mean… really?
STILL EXPECTING FEEDS TO END ON SAT/SUN. Arisa will come on the screen announcing a surprise eviction. AND feeds will end.
15 minutes ago BBCAN twitter announced feeds will be down for the night, they will return in the morning.
here’s what we can expect:
Usually they would be done HOH by now… but who knows. In some seasons they’ve done the noms same night as soon as the HOH is over.
between 5-6am the red door opens perhaps they are sleeping now with the red door being the HOH comp.
at some point usually tomorrow (usually am, they do the awards).
If they don’t do noms tonight, they will do them tomorrow afternoon with the veto played many seasons on Friday evening.
Feeds usually return Friday night to the winner, and a few minutes of veto winner talking to their ally.
There is usually a little bit of scramble on Saturday as the nominees start to worry (or in Keifer’s case whine about wanting to quit at final 4 because he is being evicted).
Arissa will come on the tv announcing a special eviction… and feeds will end.
IF I remember correctly, that will be the pattern they will follow.
I still think saturday around 2pm feeds will end, unless they push back to Sunday.
WHO KNOWS i think the last season ended on a Wednesday not a Thursday.
Right now: CONJECTURE
I expect Kevin to reveal the Dummies to Betty by bed time. THIS is especially true if Josh wins HOH. Get Betty pissed at one more betrayal.
Betty and Josh would most likely rather evict Kevin. Kevin winning HOH is his best bet.
Haleena’s days and events disadvantage is going to bite her hard. I didn’t see her study THAT much after the Veto.
This week’s comps are usually centred on season history.
FINAL 4 VETO IS INDIVIDUAL TIMED VETO in every season i can remember.
SO…. since they won’t air the entire comp, I don’t believe the results, and never have.
Okay, that’s not true, I believed in the fairness of the comps until season five in that individual timed veto that Cowboy won… knowing he hadn’t studied the events and didn’t know anything in order and that WAS the comp? THAT VETO made me realize that individual time vetoes are production, not game.
Patiently waiting for the feeds to come back. * twiddles thumbs * any guesses on what the red door is ? I know Hal doesn’t look like she has much of a chance with the jury but I still hope for a ghosts final. Of the final 4 they are the ones that put in the work to win. To that end I’d rather Hal win HOH and final POV. Unlikely….but pov in 10 minutes ….also unlikely. JL is just totally bitter lol ah well her and gino couldn’t wait to turn on the ghosts so I have no sympathy for her. Lol
Jace walked in saying girl power. By day 3 she was trying to find a showmance. Her early contenders were Gino or Hermon. Her bff and final 2 Steph was intended to be Kyle’s showmance I believe, but quickly went for Gino, then Hermon. Girl power quickly became thatbitch frenemy while basking in the showmance lotto victory. REALLY… this is sort of an encapsulation of her ENTIRE game.
She would have been a far better player without Gino. This is just fact. She had better reads, she was a better competitor, and a smaller target alone.
Here’s the thing: she was content to have the game played around her instead of playing the game for MOST of the season.
She was entitled to the extreme, and seemed to expect others to keep her safe KNOWING she considered them beneath her. She wasn’t shy about putting herself WAAAY up here, and EVERY other woman way way WAAAAY down there. Notice: did she EVER once talk to ANY of the men the way she talked to ALL of the women?
Do I think this view of women as competition is new? NO. Do i think she comes by it naturally? OH hells yeah. Think about her sports background: individual sport competing against other women? She’s been socialized and conditioned to view other women as the enemy since early childhood.
This explains why she had ZERO problem telling everyone she hated her final 2 Steph. This is why her talk with Gino about the flirting put almost ALL the blame on Summer when it took 2 to tango. This is why Betty and Haleena were only considered companions when Gino was busy playing the game, and were dropped and dissed the moment He wanted to cuddle.
Her comp wins in balance comps is impressive. You’d almost think a competitive figure skater would need… good… balance….oh.
I think she had potential. I think she squandered her potential to play human mattress. I think if she were actually capable of considering other women as allies, she could TRULY have won. But petty gonna petty and entitled gonna entitled (as i’ve said before Gino DEFINITELY has a TYPE and yeah, i mean Summer).
I am not covering nor discussing her old tweets. Unless i read the whole thread, I’m NOT going to tell you what one snip of a thread means.
I gotta say, the fact that EVERYONE KNEW by week 2 that she was always going to vote a MALE winner? EVERY other woman should have manipulated the HOH’s to knock her ass out before Jury. In week three when she told the house she couldn’t stand her bff? BIG BIG BIG warning siren. If I was a woman in an alliance with the 2 of them? Run for the hills, make EVERY other alliance you can, because that woman is not a girl’s girl.
Her reads, as I said were good. However, she was naturally inclined to dismiss the male and blame the female for the same game move. Like… EVERY damn time. That would have served her well until a female HOH and a female veto holder… oh and look. Just saying.
She’ll vote bitter, she’ll vote petty. She’ll vote male 99 times out of 100.
In interview Jace says the jury is bitter against Josh and it’s Kevin’s game to win.
When she lists her vote preferences, the women are at the bottom.
Not at all shocked she ranks Josh ahead of Betty. Not surprised at all she ranks Haleena last. Even without the gbm, that was already the case.
Spot on – Hal’s GBM wasn’t great jury management but she’d had enough of Jace being condescending toward her. She never specifically called Haleena dumb but inferred it saying she’d be a joke in F2 b/c she’d babble without a cogent thought & had NO GAME to sell. She implied Hal simply hid behind Marty as her meat shield (yeah – that’s rich coming from Jace) called her a floater, a liar, a snake, a b*tch etc.
When the Ghosts voted out Gino she had NO ISSUES with Kevin – at least to his face but screamed at Hal. Jace not using the secret POV was “strategic” but when Hal didn’t want to use her POV at F5 she wasn’t playing the game – was unable to make a decision on her own, and was just part of the BB furniture.
I mean Jace really couldn’t have been more ignorant toward Haleena who as you correctly note likely would’ve considered taking her off the block had she even remotely tried to nurture that relationship or been believable about their F2. Once Kevin flipped Hal knew Jace offered him F2 so there was no way she was going to fight to keep her then.’
And after Josh won F4 HOH Kevin and Haleena were talking in $ room – Kev implied what nailed Jace’s eviction was she was extremely insulting and condescending to Hal during her pitch to the Ghosts. Ironically, her pro-male, anti-female bias was the reason they cut her in the end. As Kevin said – had she been someone who was a nicer person (sweeter I think was the word he used) they probably would’ve cut Josh.
Hal also knew Jace wouldn’t vote for a woman regardless of what she said. If Hal does make F2 I expect a snotty, condescending question or comment from Jace – the question is how will Haleena respond? Hal has shown some gumption at different times this season & I wonder if she would put Jace in her place noting how she spouted female empowerment all while simultaneously attacking each of the women’s characters in the house. How she would credit a male for making moves or being shady but when a woman did it she would attack their character with base, ignorant criticisms.
It was one of the few times Haleena caved to her emotions b/c I do believe Hal really did want to have a female partner she could pull with her/Kev to F3 (or with the Dummies to F4). That person, unfortunately, became Betty who she believes is closer to both Josh/Kev than her.
The biggest strike against Haleena is the power of the episode edit.
I’m sort of kidding, but not really.
Episode Edit put most of Haleena’s early game into the Jess column.
Examples:
Hal tells Kevin they should get closer to Jess for a side number. Episode says Jess and Kevin have a final 2 and actively cut Haleena out of one of the conversations.
Hal tells Jess how to tone her personality so she can get in with others. Episode notes Jess is developping a social game.
Week three, they show Hal rolling her eyes about Kyle’s proposed replacement nom convo. they don’t show her warning Josh and saying she has his back. Credit goes elsewhere. All we know about Hal in the edit to that point? She’s working with Jace and Steph? blink blink.
Even now: Jace d/r count as of eviction: over 100. Kevin around 100. Haleena: she just hit 50. Josh and Betty are in the mid eightes to 90 i think.
The edit doesn’t support a Haleena win in any way shape or form.
The edit actually supported a Haleena eviction week 5. Instead she took over Jess’ role during the massive feed outages we can ONLY mark down as JESS wanted to quit but HOH’s don’t quit WHILE they are HOH before renoms.
Anyone else feel a delightful sense of schadenfreude when you consider that the people told to their faces that they didn’t deserve to be there and play this game are the finalists?
Seriously. Week two through five, How many times were feeds littered with one of the alphabro Koolkidz saying that people like Betty, Haleena and Kevin didn’t deserve to be in the Big Brother House with them? I lost count because it was multiple times a day.
We heard it as late as week SEVEN when Gino and Jace said they believed floaters like Kevin and Haleena didn’t deserve to get to the end with them, the four with Josh and Betty was preferable because Josh was more like them. Sure, they changed their mind to Kevin… after he won a veto comp, but did they EVER take that seriously?
This is why i would evil laugh to myself EVERY time one of the Supposed DESERVING superior class would find their ass on the block, and be going to the dregs to beg for votes. It was well deserved Karma for being such completely entitled little assholes.
The entitled were annihilated by the inferior class. They were out strategized, out manipulated, and outplayed. They won HOH’s… and were manipulated into evicting their own allies. The undeserving DID THAT.
Not sorry, because EVERY single juror was part of at least one doesn’t deserve it conversation as if they were an executive producer. Is this where Marty’s “Sucks to suck” line comes in?
Realistically, yeah, I actually think one of Kevin or Haleena should win, because they played the damn game and gamed the damned players. Will they? I don’t really think so. Betty? She had NO clue what was going on for over half the game, and even when she knows what is going on now… she’s only actually figured out half the story and doesn’t even TRY to piece together the rest But would I hate a Betty win? No, not hate. Maybe feel a little blah about it, but not hate. Josh? Likeable guy that successfully played the middle. I can make a case for that. Sure, but it’s a weaker case than the other two in terms of actual game play. So at the moment my weakest finalist when assessing game play alone is Betty. Josh? If not for Haleena week three and later the Dummies, he’d have been a likeable footnote. This week Josh saved himself, preaching moral game while lying his ass off. I think that’s where I always mark him down a bit. He has that damn pet peeve role model moral game bullcrap spillage while playing a dirty game. The other two admit they are playing dirty games. Josh? oh i was manipulated (so I better not mention i’ve been in up to my eyeballs with the manipulators). Would i hate a Josh win? No. I’d hate the played a moral game interviews after FOR SURE. I wouldn’t be MAD if Josh won.
I know some people are thinking it’s a cometoJesus awakening for Josh, but is it? No, it’s more of that i’m a role model and anything dirty i’ve done is other people’s responsibility thing. That doesn’t fly with me. About EITHER Betty OR Josh.
When Betty says Kevin manipulated Betty into her nominations… Funny when cams returned and she was alone in expedia camtalking… she named her noms as Jace and Josh. How exactly is that Kevin manipulating Betty? She’d still be completely serious about her final 2 with Kevin and Haleena if it weren’t for the d/r calling her in and giving her leading questions and lines to clue her in to Kevin’s game (later explained as fictional thought about it all night bullshit) She was still alone camtalking Jace or Josh going is fine on Saturday UNTIL that d/r call.
I DON’T HAVE A MAJOR PROBLEM WITH ANY FINALIST. BE CLEAR ON THAT.
I don’t see a Haleena win in finals. I think of the four in terms of strategic game Betty is least deserving. I have a problem with Josh’s role model no blood it’s someone else’s fault bullshit. Kevin? He could win or he could be bbcanada’s own bb18/19 Paul. I’m at least theoretically okay (not thrilled but okay) with any winner even if I think some played better games than others.
FEEDS RETURN AT 325 ish am BBT.
Kevin and Josh are on cam 2 sharing a bed in red bedroom. MIDFRAME SHOT. Look at the hairline, that’s Kevin in bed with Josh for sure with a towel over his eyes.
I think that’s Betty on Cam one close up on cam 1. Angle and nightcam… I am not 100%.
It is possible they are having their proposed sleepover they all wanted to have last night (but Betty wouldn’t do because she wanted her last night of HOH in that HOH bed).
THIS DOES NOT MEAN ANYTHING. We can only see 2 of the 3 beds. ALL we know for CERTAIN… Betty (? i’m only 90% sure, i don’t do nightcam well) Kevin and Josh are sleeping together in the red bedroom.
I forgot i had the sound on… the snoring scared the living evile outta me. Somebody bag that demon… i don’t think i can do nice at this time of night.
A quick check of nightowls on twitter has a universal telepathy tweet: SHOW THE THIRD BED!
KEVIN IS FULLY DRESSED INCLUDING SHOES IN BED… he knows that red door opens in an hour.
If ALL FOUR AREN’T in that room… why are Kevin and Josh sharing a bed?
Whatever, I make no speculations on what is going on other than Kevin is dressed in bed and Twitter is losing it’s shit wanting another cam on the other bed while studying sleep patterns and trying to determine HOH winner by sleep movement. Ya, that happened a LOT in season 9.
I’ve avoided pressing post in case my timing is off on the red door, or in case we get a cam change (highly unlikely).
I’ll post again after the countdown hits zero. unless feeds go down for it… who knows. I’m betting they go down for it…. but we might get a view on if tonight is sleep over night.
HMM.
Nothing happened yet. My calculation was some time between 5 and 6 am. by 530… nada.
Josh even got out of bed, went to the bathroom, and… and went back to bed.
So Kevin is sleeping in shoes and Josh is sleeping with his mic on.
It is Betty for sure in the other bed. took me a minute then noticed wrist tattoo. Really odd face angle.
by 6am nothing still.
i’m catching some more sleep. I’ll backtrack later and catch up.
Here’s where we are at according to social media.
sleep study specialists have claimed Josh snoring means he won HOH. um. dude been snoring all season and only won 1 comp.
no camera on Haleena means show us the other cam dammit she’s gotta be in there.
HOH hasn’t happened yet is another theory.
red door will have a veto advantage is another one.
first person to open the red door is the new HOH is yet another one.
the red door is like the season 6 crypt that got turned into a tomb of marsha failed twist. or the stupid blood veto from 7. man was that bungled.
I got nothing for you other than it’s well after 6am bbt.
WHO KNOWS.
So tracking that damn door has been a waste of my time and made me set an alarm for nothing? When i find the idjit that came up with that…..
The red door was apparently a Wendy’s sponsored thing.
No really. SO either wendy’s with awards or just a Wendy’s themecomp.
Not only did Hal run into the door face first, but Josh face planted.
Yeah, I can see that happening.
Feeds are down for what I assume is the HOH comp.
They drank last night. 4 bottles champagne. So awards before HOH?
Haleena injured again. elbow. ice pack.
Kevin was talking about everyone throwing HOH to him again.
So…. HOH has NOT been played already.
If Kevin wins Hal gives him permission to put Hal up if it makes Josh feel better.
Kevin was going to already I think, but asks if she’d be okay with that. She says yes.
Josh talks like he’s throwing but has to make it look good.
Kevin is pissed. shoulda cut him talk. pissed.
Haleena and Betty are in expedia, Betty wondering if her she offended Kevin?
Josh is strutting doing little finger snap dancing and snacking.
We get 2 feeds here and 2 feeds there.
Lots of silence in Betty and Haleena room. discussion of alllllll of Haleena’s injuries.
Kevin is back out of d/r.
Looking for Josh. Meets up Hal, goes to red bedroom looking for Josh.
Kevin is trying to make up with Josh over his reaction to Josh winning HOH?
There was no point in saying ‘I’m throwing’ right before the HOH. Frustrated. Still wants to go forward.
Josh says only veto matters.
Josh, caught in another lie as the role model guy, runs off to shower.
Haleena is telling Josh get off the pot, She’s happy for him to win HOH. She’s telling him to be happy. She isn’t upset at him, and is proud of him for securing his safety (she’s covering better than Kevin is… but I think she’s of the mind she’s going to jury).
Kevin Haleena talk Haleena says he conned the conmen. If he goes to jury, he’s pushing Hal to win over Betty because nobody can beat Josh.
Kevin thinks he could have beaten Jace. Hal says no.
I think Kevin is subtly trying to get Hal to volunteer for the block.
Hal says she was still keeping Josh if he hadn’t said he’d throw HOH. Kevin… oh.
He’s taking it much harder, she’s not.
HAL is taking this MUCH better than Kevin, she’s talking him off the ledge.
THey’ve done this to others for 10 weeks, it’s their turn to feel stressed.
They got soft. Kevin saying Jace’s insult campaign at them is why she went home. Hal is saying no, her talk with Josh made her think with her heart. She got soft. She preferred Josh come what may.
Betty was too toxic to Kevin for Kevin’s liking. Hal talks him down from threatening to evict Betty before the veto. says gametalk with her now before veto is a bad idea.
ALL FOUR WILL PLAY VETO, Kevin isn’t figuring.
Hal is talking Kevin up and impressed wtih Josh. IF Josh and Betty were final 2 the whole time and planned it all together she’s impressed.
Josh’s i just decided in the moment to win lie didn’t fly.
Betty celebrating in Kevin’s face didn’t fly.
Hal is taking it on the chin. Kevin is defeatist shouldcouldawoulda.
Hal says he played you like you were playing him re: HOH throw talk.
Kevin is convinced noms will be Hal and Betty or Josh’s lying is exposed. And he plans to tell Josh if he puts both Kevin and Hal up he’s exposed, so keep Kevin off the block.
HE’S SAYING THIS TO HALEENA. That’s a choice. In her head she’s practicing a mean gbm she’ll never say. LOL.
Kevin goes to Josh to push for Hal and Betty noms and Betty target.
Kevin is especially pressed like a panini but oh well…
At this stage of the game you either win or you basically go home so step it up dude. One Veto win is not enough even if he has done very well strategically. Too many people on the jury heavily rate competition wins so yeah 1 Veto win probably won’t get you their vote especially if you have 1/2 wins and whoever is also in the final 2 has 3/4 competition wins.
There are still 2 competitions left (I’m only counting the last part of the final HOH since it is all that really matters) though so maybe Kevin wins them both? 3 wins would be great.
If Haleena gets one or both then she would go to 3/4 wins which along with her overall game would be deserving of a win imo.
Betty is probably in the worst position but we’ll see if she can win another competition before the show ends. Same for Josh.
Note:
I may have slightly misunderstood Kevin when pitching noms, he may have actually been saying put up Kevin and Betty, not saying get rid of Hal’s block virginity with Betty.
If you’ll note from my wake up call posts when feeds returned… i am a little sleep deprived.
So question:
Am I the only one?
I find this poor Josh I was manipulated I’m a role model crap to be waist high bullshit?
He entered an alliance. He made the move that kept his alliance safe. Now he’s jumped ship back to his never had a deal best friend to backstab the alliance?
Yes, the alliance isn’t with a couple doe eyed innocents. Yes, they were going to evict him. So yes, the move is a good one. HOWEVER, in terms of the narrative he’s trying for? Am I the only one thinking Own your game and quit blaming your allies for your own decisions?
Fact: Josh is lying when he says Kevin was in his ear to nominate Betty after he won HOH. We saw Josh walk in, both Kevin and Haleena sure Hal was renom, Josh says keep Betty. His revisionist crap is just that. Yes, Kevin was pushing alliance strong before Josh won HOH. Josh was in 100% agreement with that, knowing he’d catch hell from his friends for working in an alliance without them (and LET’S reiterate: Josh Kev Hal wanted to pull Betty in, Betty refused to work with Hal so the deal never went forward).
I DO think JOSH’S best move is to target Kevin. DO NOT MISUNDERSTAND ME.
It IS. I can do without the sanctimonious bullshit though, he’s been well aware since BEFORE the Dummies just how Kevin was playing.
I’m actually really perturbed by the entire I’m a hero crap. He’s just as much a villain as his allies. All of them.
You are NOT the only one AND he’s going to be exposed to Betty (and to the jury eventually)- the question is whether it occurs before or after the eviction.
It’s hard to fathom a scenario where Betty doesn’t learn about the Dummies — if Kev or Hal win POV I’m pretty sure Kevin outs the CTD to Betty almost immediately along with here’s why I can’t keep you. And you just know Kevin is jumping at the bit to tell her how Josh used to laugh about putting Betty up in the triple & never cared about losing her (or Summer). He’ll tell her – I’ll stay in this room – you go ask Haleena specifically if that happened & if Hal called us both cruel for doing it & she’ll tell you the truth.
If Betty wins – I think Kev gets squirrely worrying she won’t keep him & perhaps says too much. The one scenario that MIGHT postpone the inevitable is if Josh wins b/c they have to wait & see if he lets Hal vote or if he pulls Betty down to vote.
Based on his DR’s it sure seems like Josh’s plan is to screw the CTD so presumably he would pull Betty off so she can vote out Kevin. In the event that happens Kevin for sure says something to Betty walking out the door exposing Josh as playing her & lying to everyone. I think he’d get a shot in about Josh laughing about putting her up in the triple (b/c we know that’s how Kevin would roll lol) & I also think he’d be telling Betty I’ll be working that jury to make sure you win – to get into Josh’s head.
And then Haleena would be left to pick up the pieces after the fact. She would have to out the Dummies & how Hal/Kev were protecting Josh the entire game as well as Betty. She can remind Betty – remember when I said to you “I know you hate me — but I’m still going to keep you” when you were OTB with Hermon? That’s b/c the Dummies wanted to make a F4 with you but Josh told us it wouldn’t fly b/c you hated me.
They’ll be less leeway (or time) if Josh wins b/c he’ll want to blindside them if he is going to let Betty be the voter. And b/c they won’t know until the minute prior to eviction Kev won’t be able to say anything in advance trying to maintain his position with Josh.
I’ve called Josh arrogant a couple of times — & while I do like him – he really is arrogant. The way he’s played this situation, in particular, speaks to that fact b/c he’s relying on the Ghosts never selling him out & that’s taking a lot for granted.
So question — do you think this sudden “hero narrative” is TPTB pushing this onto Josh? I mean he is petty — look at how he acted after the triple toward Betty refusing to own anything or go and smooth things over with her. It’s plausible it’s just who he is – that he has one set of rules for how he can conduct himself versus how others are allowed to treat him OR it could be TPTB pushing him to take this stance for storyline.
The elbow injury:
when the red door opened, Haleena was in socks, slipped on the floor, ran into the red door and landed on her elbow on the ground.
Josh thought for certain she’d broken her arm from the way she hit the ground.
Meanwhile Kevin poor me’s to Betty (take me if you win veto everyone beats me i’m invisible game).
Hal and Kevin have promised to promote each other to jury.
Betty has promised to promote Josh to jury.
POST WENDY’S Josh Betty talk. She’s fine with being nom’d because it makes Kevin think he isn’t the target, and without Hal ever nominated, maybe Kevin would evict her if he won Veto. Josh Kevin talk. Kevin asks about putting Hal up with Betty instead of himself. It was his idea to put up Betty and himself, and that’s why Josh is doing it. Kevin wonders if Josh is keeping Hal off the block so that Betty targets her for never being nominated if she wins the veto. Josh gets Kevin to agree to going on the block by telling him the current Jury would respect Hal being nominated and winning veto to remove herself more than never being nominated. Kevin Haleena talk.
I think Kevin just told Haleena he wants her to have a perfect game after telling Josh to put her on the block to ruin her perfect game. I also think he told her she could volunteer and Josh would likely do it.
Haleena and Betty have ALREADY told Josh they are fine if they are nominated. Kevin? Spinning for NO reason.
Kevin is spinning feeling like Josh won’t just own playing them. So take Betty’s righteous indignation last week and put a Kevin spin on it. Haleena says of course Josh isn’t going to do that.
ED. ACCC-tually THIS jury cares about comp wins comp wins comp wins, but I think a few think damn impressive with never being on the block when they think social game. Same time, they ALL have to know that jury would more likely vote a gummibear winner than Haleena. FACT: if either nominee wins veto, Haleena hits the block anyway. So… moot point.
Kevin doing his internal chaos spinning and externalizing it at Josh? That’s going to push a button in Josh’s head. I mean, it took days, but even Haleena got tired of it and told him to put his inner child away. Josh? He’ll sketch almost immediately.
Something I don’t think Josh QUITE understands. Let’s say Josh wins veto. That doesn’t mean JOSH is the vote. That means if Josh wins veto and leaves the noms the same HALEENA is currently the SOLE vote.
Maybe Josh and Betty covered that… But I DON”T KNOW. Kevin is slipping up in that fact too. IF HOH wins veto, they are not the vote. The hg not on the block is the sole vote.
SOOOO… Josh’s middle player personality: what does he do if he wins veto? Uh oh.
Technically – Haleena will never have been nominated regardless.
If Kev or Betty win POV – they remove themselves & Haleena replaces them as the only option (still not being nominated) and even in the event Josh wins & takes one of them down again she’s a replacement but not technically nominated – only going up by default.
Your last point is interesting b/c Josh has been trying to do his – Mr. Stay in the Middle Man thing telling Betty they are against the Ghosts & by not putting up Hal that if Kevin wins POV he’ll vote out Haleena instead of her (bullsh*t). Does he honestly believe this? Is Josh as full of himself as Kevin when it comes to buying who each person would really take to the end? I kind of think maybe Josh does buy into Kevin being smitten with him/their F2 b/c he has a truly arrogant side. It’s similar to how Kevin convinced himself Josh would never turn on him or that Betty would cut Josh.
I swear Hal is the only one of that trio that clearly saw the game board for what it was. She KNEW it was best to keep Jace but both Kev & Jace screwed that up. Based on what we saw on feeds plus the playback from them it sounds like Jace really went at Hal – cruelly calling her out. Kevin brought it up multiple times that Jace attacked Hal. The implication was Jace went at Hal’s character & labelled her a floater, rat, liar, etc.
As an aside: I get JL was a competitive skater & primed to take out her female competition but the truth was Jace could’ve stayed if only she would’ve kept Hal in the loop. Regardless if she felt Kev was the alpha of the Ghosts she STILL should’ve gone back to Hal & downloaded their chat showing how Kev was pitching her hard to take him to F2, to promise to put up Hal & break her streak & to select him at F3 if she won. Sure it was a risk that Hal would tell Kevin – but what did she have to lose? I think if Jace had given Hal what she gave Betty (my game is in your hands & I’m 100% committed to you & you alone) she prob gets Hal to push harder to keep Jace.
Back to Josh… Him telling Kevin this jury would respect Hal more for going OTB & saving herself than her streak- -was a load of crap if I ever heard one — he WANTED to put up Kevin b/c he’s petty & it’s payback. So why keep Haleena safe? It’s Josh AGAIN playing the middle — perhaps he has Hal convinced she’s his true F2 (which I kind of think she is at this point). Plus I think Josh is super confident he’ll win POV so he thinks this move pulls Hal closer to him than Betty — but as you note the problem is he’s forgetting HE IS NOT THE ONE TO EVICT – he only gets to choose who makes that decision.
And if that happens — he has to get his hands dirty & be caught in a lie either way. If he pulls Betty down then he just blatantly lied & screwed over the Dummies but especially Hal b/c he’s told her he doesn’t want to ruin her streak & even if he’s getting Betty to keep Hal (which is their plan atm) then Hal goes to F3 feeling Betty is his true F2 & that he just lied to her to try to become her F2. If he let’s Hal pick he’s screwing over Betty b/c she’ll keep Kev. Either way it wasn’t wise how he set it up.
My feeling in the final 4 has always been that if you are not HOH and not casting the vote you are a nominee for eviction. Technicality perhaps. BUT, up for eviction nonetheless.
I get the oddest sensation when thinking about Veto.
Here’s the old pattern: s1: Tala. s2: Heather. s3: Britt. s4: Cassandra s5: Ika s6: Will. s7: Adam s9: Keifer.
1-5 gave us the 4th place “queen” trope. 6-9 gave us closest ally of the winner trope.
Which pattern do they follow?
He will throw veto. He doesn’t need it for safety and could lose jury votes. Will Veto Queen Haleena win again? That’s my prediction for this next individual timed veto.
DOES anyone else remember just how long last season’s final 4 Veto took?
OVER 12 HOURS Feed block!!!!! JUST IN CASE.
So. Awards were last night.
Hal is injured.
Kevin is spinning out and resorting to flirt with the gay guy because gay guys can’t be logical with a hetero penis in the room with Josh. I SO hate that bbcan trope.
NOMS BETTY AND KEVIN.
Everyone is shocked Veto is played today. NOTE TO FUTURE BBCAN HOUSEGUESTS: watch a feed or two and learn the pattern.
I still say feeds will go down by about 2pm tomorrow when Arisa calls them to the living room for a surprise eviction.
Since The veto is likely to take a long time, I’m just going to post the chart now pre-veto.
Originally Josh was going to put up the Ghosts but then thought better of it – believing if he keeps Haleena off the block & Kev wins POV he’ll vote Haleena out b/c she would have a full season of not going up.
Of note THIS IS A HUGE MISTAKE by Josh b/c now if Haleena gets to F2 she can spin how Josh turned on the Dummies but she was still able to stay off the block. It’s a HUGE win for Haleena! Now she just needs to win POV!
Notably, before nominations Kevin told Josh he was disappointed he lied to them about throwing HOH (and said it AGAIN just before the comp) but as long as he didn’t put up both Hal & Kev OTB he would know he is still good with the Dummies.
Josh may be playing both sides of the coin here but his smarter move was to put up Hal/Betty but this tells me he’s made some sort of deal with Haleena during their Wendy’s visit (or in chats we didn’t see on feeds) that she would take him over Betty to F2 & he’s hedging his bet that 3 out of the 4 of them (Hal, Betty, Josh) could win POV so Kevin has the biggest shot of getting evicted.
B/c Kevin is so cutthroat maybe Josh believes he could get Kev to vote out Hal but I don’t buy he would b/c he knows Betty would take Josh all day every day whereas Hal would take him so yeah – I think Josh really messed up here.
Josh is taking this high road moral position – and is ASSUMING Kevin won’t out the Dummies to Betty. Hold onto your horses with that one. Initially, I thought maybe Kevin wouldn’t out the Dummies if either Hal or Kev won POV but I think he’s more likely TO OUT CTD if they win POV just so Betty goes to jury knowing how Josh lied to her the entire game.
If Betty or Josh wins POV it’s less certain what Kevin will do b/c he’ll need to be careful that he doesn’t increase his chances of leaving over Haleena. My guess is he already knows he is the target b/c Josh ignored his request to throw HOH & even reiterated he would prior to the comp which looks like he’s enjoying punking them.
While he’s always been closer to Kevin than Haleena we can’t disregard they slept in the same bed for most of the season. And if we’re looking at the situation clearly Haleena was ALWAYS the voice of reason for the Dummies. It was her work that got the most actions — she shared the most secrets/details & she was always the one to talk one of them down if they were feeling upset.
That part of her game can’t be underestimated and as mad as Josh was last week when Betty suggested he might be leaving – Kev laughed in his face & enjoyed the chaos (like he’s wont to do) whereas Hal was very straight forward & honest in why emotionally she would always keep Josh but from a strictly game perspective she knew she sat at the bottom for each of Kev, Josh & Betty so she needed to hear Jace’s pitch out even if she ultimately knew she would keep Josh. As mad and as petty as Josh can be he would appreciate her honesty and be more laid back in their one-on-one discussion.
But HELLO Josh is a petty guy & Hal gets slapped with the same hand as Kevin b/c they are paired in Josh’s mind. I really like Josh but NOT this side of him. There is a certain arrogance to his game and manner when he’s in power – a coldness that is anything but endearing. We saw it clearly during the triple when he had ZERO empathy for Betty or Summer.
On the other hand, it makes sense for Josh to pull Betty back to him by keeping her safe & playing up his current tangent of being “played by the pair”. Although – as per typical for Josh, he’s not thinking strategically here by OVER SELLING him being taken advantage of b/c at some point regardless of who wins POV she is going to be told that Josh was in the Dummies & never cared if Betty left.
To be clear- this is one of the few seasons I can say I won’t be completely annoyed if a specific hamster wins. I’ll be happy for any of the four albeit I have my preference.
Flirty Josh – the morality policeman:
Josh played the middle perfectly manipulating everyone – albeit he didn’t have to work too hard and spent most of the season relying on Kev/Hal to do all the work and make sure he was safe instead of having to pitch.
In truth, other than aligning with the Ghosts, flirting with everyone, and eating he didn’t do much more than Betty other than put himself in a position to know what was going in the house. Let’s remember – Josh was NEVER as forthcoming about things he knew like the Ghosts were with him.
Winning at key times like the triple & this current HOH set him up well – but if we dive into how he handled the triple it was done terribly. He stayed true to the CTD in the moment but he handled it abysmally & it was such an easy fix to do it without the turmoil. While he’s pissed at Kevin (and Hal it appears since he’s lumping her into the same pot) the truth is Josh is just as much to blame for how last week played out.
He KNEW forever that if he won the triple what he would do – the Dummies repeatedly discussed it. That he hadn’t planted more seeds with Betty about Summer wasn’t just poor gameplay it was sheer laziness. I’ve discussed it adnauseam, but the easy fix was to simply say to her just trust me I’ll explain it to you after but you’re safe was the least he could’ve done (instead we saw a very cold calculated Josh).
OR the smart move which would’ve been to tell her this will make people think we aren’t a duo so they don’t put us up together AND if you get to F2 you’ll have Summer’s vote. OR even if he had pulled the Dummies/Betty into a room & said what do we do here b/c Summer has to go. If he had done even a little work to be prepared for that moment Betty either doesn’t nominate him or at least there isn’t the drama between them right after the fact. He counted on her forgiving him & she has but I’m not sure there isn’t still some payback coming depending on who reaches F3 (and who wins that Final HOH).
Underdog petty Betty:
Betty is the season’s real underdog – clueless about what was really occurring – not truly playing the game until the week she had to fight to stay over Hermon and even then never fully played the game. She’s an eloquent speaker, has the best laugh I’ve ever heard, is humorous but also has a mean streak. She was one of the season’s mean girls at times & was quick to turn on people just because.
Even after Haleena explained why Tynesha had to go, Betty held a grudge. Despite, Hal committing as the FIRST ONE to tell her she had her vote (while her BFF Summer couldn’t offer the same) she turned on her the very next week. She was ready to cut Hal the following week & was planting lies about Hal to Jace right up to the time just before the triple. She won some big comps and was fun to watch & has a MASSIVE social following. Of the four she’s my least deserving winner (although Josh is almost aligned equally) but again, I wouldn’t hate her winning.
Kevin the mastermind villain:
Kev was the season’s self-appointed villain and was super fun to watch. My favorite part of this year was his one-on-one strategy convos with Hal. He also kept the house (and live feeders) entertained but following the triple eviction let the power trip go to his head and massively overplayed putting himself (and Haleena) in their current position.
I vacillate on who deserves the title the most and settle on Kevin being the 1B versus Haleena’s 1A for me simply b/c she was the glue to the Ghosts/Dummies and when he listened to her they fared much better. Every time he ignored Hal’s advice he put the Ghosts in jeopardy and his read of the hamsters was well off the mark in several instances compared to Hal.
Haleena the true mastermind & best manipulator:
So then there is Haleena who IMHO is the most deserving to win and the least likely to be crowned. She was the vote that confirmed Tynesha’s exit and readjusted the underdogs (read: not the cool kids) taking over control of the house.
It was Haleena NOT KEVIN who eventually got Marty to see the reason for putting up Hermon & also was the one to get him to recognize Jace/Gino WERE DEFINITELY going to back door him & Jace not using the secret POV was only to protect herself. We didn’t get to see all of that chat b/c feeds cut but during the part we did see Marty was annoyed AF at Kevin overselling to him being a legend so no one will convince me it wasn’t Hal who got him to see reason. Also the fact Marty feels the most burned by Hal in jury speaks to how much control she had over him.
She was also the one who went to Gino to expose all the information about the other side of the house during his first HOH when he had ZERO KNOWLEDGE. It re-aligned the Ghosts with the showmance and Marty — IMO that was the pivotal move of the season b/c until that point G was still in solid with Hermon/Moose but her intel allowed G to learn how Hermon had copious alliances all of which included T & Summer and most included Josh, Moose & Betty.
Granted the double with the odd safety chain can also be cited as the pivotal shift of the season – but more so in terms of how different the season would’ve been had the vote gone differently. Jace likely would’ve aligned with the Hermon/Moose/Summer side if Gino was cut while Jess would’ve remained aligned with Kevin, Marty, Haleena with Betty & Josh conveniently where he liked to always be IN THE MIDDLE.
Marty still wins the next HOH but would Josh/Betty have gone OTB — OR would he have been convinced to put up Jace & Moose (or some other combination)? It’s likely Hermon still gets backdoored but then who wins the next HOH that Gino won? We don’t know how Jess would’ve done in that comp & perhaps she would’ve won. Gino won with 8 correct answers but there was a five-place tie for second with Josh, Jace, Summer, Kevin & Betty all having seven questions correct.
Which means it would’ve gone to a tiebreak question and in the event Josh/Kev win they likely target Moose & I’m guessing Jace but if Summer, Betty, or Jace had won & given who voted out Gino I’m thinking it could’ve been any combination of Kev/Hal/Marty or Josh OTB but this was also the week that Hal won the POV & Jace found the secret POV. What we do know is only one of Hal/Kev would stayed OTB if they were nominated (Hal removes herself or Kevin if she wasn’t nominated). Too much to speculate about but it’s likely Kev/Hal remain safe & in the house. Marty/Josh being much more likely to be evicted that week & oh how different the game would’ve been in that scenario. But I digress — back to Haleena…
Her reads were always spot on – other than the occasional moment when her heart would interfere she navigated through the game with the best read in every room. She took a ton of negative energy from each of Summer, Betty and Jacey Lynne which was unfairly dished in her direction as if she was the only one doing something wrong.
Evidence of her ability to read the house – she aligned with the best competitors (Marty/Gino/Jace) & the best strategically (Kevin – ON DAY ONE), and the best socially positioned (Josh, Summer).
Other than being able to corral Kevin into not overplaying the ONLY mistake she made was not having Josh pre-plan to get Betty on board to take out Gino in the double. In fairness, perhaps she didn’t feel there was time & b/c the safety chain was such an outlier of a comp it would’ve been tough anyway.
Other than with Kevin and less so with Marty/Josh she was never overt in her game actions (& to an even lesser extent with Jess). In hindsight, if she had pulled Josh in to say we need to have Betty on board to take out Gino if a double is coming (which they did correctly project) it could’ve changed how this game played out. Even then it would’ve relied solely on Marty/Betty doing what the Dummies wanted.
Every season there are missed opportunities and that was one where the Ghosts should’ve had a trick up their sleeves ready in case of emergency – a lie or a plan in place to go to Moose or Summer and tell them they had to take out Gino b/c they KNEW FOR A FACT he was lying and they were his next target. If she had done that we might be talking about how Hal wins this game in a landslide.
It slightly annoys me she won’t be given a fair shot to win given how the jury views her & how anti-female the self-described female empowerment crusader Jace is. Also as an aside- it’s super annoying how Jace is STILL trying to sell the story that her & Gino decided she shouldn’t use the Special POV b/c if Marty left then they’d be the most exposed. STOP LYING JACE — you were NOT ALLOWED to share with anyone that you won the POV b/c if you did then you would’ve been evicted
That was part and parcel of winning the comp. We all saw on live feeds how she told him AFTER the POV ceremony while doing the spa session in the HOH room. I hate it when this sh*t happens & the fact not one of the interviewers is calling her out in her exit interviews for continuing to lie ticks me off.
The other really annoying aspect of Jace’s game is while she’s claiming she won’t be an emotional juror & plans on voting fairly out of one side of her mouth she’s telling Taran that Betty played the worst game of those in F4 but she then ranks her ahead of Haleena for who she’d vote to win – with Kevin, Josh, Betty & Haleena as her order from top to bottom. Even in her answers, she’s showing how biased and negative she is toward Hal. — I can’t.
POV has Kevin & Betty in worst positions to leave:
Now we’ll await the POV and based on the noms Kev/Haleena KNOW they have to win b/c they won’t trust Josh to keep them at all now. Kev is already whining/crying to Betty which won’t work IMHO. I think Josh took Hal to Wendy’s so I’m eager to find out if he tries to sell out Kevin in that meeting. Will Josh tell Hal that Kev has constantly worked to get out Hal at F3 & how he even discussed taking her out earlier? Or will he just Homer Simpson his burger?
What we’ve learned post meeting is he told Hal he didn’t want to be the one to break her streak.
If Josh or Betty win POV – Kevin will be evicted (& I’d be surprised if TPTB would want that result).
If Hal/Kev win POV it should also be an automatic that Betty is evicted. UNLESS Josh suddenly pulls out some major gameplay we’ve not been privy to this entire season & gets Hal to turn on Kevin. In truth – it might not be a bad move for her if she thought she could get Betty & Josh to both take her but she’s been so smitten by the Ghost alliance getting to the end I doubt even the most charming Josh could get her to switch things up.
Who do TPTB (the powers that be) want to win?
Soooooooooooo who do we think TPTB want to win?
There are equally compelling narratives to push — Do they want the first indigenous winner (Josh)? — The underdog (Betty)? Or the duo who controlled the game & were BB10’s best players to get there (The Ghosts – Hal/Kev)?
My desired outcome:
My preference would be Hal winning out which is highly unlikely to happen. The reason is I feel she played the best game & by winning F4 POV, and F3 two-parter HOH she would increase her chances, especially now that she’ll have the perfect never nominated storyline (b/c at F4 going up following POV isn’t a nomination).
My second choice would be Kevin I guess for the drama of the Dummies having to be in a house for what will likely be a highly intense last few days given how Josh turned on Kev (which is really not sitting well with him).
As much as this is Kevin’s just desserts – I mean come on the guy reveled in playing everyone so he sort of had this coming but I still want him in play at the end. I was going to say Josh third & Betty fourth as preferences but the truth is they are both equally fourth for me.
Barring some sudden shift (read: Kevin Martin goes to jury & upsells the amazing game Haleena played – (which also seems highly unlikely since TPTB hasn’t pushed for that with any of the evicted hamsters — and THEY DO PLANT INTEL WITH THEM) or Kevin getting evicted at F4 & up-selling how instrumental Hal was to this entire season I don’t actually see a way for her to win.
F2 selections:
If Josh picks…
Although the choices might seem cemented I’m not 100% sure that’s the case. In the event Josh selects & Kevin is in the house he takes either lady over him. If it’s between Hal & Betty given the current petty rampage he’s on it would seem like he would take Betty.
BUT… there is a world where he takes Haleena b/c he knows the votes of Summer/Moose/Hermon may go to Betty over him & also knows those people (other than Moose) weren’t that fond of Hal & treated her poorly. Plus he knows Gino/Jace would NEVER vote for Hal so she becomes the more compelling choice for him to take.
Add in the fact – I would expect Kevin to say on his way out the door I’ll be working the jury for you to win Betty (and Josh knowing how Kevin rolls might believe that).
If Betty picks…
It would be Josh versus one of Kev/Hal. Again it seems likely she sticks with Josh BUT again- I think there is the possibility Hal could make her see how Betty could beat her with Josh, Summer, Moose, Hermon, Jace & Gino’s votes guaranteed for her versus taking Josh and likely only getting Summer’s votes in that mix.
If Kev picks…
He takes Hal over Josh – every single time and since the only way Kevin gets to F2 is if he or Hal wins POV Betty wouldn’t be an option.
If Haleena picks…
Hal could arrive at F3 with Josh/Betty or with Josh/Kev. In the latter, she takes Kev every time (RIGHT?) & in the former, I’m pretty sure she takes Betty.
The bitter jury…
In terms of the locked votes, much will depend on “perception” but based on what the producers are telling the hamsters as they leave they’ve positioned Kevin as the mastermind & several of the hamsters are pissed at Josh so it favors Kev or Betty.
Marty is mad at Hal, G/Jace aren’t happy with any of the Dummies but Jace has Kev 1st, Josh 2nd, Betty 3rd & Hal 4th in her exit interviews SHOCKER. The fact that even after the GBM’s and producers feeding Jace intel that she would still put Betty above Hal is so obviously personal it’s annoying she’s trying to simultaneously spew she’ll be a fair juror. Just stop.
Moose/Hermon/Summer might be flexible b/c they were ticked at Josh & more open to the game Hal was playing & once again – the round table discussion could have a major impact, especially depending on who is hosting & who joins them as F4 evictee. If it’s Kevin he’ll TRASH Josh’s game & tell them he laid around doing nothing & his only input was to let the Ghosts do all the work until the triple then turned on them in the end.
I’d also expect Kevin to share with them how Josh called all the jurors stupid who only value comp wins & how he would laugh in rooms with Hal/Kev about cutting Summer/Betty and didn’t care at all he would break their hearts. That maybe could help Hal or Betty beat Josh (shrug).
Hermon, Moose, Gino are so into comps (and Jace) that they would be keen to reward which would lean to NOT voting for Kevin regardless & picking Josh. But producers were in Jace’s ear about Kev so that could play a factor & give Hermon/Moose/Summer all the reason they need to vote for Kevin – – which is more of a vote against Josh who they are all bitter about anyway.
Sadly, Jace, Summer, and Betty (if she’s there) would all likely vote for either man over Hal in spite of their female empowerment rhetoric.
In one of Jace’s exit interviews, she was already in jury & noted how bitter everyone still is & that the questions will be fire at the finale. While she said she would be a fair and impartial juror everything else she said showed otherwise as she’s definitely the most bitter toward Haleena. She cited Hal as the only person (beside Gino) she was close to so clearly she feels played by her. She also said with a look of disdain on her face that she thinks Hal will make it to F2 but she hopes it’s Josh & Kevin and wants Kevin to win.
For sure Jace has downloaded to the house that Josh was in the F3 with the Ghosts & let them know about the two alliances which will offer them all some insight into how things worked out in past weeks with Josh always being safe.
I think this intel hurts Josh the most & helps Kevin (he did tell them after all that he was there to cause chaos) and not sure if it improves Hal’s position. Also, b/c everyone is so bitter it might work to get Betty extra votes but I’m not sure if these jurors would reward good gameplay or punish it. Nor am I sure if the jurors would reward Betty for simply being in the lucky position of being BFFs with Josh b/c she truly didn’t (and still doesn’t) know what happened this season to get them to F4.
For now- we await feed’s return to see if we get any insight into the Wendy’s date between Josh/Hal & who won POV. Kevin wanted to study for four hours today but given the comp is happening tonight they won’t get that option (although Hal was in bed with her flour board when feeds were last on).
One thing that is working in the Ghost’s favor is Kevin KNOWS they need to study for things like each juror’s participation in events — things like did Jace win her second POV before or after Gino won his second HOH – which is almost a trick question b/c she won during Gino’s second HOH but it would be after technically. These aren’t questions I think Josh or Betty will think to have studied and while they might know the answers they probably don’t know them off the top of their head.
The problem is they’re playing POV tonight – so much will depend on how much they studied these facts prior to today OR how much can Hal/Kev study prior to the POV comp today & retain those facts?
We’re both aware that they have the houseguests make more than one gbm for each evictee, and they piece together what they want, so…
Production OBVIOUSLY wanted the Haleena message to be the harsh one.
I think it was season 7 where a couple of the houseguests said I hope they used the nice one, not the nasty one in reference to gbms.
My gut tells me TPTB will be gifting Kevin or maybe Haleena this POV. Because we know TPTB are likely to control this comp (individually timed). I honestly don’t see any scenario where one of the Ghosts doesn’t win b/c Kevin would leave if Josh or Betty wins no matter what & maybe I’m delusional but based on the edits that scenario seems like the last thing the producers would want.
Kevin should perform well in this regardless if it’s a typical F4 POV & I think Hal should as well b/c Kevin has been warning/prepping her for the types of questions to expect for weeks. I can’t imagine a scenario where TPTB don’t want Kevin in F3 & b/c they’ve shown so much of the Ghosts I think they’ll want both of them there so maybe it will be Hal winning (fingers crossed). I also think Kevin/Hal winning would offer production the most dramatic plot potential prior to heading to F3.
Things that could happen are Betty spilling Josh’s game & how he’s been saying Kevin played him the entire game? I’d assume we get Kevin completely outing Josh’s game & how he was aligned with Hal/Kevin the entire game & how Josh was laughing about putting her OTB and potentially losing her in the triple.
If this happens Josh has no one to blame but himself b/c he didn’t give Betty an iota of a heads up on the alliance or working with the Ghosts so he’s going to look super suspect to Betty at this point. Depending on the timing of when Kevin/Hal deliver this intel to Betty it could work in their favor — especially if they do it just prior to her leaving b/c there won’t be time for her to fix things with Josh and we’ll get petty Betty. She would end up going to jury feeling played by Josh b/c he tried to make her feel sorry for him & never was remotely forthcoming.
We’ve already got Moose, Hermon & Summer feeling a certain way about Josh but for him to play his BFF this way might go beyond the pale of forgiveness of the majority of the jurors.
I just don’t see any scenario if the Ghosts win POV that Kevin doesn’t blow up the Dummies to Betty & emphasizing Josh’s disregard for Betty & the numerous occasions Kev/Josh were in rooms laughing about Josh screwing over Betty. Because Kev always overplays situations he won’t be able to stop himself from trying to f*ck Josh’s game as she heads to jury & in this case, Haleena has TO LET HIM DO THAT.
For Haleena her download to Betty will be slightly different depending on whether she wins POV or Kevin does (assuming one of them win it). If she wins it she can be far more forthcoming telling Betty she’s always voted to keep her & kept it 100 with her but held back a few things that were essential to her game.
One would be the Ghosts (which she should keep back for her GBM) but she should out the Dummies noting she & Josh had both wanted Betty to be the F4 person with them. This is where she has to explain to Betty how her/Kevin aligned with Marty/showmance while Josh was on the other side so they could keep each other informed but based on how the comps went down it fell on Hal/Kev to do more work than Josh until the triple which was entirely planned out.
She needs to tell Betty working with Marty was a challenge b/c he didn’t always see reason so while they knew they were going to save Josh with Kev’s POV, she had to work Marty hard to put up Hermon & then work the showmance to vote him out instead of Betty. Likewise, she’ll need to say Kevin wasn’t as protective of Josh as she was b/c she was loyal to the Dummies & also Betty to get to F4 even though Betty was never made aware of it.
She also needs to tell Betty how hard she worked to try to keep them off the block in Marty’s final HOH but he refused to listen so when Betty saved herself she spent HOURS working Marty NOT to put up Kevin as it would’ve meant losing one of her F3 people. The best she could do was to get Marty to consider putting up the showmance which was a risk given he chose to do it with Gummy Bears but worked out in their favor.
And she should play a bit to Betty’s heart by saying look it’s hard to separate emotion from mind & even though Josh said he wasn’t going to talk to you when you won HOH right after the triple I was the one telling both of you to fix your relationship b/c you love each other.
The other thing I think she should push to Betty is how the trio would sit in the “?’ room & Josh/Kevin would laugh about how Haleena was the one taking all the heat from the other ladies in the house for the Dummies moves. She should also say Josh ALWAYS knew what was going on b/c she kept him in the loop.
Now the twist—
B/c of how much Kevin has navigated to position himself better with everyone in the house over Haleena I have to say if she could pull in Betty & get her to see why they have to take each other to F2 & how the guys literally laughed at both of them & used them they need to take each other to the end. Personally, I think if Haleena wins POV she has to consider cutting Kevin. Yeah, it’s a heartless move but it could be what wins her the game especially if Hal was convinced Josh knew he couldn’t beat Betty & that Betty also saw that.
Even though Kevin would be heartbroken he would still advocate for Hal to win the game over Josh IMHO b/c he would want one of the Ghosts to win. I doubt it happens (b/c TPTB won’t want that outcome) but it would sure be one of the most iconic moves in the history of BB.
While veto is playing i’m doing some thinking.
Josh said earlier the only reason he’s still in the game is because of a gummibear.
Think way back.
Week three. an argument can be made that Haleena giving warning to Josh is what set the ball rolling in the creation of the alliance to keep him. Sure as heck Hermon didn’t say a word, and he knew for 1/2 a day. the vote would have been the 6-5 vote Hermon wanted setting up a totally different house dynamic. Who even knows what side of the 6-5 Josh would have been on for sure. Haleena playing indecisive and Kevin flipping Marty guaranteed that Josh was staying and the house dynamic shifted. Not a gummibear.
Week six. Kevin saves Josh with veto after the Ghosts convince Marty that he will lose Kevin or Haleena if Hermon isn’t taken out of the game. Would Josh have been safe without veto use if that hadn’t happened? If Kevin had played it safe, Josh or Betty would be gone as of week 6. Not a gummibear.
So… sure, give all the credit to the gummibear. sideye. Without the gummi, the nom choices were either Kevin or Jace in Marty’s head. Another dynamic shift. If Jace, Josh still would have been fine. If Kevin, are we certain how the vote would have fallen? Interesting question, right? Would Gino and Jace have kept the five or gone off with their secondary alliances? the Honeybunch Summer thing or their ceasefire final 4 with Josh and Betty. There’s a thought for you. The final four would have been a different show for sure though. He should be thankful for the gummibear, but realize he most likely stayed anyway.
So sure… put it all down to the gummi. SIdeye. More of that Role Model no blood on these hands and I don’t owe anybody anything crap. HUGE EYEROLL.
If Josh were more of a camtalker, and actually OWNED his game, I wouldn’t have these issues. I have to go from what he says to others. What he’s saying to others is pissing me off.
Another thought.
I do laugh my head off when someone makes Kevin’s head spin because hey, watching him spin for a day is fun (four days is too much spinning and gives me vertigo).
But that’s not the thought.
There was something that kept occurring this season. I classify is as a part of entitlement.
How many times did a nominee say I’m not even going to campaign to insert name?
Every time I heard it (and it was enough to actually take note), my brain said, so you don’t want to stay? Are you too good for that particular vote?
This is the same house that took umbrage with non unanimity. Remember that? Jess and Jay didn’t vote with the house week one: see, they aren’t one of us. Completely useless rogue votes? happened more than once and it was such a big deal…. AND YET, the same people that thought the vote should be unanimous were often the same ones saying I’m not campaigning to blank, I don’t care if they vote for me.
Another superior / inferior big brother class struggle for the season that had me rolling my eyes.
Veto just crossed the four hour mark. so… they are half way through the second member of the final four running the course? Yeah, this is typically the BIG comp of the season that usually combines a physical aspect with knowledge of events.
If I remember correctly, this is the comp in season 7 where a couple of the finalists maxed out on time because they never bothered to learn their days (one because he directly stated he didn’t HAVE to). This is the comp where Brittni tanked because every time someone told her to study her days she rolled her eyes like she had something better to do, and proceeded to lay around doing absolutely nothing. This is the comp that no amount of holding his breath and threatening to quit could propel Keifer to a win. Then again, last season this comp was done on three different sets and they tried to make it look like it was seamless when it took them 12 hours. mmhmm.
Now that Josh is safe no matter what to f3… will he consider throwing this comp so that he doesn’t send someone claiming yet another backstab to the jury round table? That’s LIKELY what happens if he wins this comp. will keep checking for until the comp hits 6 hours (if it hits six hours), and report back with a result.
Okay. when i was saying that I would be happy if anyone won… there’s something i have to completely disregard in order to make that completely true. That Damn d/r gremlining at final 5. Yes, there was gremlining with Marty’s noms that made Kevin look more like a mastermind. But, that’s not the same as illuminating for a final 5 contender that they are being played, and sending them out into the house with that knowledge they didn’t come to through their own game instincts. Anyone wanting to argue but she said she came to that conclusion on her own the night before needs to remember she was still 100% in with her final 3 with Kevin and Hal, and still saying Jace or Josh going is fine and best for her game in her last camtalk about a couple of hours before the infamous d/r session that had her hurriedly grab Josh and give him the same storyline direction.
So if they win, I’ll always have that little voice in the back of my mind saying they were snowed until production ploughed their brains out, and that will always make me think… so they couldn’t even strategize for themselves and because of THAT d/r i’ve had to listen to 6 days of sanctimonious revisionist history from the ‘moral people’ that had no problem with dirty play when it saved their asses multiple times. Grrreeeeeat. So I’ll be happy if anyone wins…. as long as i disregard those damn monkeys in d/r hand holding and spoon feeding stategic awareness to 2 of the final 4. Grade three smiling and shaking my head and telling myselff I can brain drain that…. sure i can. (BUT I SHOULD NEVER HAVE TO).
6AM BBT FEEDS RETURN FOR ONE SECOND (no really)
cam 1 betty asleep in bed
cam 2 haleena asleep in bed
20 seconds later cams return in HOH on cam 3 and 4. nightcam.
Josh awake. filling water pouring a drink. snacking. putting on earbuds.
looking at pictures. NOT TALKING. listening to music.
Mumbling.
I THINK JOSH WON VETO BUT DON’T QUOTE ME.
I think i heard the words ‘take him off’ and then a minute later ‘take Betty off.’
About seven minutes of staring into camera and ice clinking in glass. about 10 seconds of mumbling, more clinking of ice and slurping, then about 5 seconds of mumbling. SO REALLY, DON”T QUOTE ME.
Cams switch back to one and two. sleeping Hal and Betty.
Meh. I’ll find out for sure later.
Going back to bed.
If you got up early to check the feeds and witnessed Josh up by himself and thought hmmmm that’s weird WHEN has Josh EVER been the first one up? You aren’t alone.
But upon learning later that he won POV suddenly it makes sense b/c now he has to backstab one of his main alliances.
Another Name has better hearing than me b/c I couldn’t make anything out.
Aside from Josh potentially saying “I take him off” (Kevin) “I take her off” (Betty) social media also had someone think they heard him say “Betty and I’ve been in a secret thing”
He also went to Expedia looking to find Betty (she wasn’t there).
If we follow this path it would seem like he intends to take Betty off the block so she can be the one to backstab (not him). BUT he’s going to get dirty regardless b/c of how he set this up.
First, he’s told Haleena he won’t put her OTB b/c he doesn’t want to ruin her “never nominated record” and while technically she isn’t being nominated b/c she’s the default player remaining he’d still be breaking his word to her.
Second, he’s told the CTD he’s still F3 with them & Kevin that he’s his F2 so the ONLY reason to take Betty off the block is to F the Dummies and specifically Kevin.
Third, if he actually says “Betty and I had a secret thing” THAT is going to require Betty to lie as well since they never made a F2 and never had a secret deal — this is a new invention from Josh & his actions at the triple (and in the DR) prove his only true alliance was to the Dummies. Plus – if he actually had a secret F2 Betty then why the F doesn’t she know about the CTD?
Hey – look if he wants payback (PETTY) for last week then just own it, buddy.
So — Hal & Kevin are planning to pull Betty aside a half hour prior to the vote and telling her everything about the Dummies (in case she is the one going to jury – but also to sink Josh in case she is the one staying— while neither one of them is saying it you can tell they think Josh is going to pull Betty off the block). How will Betty deal with learning this information? And if Josh then says “we had a secret thing” but never told her about the Dummies will she shift from thinking Kevin was the evil genius to believing the same about Josh?
Fwiw – if Betty were to win the Final HOH I don’t think she would take Josh over Hal b/c she knows she won’t beat him. Josh even told her BEFORE he won these last 2 comps that they BOTH beat Kevleena.
So the fact Josh is up stress eating is b/c he finally has to do something and will be marred by that action b/c his INITIAL desire is to cut Kevin who he’s most worried about beating him (and that’s probably a correct assessment).
So look – Kevin had this coming – of that there is no doubt. Kevin really overplayed last week saying things to Betty he shouldn’t have (unless he was going to follow through & cut Josh). When she made up with Josh he learned all about it. But Kevin isn’t in this position for those reasons – he’s in this position b/c TPTB SUNK HIS GAME.
I noted last week that when the Gremlins called Betty into the DR and her sudden “Kevin is a mastermind devil” epiphany occurred it was the first time I recalled production blatantly interfering with the player most likely to win the game at that stage of the game. It was why I sort of expected TPTB to gift either Kevin or Haleena the POV win. And STILL, I’m shocked production would go out of their way to ruin Kevin’s game & essentially take $100k (or $20k at worst if the jury was bitter). Of note: apparently Kevin went first in the POV challenge but got sick (his abdomen locked up??? – was it those pork chops? – YIKES).
Of note – Kevin was second in the HOH comp (they had to put balls in holes for the specific dates something happened & it sounds like the instrument they used favored Josh b/c of the sheer size & weight of it). POV sounds like it was a maze & Haleena was second. So of course the duo is second guessing this morning if they would then have been HOH/POV if they’d kept Jace instead of Josh.
Josh has looked at the jury votes prior and worried (out loud) that Betty could beat him so I do think his preference is to take Haleena as he believes the jury won’t value her run of staying off the block. I think that assessment is wrong – but he might be right about picking Hal since no one seems to value Hal’s game.
The question is if he screws Kevin, and then Betty to take Hal how that will be perceived. If Kevin tells them he made up a last-minute F2 with Betty to evict him & then he also cuts Betty he’ll be positioning himself as someone who was loyal to no one.
Factor in Kevin will be telling them all how Josh just sat back making fun of all the jurors, admitted to throwing comps, laughed at how gullible they all were & how all he had to do was flirt with them & act like he cared about their personal stories for them to offer him F2 deals he had no intention of honoring AND called them all stupid b/c all they care about is comp wins — HOW will that go over?
Again, Kevin did this to himself by overplaying and YES he did get the major shaft by Production b/c Betty NEVER comes to the conclusion she did last week about Kevin if the Gremlins didn’t interfere. For Hal to be cut now it would also mean the producers have stepped in and demanded an about face from both Betty & Josh which would make THEM look like idiots.
If Kevin is indeed the evictee he’ll work that jury hard to turn them in favor of Haleena who seems very much like a lock to go to F2 at this point.
Like Another Name, I’m annoyed by this shift to Josh’s self-righteous hero stance especially when he’s been as cutthroat & evil as Kevin if not more so – the difference being Josh REFUSES to own it. I urge you to go back & watch his face during the triple when Summer & Betty are either screaming or crying to him & note his lack of empathy or remorse — he could give two F’s.
Josh’s lone strategy from what I can decipher was to flirt with people & throw comps until the end knowing he’d likely sweep the final comps as long as Gino & Hermon (Jace) were gone b/c he’s an athlete.
I found his arrogance annoying and I didn’t like the pettiness (entitlement – I’m allowed to treat you a certain way but don’t you dare treat me like that – with Kevin this past week being the perfect example).
WHILE I WAS WRITING — THIS HAPPENED…
Josh got clarification from DR & now realizes he isn’t the person evicting he’s “choosing who gets to come to F3” Which of course Josh is spinning so it makes him look like he’s not the bad guy.
Betty went to see Josh & gave him her speech – didn’t earn her way – he shouldn’t feel obligated to take her b/c she didn’t earn it – friendship means more to her than the game & respects his decision- cool with whatever choice he makes – would vote for him if she’s in jury- MIRRORED HIS GAME PLAY – HONESTY- AUTHENTICITY, PLAYING WITH HEART (yikes). She tells Josh she’s never lied to him (LIE) and promises to take him to F2 (I don’t believe she would, especially once she learns about the Dummies)
His response – No matter what we’ll always be friends, and I do really want to sit beside you at F2. He emphasizes he isn’t the one evicting he is only choosing who gets to come to F3 with him & if he gives her the POV (removes her) then SHE has to decide. She tells him she will do whatever he wants. He also says he feels she’s the only one who has been real with him the entire game.
Instead of pushing for him to do that she goes on a spiel about advocating for him in the jury (WHY Betty – why?).
Josh says I need to keep thinking & I definitely have an idea of what I’m doing which I will feel very good about. He does say he feels she’s been very honest in this game & does sort of imply she is who he will save.
The question is whether he looks at her as being the only one who can potentially beat him (underdog/popular in jury) and the fact she really pushed being his advocate if in jury & would vote for him OR if he takes her commitment to take him to F2 as more valuable.
His final comment is “if I do save you – would you be willing to go over with me who we keep for it to help both our games” Ummm Josh do you not realize there won’t be time to discuss it b/c you select who comes off the block & then that person IMMEDIATELY votes someone out. He also asks who she is leaning toward cutting – she says Kevin. Josh tells Betty Kevin would take her F2 over him & Betty STUPIDLY tells him Hal would take her too & told her that.
Betty admits to telling both Kevin & Hal she would take them to F2 but she was lying. (that’s another out for Josh if he wants). Josh responds so basically everyone is saying they would take everyone.
They discuss pros & cons briefly of Kev/Hal with Betty pushing for Kev to go while Josh notes Hal’s close performance in comps but NOT liked by the jury whereas Kevin has masterminded. Josh tells Betty someone told me you are definitely NOT taking me & she asks who – Josh won’t say (but Betty guesses Kevin).
Kevin also jumped on Josh coming out of DR & is telling him both Hal/Betty will cut him (man Kev at least you’re consistent — if not very desperate).
Josh tells Kevin he’s not sure who has a better chance of winning between Betty/and Haleena – my guess is Kev will push Betty based on 5x’s on the block, two big comp wins, loved by jury (friends in there) & the underdog.
I didn’t get to see this whole convo & also didn’t get a chance to go back & watch it before they went off air.
So here’s my tin foil spin — with Josh’s arrogance & the DR Gremlins keeping him in there for quite some time there is a potential for Josh to let Hal or Kev decide who stays … WHY? B/c production’s storyline has been about the Ghosts most of the season (never Josh & never Betty until late in the season) with Kevin being the guy featured in most episodes.
Plus — evicting Hal makes no sense for Betty to do instead of Kevin – even TPTB would have a hard time editing that to make sense.
The main reason I also believe Josh would go along with that choice is he probably thinks he can win out over anyone now (that arrogance remember) so it doesn’t matter who he keeps & if he lets Hal cut Betty the blood is on her hands.
Of course if I’m Haleena I’d probably consider evicting Kevin (LOL) as long as I knew Josh & Betty were taking me – it would be the biggest move of the season. Doubtful Hal would ever do it but I’d be more impressed by her doing it than Betty (for Josh).
AND they go off air — Arisa has called them to the living room – She tells them “in less than an hour the F4 will become the F3 – welcome to our special eviction”.
The question is – are they immediately going into the eviction? OR do they have some time to prepare for this (ie – last minute talks). If the latter – my guess is Kevin jumps on Josh first even though he already spoke to him & Haleena also needs to talk to him – I’d also expect while Haleena is talking to Josh for Kevin to spill all the Dummies intel to Betty.
CONJECTURE
A social media sleuth apparently with better sound than me apparently says that Josh plans to lie and say he had a secret duo alliance with Betty all game long to justify his move. Their official deal is 6 days old, tops. But since Josh had a final 2 with everyone in week one, maybe he can jigger logic out of that with some editing help.
AM
Social Media didn’t seem to know at all who won. I was don’t quote me but pretty sure Josh won when i went back to sleep, so didn’t rush because I figured the dude isn’t going to start communicating now to the cams, so why rush until everyone is awake and someone actually says it out loud.
Kevin plans to tell Josh he’ll cut Hal but also plans to tell Josh Hal will suck at the trivia.
He told this to Hal.
Josh went to expedia looking for Betty. Betty was still in bed.
Kevin went fist in veto. Remember that porkchop I said was dangerous looking?
Kevin got sick during veto. Went straight to bed.
Haleena came in second in veto from the sound of it.
Hal isn’t even sure if Josh would keep her over Betty (never told Kevin was a possible target).
Not even 100% sure Josh actually wants to go to the end with Betty given some of the comments he made about the jury.
Josh says he slept great in HOH… to the 2 people that never were HOH. passive aggressive?
Betty isn’t even sure Josh would keep her over Kevin and Hal. (Josh’s communication skills REALLY SUCK).
See what I said about Josh’s lack of communication we all thought was strategic? Starting to think he’s just a thought hoarder.
Kevin sings they fuqed up keeping Josh. Gee, I’m pretty sure Jace would have won at least one of those comps considering. Where they actually screwed up? LOL… don’t kill me, but the actual error was probably the triple.
Josh… might still be under the impression he is the vote.
Betty plotting out her talk with Josh ‘whatever you plan to do is okay.’
THEY KNOW TODAY IS POV CEREMONY.
Everyone is chilling and nobody has apparently EVER watched a season to KNOW there isn’t a POV ceremony at 4. It’s an eviction.
Kevin to HOH
Kevin gets to Josh before Betty. He’s saying both Betty and Hal will cut Josh, but Kevin wouldn’t. (fresh out of his d/r and looking for Josh while Betty still sits in her usual expedia spot).
Josh now knows he’s not voting (thank you earlier d/r).
Josh is saying if Betty goes Summer is more pissed. If Hal goes she might poison jury or might not.
Kevin is trying to convince Josh not to use the veto. Kevin gone is worse for Josh.
Kevin says Josh WILL win one of the first 2 parts of final HOH more easily if Betty goes.
Josh asks why it’s better to cut Betty (ED. MY PITCH WOULDA BEEN: this jury broke alliances constantly, but valued loyalty… so being disloyal to the alliance is actually worse than cutting a friend is my answer… but that’s just my take on this jury). JOSH doesn’t know how the final 3 HOH works. Kevin explained it.
Kevin says Josh wouldn’t be evicting Betty, Haleena would as the vote.
Kevin says he’d be flattered if Josh sent him home (1 comp win, invisible game blahblahblah).
Josh keeps saying something switched in Betty over the last 2 weeks.
Josh says he didn’t backstab anyone, they just made false assumptions that he was closer to them than he was (oh ffs… HERE we go with a preview of I was a good boy role model hero game bullshit he’ll tell the press).
Kevin called to D/R.
THE BIG ERROR LAST WEEK that is determining A LOT of the thought process this week??? Kevin’s internal Chaos Waffle Buffet for FOUR DAYS. They should have decided once, and that’s it. Like Haleena wanted when they shook hands the first time. Kevin’s boredom and need for entertaining himself while not in danger. That’s what they have to overcome NOW. Betty to HOH.
Betty gives Josh the I’m okay if you decide to get rid of me opening. sideye.
Betty says she wants to sit next to Josh at final 2. Josh says he wants to sit final 2 with Betty, he’s not sure if the others have been real with him, but Betty has (ed. except when she lied and said Kevin was in her ear about noms and she was undecided until then…. she camtalked before that happened). Betty tells Josh she will advocate for him in the jury.
Betty tells Josh if she is removed from the block she will make the best move for them going into the final 3.
Josh feels really good about his decision.
IF Josh uses veto on Betty, is she willing to let him have some say in her decision? Dude seems to think they get a day or two after pov… it’s done on the spot.
Betty says Kevin is more dangerous, they can beat Haleena even though she is better at comps than Kevin. Josh agrees.
Josh learns everyone is lying to each other about who they would take to final 2…. but Betty isn’t lying to Josh. They think Kevin is lying about having no connections to the jury.
Josh is telling Betty that Kevin said she wouldn’t take him to finals.
Betty admits to saying anything she had to say to get further in the game ( ED. that started last week, not 10 weeks ago dear and another but i’m not lying now).
Betty wants Josh to represent the season, if he decides to cut her, she sings his praises to the jury.
They are undecided who to evict because Kevin sucks at comps, but gut says evict Kevin.
Haleena has been doing better in comps than Kevin.
TERA was not allowed to say who she would used Veto on last season if you are wondering why JOSH the incommunicative hasn’t just SAID. Betty is sorta saying she will evict whoever Josh wants.
JOSH never said for SURE who he wants evicted. His thought process was HAL because of her comp performance in veto, but his petty side still wants KEVIN out. Kev/Hal
Kevin tells Hal if he is voted out today, make sure he is NOT voted out of Jury ala season 3 Parhar. Kevin would want Hermon voted nullified.
Arisa time. 2pm BBT. (nailed that hunch). Everyone runs to living room.
Eviction is in less than an hour. FEEDS CUT.
NO evidence. Just my assessment:
Josh tells Betty he wants Haleena cut.
If he’s being strategic:
He thinks both Betty and Kevin could / would take him to f2.
He thinks he and Betty can both beat Kevin in the final 3 comps (even though he doesn’t know what the comps are really).
It guarantees him final 2 in his head.
If he’s being heart over head:
He still feels closer to Kevin knowing Kevin lied to him than he does Haleena.
If he’s listening to prodo:
she’s got 50 d/r everyone else has closer to 100.
Josh/Betty were full-on cutting Kevin since the DR Gremlins ruined his game last week. It’s ONLY this morning after (SHOCKER) a lengthy DR that Josh seemed to be leaning toward Hal.
Up until today he said Hal not going OTB isn’t a big deal – jury won’t care b/c she never had to fight to save herself, jury doesn’t like her & she can’t beat me in the trivia comps (that’s true it’s Kevin who has performed better in those comps – & if he gets to Part 3 I think he can beat Josh whereas Hal gets flustered & likely would lose).
Since he seemed to shift in his last chat we saw with Betty I think DR is pushing him to keep Kev but he doesn’t want to keep both Hal/Kev which means Hal has to go.
Ticks me off The Powers That Be got involved at F5 to ruin the Ghosts chances of reaching F2 when they were the best players this season. It’s one thing to stick their noses in during the season but to do it this late is really shocking.
Imagine being locked in a house for close to 3 months having played the best game & then production blows up your chances of winning $100k but hey here’s $500/week for your trouble. I’d be PISSED!
Grab a coffee, sit back, and ponder this: TINFOIL HAT CHAT
Way i saw it:
so the guy in the first named alliance also in the first big alliance that had safety week one and is a new protocol to Kassting inclusion wet dream (lgbt native but also black professional… come on a pediatrics resident?) quickly bombed in d/r and proved too passive to carry a storyline…. enter Kevin to keep him safe with help from Haleena. So Kevin gets his mastermind villain edit he wanted in his intro with social cue reader Haleena’s aid… until it’s time for the third act.
For Haleena’s part i’m convinced she was meant to be evicted before jury, but my theory Jess wanted out caused prodo to alter the plan, and could that have involved a condition? Maybe.
Back to the crux:
But how to clean up any role model image damage…. oh we need a patsy to get all the responsibility for every disloyal or dirty move Josh made? Call Kevin in here and tell him to flip the vote countless times (explains Kevin’s upset moment after leaving d/r where he says he’s not here to make tv he’s here for the money, all while crying), then call in Betty to give her the scoop on Kevin’s game so that any spillage or seepage of dirty game can be taken off the role models’ shoulders and leveled on the guy that WANTS the villain edit.
SO now the villain has what he wants, the role model can claim cleanly game…
Is there any way we can keep BOTH to finale? Was that a condition agreed to when approaching Kevin to tank himself inexplicably? Call Josh into d/r, let’s see what we can do before we roll the executive producer’s tape. Can’t promise anything, it’s a bit late after the last gremlining to undo it…. he isn’t exactly Marty, we can’t dangle his meds and a gummibear.
I mean… This is bbcan. It’s reality entertainment programing with a pseudo gameshow format framework.
Is ANY of that IMPOSSIBLE knowing what we know about how the program works?
I mean how many times did Spicy V say this program is totally real and nothing is faked like she was reading a proof of life script in her own abduction? HEAVY SIGH TIME
AT LEAST they didn’t go full on KevinRobertMartin and Johnny or KevinRobertMartin and William or Tychon and Breydon mode in the straight guy manipulates the gay houseguest because lgbt means they can’t think logically everything is about sex trope.. though they flirted with it.
AND at the very least we didn’t have a Schlumpy Eeyore tries to get Chelsea drunk to get some while she’s incapacitated moment… or the Schlumpy Eeyore refuses to use blood veto on Keira because Keira wouldn’t showmance and put out moment…. or any of the Jed and Keifer call Austin a bitch and plot evicting her for days because Jed’s horny and Austin said no moments.
At least we didn’t have a Chelsea agreed to showmance at casting, then changed her mind but we already showed Adam her pic and he was into it… what good is she, cut her inclusion in storyline and evict her moment.
And thank your local deity, At least we didn’t have a Willow whispering and writing on hands that casting told her to play straight and make eyes at Zac moment.
Man, this show really has a history when it comes to some pretty dark disturbing socio-sexual underbelly. LOOK NOW I”M SHRUGGING TIME
But I think I’ve been pretty good until the last little while about being my usual cynic. I mean remember my COUNTLESS rants about Keifer and production, d/rmokeys, and edit manipulation? Seriously, I practically Linda Blair’d my screen in exorcist mode EVERY time he went to d/r to threaten to quit, then got his way after feed cut upon feed cut. Let alone the happy clown mastermind edit for episodes. oh those were twilight zone meets Ripley’s believe it or… nope we made that shit up. CAN YOU BELIEVE IT’S FINALE AND MY NOPE LIST DIDN’T REALLY HAPPEN THIS TIME?
Ohhhhhhh SO close SO many times, but i decided to be good and nice and (hugest eyeroll EVER) oh so booooooorrring. I’m not even sure if I actually NOPED Marty… and if ever a horse’s ass needed a gooooood noping. Did I nope him? See, that’s how bad it is…. I don’t even KNOW if I noped him. (throws hands up in disgust at myself).
Who got real close to noping: Marty, Hermon, Jace, Jay and Kyle together because that particular feed block really pissed me off. Oh, and…. shhhh… I almost noped Summer one or four times (don’t tell twitter, those Summer stans… oy fukkety vey).
So much abstinence and delayed gratification… pretty much a NOPELESS season… damn i should be noped for failing to nope. (sneering singsong voice) Next time I try to be nice for a whole season somebody REALLY needs to stop me. Oh wait, is that why my posts under my usual name were blocked? Hahaha… did I get reported to the Nope authority and just kept right on posting? Yes it took me three or four days to notice.
One last thing:
remember every single one of Betty’s moral outrages about lying? Did you catch her talk with Josh where she said she’s been saying whatever she needs to say to stay in the game? Where’s her pearl clutching and screaming now? Oh. riiight, only really EVER applied to others as much as the whole honest to a fault label was adhered to her (who gave Betty that gluestick?). Seriously, a good lie in big brother is wonderful. A sanctimony stick up a houseguest’s ass… not so wonderful.
Hunch 2
Again, pure conjecture:
Betty would prefer to get rid of Kevin.
She’s petty.
Does Betty do what Josh wants her to do, or what her pettiness dictates and get rid of the one her d/r has been calling the evil mastermind of the season?
Does KEVIN mention the Dummies in his speech, outing that Josh has again been lying to Betty?
He should. But….
Was wondering precisely the same thing… They have an hour to get ready (dressed/pack/do quick pitch talks) & then do the eviction so it’ll be chaotic for sure.
The main question is does Josh want to blindside (Kev or Hal -assuming that’s where he’s going) OR does he want to soften the blow & let them know?
After lengthy Josh DR this AM it seemed Josh had shifted to keep Kev (TPTB making up for screwing his game last week? – so now they’ll just screw Hal I guess).
Kevin FOR SURE spews esp if he’s the one cut – he’ll out CTD F3, likely tell Betty he laughed about nominating/evicting her, & I think he’ll tell Betty that he isn’t the villain of BB10 – Josh is. It’ll just be a steady stream of things Josh has told him that won’t sit well with Betty & will send Josh running for the kitchen.
Unfortunately, I doubt Hal does anything negative – Still, I hope she says Josh good luck on your finale speech – not sure how you explain your strategy of laying on your back while Kev & I did all the work to ensure our F3 Crash Test Dummy was safe- but hey nice to know the one & only time you had to repay my loyalty you ‘Fd me – I’ll be sure to let the jury know your strategy was to appeal to our hearts but neglected to say you don’t have one.
I also envision Kevin being Kevin (if he stays)- where he’ll start laughing & talking publicly about what a villain Josh is for F*cking over Hal – calling him an assassin, a villain, heartless, that he could screw one of the Crash Test Dummies at F4 is mind-blowing. It’ll make Josh super uncomfortable but with him trying to push this holier than thou hero edit and to be frank -he’s gets no sympathy from me. He SHOULD have told Betty about the CTD & said – they turned on me obviously – the fact he didn’t tell her might give whoever stays out of the Dummies a shot at her taking them instead if she has the choice.
Because I didn’t see all of the Josh/Kevin chat & the feeds are done for the season I went to social to get people’s takes.
Most thought Josh was SUDDENLY leaning to keep Kevin & Betty NOT Haleena & Betty which is where he was forever — so yeah if that’s the case for sure production got in his ear.
He was really pushing Betty on whether she would work with him to do what was best for “their games” READ: HIS GAME.
Kevin was the one who told Josh that Betty was lying through her teeth & has NO INTENTION of taking Josh to F2 & he pushed how she could beat Josh in the F2.
Josh told Kevin if I cut Betty than Summer will be even madder & if I cut Haleena she’ll be really upset. (slip of the tongue by Josh – b/c he’s NOT cutting anyone although saving Betty to make the cut is essentially the same thing so apples – oranges)
The issue for Josh is Kevin wants to evict Betty & she wants to evict Kevin – however Betty would likely acquiesce to do what Josh wanted & I’ll be mega pissed if it’s Hal but oh well – that’s the Gremlins for you.
Ultimately, Josh believes he can beat either Hal or Kevin in a F2 and isn’t sure he can beat Betty. The issue for Josh is he doesn’t trust Kev or Hal to take him to F2 over each other (or Betty) but believes Betty will (WILL SHE?).
But again – his arrogance will make him believe he wins out although some of his comments to Betty suggested he’s a bit concerned Hal could beat him in a comp – so funny to me you’re saying this to someone & never saying “beat us” so he doesn’t think Betty can win anything.
The problem with Josh’s thinking here is it’s actually Kevin who is better at trivia than Hal so in the 3-part finale there is the likelihood of Josh winning part 1 endurance then Kevin (or Hal) beating Betty in part 2. If he keeps Kevin I could see him beating Josh in P3 – not so sure about Hal being able to do that. So if Josh (via Production) pushes Betty to keep Kevin it could be a game losing decision.
tbh:
if season five and season three had a baby and left it to be raised by season 6 and d/r, but told it not to do anything wildly entertaining when d/r isn’t looking… that would be this season.
i’m happy they’ve changed the storyline enough that i’m not sure of winner (though week one still told me likely josh in terms of the formula points they did answer).
as a result of bbcan9 and bb23, social media thought every season will be black v. white and every poc should side black and be happy to stand at the door when it’s their time to go.
I give the season a better rating than 6 (my absolute worst ranked season, i even put 8 above it and that was a dumpster fire before covid)… but it tried too hard, and had too much feed blockage even for bbcan to rate it in my top 5 of canada seasons.
The episode edit of the season was actually one of the most biased and unrealistic compared to feeds i’ve seen in canada.
Better answer for you, Simon.
Remember in season 7 when everyone was Hunting for spoilers for whether Anthony voted out Adam or Schlumpy? I mean, HUGE spoiler chase.
Yeah we didn’t get that.
Remember in season 9 when everyone was sure that Keifer was going, and there was a massive spoiler hunt to see who won part one and part 2 of HOH?
Yeah, we didn’t get that either.
So, judging by the lack of people running around like headless chickens trying to get any scoop????
Not so good.
OH.
BTW. THE ARISA TIME:
TAPED not LIVE.
How can you tell?
The timed pauses between her statements. for reactions.
Didn’t do that last season.
Last moments:
Hal to Josh / Betty coming down the stairs: pleasekeepmepleasekeepmepleasekeepme.
Remember last year when Tera had a full talk with all three before the cams went out…. we even got that HORRIBLE Keifer pitch: Keep me because the whole jury will vote me to win, then sulking and being borderline belligerent as he was wont to do when he didn’t get his way? Cams stayed on for that, and her talk with HOH Ty, and her talk with Breydon. Interesting.
I still say Hal is the more obvious evictee from the edit standpoint.
I do say Kevin is the more obvious evictee from Betty and Josh’s perspective (and let’s be honest, he’s the better choice to evict given the jury).
I do say if Josh wants to keep his role model keeps his word stuff… he’s pooched because EVERYONE has his word at this point.
Chance Josh leaves noms the same: almost zero unless there’s an hour long Dummies strong push after cams go down.
Chance Josh saves Betty: far geater than saving Kevin.
Thought – by letting Kevin go first in the POV comp TPTB were setting it up for him to win (usually the winners go first while the last one to play typically has the worst score from sitting around getting tired).
But it sounds like Kevin got super sick during the comp – his stomach locked up – he referred to it as his abdomen ceasing & perhaps there was no way for production to BS & say he won. He also made it sound like he left the comp & went straight to bed and says he’ll explain more when he’s out (not to be gross but perhaps he threw up or had a case of diarrhea). Sure sounds like he got really sick (blame those damn pork chops they weren’t sure if had gone off that Josh made – lol).
Still – I’m surprised by the POV outcome – Josh was NEVER a player TPTB touted & Betty only really got in the mix late in the season. Of the 4 it was Kevin who got the most exposure in the national show & was one of two (Haleena) of the literal best players this season.
I feel bad if Hal is the one who gets cut b/c TPTB first messed with Kevin last week & therefore helped Betty & Josh while if they interfere again this week (which seems to be happening) the person I feel played the best game is the one who’ll get shafted (Haleena) & b/c she isn’t beloved in the social feeds she likely won’t even win the $10k which Kev or Betty at least have a shot at winning.
Overall it was a good season +I never got to a place of disliking a hamster to the degree I have in other seasons. Like Another Name, I also enjoyed that the self-anointed “cool kids” didn’t rule the season & instead the cast-offs were the ones who held the power.
That’s not to say there weren’t times when the hamsters got on my nerves or did some annoying things – – like
how Betty & Jace would become mean girls (Summer occasionally but not as much), especially toward Hal.
Summer’s sole reason for playing BB was to gain exposure (yet she was fun on the feeds & was really the only player this season who seemed to be using BB as a catalyst for social popularity/another career – and that’s refreshing)
Hermon & Moose buying their own hype of running the house,
Marty being completely unpredictable & demonstrating an uncomfortable bias at times
Gino & the showmance displaying the worst hypocrisy of do as I say – not as I do
Kevin while entertaining occasionally being a little too chaotic to the point it hurt his allies,
Josh’s arrogance & ridicule of others
Jace trash-talking the other women & straight-up saying the others were BENEATH them
(these last 2 things were the most annoying for me personally)
& of course the typical hypocrisy.
But when you’re being filmed 24-7 there is going to be something about everyone that annoys us. Overall, I really did like this cast – once again very much likely tied to the fact the Ghosts ran the show & kept things competitive and exciting.
Sadly, it’s unlikely the Ghosts both get through this F4 eviction so my hope for them to both reach F2 is probably dead but I’ll be hoping one of them still reaches F2 and wins the game.
Betty or Josh winning is fine but neither were the best players this season – Betty wasn’t even fully playing until the Triple if we’re being honest & Josh only kicked it into gear at F5.
Some might compare Josh’s game to BB20 US hamster Kaycee as she is athletically gifted and also held back in competitions until later in the game. But there are several differences between her versus Josh. KC had a STRONG F2 with Tyler (they touched base & game talked daily), she was in a solid alliance of (Level 6), played a flawless social game & worked closely with Tyler to drive the strategy (although he & Angela were far and away the more strategically active).
In Josh’s case his BFF Betty & he RARELY talked game – rather they gossiped & made fun of people. He lay around in the Expedia room eating and laughing. His social game was flirting & getting people to tell him personal things to trust him then using that to make them believe he had their backs (Hermon, Moose & Summer being the ones he shafted the worst). He didn’t go out of his way to create bonds with everyone socially & he wasn’t making strategic decisions.
He NEVER shared information with his own allies (Betty) and seldom shared information even with his closest alliance (Ghosts/CTD). Instead, he hung out in Expedia with Betty (and Summer) eating & gossiping – got filled in by the Ghosts on what was happening, and let them ensure his safety (never needing to pitch until last week) & let the Ghosts dictate who should be targeted each week then made it happen.
The perfect example of how little Josh was doing occurred in the double & the triple. First in the double — if he was truly playing he would’ve had Betty primed to take out Gino and that would’ve been on lock beforehand. During the triple – in spite of the Dummies repeatedly discussing what would NEED to happen & who would need to be targeted Josh not only hadn’t done any prep work with Summer & Betty he didn’t do any damage control during the triple or immediately after.
Like Another Name I’ve sullied on Josh especially in this last week b/c of the shift to him suddenly pitching this Hero – I’m a good guy stance. While Kevin delighted in the chaos and crushing people’s hopes the person who enjoyed it equally if not more (b/c those people were more closely attached to him) was Josh.
That he’s trying to recreate history as if we didn’t see what happened is insulting. And hey, in this circumstance even TPTB are F’d on his switch b/c it wasn’t just the live feeders who know this to be true — it’s the national audience who also know given how much air they gave the Ghosts/Dummies this season. Cue the DR of Josh -“the only alliance I’m loyal to is the Crash Test Dummies”. If he had taken the stance THEY turned on me so this is revenge it could fly – but to pretend the Dummies never existed & his F2 with Betty was made prior to week 10 is BULLSH*T.
Last season there was a push to either have Keifer or Tychon win the season from the get so I wondered this year if there would be an equal focus on Josh winning to become the first indigenous winner. TPTB never seemed to take that stance in the national show but with the individually timed comp being allowed (by TPTB that typically CHOSE who wins) to go to Josh I’m now second-guessing if that’s their direction.
Anyway – good season, decent F4 – Josh likely going to win – – meh — I’d prefer Haleena or Kevin but it is what it is.
We’ll await the news of which Ghost got cut & I’ll lick my wounds in the corner if it was Hal, who even if she stays would have a hard time winning (or reaching F2) anyway.
I understand why you appreciate Hal’s game. Honesty, I liked many aspects of her game as well.
There were errors though.
While Kevin was final 2ing everyone, what was she doing? Nothing. Sure i commend the nightly Josh chats she had, and kept to herself. But what did she do with them? She was the Wendy’s guest, and left that meal without having manipulated the final HOH. She volunteered to be a nominee if other conversations are true.
Why was she playing far more for the pair than for herself? She noted it four times. She didn’t alter the behavior.
When the second through fourth vote flips happened last week, why did she entertain them? At any time she could have said sit down, shut up, this is what we’re going to do. Nope, she let everything get sketchier and sketchier.
Biggest error: as the better social reader that figured out Josh and Betty were reconciled, why did she listen to Kevin’s reads that Josh was still with them? She knew better. She SHOULD have cozied up to one or the other of Josh and Betty more in the last week.
Given her edit, and given Josh’s personality (stay in the middle): who would Josh want evicted? Haleena noted weeks ago Josh is the middle guy. She should have made sure she was on one of his two poles, not adjacent to one of Josh’s poles. They shared a bed for 5 weeks. They shared a room alone for a week. She missed an opportunity.
If she stays, everything I just wrote is still true.
GOODS AND BADS: Good:
vetoes got used. There wasn’t a whole lot of go with the house talk, because the house was never a house due to superior and inferior class structure being part of the tone the first HOH set.
we had strategy, not just highschool pecking order. oh the pecking order existed. it just wasn’t adhered to.
Production has changed their pattern somewhat. I created a list of questions to answer with every premiere that I started using in bbcan 3. FOR THE FIRST TIME, all of those questions weren’t answered in episode one. I take that to be growth. Still answered 2 of those questions, and both had the answer Josh, but progress.
Production informed more this season when feeds would be down overnight. BIG Progress. Good or Bad depending on perspective:
A PATTERN WILL POSSIBLY BE BROKEN. The newest pattern to emerge in recent seasons of bbcan is the winner’s closest ally leaves at 4. It’s happened in the last 3 seasons and in season 3.
6 times the final 4 hoh made final 2. I think that pattern happens again. Edit seemed to go hard on the ‘i was manipulated angle redeemed role model’ crap. Bad:
Production stopped even TRYING to hide production manipulation. Marty’s HOH’s, Betty’s d/r before veto tipping her to storyline.
Feeds were down more than up, and all four feeds maybe happened 30% of the time feeds were actually running.
We’ve got to stop thinking of every big brother season as a racewar. This season 16 people played big brother canada.
They’re still doing a prefeed eviction. boo.
They stopped keeping feeds on past final 4 eviction. okay, that was LONG ago, but I still miss seeing the final three trying to strategize on the fly. We saw it a few times in early seasons, I liked it. Cutting feeds at four just for the shock of who is final 3 to try to drive up finale viewer numbers is just another slap to loyal feed viewers.
I still say the edit is Invisileena to the point that she should not make final 3.
I still say getting rid of Kevin is the smarter move.
I will have more and more problems with a Josh victory if that’s the way it shakes out, because I’ve been criticizing his game all season with the point of view that he would be the production pick for winning. But leave it at the clean game bullshit.
Betty? Another clean game bullshit with an underdog rising edit.
Kevin? Season long episode edit fulcrum of all action and strategic play.
Haleena? as far as the episodes go…. WHO? No really. Until week four all we knew was friends with Steph and Jace…. and the supposed fifth locked vote to evict Josh. That’s it…oh and klutz night one. NOTHING else. She went for episodes on end having zero d/r and maybe a facial reaction shot every few weeks. As far as the house talking about treatment disparity by gender: just look at Kevin’s edit vs. Haleena’s. Production did that.
member of first alliance shown on screen: honeybunch narrows to those 4.
creator in episode was jace, which would usually give her an edge, but all 4 would be looked at. summer is given least possibility because she was first to enter and that’s still a canada curse.
member of the first major big alliance setting up a season long dynamic: savage 7. overlap members gino, josh, summer.
summer has already been deemed least possibe for first entry. Removes Jace but creator still can cast a little doubt… but huge favor goes to GIno or Josh.
So, i needed to think.
then: not an official question but something that i take note of as being an indicator after we just came off of bbcan9: who had week one immunity: overlap is Josh, Gino eliminated in my mind.
what was missing: a pair making a duo watch your back pact wasn’t in first episode.
there were zero d/r in episode one… so no first d/r saying i’m going to win big brother.
NOBODY got the edit of being more invested via d/r in week one’s plot that wasn’t in any danger, so had no reason to be so invested.
While I couldn’t be certain, the indicator was Josh, so I kept that in mind.
I tried to think about the things you point out & I thought one of Hermon or Kevin were the early nods based on Hermon’s activity (but he was also HOH) & the amount of DRs (which was if I recall predominantly Hermon, Kev & Jess – but I knew they (Jess) was doomed from the start).
The ONLY reason I looked at Josh at all is b/c Arisa paid homage in the opening “We want to acknowledge our respect for the history of the land that the Big Brother house stands on here in Toronto. This house which our house guests from across Canada will call home is on the traditional territory of many nations including the Mississaugas, Anishnabeg, the Chippewa, the Haudenosaunee, and the Wendat peoples and then became home to the many diverse First Nations, Inuit and Métis peoples and it is important to us that we recognize that…”
It just made sense that Canadian Big Brother would love an indigenous representative to win.
The ‘awards’ clips also favored Josh. He was the ‘star’ or the reaction moment in almost EVERY clip they showed for an award.
Considering that I considered Josh one of the more boring houseguests, that’s pretty stand out.
I think they definitely altered the formula this season for week one editing.
2 was similarly edited to 10 in week one, but 3-9 had the same formula and you could look back at episode one and say wow how did i not see the winner staring at me then.
The show paid tribute to the land starting in season 9.
I hope my characterization of a Kassting employee’s check the box like it’s a bingo card style of finding house guests wasn’t off putting. It’s how I imagine they operate (that and looking through the social media of a couple cast members to find more cast members).
What i am seeing as this season’s plotline: Three Part story. Part ONE: Class Structure and Finding the Alpha.
The first few weeks introduce the structure. The season is broken down by many into who deserves to be there, and who doesn’t. In the 80’s highschool movie genre relation that often comes back to John Hughes films, think Pretty in Pink school structure. At this time, the twisted sides of Twitter and Facebook were already looking at it like West Side Story…. and were unwilling to see it any other way. So, you’ve got your cliques and you’ve got your social structure. HERE’S THE TWIST: Then the pack mentality ‘A’ crowd types decided to compete with each other, backbite, and try to weaken each other through sabotage while going after the freaks and geeks. This set up the Second Part. Duration: weeks 1-4. Part TWO: Trope anarchy and Masterminding 101.
The second part of the game had the freaks and geeks taking advantage of the Alphas sabotaging each other in part one to gain some social currency.
Two of them decided to make friends with (to fit the earlier 80’s highschool movies analogy fit) the teacher that thought he was the cool teacher that could hang with the alphas, but the alphas still considered him a teacher. The two freaks got the cool teacher to take them to the alpha party, and got him to buy the beer for the two of them. They found the socially unaware freak on paper (the oldest) and made him their bitch to take out the Alphas he so adored. Duration: weeks 4-8. Part THREE : Production Crafted Underdog rising
I contend the storyline changed focus from the masterminds to an underdog driven storyline. When? Week 8.
This is when the easily manipulated teacher didn’t buy beer for the masterminds, instead he took their power in the story away from them and placed it in the hands of… a gummibear. Meanwhile, one of the other downtrodden freaks got the shining moment in the sun victory against the odds veto win (in what is pretty much akin to an individual timed veto because WE don’t get to see the comp run in entirety, and don’t EVER even get a clock in the corner of the screen They could have chosen ANY time and ANY winner since we don’t see a timer clock).
From there, the two downtrodden freaks (one who used to be considered an Alpha, and the other a hanger on Beta) had their repeated rise with veto, hoh, next hoh and veto. So the two that did NOTHING to secure the story trajectory for the first 8 weeks are the recipients of the underdog focus through production outing the games of the masterminds.
I still have some major issue with Betty not actually participating in the game except as an indignant nominee, not even trying to figure the game out for 8 weeks and then being given insider information by d/r in order to cement the third act.
I will ALWAYS find that beyond suspect.
I’d still penalize Josh for week one safety (though he did win a third of a comp, so not as much as i’d penalize Jay’s phonecall safety). I’d still balk at his heroic role model the bad people made me do it talk. I greatly dislike his disparaging of his allies that repeatedly saved his ass by putting it down to the gummibear saving him. It sounds great in an edit form, but on feeds it makes him seem like a self righteous ass with a bit of a penchant for revisionist history. Josh was nobody’s victim. He was a participant that chose his actions.
No matter what he did after the cameras went down, he lied and backstabbed, again, of his own choice. He told EACH of the three he was taking them to the final 3. Call it game if you want, but after veto it was unnecessary. Won’t be shown in edit or will be explained as some moral infliction of karma that befits the role model schpiel.
If Kevin leaves it is completely and wholly for dropping the ball last week.
He didn’t foster his Josh relationship during week 9. In fact, he repeatedly abused the relationship.
If he leaves: that (and the mfing d/r gremlining) is why.
If Haleena leaves it is completely and wholly because she didn’t do more with the opportunities she had to make her relationships with Betty and Josh stronger in the past two weeks. And her edit. I harp on that because she has had less storyline and d/r time than Jess, and Jess left week 5.
If Betty leaves it’s because.. of WHAT-ever happened in the hour after feeds cut.
Josh logic: if i save Betty Summer is happy.
ED. cough cough AND VOTING FOR BETTY, NOT YOU, just thought someone should point out the logic fail. The rest of the jury? so you were loyal to NOBODY…. at least Betty had character and loyalty. THAT’s a part of this jury’s hypocrisy… at least he was loyal to SOME alliance when he backstabbed us, so he’s not a complete scumbag. oops. Now he’s just a scumbag that didn’t save THEM.
HOWEVER,
If he takes out Haleena? Jace will be happy, but the rest of the jury will say you had a chance to knock out KEVIN the mastermind, and you took out Haleena ? oops.
IF he takes out Kevin? sure he’s a backstabber but he took out the biggest mastermind in the jury’s opinion, and therefore earns the respect of Marty, Gino, Hermon and Moose.
Okay. I’m convoluted and all over the map with that bunch of tangents strung together.
Damn… I’m Kevining: bored and wanting to chaos my own brain. damn.
Thanks Another Name and TTOTambz for all the updates this season ! I always enjoy seeing your analysis of what’s been going on in the house. In my perfect world josh would let dat fuqing beddy go home lol and keep the CTD’s complete. I know it’ll never happen, but I’d sure like it to. And then have a ghosts final, which again I know is never in a million gonna happen. But jeez I wish it would kev and Hal totally deserve to be there after all the moves they made this season. Ah well have to see how it all shakes out. For some reason although Betty didn’t really have much of a game play I’d rather her win over Josh. And I’d rather ghosts over here. My final four dream land would have been Hal, Kev, Betty, Josh. Guess we’ll see what happens….also can’t believe that whole countdown door was a Wendy’s plug basically ??? How anticlimactic. Lol thanks again guys ! Looking forward to the last few breakdowns from you both !
I know, I know.
I said i wasn’t posting anything until episode.
But.
This thought wave occurred to me:
Perhaps this season will actually teach future big brother players the difference between floating as a social strategy, coasting as a survival skill, and being an anchor.
Kevin and Haleena were floaters in the original sense of the term.
They attempted to control the flow of information withiin the house while trying to play that they were on both ‘sides’ in a house that refused to admit that there were actually sides (mostly because sides shifted almost weekly, making Kevin and Haleena’s game strategy even more difficult).
Josh was a coaster. He was willing to go with the flow when he wasn’t in power. He didn’t control the flow of information, he just kept the information to himself. He didn’t so much have loyalty as he had an ‘anyone but me’ attitude through most of the game.
Betty? socially she was an anchor for the most part, but could coast occasionally. She was intransigent for the most part, refusing to see the game as a moving organism, instead viewing it as a static chart. However, once or twice at the urging of others, she did coast (mostly this is shown in the alliance with Gino/Jace talks that JOSH bailed on).
Yeah, I’ve 100% decided that win or lose, I respect the games that the Ghosts played socially more than the games Josh and Betty played socially.
Keep in mind: I believe social game is more than being liked. Social game, to me is navigating the social structure or the game as a living organism, and controlling information and manipulating others in order to reach your intended outcomes.
Waking up week 8 and saying I guess I’ll play big brother today? Not social game. But really, isn’t that what happened in regard to Josh and Betty? Any other game move they made before that? At the urging or manipulation of others that actually were playing the game.
Don’t go thinking I’d hate a Josh or Betty win. That’s not my point.
I’m looking at social game and strategy. Tell me Betty’s strategy. She didn’t have one. Any strategic moves on Betty’s part were at the urging of others. She just sat back in judgement of others playing the game, and whined victim for being targeted by someone she called out numerous times. Yeah, Marty was an ass. Granted. But, what did Betty do to perpetuate her own target staying in place with Marty? That’s where the veil was lifted for me in regard to her social strategy: morally pontificating and being intransigent and static in big brother is NOT a social strategy. Her game relied on a veto and an HOH, and a d/r visit. Not ONE of those is part of social game strategy.
Advanced clip:
The red door opens.
WOW. Haleena REALLY just plowed into those doors. Who told the biggest klutz ever to play big brother to run without first bubble wrapping the entire house?
That actually looked like it hurt.
The whole Kevin held Josh down… here i thought it was for five minutes of Lord of the Flies type struggle… and it was about a half second.
And all of that for:
Welcome to Wendy’s, can I take your order????? Better be a comp.
MONDAY: FINAL FOUR EPISODE REVIEW
preamble: I’ve got no reliable spoilers this time. I really miss the two sources i had that worked for the program (one in editing, one in set up). So i’m flying blind.
Way back machine: Jace was evicted, and we had no clue about what the hoh comp would be.
Be Advised: any poor Josh and Betty we were victims talk? I’m going to chirp it, not because i don’t like Josh and Betty, but because I really dislike that false narrative.
RECAP
Kevin fueled the fire? Oh right, that was until that d/r session.
So the heroes rise against the vile villains? mmhm. eyeroll. Name two people that didn’t mind the villains when they were saving the ‘good people’s’ asses for weeks on end.
Awards etc. POST EVICTION
Jace loves them all? oh. right. she hasn’t seen the gbms.
Final Four celbration
Betty d/r thinks 4 times nominated against stronger threats… is an accomplishment.
Josh’s d/r… so snaking your alliance is a hero move. um.
Kevin believing Josh will throw HOH. Come ON.
The ghosts love that everyone hates them. not for long.
Betty moves to ? room. They were going to evict him, oh we’re heroes and the best duo. Betty… what did YOU do? crickets. You went to d/r and got insider info.
Kevin talks about red door.
Pre-released clip time. Still say that was a hard hit… ouch.
THE RED DOOR
Speculation: instant eviction? Marty? a beast?
an emergency room for Haleena?
Wendy’s breakfast and HOH practice.
Kevin can’t win a comp section. Everyone practices. Hal and Josh stop. Why is Haleena going back to bed Kevin asks? You didn’t exactly ask about her arm…
Kevin still thinks Josh is throwing. HOH:
tilt table comp.
land in correct day or closest get a point, most points wins HOH. Good thing they kept that tensor they used when Kevin faked an injury, eh? Even the doctor thought she’d broken her arm as he heroically kept running down the stairs.
Josh: not throwing. Knows days, studied alone.
Kevin finally realizes he got played.
Josh is at 2 points. Kevin at one point.
Josh gets a third point.
Kevin isn’t giving up.
Josh wins HOH.
Kevin… not so happy.
Josh says he knows they’re pissed. They’ve been in power and now it’s my turn. Again, 3 person alliance… and they used that power to help him. But hey… go with that I was used narrative, i’m not completely rolling my eyes blind.
Kevin: you played us.
Josh: oh no… i didn’t play you.
Hal: in storage: Kev got played.
Josh: Kevin I’m not playing you. What makes it a lie? ED. maybe lying and playing victim about lying?
The Ghosts say they got played and Josh wins. They got a taste of their own medicine.
WHO WANTS TO SEE HOH ROOM. STILL NEVER CARED. AWARDS: ED. were before the HOH see no wrapped injury. I’m not a voter for awards or faves. I think they are production angle. I don’t actually like ANY of the clothes chosen, or the set…. yeesh.
Anyone notice just how many of the clips for voting were SO Josh centric? I mean in full, not the ones shown. I mean… half the awards were past season. there weren’t many for this season. But the ones for this season ALL had that Josh reaction clip in them. WENDY’S SABRINA, KAREN, BREYDON… it’s the parade of runner ups.
Josh is thinking Kevin and Betty. Clean record. He wants to use it against her? Come on now. Josh wants to push Haleena never had to fight. ED. ummm, because she manipulated them to keep her off and fought BEFORE NOMS to save herself. JOSH BETTY:
Josh thinks Kevin isn’t trustworthy, and pissed. He “floated” is the word Betty is looking for. KEVIN HAL:
Kevin starts to chaos himself again like last week.
Haleena, do you want to go on the block instead of me? Really Kevin? Who says yes to that even at final 4????
Josh doesn’t want to ruin Hal’s record. Would you evict Haleena?
Josh… okay that was petty. About time he feels the heat? Until week 9, he felt NO heat, he was saved by the people he’s petty with. No seriously, until week 9 did JOSH campaign? Ever? NOPE. That’s not feeling heat.
CLARIFICATION If i actually disliked Josh, My critique would be vile this week. I just dislike the Role Model no sins narrative SOOOOOO MUCH. I’m Madeline Khan Clue Mrs. White with the flames, flames FLAMES on the side of my face… breathing, breathle…. heaving breaths……. you get the idea.
NOMINATIONS Josh’s D/R? more narrative. And it’s getting pettier. Well twitter will love that. KEVIN AND BETTY NOMINATED
Josh’s nom reasons:
Kevin fight for your place.
Betty win veto.
THAT SPEECH SAID YOU’RE IN TROUBLE KEVIN. ED. Too much. I smell something monkeyish.
Betty: Me and Josh to the end i’m winning veto.
Kevin: oh yeah, the block I’d forgotten how it felt… we shoulda kept Jace.
Sabrina and Karen were fantastic casting choices. Sabrina was so vile it was entertaining, Karen was so insightfully deluded that it was entertaining.
Yeah, they are maligned. Sometimes oh so deservedly so. But think about season 2 without Sabrina and season 5 without Karen. SOOO FRICKIN BORING.
They were authentic and authentically horrible and authentically laughable.
The past couple of season have been missing the authentic casting choices. Don’t answer with your faves. Most of them are on this show to start a modelling career, enhance their acting careers… or only brought the entertainment in a completely inauthentic way that i’m not even going to fight because it’s so obvious they were putting on a show to put on a show, not being authentic.
I was hoping The Powers That Be would backtrack on the outright sabotage of one of the two best players this season (and the Ghost — [Kevin] who was far more likely to get the jury votes).
I’d be PISSED if I were Kevin to have put in that much work this season & have one long DR session completely tank my game. Mind you his sketchiness and messiness last week sure didn’t help – but still, Betty NEVER comes to that conclusion on her own.
While I enjoyed both the Ghosts my preference was Haleena for her subtleties & influence which IMHO had more bearing with the Tynesha & Hermon exits – & sort of set up Moose & even Betty/Summer early on via her downloads to the showmance & Marty.
She also worked the ladies capitalizing on the angst between Summer & Jace – and the dislike of Betty toward Jace to ensure if they happened to win HOH by fluke the showmance would be a prime target & as long as one of the showmance was OTB alongside Marty the Dummies would’ve kept Marty safe (then been fine to cut him next).
Even prior to Moose leaving at F9 Hal (and to a lesser extent Josh/Kev) had enough pull with Moose to get him to see splitting the showmance was the right choice. And by F8 the Dummies controlled the vote.
It seems very likely that Josh will sail to the F2 chair given the upcoming comps will feature an endurance which he’ll likely win. I can see Haleena beating Betty in the 2nd comp but Hal freezes in those trivia-type comps which will be Part 3 (Kevin was the better player in those comps).
Although, it sure did seem based on the DR sessions they played in tonight’s episode – – (which don’t necessarily mean anything) Josh was leaning toward taking Hal if he chooses, citing how her not going OTB was not a true selling point b/c she never had to fight for her life. He has said that repeatedly to Kevin too.
I personally disagree & see it as a flaw in his logic (one I’m sure Kevin will be more than happy to shoot holes in at the jury round table if he in fact is the F4 evictee).
The BIG problem is whether Kevin will have enough time with the jury to outline why Haleena deserves to win over Josh (or Betty). His easiest argument is how Josh/Betty weren’t even playing the game until week 8 or 9.
Moose/Hermon were feeling a ‘certain way’ about getting shafted by Josh but along with Marty/Gino/Jace are all prone to vote for a male over a female. BUT — what if Kevin tells them how Josh literally sat in rooms laughing at each of them & elaborates on how he would call them stupid – that all they cared about was comps – how he threw comps – let Kevin/Haleena do all the work & he was their puppet – (hence the triple eviction nominations).
What if he tells them how Josh’s strategy was to get them to tell him something personal & then laugh about how that pulled them into believing he had their backs? Would they be pissed that Josh literally laid on his back not doing anything but making fun of them? What if he further elaborates on how Josh was FINE to cut Summer/Betty & also laughed how they could both leave on the triple via his HOH. If Kevin calls upon them to recognize what makes a truly good player involves the ability to influence & ask what precisely Josh influenced?
Based on early reads the fans (and the votes that came into the recent RHAP survey) NO ONE believes Haleena can win against anyone. Which is truly sad given she outplayed both Josh/Betty IMHO. Betty still has no clue what transpired for her to reach F3 — so how the hell do you vote for her over Hal? Sorry – but ditto for Josh – show me who he influenced EVER – other than Betty which was more manipulation than influence since she was never in a F2 with him until a week ago & STILL doesn’t know about the Dummies!
Tell me what he did in the game to shift the direction of a vote – or work he did leading up to a new HOH to ensure the people he wanted were targeted.
Josh is likely to win regardless – and got there by letting Kevin/Haleena influence and run the house for nine weeks and on Day 63 got off the couch to play Big Brother – win some comps & likely will earn $100k for it. I’d almost rather see Betty win than Josh but meh – whatever.
Kevin/Haleena had intended on telling Betty about the Crash Test Dummies a half hour before the POV. They may not have gotten the time to do that based on how that F4 live eviction went down with an hour to pack/get dressed & do the live eviction. But we know FOR SURE Kevin doesn’t walk out of that house without calling out Josh as the true villain of the season who turned on his F3 with the Crash Test Dummies that played together since week 3! And for him to back stab them after they saved him repeatedly shows how disloyal he was (you just know Kevin is going to rail on his way out)
It could turn out to be a fatal error in Josh’s game b/c he elected to go back on his word to throw the F4 HOH (which was the right decision) BUT he was still acting naive/innocent with Betty about Kevin’s game & never gave her any sort of heads up he felt played by Kevin & WHY (CTD).
I say it could be a fatal error b/c whoever of the Ghosts stays (assume Hal) can now walk through every single move that happened with Betty on a week by week basis & how Josh KNEW IT ALL b/c Hal/Kev kept him informed so he always knew they would save him. Hal can point out why do you think Kevin pulled him off the block? Why do you think I didn’t use the POV? Why do you think he put you up in the triple? Why do you think we voted to keep him safe all 3 times with the last two times our votes being the difference in him staying or going? AND can cite how Josh was constantly laughing about how he might have to be the HOH to put Betty/Summer OTB & watch them get evicted.
If Betty were to get to Part 3 and pull out the win to choose (unlikely but possible) I could see her taking Hal instead just for that reason alone.
My preference:
Winner: Haleena
Runner-Up: Kevin
Third: Josh
Fourth: Betty (although I’m as amenable to her being 3rd & Josh being 4th b/c of how he simply followed the Dummies strategy never really having to pitch except this last week)
What I’ve seen from most analysts (on who played the best game):
Winner: Kevin
Runner-Up: Haleena
Third: Josh
Fourth: Betty
What this past week (DR sessions outing Kevin’s game – comp tailor-made for Josh) are leaning toward:
Winner: Josh
Runner-Up: Betty OR Haleena
Third: again either of the above – but as they say perception is EVERYTHING & I think Josh recognizes Betty prob has Summer (and could have Moose, Hermon) votes. Kevin PUSHED hard that Marty would vote for her so it’s a risk to take her, especially after she got off the block FIVE times. Plus factor in all those awards Betty won (did you notice Josh’s face – registering that fact?). Production will tell them Canada has a vote at some stage prior to the finale (they’ll likely have to make a plea to vote for them) & he’ll likely think Canada would vote Betty just based on those awards.
Fourth: Kevin.
Although I’m not going to be up in arms if neither Ghost gets to a chair if it does end up being a Josh/Betty winner/runner-up they & this season won’t rank as high versus other winners/seasons, especially over time.
Taran Armstrong had a GREAT call citing Lisa who beat out Danielle Reyes in US BB3 as a very similar example to Josh if he wins. Of course, Danielle was the reason production began sequestering the jury in BB4 when she lost solely b/c the jury got to go home & watch her DRs and voted bitterly. Danielle got SCREWED out of that victory & was IMHO one of the best to ever play the game.
Finally, the one question I asked myself that pushed Haleena ahead for me was which of the two Ghosts would’ve gotten further in the game without the other. And I settled on Haleena b/c she read the house better & would’ve stayed closer to Marty plus I imagine she either would’ve nurtured Josh more or possibly even pulled in Moose closer to her or maybe put up with Jace’s nastiness & worked to get deep with her. Kevin was ALWAYS going to play his chaotic style (which was awesome) but without someone like Hal to reign him back in especially in the first half I’m not sure he gets to F4.
My least favorite duos (alliances) are the alpha male duos/groups overall & sadly we simply don’t have many if any examples of female duos. Most male/female duos are generally limited to showmances so in that regard the Ghosts ranked high for me. I loved the dynamic & hope we get similar duos after the Ghost’s success in the future.
We still don’t know who got evicted – and maybe I missed it but I haven’t seen any leaks either but assume it was Kevin who they evicted especially with the DR messages we got in the episode. YES, Josh was playing devil’s advocate with Betty about Haleena’s game just prior to Arisa coming on the screen for the live eviction– BUT — I saw that as him trying to plant early seeds with Betty not to shift to taking Hal at F2 just in case she wins that final comp.
Suffice to say – I doubt my winner (Haleena) has a shot in hell of being crowned the winner & I’m 50-50 on whether she even gets to a F2 chair b/c Josh has said he’ll take Betty this past week & tempered it with Hal can’t win. Surely, he won’t keep Kevin & take him (although I’d laugh so hard if he failed that badly in strategy b/c even if he won out & took Kevin he’d lose to him).
So TPTB stepped in to get Josh to shift direction — if that’s not why he got Betty to evict Haleena than he DESERVES to lose the game for making such a poor strategic move.
My guess is he believes Kevin will take him over Betty whereas Hal wouldn’t. It could be that simple – but we’ll find out in less than 24 hours if that one move cost him $100k (I hope it DOES!)
Biggest reason why 3/4 of the final four deserve a HUGE (and I mean HUGE) round of applause:
Three of the final four were labelled as worthless and undeserving to be in the house by the CompsCult of Hermon, Kyle, Gino, Moose, and Marty by week two. This meant they were in the bottom of every alliance in terms of willingness for the house to consider them as equals because they were deemed unable to pull their own weight… by people who had won at most ONE comp by that point.
Think about it: when they decided Betty threw HOH in week two, her name was mud.
They liked that Haleena tried, but pretty much said and your best sucks. Kevin? Yup. He wasn’t considered worthy either, but they liked him and figured he’d ace the smart people comps.
Refresh my memory… by week two HOH, what comps had Kyle and Gino won?
Josh? Given a pass for show muscles and a night one 1/3 of a comp win. Faced no adversity as socially undesirable because of poor comp performance even when he was obviously throwing because obvious throws were still netting him second place.
THIS is what i meant by season tone set by week one HOH that determines social structure. and three of the final four didn’t meet the Alphabros standards. That determined value, which does have an effect on social currency.
So, cheers to the notanalphas.
Going to attempt to not let my disgust with the role model fictitious narrative cloud me, and think about Josh’s game reasonably. This won’t be yay Josh or boo Josh, and i’ll likely slip into that damn narrative disgust a few times. It really irks me. But I’m going to look at what he did this season and try to assess what made it successful through his own doing, vs. what made it successful because it aligned with the game of others, and depended on that not his own gamesmanship.
Week one Josh entered at least 2 alliances that put him in the majority in terms of numbers. We have heard talk of more. Additionally, he formed final 2 deals with over half the house. He was not an active participant in any of the alliances of which he was a member.
Josh won 1/3 of the HOH comp week one, thereby giving him safety.
Because of his inactive stance with his alliances creating an air of mistrust, his loyalties began being questioned by the middle of week 2. Week three found Marty, a former ally, via Kyle, a current ally, nominating Josh out of fear of blowback for week two’s targeting and eviction of Josh’s closest confidante Jay (the guy that apparently STARTED the entire ethnocentric related narrative week one, and perpetuated it in his two weeks in the house). So Josh was targeted because while liked, he wasn’t trusted because he was taking NO active role in his alliances.
The house rallied to save him and thwart Kyle’s chaos bomb of an HOH (honestly I think the thwarting Kyle part was the actual impetus because Kyle was deconstructing Hermon’s perfect scenario and dream alliance in the alphabro top dog brinksmanship). Josh didn’t have to campaign post nomination, because Haleena gave him a hint he would be nominated, and he went to Tynesha and Summer for support as they the other two candidates Kyle told Haleena about.
Socially Josh was well liked and welcome in most circles, but aloof. He took in more information than he released, which is good unless you are trying to build trust.
Josh threw a lot of comps. He threw the ones he could have won, and lost the ones he tried to win until week 8b. Once everyone that beat him when he was trying to win was evicted (others playing the game coinciding with his success), he began a string of comp wins.
In week 4, during Gino’s first HOH, talks began with Kevin to form a secret alliance including Haleena. The alliance was formed around day 30-32. This pair had already saved him once (Haleena’s warning, and membership in the save Josh campaign added to Kevin flipping Marty as an insurance policy. I don’t think Josh was ever really thankful to them for it. He saw it more as Tynesha Summer and Betty saving him).
Within the new alliance it was always quite obvious that Josh was more inclined to work with Kevin, but would have preferred Betty be added to the group over Haleena. Betty didn’t want to work with Haleena.
Josh was likeable to the house, he was given credit as a showmuscle comp beast with just a 1/3 HOH comp victory for most of the game. He was very much judged favorably by his appearance in that regard. He absorbed information, never stuck his neck out for his allies until week 8. Until then, he was indifferent, and would not push an agenda that would keep his alliance safe.
Week 8 Josh won a big HOH. He kept his alliance safe, choosing for himself to turn on his friends to protect his allies. THIS IS A HUGE POINT.
Once Josh had to clean up his image, he threw his alliance away. That same alliance that had saved him and ensured he NEVER had to campaign any time he was on the block previously (swinging the vote week 3, using veto week 6, planting enough doubt in Marty week 8a that he resorted to gummibear nominations).
Josh chose Betty over his alliance thinking that was the noble move. Betty and Josh were the recipients of unearned information via diary room. This cemented Josh’s flip on his allies.
Josh campaigned for the first time on his fourth time on the block via Betty. He campaigned to Haleena. She was already wavering on keeping Jace because of her relationship with Jace, and Jace’s own treatment of Haleena. Sentimentality worked and Josh got to stay. I’m not going to go into the number of oddities and bizarre d/r calls for week 8b and 9… but behind the scenes something odd was going on for sure, and Josh benefitted.
Josh wins the final 4 hoh, backstabbing his former allies. I wasn’t fond of the petulant d/r tone in that episode. It wasn’t role model behavior if you listen to the petty glee. They were arrogant, vindictive, and revisionist. Sorry. THEY WERE.
SO, Josh’s game comes down to having enough social capital via appearance to be given benefit of the doubt. Positive for Josh, a little gag worthy to me.
He was excellent at gathering information, but did little or nothing WITH it.
His game depended on others to the extent that he never campaigned because he had allies saving him because of alliance loyalty that he didn’t reciprocate until week 8b and then immediately cried that he was manipulated into making his own choice. In d/r, so that’s the official storyline.
2 and 1/3 HOH comp wins and 1 veto win. 4 nominations for eviction. 5-7 second place finishes in HOH and POV comps.
So he has a good social likeability. He backstabbed his friends over his allies until he backstabbed his allies over his friend. He was a wealth of information he never used. He was distrusted by every ally he had because of this. He won end game comps. Brass tacks that’s his game. The role model that was just as dirty as everyone else, but cried victim. And cried. And cried some more.
Josh’s best ability was the ability to ALWAYS remain in the center. No matter how the house dynamic shifted, he was always directly in the center and able to be good with both poles in a constantly shifting polarity. THIS is this game, and should be judged as a great passive social strategic point. His active social game (directing flow of information and exerting influence for his benefit) was poor, but his passive social strategy? great.
Next up: Betty. How i’m going to be able to think about Betty’s game without the phrase ‘didn’t actually play big brother for weeks’ I’ll never know.
In case anyone thinks I was harsh in my assessment of Josh’s game in terms of participation level:
How long did it take once feeds started to determine definitively that Josh was the seventh member of the Savage Seven? Many. Because he had zero interaction with the other members.
When Hermon pulled together his core 4 within the Savage 7 at the beginning of week 3, back when he thought Betty and Steph would be noms, he didn’t pull Josh because Josh wasn’t participating. He pulled Ty, Summer and Moose. Josh was added as an also ran after Moose went up on the block. Josh became the justification for Hermon’s counter attack initiative against Kyle.
When Josh repeatedly talked about his ideal alliance grouping, beyond the week one deal that we’ve since heard about, did Josh make ANY move to secure that alliance? Nope.
When Betty went to Gino and Jace to form the secret final 4 ceasefire in week 7, did Josh show up to the meeting? Nope. Betty was on the block, and that’s supposedly by edit now Josh’s long term ride or die, and he didn’t show up.
When Summer and Betty were talking about working with Kevin and either Haleena or Jace in week 8, did Josh in any way champion including his alliance mate? Nope. He said nothing while a final 5 was being formed that excluded a member of his other alliance. The five never formed officially.
He was passive, not active for the most part in most of the game. CONJECTURE:
I never quite understood Kevin’s seemingly out of nowhere and proposing the Dummies to Josh. If I could go back, I’d like to see if he pulled Josh aside after a D/R visit. Given the ruin of Kevin’s game is the result of a D/R call… could that odd meeting of the minds ALSO be the effect of a D/R call? I wish I could remember the D/R calls of that day in the late 20’s as far as day numbers go. Kevin saw a kindred spirit in Josh? Decided he was smart. Didn’t target him when he knew Josh would be dangerous in the trivia comps Kevin was hoping would be his shining glory? That’s… odd for Kevin’s way of thinking. Hmm.
Honest assessment 2. Betty.
Okay: this is honest:
Betty has an entertaining laugh. It’s actually a great laugh.
Betty thought she’d be the season comp beast. The house didn’t agree and placed her in the undeserving category. The only reason she wasn’t nominated week one as an undeserving? She had a pre-existing relationship with week one HOH, and their shared community would frown on targeting her.
She shared with the house that she had that pre-existing tie to Hermon. That SHOULD have gotten her nominated as an ace in the hole vote holder. It didn’t. IT SHOULD HAVE.
Betty never formed alliances. She was a member of a few, well, more a number in a few, and was even added to a couple of those alliances in absentia because, well, she still had a vote. Seriously, she wasn’t present for the Siblings or the True Few/Fuse alliance building. She was included because, well, the people she shit talked with most were members.
Great giggle too.
Betty still had an active cheering section while she was only marginally playing big brother, mostly owing to the fact that she was living in the big brother house with other people that were playing big brother. I remember I actually cheered Betty on in the week 4 HOH. She was so excited to be doing well, and was doing the peepee dance in her before/after pen after every question she answered correctly. I was genuinely excited for her until her answer to the tie breaker, where upon i decided her brain had been possessed by Pilar. How long did the week 2 comp take from start to finish? her answer was 16 minutes and change. The comp took well over an hour, and if i remember correctly it was closer to one hour and 40 minutes. THAT was the closest Betty came to a challenge win in a comp until WEEK 8 during a guess how long 100 minutes is comp which actually proves she CAN tell time, and makes her tiebreaker answer all the more absurd. OH look: a redemption arc beginning a storyline redemption arc. No seriously, that is a GREAT laugh.
Socially, Betty was well liked when she wasn’t being morally superior, judgmental and dismissive of others, but even then, she was moderately liked by others that were being morally superior judgmental, dismissive and rude to others. She could be petty, mean, gossipy, rude and arrogant to others in a social game. Betty failed to see why she was Marty’s target perpetually. After her initial nomination, she took umbrage at being lied to, and being the first kiss of death recipient of the ‘kick yer feet up’ nominations. Betty never got over it, and quite frankly became Marty’s Karen while Marty was busy being Josh’s Karen… there were an awful lot of Karens but the season was light on KevinRobertMartins. Betty could lie in the game, but apparently by her code, nobody could lie to her without being called out and judged. In a social game. If she weren’t in the underserving category in terms of social worthiness by comp ability season tone, her ass would have been evicted for this type of thing.
In terms of alignments and alliances, Weeks 8 and 9 came as one shock after another as Betty learned of all the alliances in the house that had existed. Betty in week two was sure there WERE no alliances. She said so. That was her level of social game awareness. It persisted for most of the game until a certain d/r visit.
Betty’s big MOVES of the game:
Sat on the nomination couch five times next to bigger threats (who were nominated to sit next to her due to the machinations of others). She played victim well.
She was friendly to the people she liked when she liked them, otherwise she was a bitch. I think she is the human personification of a house cat in this way.
She used her HOH to target with her emotions not logic or strategy.
She got intel from d/r.
Her moral hypocrisy struck the right chord with Josh’s hypocritical self righteous indignation.
Betty won a veto and an HOH. She came in second place tie once. She was the recipient of d/r gremlining to make it seem like she had social game strategic awareness THAT SHE DID NOT POSSESS.
About to sleep.
Was thinking. You know how every season the gymbot alphabro lets join forces and run the game types all say “the big guys are always the first targets.”
In ALL of bbcan history… that happened ONCE, and even then there was no evidence he was anything more than a physically attractive model type with showmuscle.
What is the truth?
Kat, Annick, Risha, Paige, Mark, Rozina, Laura, season 8, Julie, Melina.
Yeah… those musclebound comp beast physically attractive alphaboy type guys are always the first target…. in 1 our of 9 cases.
Who is then? Look at the names, remember them?
The female outsider or against the grain in terms of the basic shared female personality in the house…. if you’re female and don’t fit with the other females, you better win HOH number one or don’t unpack.
season one a woman not looking to showmance stood alone. Season two the hippiedippie peacenik stood out. Season three the too sexual woman stood out. Season four the quiet wallflower stood out, well actually she was booted so the showmance me girlygirl with connections to the giant pack of people that all knew each other in a six degrees of kevin bacon style spider web could stay. Season five Neda’s new prospective Jon was turfed. Season six the older woman in a sea of younglings was a sore thumb. Season seven a woman’s strength advocate was kicked to the curb in the year of the bro-gade, Season 9… okay that one is just Latoya didn’t like Julie. Season 10… the introvert comps are all that matter leave me alone woman was pushed out by the social gamers.
Yeah, that whole week two brolliance talking point about ‘if we don’t join forces and prettyboy our way to the end, they’re gonna target us first, it always happens’ thing… well that’s not supported by reality.
Reality is the first boot is USUALLY the woman that doesn’t fit. It’s usually because they are determined least blood on hands. It’s usually considered least blood on hands because… let’s face it, all of the women in a season are less likely to form a group bond.
The female half of the house is less likely to group bond because in casting, they always ask ‘do you want to showmance.’ Affirmative showmance players… not likely to bond with women more than seek a man to shield and carry them through the game.
Until they stop casting with the question: do you want to showmance, and showing the pictures of the women that say yes to all the meatheads so they can pick their mattress… it’s a pretty safe bet that women will not bond as a group like the men, and will become the first boot in 89% of the cases. Let’s face it, those fuqboi alphabros are still going to say bros before sHOwmances, it’s part of male socialized team dynamic pack mentality.
All that and i didn’t even have to go into my theory about female interpersonal dynamic on big brother as a rule of three (aka the karen becky and tch sigh eyeroll debbie principle).
Honest game breakdown 3. Haleena.
Part of me says why bother.
When your on screen episode edit has less inclusion than bb21 Jackhole WHILE he was sequestered in the have not room getting psych services treatment for withdrawal…. there’s no way an episode only viewer could look back and say yeah i can see how she won.
Just over half the d/r of the others in the finals. Her total game moves shown in the episodes for the whole season combined is shorter than a single episode recap.
Given no credit for ANY game move.
Edited OUT of entire conversations n the episode edit.
How? How do you paint that into a winning game for the episodies?
Anyway. Haleena entered the game in survival mode. She talked herself off the block during Hermon’s HOH. Betty? Got a pass due to real world connection. Haleena had to work for hers. However, she remained in renom pawn contention.
She was an information sponge, communicator and a manipulator. Every HOH got the sense that she was a number FOR them, while she simultaneously planted seeds against her own targets. Those seeds didn’t always take immediate root, evicting her target, but they always altered the perception the HOH had for that target.
In Early game she formed connections socially throughout the house. Kyle and Marty both thought she was theirs. Jace and Steph thought she was theirs. Hermon thought she was useless, but less useless than a couple others and his if he wanted her. Jess thought she was hers. And she formed her day two pair alliance the Ghosts with Kevin.
There was talk that Kevin actually volunteered or was manipulated into volunteering for the block as the pawn against Melina FOR Haleena.
Every HOH got a heaping dose of smoke blown up their ass by Haleena. That was in essence her game: smoke and mirrors. Smoke in the sense that she was manipulating everyone in power, mirrors in the way she communicated with others.
When talking to a gossip she gosspped hard. When talking to a ‘comps matter most type’ she pushed trying to win comps. When talking to ‘Loyalty is all’ types, she convinced them she was loyal to them effortlessly. Even the gossiping and shit talking had a purpose. She was altering the perception of whoever she was shit talking with by enforcing the co-conspirators negativity towards someone OTHER than the Ghosts.
When it comes to Chaos, Kevin is king of this season. When it comes to perception, Haleena is queen. Her assessment of the character mindset of others was great. She was amazing at social cues.
UNLESS:
When Kevin had a different opinion she deferred too often. When she had information, she overshared with Kevin.
HALEENA PLAYED THE GAME AS PART OF A PAIR. Period. Kevin always had small bits and side plans. Haleena cut off her side plans for the benefit of the pair when her place in the center of the house was blown up repeatedly by what was best for the Crash Test Dummies. Haleena was ALMOST content to be number 2 in the Ghosts, and number 3 in the dummies. She made annoyed comments, but never pushed hard enough when it came to the dynamics in her true loyalty groups.
Haleena made errors. She didn’t stroke the alpha women of the house egos enough. The Karen of the pack always must have her ego stroked. She must be informed of everything said about her immediately. She must be treated like the Queen of the triangle and Queen of the house. Haleena didn’t do that. She shit talked with them enough to keep them focused on each other or someone else. Summer and Jace didn’t trust Haleena while Haleena wasn’t kissing their asses like a good little Debbie. (okay yeah, i slipped into the female pack rule of three: simple breakdown. Alpha is a Karen. Beta is a Becky. the third one is a Debbie. The Karen and the Becky will remain bonded as long as the Karen is top, and Becky, who wants to be Karen, adheres to Karen being top. The Debbie is the tag along that the other two make fun of, and keep close because she’s there, and almost good enough to be with them).
Why is this an error? It means that while she was with them, she was able to sway them through sorority manipulation, but because she didn’t hold constant vigil in the queen’s court… she was least trusted in the triangle. However, when it came to Summer/Tynesha/Betty, Haleena was the fourth. It’s a rule of three. See where that was never going to work?
At times, Haleena was too immediate at sharing information. However, this was her attempt to thwart the previous error, and used in order to, again, alter the house perception of targets.
In comps… Haleena was pitiful. She out-Betty’d Betty when it comes to comp failure.
I’m still not sure how Production was able to come up with TWO vetoes she could win (okay one was individual timed so that’s explained…. the other?????).
In tems of studying events and days, Haleena has learning issues that make her a visual learner. Not good for studying days, comps and events. She should have been better at the wall than she was, that was visual learning. But that comp was week 4 HOH.
We’ve only seen one gbm… but if the others are as bad she has pitful jury management.
Her bonds with Betty and Josh are weaker than Kevin’s. Since her task for the duo was more centred on the OTHER side of the house, and that side was wiped out, of course Kevin’s connections are stronger (that was a design by Kevin I’m sure).
Haleena was in multiple alliances: Chef’s Kiss, Rugrats>Mandems, Ghosts, True Fuse/Few, Crash Test Dummies and the Five. She was considered a side number to the Brolliance and the Retreat. She formed final 2 deals with Jace, Marty, Jess and Kevin. Other alliances like the Rebel Rejects and Bargain Bin wanted her membership, but the alliances never formed.
Haleena won 2 vetoes, and was nominated zero times.
She was successful in pre-emptively fighting the block by floating to each HOH and showing them her worth as a source of information and tactical perspective.
in the endgame you have Josh saying she never had to fight on the block… because she fought the moment an HOH won power so she would never have to fight on the block.
I feel like this isn’t near as indepth as it should be, given her social prowess in the game. However, I can’t get over her episode edit making it impossible for production to justify themselves with her as the winner.
I’ll just say this: In a season where the fandom wanted all the POC to band together, she was hated for not being content to be number 7. She would have been number 7. Shush.
In a season where the house talked about the differences in treatment by gender making the same game moves….. production cut Haleena out of the story to make Kevin shine. They made the same game moves as a pair. She wasn’t even included until Jess’ HOH in WEEK FIVE.
Haleena got a raw deal.
And that doesn’t even count having the MOST separate injuries in a single season.
Tonight’s advance clip:
it’s a rub it in schadenfreude moment for everyone that didn’t like Kevin and Haleena for engineering the downfall of their faves starting in week 3ish.
The Ghosts are talking post noms. Haleena is trying to boost Kevin’s defeated spirits and inspire them to continue fighting. They can win veto and keep the dream alive, highlighting their bond to one another.
WEDNESDAY VETO AND FINAL 4 EVICTION.
preamble:
gut still saying 65/35 Haleena was evicted.
If I’m wrong I’m wrong and I don’t mind being wrong. I’m wrong a lot, but still keep giving my opinions. RECAP:
Aaand HEEERE we go.
Duo vs/ Duo? They’ve reallllly gone retcon on the trio full tilt haven’t they? SURPRISE EVICTION announcement:
making it look like it was before veto… as usual in most seasons. Nomination ceremony flashback:
Josh d/r again pushing the disparraging a floater game. Ummm dear Josh… you are more of a coaster: that’s WORSE than a floater.
Betty d/r wants Kevin out.
Josh Betty saying Kevin is manipulating them about Haleena’s record.
Kevin is making poor decisions d/r.
Kevin Haleena advance clip. ED. SHE is REALLY boosting him to pull him out of his chaosbrain. Wonder how long that’s been going on. Has internal chaos actually been controlled while feeds were down for Jay, Kyle, Jess and Marty’s shenanigans? VETO: ED. there’s a ladder under the wheel? oh. Haleena is first to go in edit. Kevin was first to go in reality. he got sick. I Telephahy tweeted NOT to eat Josh’s PORKCHOPS.
SEASON 6 Style maze only crawling this time.
Haleena goes to wrong lock with her key first time.
NO times shown.
Haleena blanks on day 29. Betty’s turn. Betty is not sliding near as much as Hal was. Betty gets dead ended a lot in edit. They only showed half her run. Kevin’s turn. His retell says he was having stomach pains. ED. He’s disoriented and lost…. or did he have stomach cramps and a visit to scooterville?
Looks over his shoulder to see where grates are. Josh’s turn. Gives a bullshit d/r about up and down game….. no.
Making it look like it took him longer. It didn’t. floor was slick again. VETO RESULTS
4th 42 13 Betty.
3rd 36 39 Kevin.
2nd 25 47Haleena.
1st 17 08 JOSH WINS VETO JURY SEGMENT
Everyone was rooting for Jace? Sideye.
Anti Haleena Anti Josh Jury. Best player. Haleena was just a weakling that did nothing but ride Kevin’s coat tails. We knew that was coming… even the edit of the episodes thought so. SHUSH. Worst edit for a final 4 member in bbcan history.
So they are a bitter jury? Who would have guessed? Eyeroll. CAMPAIGNING WHEN FEEDS WENT DOWN: ED. ANYONE GOT A GUMMIBEAR?
Kevin Josh HOH talk:
Josh isn’t sure what he wants to do.
Betty Josh HOH talk
who is better for you Josh? I’d likely do Kevin.
Hal Kevin Josh Red Bedroom talk
Josh isn’t telling them it’s crash test to the end.
So. it’s one of them Haleena says.
Kevin getting lots of d/r he is fighting to the end. EXPEDIA ROOM TALK
Does Josh want Betty to win. Betty has the better story to win.
Kevin says he picks Josh over Haleena.
We were always final 3. NOT a final 2.
Hal just wants a shot. THE CRASH TEST DUMMIES CAMPAIGN HUGE
Kevin pushed the Great Alliance Integrity angle.
Kevin pushes everyone will love Josh. Do what’s best for Josh.
Josh goes back to Expedia to talk to Betty.
Friendship first is Betty’s answer. Josh is going to keep Betty.
Betty wants Kevin out. Josh says Haleena is the stronger competitor.
Kevin is evil. Haleena better deserving. Kevin isn’t deserving. ED. They’ve come full circle. It’s now about COMP WINS determining value. Just like week one. Sideye.
Haleena is boosting Kevin again, she is pushing for Kevin to stay. Giving him pitching points to get to the end.
Kevin crying d/r. NOTE HAL HAS NO D/R in her red dress….. foreshadow???? VETO CEREMONY Choose who gets to evict. Josh is using the veto on Betty. Haleena and Kevin are the final nominees. PITCHES:
Haleena: do what’s best for you. i am what’s best
Kevin: keep me if you’re keeping me, I want to fight.
Kevin and Haleena are crying causing of course Josh and Betty to cry.
Vote
Betty says Haleena played the better game, and Betty evicts Haleena.
Haleena leaves. ED. so representation stopped mattering to Josh and Betty. Oh, representation only matters if it’s them being represented.
Haleena has a really short exit interview. THE FANS GET A JURY VOTE.
HALEENA IS GONE YEAH!!!!! I wonder what she’s gonna say to Jacey – Lynne when she sees her…looks like Marty is the only houseguest who thinks Kevin and Haleena are strong players. Listen Marty, because you’re stupid and Naive probably the worst in the history of the game doesn’t mean that the other person is smart, it just means YOU ARE STUPID! It’s as simple as that.
I’m glad Kevin and Haleena fought to the bitter end.
Kevin fought harder, Haleena knew.
I respect that fight.
I understand why Josh made the move. All’s fair in big brother. I can REALLY do without the whole Sanctimonious Role Model victim Narrative. I place that on Production. I place that on Josh as well. Hell, I even lay that on Betty because you can’t say sanctimony and not think of Betty decrying others as liars while she lied.
Again, everything is fair in how someone plays the game. So My beef is more greatly leveled at production.
If my theory that Hal was only given a sidekick level storyline because Jess wanted to quit is true (and given past reasons for long d/r outages and a houseguest HOH barely appearing on feeds for FOUR days, I have no reason to believe my theory isn’t true), then they still did Haleena dirty. After week five she made plenty of contributions to the game beyond those 2 vetoes. But, you’d hardly know it if you only watched episodes. In fact you may have even asked who’s she when Haleena won a veto.
Kevin WAS the force of movement for the season. It sure as hell wasn’t Josh or Betty, who actually barely had to campaign. Josh NEVER campaigned to anyone the first three times he was on the block. And we’re to believe his ups and downs in danger narrative the d/r is pushing? Wasn’t a real thing because Kevin and Haleena didn’t want it to be a real thing.
Betty’s ONE campaign for votes? Who suggested that campaign (the fake deal with the showmance)? Kevin.
Until production became the 17th houseguest and tanked Kevin, and thereby Haleena with insider information… Yeah, that insider info trumps any game that Josh or Betty played.
SORRY. Just does.
Will I be unhappy with the winner? No.
Will i respect the game of the winner? Probably not if the winner received that 17th houseguest info.
My assessment as a juror would be thus:
advantages like immunity are penalizing in my book, moreso if they are given not earned.
Me? I wanted the first HOH to be winner behind one door, noms behind the other 2. Just me. I know. So If I was rating on a scale of 1-100 to determine winner? Josh loses five points (Jay would have lost 20 points if he’d made it to the end for answering the phone, just so you know i see the difference between a 1/3 of a comp win and a production gift).
I’d rate players strategy. I’d rate players social ability. I’d rate comp wins. I’d rate overall effectiveness in the game. I’d rate these four categories evenly.
Penalties? subtract 2 points for every nomination.
Comps? weight placement in comps, comp wins vs. number of comps competed, and if there was throwing of comps as strategy, reflect that here.
Kevin and Josh wipe the floor with Betty in my assessment.
The comp numbers? that’s due to comp placements and throwing even thought Josh participated in for more comps than Kevin (that’s why Kevin’s number seems odd, his percentages are out of less participation).
KEEP IN MIND: THIS IS WHERE THEY STAND AT THE TIME OF HALEENA”S EVICTION.
Changes can occur, but the penalties are set in stone.
By the way: the episode talk of DESERVING to be in final three. That Betty and Josh talk. Screw them both. The unapologetic liar vs the false victim hypocrite? I’d prefer the stand up liar that owns it over the it wasn’t my fault i made my choices type. EYEROLL. GAME OWNERSHIP!!!!!! Sorely lacking from Betty and Josh. yeah… pentaly. sorry. five points each for failing to OWN their games.
Lack of ownership cements Kevin over Josh in my opinion.
Lack of ownership is shared between Josh and Betty, but he at least walked in with strategy, and outperformed in comps, and was even able to use social game to get Marty back on side with him for a while (AT THE GHOST’S URGING OF MARTY).
Josh played better than Betty. Kevin played better than Betty. Kevin beats Josh in my assessment tabulations of pros and cons scored our of 100.
THIS IS NOT HOW THE JURY WILL VOTE.
THIS IS HOW I”D VOTE AS A JUROR.
TOTALLY MY OWN OPINION.
Btw… I don’t participate in votes. Not even a Canada’s Juror vote. That’s determined by the edit the episodes only saw, not by what we saw on feeds. Just sayin.
I did a real time episode review for the final 4 eviction.
I may have put it under my old name by accident.
That means it’s likely not going to show up.
Sorry about that folks.
Kevin deserves the win in my opinion. He by far out worked betty and Josh. I knew that Josh wouldn’t keep the CTD together but I wish he would have. Josh has dropped to the bottom of my winners list. I’d rather Betty over him just because lol the jury clips seem like they have an awful hate on for Josh but who knows if that’s accurate. Sad ro see Haleena out.
Let’s hope Josh and Betty don’t go down the ‘had a final 2 the whole time’ route.
They could. Betty was ONE of Josh’s 7 or 8 final two’s in Josh’s first game related D/R of the season. However, that final 2 is contradicted by Betty and Josh in week 9 agreeing they were always friends, but it had never been stated implicitly that they were working together as a pair in the game.
It would be one more production sham, but… good tv. A lot less reality in your reality tv… but this is bbcan since when has reality gotten in the way?
If you can’t tell,
the Role Model tricked into doing bad things, not choosing to play the damn game narrative has soured me almost irrevocalby when it comes to Josh and Betty.
This isn’t sour grapes. This is looking at the storyline and plot devices and saying ‘but that’s not what we saw on feeds.’
It’s Paras allllll over again. Call her a mastermind that always got her way in getting rid of her targets…. then remember on feeds the weekly pouting and tantrumming session that the nominees or evicted houseguest weren’t who she wanted to leave that week.
I’m disappointed Haleena is headed to jury and as Another Name so eloquently and thoroughly outlined her game got the WORST shaft of all from TPTB.
The good news is TPTB may be setting up the game for Kevin to pull out the win after shafting him at F5 with the Betty DR. Let’s face it Haleena was NEVER going to win based on how she was edited & the myriad of revisionist history going on in both the house & the jury.
The ONLY way Kevin stayed over Haleena gives us the heads up TPTB INSISTED on Josh keeping him b/c the entire story line the past two weeks has been what a snake Kev is. The fact he is the better trivia player (between Hal/Betty/& himself) tells me Kevin WILL win one of the two comps to get to that final comp which would be a tough contest between Josh/Kev but an easier win if he faces Betty.
Btw, did anyone else buy that Josh won the final POV & not Haleena? He got lost several times in the maze & made mistakes on his guesses so that felt entirely like a set up.
Still, even though production knew they had twisted Josh’s arm to keep Kevin (and Betty) they continued to get in shots at Haleena as she was headed out the door. Even Arisa didn’t give her what I felt was a well-deserved homage considering the players leaving the doubles & triples got more air time than she did. BOOOOOOOOOO to production for that!
They piled it on with that bogus jury segment. Haleena & Moose had a decent relationship so for him to suddenly be crediting Kevin for all her moves is a joke. Gino & Jace agree they “DESPISE HER” (just stop you two) and calling her a snake is the pot calling the kettle black.
The fact that the showmance had FIVE final 4 deals & was prepared to cut Marty, Kevin & Haleena’s throat if only they had voted for them to stay is perhaps the epitome of their hypocrisy this season. I’d love to be a fly on the wall when Haleena spills that to the jury & calls them both out but we likely won’t be given the privilege of seeing that either.
I also was annoyed by Gino for not revealing how Haleena had given him MOST OF HIS GAME INTEL during his first HOH. Marty also didn’t defend her (that we saw) but at least he was quick to suggest they were all bitter jurors.
Sooooooooo what to expect moving forward…
One of Josh or Betty will win the first HOH if it’s an endurance-based comp (I’m guessing Josh gets that win – although Betty could surprise). The second comp will be tailored for Kevin to beat Betty as it’ll be a combo dates/physical which Kevin will win – and HELLO it’s individually timed so he wins regardless. In fact, if Betty were to shock & win Part 1 – I could even see TPTB making up for their DR Kevin sabotage manipulation by letting Kevin beat Josh in Part 2. I mean they went out of their way to ensure Kevin stayed over Haleena so why go out of your way to shift Josh/Betty on booting Kevin if they aren’t going to go full bore to get him to a F2 chair
Part 3 would be a dog fight if it’s Josh vs. Kevin & both should beat Betty. What I’m not sure of is whether Josh would know the things to study for like Kevin does for that final trivia test. (insert – will TPTB also ensure Kev has all the correct answers for Part 3 along with the perfect tiebreak answer? OR will they be giving those details to Josh?)
At some point in these last few days I’d also expect Kevin will pull aside Betty & spill the details of The Crash Test Dummies to her and how Josh laughed about taking her out in the triple. If Kevin is smart he plays up how Josh has laughed about how stupid & gullible he made Betty look but now as the game nears an end is trying to pretend he was some saint & they were always close but the reality is he is the biggest villain of the season. It could work to make Betty believe she should pick Kevin if she’s given a choice. The key may be Kevin saying – let’s go talk to Josh about it b/c I have no problem discussing this openly now that Josh has turned on the CTD F3 when he always said you at best would only get to F4.
The jury round table will find Haleena outing “the Ghosts” & “the Crash Test Dummies” & b/c Hal/Kev never turned on Josh it will set up Josh as being the one player who was loyal to NO ONE. She’ll systematically go through how Josh didn’t do anything but lie around while Kev/her did all the work until the triple when he finally stepped up to protect them.
If Hal is smart she will also play up how Betty hates Kevin but he convinced her to keep him over her and has Betty believing Josh/her are the superior game players. She’ll out to Jace how Betty told her everything Jace was saying & how Hal KNEW her better move was to keep Jace but b/c she came into the “?” room insulting & attacking Hal after creating F2 deals with each of Kev, Betty & Josh (and not revealing that to Hal) it was clear she couldn’t trust her.
I’d also expect Hal to out how Josh called everyone in jury “stupid” that they don’t recognize there is more to the game than comps. How he threw comps & bragged about how he would get close to people & find out something personal about them (like he did with Hermon) & then they would in turn offer him F2 deals that he never intended to honor. THAT little ditty should work to turn each of Moose, Hermon & Summer against Josh.
As for F2:
If we base Josh/Betty’s two-week-long attacks on Kevin they would BOTH take each other. But, if we base it on what production is setting up I can see the avenue for Kevin not only getting to the F2 but beating whoever he sits beside. It really comes down to whether production’s preference is Josh “the passive-aggressive hero” winning or Kevin the season’s mastermind winning. At least the latter is closer to reality.
It makes ZERO sense for Josh to keep saying “Hal never had to fight – I can beat her at the end” to shift at the last minute & keep Kevin instead of Hal.
When Betty spoke aloud tonight (THREE TIMES) how Kevin hasn’t even played the game & isn’t deserving to win this season it sure felt like TPTB was setting her up for what is to come this week. It’s pretty rich she called out Kevin for not playing the game when she only began playing the game seriously around F5.
What we don’t know is if Josh really would bring Betty to F2 & whether Josh winning F4 HOH/POV would change whether Kev would bring him to F2 or if he would bring Betty. It might be better for him to bring Josh if he chooses b/c then he could play up being the puppet master & if not for him Josh is gone weeks ago.
Then again, I think Another Name NAILED something earlier — WHY did the Ghosts (& Kevin specifically) finally decide to create the Crash Test Dummies? I don’t recall if it was after a DR but that would make a ton of sense if TPTB’s goal was to get Josh to the end.
Finally, it would also make sense that Betty would win Canada’s Favorite based on her underdog story & recent edits. It sure won’t be Hal which is annoying given the game she played & now she won’t even get to be in the end-of-season F3 interviews that garner so much attention.
Yeah – I’m a little salty at how TPTB treated Haleena- but I’ll get over it. Kevin deserves to win of the 3 remaining & if he isn’t in F2 my guess is he’ll win Favorite.
I found Josh to be extremely arrogant and the master of passive-aggressiveness while Betty was extremely condescending and hypocritical. Still, they were likable individuals overall & as I’ve repeatedly noted Betty has literally the best & most infectious laugh/giggle ever.
To reiterate, Kevin or Haleena winning would make the season rank higher for me. Josh or Betty winning only serves to remind us this is more of a scripted entertainment variety show than a true reality show. While I don’t dislike any of the F3 – I don’t have to like having bullsh*t narratives rammed down my throat either.
I’ll be anxious to see the exit interviews & whether Josh sticks with this “hero” BS rhetoric or someone like Taran Armstrong calls him out for his revisionist history.
Anyway – we’ll know in less than 24 hours who wins the season & I’ll hold out hope Kevin can pull it off but sadly feel like TPTB have set this up for Josh to take home.
Final Honest assessment:
Kevin.
I’ve had to think about this one, even harder than Haleena’s assessment. It’s not that his game is yay or boo. It’s that his game is chaos, and organizing thoughts on chaos is difficult.
Kevin walked in with the Intro video that sounded like a superfan antichrist. I wanted to hate him immediately because I figured play up to the cameras, overdo it, and early boot for this.
He did overdo it. He did play up to the cameras, but he also became the prime focus of game action for the season.
Kevin was the replacement nom week one. Some conversations in late game indicated he volunteered on behalf of Haleena to be the renom. A joke was nobody is going to keep the names straight between Malina and Haleena, so better throw Kevin up. * Gee was volunteering so that the vote wouldn’t be questionable because of name similarity the reason there was a payola door for just the first week? A thought for you to mull.
Week one Kevin showed that he would go to any length to survive. He played dumb, and he ratted out like he was carrying the plague, infecting absolutely everyone with information overload.
He continued to play dumb far too long in my opinion, but he wasn’t called to task. He should have been. He wasn’t.
Kevin continued to sew chaos in his off the wall tiff with Betty. Gee, Betty flew off the handle because she didn’t understand a game move and being a pawn? Well of course she did, because one thing about early game Betty, she was an occupant, not a big brother contestant.
Socially, everyone liked Kevin, even Betty who hated Kevin. His silliness helped him stay somewhat sane and endeared him to a house full of narcissistic assholes. Got a better desciption? They were.
Week three is where Kevin earned some of his game credibility. HE GOT MARTY TO KEEP JOSH. IT WAS MARTY’S INSISTENCE THAT JOSH BE NOMINATED!!!!! Anyone with doubt about Kevin’s game: keep that in mind.
Kevin had everyone snowed except Hermon. This isn’t owing to Hermon’s perceptions. This is owing to Kevin calling out Hermon’s game to a T in hopes of working with Hermon.
Mr. alphabrocompsmatter didn’t like one of the underserving clocking him, and saying they are playing the same style of game. THAT IS THE REALITY. Kevin walked in thinking Rebel Rejects, and walked out a member of the Bargain Bin. Now, while this is a game error, the actual fault of the misunderstanding lies with Summer, who said she wanted the alliance, said she’d do the footwork to Hermon, and… deciding actually gaming wasn’t worth her effort and did nothing. I’m being somewhat catty in how i phrased that… but i’m also calling a spade a spade. Not Sorry. Why did Hermon not like Kevin from a personal not game standpoint: Hermon was trying to be Mr. face of the season entertainer, always on 11. Kevin was also trying to be Mr. face of the season entertainer, always on 11. See the problem??? Jealous rivalry on Hermon’s part. Like every other facet of his game. Everything was about being top dog, even pandering to cams.
So, Kevin was good with everyone except Hermon. He was in alliances all over the place.
The show edit wants you to think the Heart alliance with Jess was his priority until Jess… checked out at which point the Ghosts with Haleena was revealed. He had other final 2 deals. Haleena knew about them. They were fake. Kevin was in the Comedians with Hermon. He had a final 2 with Marty, and it’s been said there was an early final 2 he proposed to Summer, and an on again off again partnership with the showmance. Kevin’s main alliances were the Five (backup) he wanted called the Curtain. He was in the Rebel rejects and the Bargian Bin, that met once and never met again. He was the creator of the Crash Test Dummies. At first I thought the pull Josh in part was a ‘keep your enemies closer ploy, having recongnized Josh’s game.’ Oh he recognized Josh’s game all right, and proceeded to protect him for weeks on end. Still wanting to know if there was a d/r call before that out of the blue connnection and alliance offer. Because it was always odd.
THERE WAS NOT A MOVE OR AN EVICTION IN THE GAME FROM WEEK 3 TO WEEK 8 THAT WASN’T ORCHESTRATED BY THE GHOSTS. If you are questioning Kevin’s strategic social prowess, REMEMBER THAT.
Kevin was HORRIBLE in comps. However, Kevin didn’t participate in his first Veto until about WEEK 6. This is why his score for comp ability looks skewed. EVERY OTHER MEMBER of the final 3 played in at least 3 more comps than he did. That affects percentage. But yeah. he was bad.
KEVIN’S GAME WAS RUINED BY PRODUCTION.
No way around that elephant in the room.
Kevin won one veto. He was nominated twice.
He and Haleena manipulated 5 HOH’s to do their bidding without ever having been HOH themselves. Think about that. Kevin was the gut when everyone said they had a feeling in their gut. Haleena was the idea when anyone said i’ve got an idea.
THAT IS SOCIAL GAME.
And to reiterate: A d/r visit on Saturday night before veto completely screwed Kevin’s game, and as a byproduct ruined Haleena’s game too.
See my idea of the three part storyline evolution for any questions on that score.
It was around that time that Kevin left d/r crying that he wanted to win the money, not make good tv…. and internal chaos Kevin showed up. Sideye. Suspicious? I am.
QUESTION: What was the point of the from time to time pick a door if you survive eviction twist… if they only did it once? See above and my Haleena/Malina voter confusion thought.
QUESTION: So we all know it’s reality entertainment programming, not a gameshow. We all know they have multiple writers, storyline AND plotline developpers. We all know SHENANIGANS happen. BUT: have you ever seen such a blatant D/R Gremlining in the end of the game that Completely ruined…. oh wait. Josh getting d/r advice for his goodbyes and Insider information in USbb19. Kevin GOT Pauled… only Kevin was owning his game to the jurors.
So there you go. The players that owned the game, able to eliminate their targets for weeks on end without ever winning HOH, GOT PLAYED BY PRODUCTION so that the feel good ROLE MODEL Good People Storyline could play out. Gee. Good tv…. barf.
i wish there was something lower than lower case when i say this: yay.
EYEROLL.
An exit interview with Haleena has been released by the network.
I don’t think they did a tik tok.
No idea on when the interview happened.
She thinks the jury believes Josh played too personal in his social game promises.
She thinks the jury believes he played the game too dirty for this reason.
She is pro Betty and pro Kevin at this point.
She says the jury does put stock in comp wins, so Kevin would have to win one of the final comps to get more consideration from the jury. She says his game was bloodless, he got others to get blood on his hands so his would be clean.
She says Betty has comps, and has been keeping secrets? What, that she knew Hermon pre-game? Everyone knows that.
Don’t read too much into this exit interview. The network ones… how do i say this, production tool for increased drama. I can name 3 seasons where exit interviews of final 5 and 4 jurors sounded damning… only to have overwhelming votes for a winner.
It’s all for the sake of drama is my point.
Remember last season when the network jury release was lauding Breydon and anyone’s game? Exactly. My. Point.
I’m sitting here dumbfounded by the latest spew.
Three new spoiler accounts opened up today.
Each one is written with the same grammatical idiosyncrasies.
Each one claims insider info.
Each one claims a different winner. So… yay, whoever that is: You have 100% chance of being 33% right.
I’m still sitting here in Josh has the night one edit advantage position. Josh has the golden edit for the season.
Is there ANYTHING that COULD alter that?
A season 3 shuffling of the deck between casting and first episode after the promos had been released? Hmmmm.
The week five disappearance of Jess as HOH on feeds and the sudden appearance of Haleena in epsode edit added to the week 9 d/r gremlin hack job of Kevin. Could that mean there was a deck shuffle?
It’s po—ssible. But my head is still telling me despite interviews saying the jury is bitter against Josh, It’s a comp wins matter jury. Sure they’re bitter. Remember when Da’vonne was bitter AF in 18? Hmmm. Never buy the jury press. If we bought jury press, Breydon would have won last season. Kaela would have won 6.
They aren’t going for unanimous Jury this time, but are they trying to engineer a for the fans victory with a finale jury vote? Sideye. Not sure.
The EDIT still says Josh, but does the production reactions to complaints from social media this season have ANY effect? Certainly got their attention week 5 when production is racist complaints streamed in. Imagine, calling executive producer Arisa racist. Remember buzzkill’d night? Another production is intentionally trying to screw Summer call came out over social media along with a shit storm of complaints to the network (she threw the HOH the next day).
I’m not hedging. I’m still of the mind frame that Josh is the recipient of the Golden Edit.
As with every season, and all things big brother… I’m never 100%. Ever.
I’m going with: 80-85 percent Josh.
Kevin deserved to win but I didn’t think he had a shot to reach F2 after that DR sabotage in F5 — then the Josh/Betty F4 chats, Josh HOH/POV F3 with continuing “Kevin’s a rat” & losing Part 3 in the tiebreak.
Just goes to prove Kevin truly was the strategist and ALL that work he put in with Josh selling how Betty beats everyone paid off (although I’m not sure Josh could’ve beat her either).
Kevin KILLED his Q&A and speech – even before the vote you knew he’d won b/c Josh refused to own anything & it cost him in the end. The only surprise was even after cutting Betty she still voted for Josh (and was the ONLY one who did).
Well no – (two surprises) I was also surprised Marty won Canada’s favorite based on social media that seemed to be skewed heavily toward Betty.
Fitting end to the season with the rightful winner.
Totally agree ! I’m SO glad Kevin won, he totally deserved it. And I felt really bad for Betty I thought for sure that Josh was going to keep her. She looked devastated, and it just made Josh a bigger jerk to me. Why go through keeping her at the 4. He might as well have cut her then. At least he would have kept his word with the CTD’s. Ah well I’m happy with the outcome ! Also surprised at Marty as fave houseguest lol
MINIRANT
Here’s the thing:
The cockadoodie feed blocks are making me look like a fool.
Here I am saying Kevin was safest in the house. 24 hour feed block and Kevin exposed.
Here I am saying Gino only has 3% chance of nomination. 6 hour feed block and we’re picking Gummi Bears to put Gino on the block.
Sorry everyone.
LMAO… this makes so little sense when everything of consequence happens during feed outages. Oh, right, there’s an episode in an hour to explain some of this.
EASTER EPISODE
REVIEW
Recap took a few minutes. blahblahblah.
Post Eviction
Summer d/r thinks she did something. Her campaign sucked.
Jace d/r and Gino d/r: oh crap Marty is pissy.
Moose talked to Marty, spilled that Gino wanted a back door.
Jace, Gino plan to reveal the secret.that Jace had the power.
Comp prep shown.
Gino reveals to Marty RIGHT before the HOH (SUS AF imo, but hey… it’s Marty).
HOH: MOUNT HOH (do they play with time? HOUSE Said 4 hour comp)
Btw: Arisa is overdubbed. It’s not actually her, it’s comp producer explaining.
Kevin struggle immediately.
Summer d/r she wants to win.
Kevin is out after 8 minutes. Kevin d/r 220 lb. Embarrassing he says to be first out.
Styrofoam rocks and water so far.
Haleena out after 17 minutes. klutz landing. bounces head on ground.
Four hours ten minutes.
Gino snores, he fell asleep during comp.
Jace eyes Summer slipping. Four hours 43 minutes they say.
Arm hang only is the new rule (they brace with their feet).
Jace has no arm strength. Jace out Five hours 2 minutes.
Josh out Five hours 3 minutes.
Betty d/r life is on the line.
Kevin d/r is excited by this final 2 on the comp.
Marty d/r pry me off the wall. (in house he was dying).
Betty is in tears. Says now he’s putting us up.
Marty is the new HOH
Marty and Kevin chat. Marty feels outcast He won 3 HOH. Nobody is going to influence my decisions. He’s pissypants he didn’t get a hero parade. They’ve lived through 2 HOH… they don’t want a third week of shit.
Gino lies to Marty. There was no plot last week. There was we know.
Betty is having the sympathy edit. Josh joins. She’s wallowing.
Betty doens’t want to do the HOH reveal. Play the game Josh says.
Betty d/r Brittney about the HOH reveal, but sad level.
Marty’s wardrobe is Winner’s now.
I’m with Betty, I don’t like HOH reveals either.
Summer crunches food. Room stops.
Haleena and Kevin should be able to exert influence. They want Gino out but can’t.
Maybe it’s time to take out Josh talk. They think he threw so Betty would win and get the blood while he rode middle… COULD BE!!! Kevin d/r They don’t think they win against him at the end.
Betty’s eyes are swollen. Josh is whatever. They’re showing how Marty’s HOH’s feel. Target not target, going up not going up… sky is blue sky is black.
Josh d/r play the game he’s in power.
Gino and Marty talk.
Betty target. Marty talks final 2 with Gino. KICK YOUR FEET UP (KISS OF DEATH)
Jace d/r when Marty says kick your feet up…. that’s a curse.
Betty out unless she wins VETO is the mood.
JOSH / MARTY
apologize for Betty’s moody bitchy aspects.
Marty says game not personal. Betty is target.
Josh d/r: I go out the door… I’m going to jury sooooo.
Consider Jury Marty is Josh’s thought.
BETTY JOSH:
search for a prize. Josh reveals Betty is target.
HAL MARTY:
Hal d/r you’re my number three Marty but you don’t need to know that.
She tells him she is protecting him by avoiding him.
MARTY OFFERS WENDY’S TO HAL AND BETTY TOGETHER.
Marty meets Dane and calls him Dan.
None of the game talk during Wendy’s shown.
Houseguests Gathered. Kevin called to D/R
Kevin reads the safety results: SUMMER WINS.
Summer d/r thanks Canada. she says she won’t be renom now.
Marty d/r I got blood for Hal / Kev last time. This time we’re doing it the crazypants way!!!
BETTY AND JOSH ARE NOMINATED
You’re a duo. You’ll come for me. Play veto.
Betty d/r 3x on the block. You’ll regret it.
Josh d/r 0 for 23 comps. big threat as a duo.
KEVIN WASN’T EXPOSED IN THE EDIT. SIDEYE. WTactualF????
we all know production saved summer, not canada. marty doesnt realize he needs gino in this game. what an idiot. this season is taking a terrible turn. gino gets done dirty. only hope for this season now is kevin winning. but by the look of the majority of that jury it wont happen. production 100% wants summer, betty, or haleena to win.
I think Gino would play better if he wasn’t in a showmance. I wanted him and Marty to work together from the beginning, but Jace messed it up. Lol
There are few people that are just riding along, not doing much (Summer, Jacey-Lynn, Haleena, Josh, Betty…) I would love to see Kevin, Marty, maybe Gino in the finale.
One more.
Conversational Oddities.
Kevin has been called out for talking to Betty in front of Josh and Summer, because he’s not allowed to talk to them as per the crazy cueball.
Haleena tells Kevin she had to break Marty’s brain and put it back together weeks ago, because he kept saying Kevin was doing thumbs up and she needed him to blame someone else for the failed flip. Hal is why Marty decided Betty was the thumbs up. I didn’t KNOW that.
She doesn’t think they should keep Jace in the dark about the vote. She even puts forth the thought that they should think about keeping Gino. Kevin thinks Jace’ll be broken and crying. Haleena thinks she’ll be pissed and fired up to win. (I’m going with Haleena’s assessment of Jace’s reaction, look at the circumstances of the last two vetoes she won).
Hal wonders if Josh would turn on them. Kevin notes Josh crying when Kevin was doing his task. (Josh would save Kevin, but if Hal were on the block with Betty? Buhbye Haleena). Actually, she’s said four times (last week and today) that she knows she isn’t making it to the finals, so she’ll sell the jury on Kevin’s real game.
Why would Gino tell Hal that he’s trying to get Summer’s vote? Wth?
Kev tells Josh about Marty’s scewed up statistical analysis in the gummi picks.
Marty held the cup at an angle where Hal could see the red one, and so she avoided it. So reasonably speaking, she wasn’t even part of a statistical variable due to human error.
Summer thinks they can trick Jace into taking out the wildcards (Hal and Kevin). She says this to Josh and Betty while she’s doing some shit talking about other people shit talking.
Their egos are getting a little high, considering Summer hasn’t done a positive game adjustment in 4 weeks. I’ll go easy for today because circumstance (dr and the gummi gods) smiled on them, but if the cocky continues i’m going to have to tell her to take a seat.
What screws up the current situation: Summer gets her ego going and tries to cozy on Jace to be her personal weapon. Josh keeps pushing for both Summer and Betty to be safe with Hal and Kev so he can keep in the middle (they know he’s doing that). Discussions of targeting Hal or Kevin get back to them. they are the swing. It’s Monday night. Eviction is Thursday. Expect oddities and feedblocks and SOMEbody to do something stupid before Wednesday night.
If they follow historical precedent: The triple HOH comp should be q/a regarding speeches during ceremonies. Marty Gino and Kevin have those down better than the others… but Betty and Josh will remember the speeches while they were on the block. Summer will only remember her own nom speech by Gino. Haleena might as well bring crayons and a colouring book. Jace? X factor, I really don’t know.
Something to get people angry with me:
Tuesday AM
Campaigning and Triple Plotting
Josh is saying he’s terriffied of having to nom Betty and Summer but knows he has to.
Oh, please. You saw him cry when he thought Kevin was self-evicting. He’s not putting Betty up, he’d do Haleena.
Hal asks Josh if she wins triple which of Summer or Betty to nom. Josh doesn’t clearly say.
Kevin and Josh are plotting in front of Haleena the ‘perfect’ final four of Josh Kevin Haleena and Betty. Nobody has told Betty because Betty doesn’t like Haleena (and truth be known, hasn’t since week 1 prefeeds).
Jace is trying to get everyone to look at Haleena instead of her in the triple. She’s gone to Betty to say Haleena knew about the ceasefire (final four) with Betty / Josh and showmance. Jace has told Betty about the final 2 with Marty. She withheld the final 2 Jace made with Haleena. Wait until Hal tells Betty Jace was secret veto.
Summer thinks she’s actively flipping a vote that flipped the moment the red gummi arrived.
Kevin is half trying to be caught talking to Josh or Betty, so that he can justify his vote.
Betty and Summer have decided that Hal is the bottom of the girl’s tribe. They like Jace better. (they want Jace to win comps for them).
Jace tells Gino that Betty was trying to manipulate her (Betty was trying to manipulate her and scoop her up as a weapon).
Gino is looking for a power. A backyard lockdown is coming.
KEVIN / JACE CHECK IN
Basics:
the gummi thing was whack. Kevin laughed while it was going on. Haleena laughed at Kevin laughing.
Moose must have started the showmance Josh/Betty rumor. (nope, Kevin was the one that got Betty to do it, so knows it’s not a rumor).
Just because Marty has been a bumbling butthead, don’t take it out on poor Gino.
She reveals she had the secret veto, but wanted to show trust in the five.
Given Gino has promised a final 3 to Summer, with option to include a fourth… what are the chances that gets out????
I actually wouldn’t mind an exposed party that makes the gummi thing less nutjob, and more happy coincidence due to over-aligning. I mean, this isn’t candy land and Marty isn’t the peculiar purple pie man of porcupine peak (pie man had more hair).
Okay, Kevin and Hal think it’s cute (exact word choice) that Summer thinks she’s controlling the non existant flip of the vote… I’m not so impressed.
Hal/Kevin/Jace:
Betty is starting rumors about Haleena, Jace says (Jace has been too).
Hal knows Josh is cutting her before Summer and Betty, and the three of them haven’t ONCE come to Kevin and Haleena to go to final 5. Kevin notes that’s a good point.
Kevin still thinks that Gino is the move even though Hal says she’s getting evicted if they do, because Betty and Summer and Josh will evict her before each other.
There was talk of an eviction vote flip on eviction day by Summer to convince Jace to keep Hermon. Moose also pushed for that flip. Betty would have been out, So why is Haleena so low on the ladder is the question Hal has, because she stuck to her word.
Jace/Gino
They think Gino is being evicted. Jace threatens she will tell Kev Hall that she’s joining up with Summer to evict them if they vote out Gino.
Kevin/Haleena/Josh
Real outside yard. Kevin is ‘crying’ about Haleena being screwed over. He considers sticking with the 5 becaise Summer and Betty are for sure gunning for Haleena (and he’s known for a while). Josh joins: Kevin tells him no bs, are you actually prepared to let go of Betty, or are you going to screw the dummies over? Hal tells Josh Betty has been making overtures to Jace and Kev says Betty is playing ‘she said / she said’ crap. Josh is trying to calm and reassure Kevin. He says there was talk of pulling in Jace, Hal says it’s more than talk it’s in effect, that’s what they’re doing. Josh says we’ve got rough waters ahead. Kevin asks why there isn’t a final 5 deal between the Betty Josh Summer trio and the Kevin Josh Haleena trio. Airplane flies for Josh’s response (they’re in hot tub area). Kevin called to D/R. Josh says the house guests will hate them when they find out the three of us played them. Note: i never actually HEARD Josh say he’s willing to cut Betty. He said hard choices, he said rough waters… he didn’t make a declaration that I HEARD.
KEVIN’S THOUGHTS:
His logic isn’t completely wrong. That final 5 deal would be the icing to keep Josh when he already has a final 5 deal on the other end and Josh shouldn’t be kept in the centre by Kev/Haleena’s work without any benefit to Kev/Haleena (that’s what the Tynesha vote did).
Josh / Summer
Josh tells Summer that Haleena would rather keep Josh, she’s logical about the power of a showmance, and doesn’t want to rely on Marty or the showmance (they’re sketch). He tells Summer he’d like to get closer to Haleena, he told her his targets are Marty and Jace.
(Josh isn’t, and has never in my opinion, pushed or deflected targeting enough for the other dummies, he benefits and does nothing FOR them). Betty joins: Summer is pushing for a Haleena nom, and Josh is not pushing for that final 5. Case in point, he should be pushing Jace, he isn’t. He isn’t planning to campaign to Jace because it feels disrespectful. He tells them he feels good with Kevin and Haleena’s votes, but they have to keep up a facade with Marty right now to keep the peace. From what I got, Josh now knows for a fact that Betty and Summer would evict Haleena over Jace in a triple. He didn’t try to dissuade them, he’s silent. All three would save Kevin in renom situation in a triple. Josh has to be secretly thinking if Summer or Betty is HOH in a triple and noms don’t change, Kevin and Josh control the vote… doesn’t he? He’s known for days that his second trio is out to get a member of his prime trio.. and said nothing until confronted. Hmm. Josh is a Beta’s Beta. Betty asks Josh to be a bridesmaid in her wedding. Well that’s a buhbye Haleena in my head.
EXIT INTERVIEWS
Moose logic: he thinks Gino has pulled out clutch wins in comps when he needed to. Honeylamb… that was Jace. He doesn’t understand social game, because he thinks everyone played a good social game, so comp wins are what he will look at as a juror.
Blink. Blink. Yeah, Moose and Hermon are going to be Bruno and Bobby of this jury (only our friend, a man, that played comps matter deserves to win).
Moose is most against a Josh win now. He thinks now that Kevin won a comp he’s more deserving. In one interview he praises Summer’s social game (but lambchop… you just said in the other interview EVerYone pLaYeD A gOoD SoSHull GayMe… Only comps matter dipshit). Comps matter but Summer gets named???? mmhmm. Somebody told Moose she won a fan vote, so he’s sucking up, riiiiiiiiiiight.
Added bonus: Moose says he and Hermon are same page, and they’ve been discussing each house guest at great length to come up with Gino or Marty should win. I can hear that convo now: Can’t have thoooose floaters representing our season… so Gino or Marty??? Okay Herms, Sounds Good.
Thought: Moose tried to play the mastermind game. He SHOULD respect a social mastermind game that was actually successsful, but won’t because he’s so indoctrinated by the season tone cult of comps are everything.
Exit interviews of jury members are RARELY the juror’s own thoughts, they are whatever production has debriefed them about. I’m not kidding, same past juror that told me they see the goodbye messages in whole off camera also told me the juror press interviews are not totally on the up and up, there’s fact and fiction from debrief tied together so that their perceptions come across as fitting with the show edit.
IN CASE ANYONE IS CONFUSED ABOUT THE CURRENT VOTE DEBATE.
Josh’s silence about bringing in Jace instead of Haleena so that he can stay the likeable middle guy that doesn’t stick his neck out but collects all the benefits is basically the root.
Kevin has been in a pissy mood.
He tells Josh that Josh needs to reassure Haleena because those four are promising her 20k seat and Josh is wishy washy about Betty.
Why is he really pissy?
Remember that final four that Marty and the showmance made with Haleena (not present for the discussion)… Marty told Kevin. So now Kevin is pissy that Jace was manipulating him with the final four talk with Kev / Haleena and final three talk with showmance / Kevin.
He also must have thought Haleena is keeping stuff from him (let’s remember he gives her 60% and she gives him 95% of all intel). This is feeling like a Kevin act to me.
Meanwhile Summer is saying directly they’d keep Jace in the triple because Summer doesn’t like Haleena. Jace is thinking Summer is just schmoozing her the same way Betty did earlier.
REASON FOR THIS:
Kevin is locked on getting rid of Gino. He’s been pulling today’s trip to get Haleena on board with it. Haleena admits they knew that Betty and Summer were going to try to pull in Jace, and that the two were coming for her, they’ve known for a while. Kevin says Josh is locked in with them (he…. isn’t really 100% locked with Haleena, he’d still prefer Betty).
Haleena talks about how mean Betty is to her again (off and on pattern). He’s TOTALLY playing on her repressed anger about how the house sees her. She’s biting, even though she KNOWS this puts her in an eviction chair.
SUSPICION:
Josh’s lack of comp wins added to his connection to Summer and Betty brings Kevin into a more secure spot in the game, and a greater chance of final 2. In his math, Haleena has outgrown her usefulness because she can’t bring in intel anymore when the five breaks.
HE NEEDS HER IN THE JURY HOUSE SELLING HIS GAME TO THE JURY.
LATE NIGHT TUESDAY UPDATE (I’ll try to get as much as i can because I’m getting the feeling there’s going to be Tension and “drama” and Late night snacking).
Kevin told Betty that getting rid of Gino opens up the lanes for others to get to finals, even Jace if she were really being honest.
Summer joins and Kevin says Jace swore that she never pushed for Kevin to go on the block. Summer says total lie. Kevin says he knows, that’s why he’s keeping Josh and lying to the showmance, but he’s going to take tremendous heat so they have to make sure to keep him safe. Summer asks if Hal is in on the lie tactic too. Kevin doesn’t declare and doesn’t push for the final 5, he more downplays his connection to Haleena.
Summer swears Josh/Betty/Summer will never ever nominate Kevin. Kevin tells her if the HOH is head to head they HAVE to take out Jace first or he’s a dead man.
Summer promises.
Marty catches Kevin talking to Summer and Betty. Kevin isn’t allowed to talk to them or Josh.
They comment ooooo- you’re in TROU–BULLLLLLL. Kevin doesn’t care he’s sick of Marty telling him what to do.
Betty tells Josh that Kevin is keeping him but mum’s the word. Summer tells them if it’s head to head take out Jace first. They agree. Betty and Summer add then Haleena right after Jace.
Haleena is telling Jace she’s alone and an outsider and she knows Betty and Summer are going to mean girl her out of the house. Jace says she feels outsider and Summer says she feels outsider. Jace wonders why Hal is off with her and being quiet. She wants to know what Hal knows. Hal worries that what if Kevin DOES flip as the showmance fears… she’ll have to flip as well or the entire house is going to be coming for Haleena and she’ll have nobody because she knows Summer is trying to pull in Jace. Jace still wants to know what Hal knows, and will let her be in her feels tonight, but tomorrow they have to get together and get to work. THIS CONVO IS GOING TO DOMINO
Jace leaves, tears up and repeatedly says ohmigawd.
Haleena goes to Josh to vent. She says she was told if the vote flips, all Haleena has in Kevin and the rest of the house will come after Haleena. She says she told Jace that if she was flipping she would tell Jace… what more does she want???
Jace tells Gino that Hal is worried that if Kevin flips she has to flip as well or be the next one evicted. Jace is REALLY pissed with Kevin. Gino says he will talk to them tonight or tomorrow. Jace thinks Marty telling Kevin who he can and can’t talk to is sinking Gino. Gino says he will tell Kev and Hal if they want Marty out, let’s do it together and get him out. They think that Marty needs to apologize to Kevin and Haleena for being a dictator and forcing them to agree to demands about who they could and couldn’t talk to. It’s not a coach move, it’s tearing the team apart.
Gino goes to HOH to inform Marty of the Kev/Hal situation. Kevin is already there. Talk is about how amazing Marty was in HOH, how obvious it is that Summer/Betty/Josh are a trio, and how they’ll soon know about the 5 once the vote is done. Kevin leaves.
Gino spills. Marty thought Kevin was going to blow up earlier, but it was just Kevin’s sinuses. he says he caught Kevin breaking the rules and talking to Summer and Betty. Gino explains the weird convo between Jace and Hal.
Marty says if Kevin flips, both Marty and Haleena are doomed (or was it if Kev flips and that makes Hal flip Marty is dead in water… I’m not 100%, you try translating Acadian to Quebecois franglais at close to midnight). Adds Jace will be pissed. Marty thinks Jace is paranoid, and he may have doubted Kevin, but never Haleena. Marty offers to talk to Haleena for Gino to make sure Jace’s paranoia didn’t cause harm. Gino says this wouldn’t have happened if Marty just put Kevin up as renom then they could have even flipped the vote on Kevin and still been a 4. Marty said the Gummies were a team builder. (Ed. Broken telephone, Jace told Gino if kevin flips, haleena has to flip. Gino told Marty Kevin and Haleena might flip… Jace depends on Gino to deliver Marty talk and he is the crossed wire of message delivery).
Gino is going to search for Kevin and Haleena. Me: I wonder if everyone else is in expedia? That would be funny/bad/drama/popcorn. Marty is now searching for Kevin and Haleena…. who ARE in expedia with the banned people. Gino knows they are in expedia. Jace asks GIno to make sure that her convos be kept out of Marty’s mouth. Marty agrees not to mention Jace’s conversation. Gino goes to lie down. Lots of French swear words coming from Marty. If it sounds like an item found in a church… it’s likely also a quebecois swear word.
Gino staring into space. (I wonder if he’s envisioning Gummiebears dancing around his head).
Marty playing pool and stressing. shoots one ball and he’s off….
They’re going to have to cut feeds soon when Marty goes ballistic that Kevin and Hal disobeyed direct orders and sat in a room with those three. oh wait…
Marty goes to Jace who fixes the broken telephone. Now Jace and Marty and Gino are ALL stressing that IF Kevin flips, Haleena feels she HAS to flip as well. Marty doesn’t get why they are possibly giving up a sure thing with the five ( Ed. could it be the four, the three and the two deals allll over the place, and making them play gummi roulette, and telling them Gino is off limits until Gino volunteered?) Marty still thinks Hal and Kevin are team 5, tells Jace not to worry… scrubbing your hands in the sink pretty hard for someone unbothered, Martian.
Half hour later Gino eats his feelings and joins expedia. Kevin has just told his Jay tried to flip the vote week one saying gotta get rid of the whites story again.
I left for a minute or two. Sorry.
Kevin and Hal are in the bathroom planning a download about the Jace convo. Hal is stressing, Kevin’s response was stress toothbrushing. Summer is right there in the shower.
Gino finally talks to Kevin: What’s up with Haleena? Kevin blames Marty’s regime of terror and babysitting. Gino admits Marty’s paranoia is a bad look. This is the If things flip it’s because Marty is a control freak and there’s a rebellion going on talk. Kevin didn’t like the Gummie situation, *he rolled on the floor laughing, literally when Marty pulled the gummie cup out. Marty told Kevin he had to report every word of any conversation with ‘the others’, and Kevin isn’t liking that.
Gino is showering, everyone else is in bed.
ED. Gino should be canoeing against the current with a teaspoon instead of a paddle because of the final 4 with Josh and Betty, the final 3 with Summer, the promise to target Hal/Kev/Marty for her vote, the final 3 with Marty, the final four excluding Kevin, and keeping them out of last week’s blindside, and Jace pushing for Kevin to be renom and Jace telling people Marty and Hal have a final 2. Kevin and Haleena know ALL of that. NOTICE: Gino and Jace didn’t want to formalize the final four with Kevin and Haleena (he called them the floaters in the blue bedroom when they had this talk a few days ago) because they weren’t cool enough and the showmance didn’t think they’d be good ambassadors for the season. THE ONLY REASON FOR DEBATE: the target shift. Kevin had hoped they’d shift to Marty and Jace. Nope, they want Jace to be their sword, it shifted to Marty and Haleena. She knows she’s tanked in the game.
EASY OUT IN CASE OF CONFRONTATION: You HAD our votes, then you went to Summer and told her you’d target US. Don’t blame US for YOU getting greedy and promising to backstab US for SUMMER’S VOTE. (Semantic shift that puts the onus on Gino as responsible for his own demise). Why don’t they ever come up with semantic defenses while talking about flipping???? That’s the first thing they should do. Come up with plausible deniability before you commit the crime. Sheesh.
TTOT & AN or anyone else … “tinfoil hat” theory … thoughts??
All day yesterday we saw an extremely calm, cool & collected Marty (very very odd behaviour) truly believing in this group of 5 … Marty has always been suspicious & paranoid whenever he sees Hal or Kev with Josh, Betty & Summer ALL season … Gino & Jace have gone to him with their concern that Kev or Hal might flip the vote a few times yesterday & Marty is STILL somewhat calm, cool, collected & believing in the 5 … VERY odd behaviour after POV noms on a Marty HOH … just sayin … lol
Considering all the long feed blockages during Marty’s other HOH reigns … What if Marty opened up a Pandora’s Box or something during 1 of his HOH reigns that gave him a “special power” where noms could change secretly after POV right before live eviction (kinda like the invisible HOH power) & he is putting them through a test to watch to see who might flip before eviction & then change the nominees??
Yes I am off my rocker a bit … lol … maybe a way for production to redeem Gino from the Red Gummy Bear … lol.
Only 1 secret power (Jace’s SPOV last week) has been put in play & isn’t there sometimes more than 1 secret or special power in a season??
P.S. Blame Hamza & his spoilers (that have been spot on this season) for my tinfoil hat theory … on April 11 (week Jace won Secret POV) … he tweeted “Martin has more power than we can see” … lmao
P.S.S Love reading your updates, opinions & reads on the houseguests 🙂
I don’t think the SHOW would hide a power for THAT long. They like the big gotcha moment reveal too much historically to do that.
Think season 2 butt veto by Allison. She had that big old red veto wedged up her crack for over 2 weeks…. but we knew she had it.
LMFAO … Exactly!! Marty alone could never keep it secret that long!! Full disclosure … my tinfoil hat was rather tight last few days with his non-erratic behaviour & all the really long feed blocks last week … lmao. His “calm” level of (non) paranoia IS just SO suspicious … dontcha think? He seriously has me baffled last 2 days … lmao
However … Red Gummy Bear created some good chaos for tomorrow night’s triple eviction!! What is it Business B would say … It’s going to ICONIC! 🙂
I still wish I’d seen the d/r gremlin that straightface told Marty to use Gummibears to decide the renom. I mean, how do you do that without a facecrack????
Agreed with AN – if there was another power we’d know by now.
Think about how trying Marty HOH’s have been to the live feeders multiply that by 10 for what Production must be dealing with & my only conspiracy theory for Marty is he could find a special power & go to the DR with it – & they would invent it means he has just lost the ability to play in comps for the next two HOH/POV’s (LOL)
Wednesday:
Usually waffles, but today it’s more like french toast.
Logic Assessment:
Marty and Gino had a thought a few days ago: You and me trade off HOH’s for the rest of the game and get rid of everyone.
Why of why would anyone want to get rid of one of them if they are on the block?
Jace popping her head into the red bedroom so often when she hasn’t been in that room since the Men had their Men’s Only HOH drinks night brofest (and left out Kevin) is suspicious to the house. That was five weeks ago.
Marty is still following those damn kids around just in case they are meeting with the segregated list people.
Hal and Josh talked about their ‘final 2’s’ with Marty and Herms after the Marty/Herms final 2 fell apart.
The Dummies met. Hal still feels Betty is giving her bitchface, and Hal hasn’t done anything to Betty to deserve the latest round of bitchface. Josh says he gets it.
Kev/Hal reveal to Josh that Jace had secret veto and they know she’s on the up and up about it because the secret room is where he had to go to see Marsha. Josh tells them to tell Betty/Summer.
Jace pops in.
Kevin doesn’t care. He’s tired of Big Papa and the den mother monitoring his movements.
Jace talks to Hal. Sorry she was so skanked out last night when they talked re/ the DOMINO EFFECT CONVERSATION. Hal said Josh was giving them his pitch, it’s not like they can just say he can’t campaign.
Summer / Hal chats have been happening
Hal takes every bus she can find to run over Jace in rapid succession. Let’s put it this way: Haleena is good at spinning victim and collects information as a game style… Jace should have tire marks for a week.
Betty / Summer chats have been happening in response to the bus fleet. Jace is looking pretty bad, and Betty and Summer are deluding themselves with attestations that they never said any of the things they said about Jace being their choice over Haleena. OOOH they said them, but Hal revealing that Jace was the secret veto, so there was no Marty backdoor, and Hal was saving Josh by not using the veto last week… that has changed Summer’s mind. (Hal has deniability with this. She wasn’t in on the back door, and Gino asked her if she wanted to make the big move with the veto not let’s evict Marty, it’s a lie that can work because of not being in on the plan and semantic spin).
Betty is pretty blasé about Hal saying she isn’t black or white but feels closer to B/S/J. Considering Betty has said she’s only a target because of her race, I think her cavalier attitude about someone else talking racial exclusion shouldn’t be so blasé. But it’s Betty so the hypocrisy is understandable. Try me: there’s receipts about her hypocrisy.The season started with 16 people is my headspace. In the house…. there’s been a lot of bias discussed, perceived, and made vernacular. There’s a reason Haleena and Jess were the bottom of the Mandems and Siblings. There’s a reason Summer and Tynesha felt bottom of the Savage 7. There’s a reason Kyle and Gino worried about being bottom of the Savage 7. Marty… okay devils advocate vs. perception. ( 1- original target Steph, made deal, targeted Steph’s closest friends, got rid of Jay 2- targeted Jay’s closest house connection and the pawn that didn’t take pawning well, 3- targeted the previous targets because of his paranoia and not wanting to make MORE enemies… that is a case that can be made, but I don’t know if it’s his case, he could just be a prejudiced person… I DON’T KNOW but a case can be made for SURE that he’s a small town racially ignorant homophobe… both could be true we DON’T KNOW). All of it is expression of bias or perception of bias. There are 8 people playing Big Brother Canada currently.
MARTY MADE THEM POSE FOR A PIC RECREATING GUMMIBEAR PICKS!!!
Gino and Jace meet with Haleena and Kevin. Talk of dictator Marty ensues. Gino goes over his four point plan it includes:
If your campaign to forge bonds of fidelity is a threat and a backstab and lies… where are you going with this? Jury.
Kevin tells Marty that Gino/Jace spread to the house that Marty was the secret veto. Marty think dat fuqing Beddy made him vote out Jhinneau, but he doesn’t trust Jace either.
Hal and Betty chat: clearing the air. Betty notes that Jace has been bussing Hal. That Hal has been hot seated a lot. Betty walked in on a Hal / Jace conversation and it looked like Jace was trying to intimidate Hal. They talk about the veto last week. Summer joins, Hal says she’s taking a huge risk right now, if Betty and Summer turn on her after she’s revealed so much, her game is over, no hard feelings. Betty and Summer have turned against Jace now. Talk becomes won’t it be awesome if the last five in the house are ALL the people that the house labelled FLOATERS? ED. Hermon in jury just had a psychic induced seizure… it’s his nightmare scenario.
Breaking to Make dinner so that I can make it back or the episodic edit wondering how they are going to make it realistic…. when it was feedcuts and gummibears.
Dat fuqing beddy bahahahahaha I love your break downs !
WEDNESDAY VETO EPISODE
SPOILER: Gummibears. NO really. GUMMIBEARS!!!!!
Post nomination ceremony (I was taking out the garbage, missed the recap)
Marty d/r Gotta get Betty.
Josh d/r so you aren’t mad at the showmance that wanted you backdoored
Betty d/r shwomance isn’t t duo? not a cringe speech.
Advance clip:
Bety doing news reporter voice about her third Marty nomination.
Kevin d/r only Marty is really invested in that 5.
Marty d/r if veto is used then Kevin and Jace are renom.
Marty will have to show his cards.
Betty and Josh get the eminem music.
No veto picks shown
VETO
100 more minutes of hell. Jace as a demon succubus in fishnets (No, i’m not being sarcastic…. just throw in your own remark…)
!00 minutes closest wins. distractions coming.
Dear houseguests: coffins don’t usually have drains I don’t think….
Gino thinks he’s a renom option??? foreshadow crap.
water through the hose… what did they think the hose was for?
Kevin wants to win veto and make Martian’s head pop.
50 minutes.
family messages. Josh cries. AGAIN.
Betty cries. AGAIN.
Summer locks in her time….stays in coffin.
Red dye in water.
fake organ props. They had to note that???? Should have said it was the first six evicted since they acted like the person was dying.
water drains.
SUPERWORM TIME!!!!! They don’t look that imposing. it’s the legs and pinching that creeps people out. Sorry, I’ve eaten one on a dare, they aren’t scary.
Summer jumps out.
Josh thinks they’re eating him.
Regular night out for Gino. Betty has worms in her pants.
Josh locks in.
Betty locks in and leaves her coffin
Gino locks in. Kevin locks in. Everyone thinks they won. (ed. didn’t show sound clips from evicted houseguests that the houseguests talked about).
VETO RESULTS
59 minutes: Summer.
125 minutes: Kevin
100 minutes 42 seconds: Betty wins veto.
Betty yells I’m not going anywhere MARTY.
Gino 9 minutes off, Josh 4 minutes off.
Betty celebrates.
GINO / MARTY DISCUSS RENOM
Gino wants Jace safe.
Marty says gut is saying Kevin and Josh may be together.
Marty says he has to make the right decision this week.. (ED.and he chose Gummibears?)
KEVIN SECRET TASK
Find the secret room.
MARSHA meets KEVIN. Kevin/Marsha flirt fluff.
100 minutes to convince the house he’s self evicting.
Kevin grabs Josh. All my fault I’m leaving.
Jace: Jillian… i got to go.
Betty: i’m self evicting.
Summer: you never been married…. i gotta go.
Jace shows Haleena the bag.
Betty/Josh/Hal: self evicting WTF???
Kevin doesn’t talk to Hal.
Gino: no man you can’t leave. GINO D/R IS KEVIN OKAY? ARE YOU MONITORING HIM, I’M GOING TO MONITOR HIM.
Marty: I’m leaving. Marty won’t let him go. Blocks the door. Kevin escapes.
JOSH CRYING.
Doors open…
JUST KIDDING
Marsha task reveal. They cut Marty saying UNITARD.
EXPEDIA SLEEPOVER PARTY.
RENOM TALK
Jace / Marty.
Jace is pushing to save herself and Gino. Gino is SAFE. Jace pushes Kevin.
Marty says best decision for my game (Ed… and he STILL chose Gummibears???)
Hal / Marty.
Hal is trying to keep Kevin safe. basics: so why is Jace safe just cus Gino is safe? They shit talk you. Kevin NEVER does….
Kevin / Marty
Hal informed. Kevin promises his wedding ring. Kevin isn’t married. He swears on marriage. Are you playing best for you or best for Gino?
Marty trusts his gut… and wants to make the renom fair… (Gummibears…. head desk).
RENOM RUSSIAN ROULETTE IN CANDYLAND
The Five meet. Coach gets the fighting under control with those rotten kids.
We have to stick together.
We have to stay strong together. We vote to evict Josh. 100% in. Nobody is turning on the FIVE. EVERYONE AGREES.
Marty gets out the big gold cup of Gummibears.
Jace d/r: Gummibears???? U kidding???
Gino do i add a Gummi for you? Gino says YES.
GINO GETS THE RED GUMMIBEAR.
FIVE SYMBOL
Jace threatens to get evicted for punching Haleena and Kevin in the face if there is a flip.
Kevin D/R: I’m here because I’m a liar!!!! I’ve flipped already, sorry bout yer luck.
CLIFFHANGER ENDING
Not that this matters in scheme of game but I thought it was actually really nice of Gino to ask the d/r if Kevin was OK and that he was going to keep an eye on him too. ( still think he’s gotta go this week though lol ) ghosts are still my fave. Summer, beat it, Marty, beat it….I seen a clip of moose saying that summer is running the house and she deserves to win….ummmmm wt-flying-f.
Moose’s interpretation of game… um. Nobody trusted him enough to tell him anything that was actually going on, so his perspective is based on who he liked and who is asking.
The thing is, he’s talked out of both sides of his mouth depending on which interview you read. He’s trying to court the reporters with what he thinks they want to hear.
In one interview he’s pro summer, in the next he’s anti summer. His handler is likelty pulling their hair out trying to get him to be a little more consistent and down with the edit version.
Usually, I’d be trying to hunt for waffles about the vote.
Right now it’s more about positioning moving forward.
Summer has listened to Jace talk about how horrible it would be for Gino to leave, and How Jace is unwilling to work with Hal or Kevin moving forward.
Kevin, Josh Haleena and Summer have discussed moving forward, and if Jace is so upset, she can join Gino. I think Kevin wants to publicly pull Josh aside to tell him that Josh doesn’t have his vote just to rub it in with the showmance. Kevin wants the blindside (i think Hal still wants to heads up and really, Hal’s read on Jace is better than Kevin’s… he wants her to crumble and she’ll fly out like woman scorned).
Hal is using flour on a plate to write as her study tool (again, from what i remember it’s part of her learning challenge, bb hasn’t called her out for writing yet, most likely because of the impermanence of her method because they’ve called out eyeliner and lipstick and ketchup in the past).
There is talk of Marty stay or go among the ghosts. play it by ear is the basic conclusion.
Betty finding out Jace had the secret veto has become a big reason why Betty is now against the showmance. Josh and Betty are saying they trust Kevin and Haleena now for fighting to save them more than once.
I’m taking a little break, I’ll check in before they go to bed and report if anything major happens, but right now, i’m turning off all devices for a little while.
From what I’ve been hearing the order of danger in the triple is this: most to least (= means equal odd with) HOH and Veto tell the tale though (who controls the vote being the big factor).
Jace, Marty, Haleena, Kevin=Josh, Summer=Betty.
Okay.
Not much happened.
Jace and Gino were in bed campaigning with tears and laughs. they don’t get why the threat/backstab/lie campaign wasn’t jumped on by Hal and Kev.
Kevin got permission to go after Gino sooner than later (he didn’t mean this eviction but Kevin now has a bit of a Marty cushion because he gave that permission). Marty said he isn’t stupid, he goes where Hal and Kevin go and wants to work with them.
Kevin explained to Josh and Betty that he was trying to get as much information as he could from Marty (explaining the 2 hour study session). He’s explaining why Jace outed she was secret veto (to prove to paranoid silly Marty that of course there wasn’t a backdoor plan….. oops).
Kevin revealed that within THAT five, Haleena would likely be everyone’s choice as losing finalist, and here he is trying to pull her away from a guaranteed second place to uncertainty with the others. He says this to Josh and Betty.
Josh is playing off to Betty that he is getting paranoid about Kevin and Haleena, but thinks they are being genuine. Betty says keep them at arm’s reach, but she thinks so too.
They discuss how Marty is tracking Kevin and Haleeena’s movements, trying to hound them into working with him, and how Jace sits Haleena down and questions who Haleena has spoken to, and what was said (Betty walked in on it). They decide Haleena is a nice person being rode roughshod by larger personalities.
Marty tells Jace there is no flip. He spent 2 hours with Kevin, and Haleena would have told him by now so they haven’t decided to flip on the 5. The gummibears did the trick to create team solidarity? So Marty is basically expressing. He stilll thinks they should ALL use the gummi strategy to decide pawns for the rest of the game… Oh dear. I’m not trying to knock him for having PTSD and anxiety / depression. I understand PTSD intimately (to the point where i’ve actually turned off feeds and avoided them for a week because something said triggered me in past seasons). So please, when I’m making fun of his fukakta idiocy, and production being late with his meds, don’t think I’m knocking his diagnosed issues, I’m knocking how he is playing the game (though the late meds thing…. production you KNOW better).
THAT WHOLE 3 conversations they had today have gamed Jace and Gino out… they aren’t going to go to everyone and make them say who they are voting to evict in a public forum tonight. Sideye. Stare straight at screen. Sideye other direction.
Why do these schmucks this season want to have the eviction before the eviction?????
EVERYONE HAS GONE TO BED.
ED. Opinion:
All of the questioning, ordering of who people can and can’t talk to and campaigning to Summer is built in DOUBT that CAN be used as the reason for the vote flip. ie: you didn’t trust us which means you would turn on us so we had to turn on you first.
There are a couple houseguests getting amazing edits for an end game run. If I were watching the whole season back from people entering the house to now… I’d see the storyline i’m being presented with and point at this week and say ‘of course, it all makes sense now.’ Anyone else getting that vibe? We’ll see.
oh. I meant to attach this to the post for tonight’s episode.
Like last week, the feeds went down before wake up call today for the Triple Eviction.
Here’s where we are at in terms of nominations as of last night:
Betty and Summer would nom Jace, Marty, Haleena (with a Kevin renom).
Josh would nom Jace, Marty, and he says Summer with a Betty renom (don’t buy it for a second, more likely with a Haleena renom).
Haleena and Kevin would nom Jace, Marty, Josh (with a Summer renom).
Jace would nom Kevin, Marty, Haleena (with ? renom likely Summer?).
Marty only has veto to contend with.
Veto holder tells the tale of the night in a lot of ways because of pair matching and no situation where confirmed pairs are put on the block together except in a Jace HOH.
Let’s remember if they do a season 5 style veto from that triple, Kevin and Josh discussed hacks for that comp.
Let’s remember Jace has been clutch in veto where her ass was on the line (remember when she faced Josh, Betty and Haleena in the second week balance veto?)
Storyline stands revealed at the end of this Triple. Week 8 with three votes deciding?
I don’t like that. The drama of the original triple was 5 voters deciding. This is more Kangaroo court. But then again, They’re doing the triple later now for greater control of the outcome.
I’m not expecting the HOH to play in the triple veto. I’m just not sure if it will run 5 or 6 players. I’m expecting 5, so there is a chance the pair that controls the HOH doesn’t even get to play in veto.
Veto tells the tail, because it determines which house faction controls the votes.
Two contradictory spoilers. I’m not going to be able to be helpful. Sorry.
Will be back to review the episode and hopefully will have an aftermath chart ready when i post the review.
Each of my 2 spoilers was 1/2 right. One of them had HOH right, they each had one of the evictees right.
The spoils I got that was unverified: Josh HOH, Jace, Summer evicted.
The other spoiler i read was Jace Marty evicted.
In the storyline the way I read it, I expected a Betty HOH, with Marty, Jace, Haleena noms, Kevin winning veto, removing Hal, forcing Betty to put up Summer with Summer Jace out.
Sorry. That’s what I saw coming in the chart I made 2 days ago. I redid it on the fly while the episode was airing.
TRIPLE EVICTION EPISODE
Preamble: Expect a dark ominous voiceover laden set up leading into recap is my thought. Also expect the actual triple to not start until about 25 after the hour IF they follow previous triples. It’s going to feel like a whirlwind. They’ll likely ALSO try to throw in a jury moment that could be saved for MONDAY.
AND HERE WE GO
dark ominous throwback with lots of voiceover clips. The Dreaded Triple Eviction.
POV CEREMONY
Jace d/r third backstab.
Kevin d/r can’t believe it… this is the chance he’s been waiting for.
Betty uses Veto on herself (strong woman not going anywhere).
Marty renoms Gino.
Betty… omg. Jace darting eyes. Kevin trying not to cheshire laugh.
Post Ceremony
Josh d/r this is illogical… maybe i’m safe.
Gino d/r gummibears? I don’t feel safe. I need to talk.
Jace d/r Gino pissed.
Marty d/r risk. Kevin or Haleena could turn and Jace will be pissed.
GHOSTS have the power says Haleena.
Josh d/r mindblowing response.
The Dummies are well hidden says Josh.
Due to THE GUMMIBEAR INCIDENT Gino is going to fight. (WHEN?) d/r Jace is my rock. Jace thinks Kevin should be up. Kevin is the big question mark.
Marty / Kevin talk in HOH.Getting out Gino on Marty’s hoh would be a betrayal and a knife in the back.
Here’s the don’t talk to those 3 people until eviction talk. Kevin is going to agree for now, but do what he wants d/r.
CAMPAIGNING
Kevin d/r he might have a chance to win. Song and dance at the Hot Tub.
Jace and Hal talk. the Domino effect conversation. Jace d/r she’s mad. If Kevin flipped, Hal would have to flip too.
Gino campaign: Marty and Jace are coming after you, everyone is after you if you flip. Everyone is pissed at Marty. You guys are triple targets if I leave. The four of us should stay tight. (ED. the threat, blindside lie campaign. They don’t show the showmance swearing to Summer and Betty that they’ll target Marty Kevin and Haleena).
Coming up… Jury house. I don’t care. Save it for the Monday fluff filler segment, It’s 23 after the hour and NOBODY is evicted yet. COMPLETE WASTE OF TRIPLE EVICTION TIME THAT COULD BE ON THE MONDAY SHOW. shortform: they think Marty is running the game. Morons.
VOTE 1
Josh: not begging, i’m a choc chip cookie, bite me?
Gino: Gummibears? i kicked my feet up… i’m on he block. 183 on the red door btw.
Evict Josh
Jace
Evict Gino
Summer, Hal, Kevin, Betty.
4-1 Gino has been evicted. Don’t trust anybody, Jace. Thinks Marty, Hal and Kev are the 3 headed dragon. nope.
32 minutes after the hour. Triple announcement.
HOH.
Challenge knowledge. A/B.
JOSH WINS HOH.
NOMS: Marty, Jace, Summer (OH SHE”S GONNA SCREAM)
Summer screams at Josh in Expedia ruining Betty and Josh’s celebration.
VETO Complete the clock. Betty and Josh are sitting out.
Roll balls using body weight to shift.
JACE WINS VETO.
RENOM: BETTY.
EVERYONE SAVES BETTY.
SUMMER AND MARTY EVICTED.
a bit of math.
183 hours is left on the red door during the eviction of Gino.
That means the red door hits zero in 7 days and 15 hours from filming time.
That basically means some time between lights out and wake up call after the next eviction? The final four will be awakened with an alarm of some kind when it hits zero is my guess.
That means a lengthy feed block next friday, with feeds ending mid day on saturday most likely, Sunday at the latest with Arissa calling them to the living room for a surprise eviction.
final 5 vetoes are a bit of a mixed bag historically: how bad do you want it booth veto (s. 1), physical treasure hunt (s 4 knockout rounds, 5), speed comp (s 3, 9), juror comp history trivia booth veto (s 6), physical endurance balance comp (s 7).crap shoot individual timed veto(s 2) Depending on the storyline they’re going to suit it to the skills of the comp winner.
I’m shook. Josh ACTUALLY stuck with the dummies and put BETTY on the block?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
NO. WAY.
I figured he’d put up Summer. I thought she’d stay calm until after Veto.
I figured Haleena would be renom FOR SURE.
Josh was ACTUALLY MORE LOYAL TO DUMMIES THAN BETTY????? Wow.
I need to process that.
Exit Arisaview with Summer and Marty.
Summer wants Betty to win. She’s mad at Josh.
She thinks Kev and Hal will be sitting at the end.
Josh wants Kevin to win, thinks Josh will win.
Summer is saying no to that.
BETTY WON HOH.
Boooo…. I don’t like her.
Well this will be an interesting week…….guess I will fast forward these episodes lol. Cheers for whichever dummie isn’t on the block to pull one down and send jace out the door,
Thursday pm feeds
Okay. i’ve decompressed after the Triple and Betty’s HOH win.
Ika was host of the Shred that Letter HOH comp.
Betty won.
Jillian told Kevin to shred the letter because he used tongue on Marsha or something to that effect…. fuqifiknow.
Kevin asks Betty who he is allowed to talk to. She says anyone you want, even Josh.
Josh gets in his feels and leaves the room.
Kevin talks to Josh. Kevin reassures Josh that Betty will be fine. Josh says he knows he’s going on the block. Kevin says as long as Jace doesn’t win veto they are golden.
Josh is upset that he had to lie. I’m of 2 minds. He’s been reaping the benefits of the other Dummies losing their position and getting shit on for being liars for weeks. So… he finally got his hands dirty and now it’s a catastrophe?
Hal is talking to Betty. Betty is impressed with Hal’s block virgin card. She and Hal reveal their Summer Marty stories (the Tynesha stuff, the final 2’s, etc). Betty promises not to reveal to Jace that she knows Jace was secret veto holder.
Josh is planning to tell Betty he felt indebted to Hal/Kev for saving them multiple times while Summer wasn’t actually doing anything for them, just looking out for herself.
Betty tells Hal she feels like Josh felt indebted to Hal/Kev for saving them, and probably didn’t think Betty would have voted out Summer, but says she’d have had questions, but would have done it. (I don’t know if Betty actually WOULD have voted out Summer in that situation… I’m not sure). Betty reveals she’s never had a final 2 deal in the game (she’s one of Josh’s early game 7 final 2 deals isn’t she?) Reveals Summer had deals with EVERYONE, so how could she actually be loyal to anyone? When Betty finds out about the last 24 hours, she’s shocked but not surprised that Summer chose yesterday to make so many reveals.
Jace joins…. Hal and Betty leave. OUCH.
Hal tells Josh about Smarty (Sumar she calls it). She says she is grateful, but she was prepared to go on the block as renom. Josh reveals he couldn’t risk Kev or Hal leaving and wasn’t sure how the vote would fall, but knew the Dummies would save Betty.
Josh sits on the counter near Jace on one of the side couches.
Ed. It’s sort of remiscent of early weeks when Jess would be on the same couch, and the rest of the house would avoid that area like the plague (including Jace). I’m not fond of shunning. If it continues I’m going to be thinking grow up and be humans. However, had Jace won HOH, she’d be doing the SAME THING to somebody, so for the first couple of hours, I’m going to try to avoid the issue as something that might trigger me.
Here is Jace’s problem: she never hung out with more than one girl at a time, and spent 90% of her time with Gino since week 4. Integrating into the house NOW is going to be HARD.
Here is Betty’s problem: FINAL 5 HOH is a bit of a cursed position. You have to depend on relationships and bonds or a veto win in final 4 since you can’t play in the fin4 HOH.
Here is Hal’s problem: can she avoid being renom this week, and can she avoid being the 5th place alternate to the title?
FEEDS RETURN
Jace is telling Josh there was no backdoor Josh plan when Gino was HOH (Gino told Kevin Josh would be renom, asked Haleena if she wanted to make the big move with the veto). She asks Josh why he put her on the block. He said she might have put up Josh or Betty if she won, so he had to do it. Jace is mad at Hal and Josh. Josh says with five people left in the house there’s nowhere to hide now, and he’d love to hear what EVERYONE has to say about everything. (If Josh calls a house meeting…. no, he won’t. I’m saying IF). So Josh is covering his ass because he KNEW that Jace was going after Kevin and Haleena not him and Betty. He’s trying to work his way back into the middle… in week 9. Josh reveals that She and Josh will likely be noms. Jace is pissed it isn’t Kevin and Haleena. Jace wants a final 3 with Betty and Josh, and wants Betty to target Kevin and Hal. Josh feels he put a damper on Betty’s parade for her HOH win because of the triple and how it shook out. She wanted to be the deciding factor in who stayed and who left, not a nominee and third vote instead of deciding vote in the triple.
BOTH JACE AND BETTY SEEM TO SEE THE LOGIC IN JOSH”S HOH NOMS…. really??
Haleena Kevin bathroom chat. She fears she’s the nominee on the block with Jace because of Betty’s comments about the Block virginity. Hal and Kevin swear not to blow up the Dummies relationship if either is evicted. Hal councils Kevin to get closer to Betty but don’t make it obvious to Josh, because Josh and Betty WILL reconcile. She’s trying to keep Kevin off the block. They are happy Summer is gone, but they aren’t going to tell Betty or Josh that.
Battery Change… so bedtime for the houseguests within the next hour.
Josh is alone in expedia. Likely trying to figure out how to stay loyal to the Dummies, but also stay in the middle and liked by everyone.
He and Betty have not talked yet.
Haleena Jace bathroom talk. Hal gives Jace a hug, and says that’s real not about game, she knows it’s hard, but she knows Jace is strong. They plan to talk tomorrow to hash out whatever made Hal snap at Jace during the triple (again… fuqifiknow and I doubt it will be in the behind the scenes recap Monday) guessing it’s about the backdoor Josh plan that Hal told Jace she heard about.
Kevin goes to Betty for battery change: she’s already in bed.
Thursday pm 2
I thought they were done.
They weren’t done.
Kevin and Josh chat in expedia beach.
Basically they have to keep the lines open, and now Kevin thinks Josh is the guy everyone will want to take to the end.
Josh explained telling Betty she was renom word for word. Betty immediately ran to Kev/Hal asking if she had their vote and they immediately said yes. NO mention if she went to Jace as well.
THERE WERE THREE FIGHTS ALMOST SIMULTANEOUSLY?
They discuss Summer and Josh fight, Betty and Summer fight (including an effing B being thrown loud enough for the whole house to hear), and Jace and Hal fight that happened during the triple.
So EVERYBODY got a litle bit of action… no wonder it looks like Kevin has popcorn stuck in his teeth.
Haleena alone in red room talks to Canada about being proud of her game, that she’s stayed under the radar, and she’s been playing hard at staying invisible, and using information, lying and backstabbing when necessary.
Jace alone in blue room talking about how pissed she is that she had to vote to save Betty. Everyone else gets to keep their pair why doesn’t she get to keep hers (in final 5). She wanted them to keep Summer not Betty it’s not fayyyyyyer. Okay i dramatized, but this is the woman that said a couple weeks ago how easy this game is (while she had a showmance as HOH).
Kevin joins, and Jace wants the lights turned out, she’s been crying all night in Gino’s bed. The game is hard without a silent meat shield. Okay, whine tonight, keep whining tomorrow and i’m going to have to snippy about it.
Betty alone in HOH
Hal joins Betty. they chat about Betty still being a bit miffed with Jace mums the word. Betty reveals she offered to be a sacrificial lamb for Josh to stay in the game during their seond noms together, and being nominated is the thanks she gets? Okay, kvetch tonight, but if this becomes a perma rant, I’m going to have to get snippy about it.
Hal admits to Betty that she isn’t sure now WHO the backdoor was during Gino’s HOH anymore, she just got the gut feeling there was a backdoor, and has come to believe the showmance were hedging their bets. (She’s cutting Jace’s there was no plan to get Josh Hal’s a liar point off before it’s made). Betty appreciates the candor and Hal actually giving her the lowdown and trusting her with game information. She says she and Josh have never talked game like this, and she hugs Haleena telling her that they will talk more tomorrow. (keep in mind, Hal thinks she will probably be nominated, she’s jumping ahead of the line to bond with Betty now that Summer is gone).
Hal downloads to Josh so that he knows that Haleena told Betty Josh didn’t tell her why she wasn’t nominated and Betty was, just that Josh wants to talk to Betty about it first (attempting to show Josh is more concerned with Betty’s feelings? Is she trying to help repair them still instead of feeding the wedge???)
NOW THEY WENT TO SLEEP.
Wow Josh and Betty are becoming quite the power duo winning back to back HOHs all of a sudden. But then again I don’t know if they are a duo anymore with Josh putting Betty on the block in the triple… I was shooketh when he did that! O_O
Like I know she was safe but then again so were Kevin/Haleena so I understand why she would be pissed.
Still she would be dumb AF to nominate him or even put him on the block in the event Veto is played (and she wasn’t forced).
She has to put up Kevin/Haleena imo. That way that duo is broken up or Jacey-Lynne goes if one of them pulls themselves off the block.
The only way Josh would get on the block is if he was the only option (JL wins and uses the Veto on say Haleena). In that unlikely scenario then Josh would almost surely get 5th place.
I’m thinking Haleena or Jacey-Lynne seem like the most likely to get evicted in 5th place though. We shall see!
Fall out of post triple eviction…
Betty wins HOH – Josh in the dog house:
I’ve felt all season that Josh was committed to the Dummies and he proved it on Thursday by (sorry but stupidly) putting up his perceived F2 partner Betty. Actually it’s not so much that he acquiesced to putting her up but how he handled it.
He could’ve told her – I want to use this to reward Kevin/Haleena for voting to keep us repeatedly & they’ve promised they will again. I believe them.
OR…
This might throw off Jace so if she wins F5 HOH it would keep us from both going OTB if she thinks we aren’t as close.
OR…
I don’t want to put you in a position to lose Summer’s jury vote & I’ve confirmed Kevin/Haleena will vote to keep you PLUS this will put us in good stead with them as that’s two of the four people competing for HOH.
Instead… he did ZERO damage control in the process and could very well end up OTB beside Jace now instead of either of the Ghosts.
Haleena is stepping up with her social game as the finale looms:
And hey KUDOS to Haleena who literally got Betty to turn her perceived hatred toward her into being perhaps Betty’s new greatest ally in the house. Tell me Betty won’t consider taking Hal over Josh as her F2 now.
Hal prepped this perfectly by dropping the “special POV” bomb on Wednesday, and told Betty how Jace/Gino were locked in with Marty and NEVER going to back door him. She shared Gino/Jace were pitching/promising to put up Marty Betty/Josh in the triple (BEFORE it happened).
(Summer’s over confidence likely expedited her exit):
Also benefitting Haleena was Summer’s overconfidence b/c she made a F2 deal with Jace & tried to make one with Hal. Since Betty had already been OTB having to beg Summer for her vote it wasn’t a reach to believe she wasn’t trustworthy. Plus Summer admitted to Betty she promised Jace she’d be safe ahead of Haleena with her/Betty/Josh.
Haleena stock is soaring based on her game management in last 48 hours:
This latter information is key – bc again Jace did NOTHING to manage her relationship with Betty this past week looking at her as being a nonentity since her vote was going to Josh. All season Jace took offense at how she was the one perceived as a +1 with Gino while that’s precisely how she’s treated Betty.
Jace hasn’t done herself any favors in the early hours since the triple isolating herself to grieve the loss of Gino — letting Hal dive right in to take advantage. And once again Hal is playing this perfectly. Instead of spending her time with Betty burying Jace (or agreeing with Betty about what a terrible thing Josh did) she’s sticking up for Josh telling her he should’ve explained it better but for sure he was protecting you by putting up Summer and he really does care about you – we need to fix this b/c you two love each other.
That effort by Hal is going to make Betty trust her more than even Josh likely. While Betty has been quick to be anti-Hal much of that was tied to the Tynesha vote and she bases much of her game on ACTIONS. At the start of the week, Betty was being a mean girl toward Hal thinking she was all alone — by the end of the week she’s viewing Hal as someone who played with integrity, was honest, and repeatedly saved her/Josh. That’s one hell of a turnaround in a matter of days!
Jace poor game management will likely be her undoing:
By the time Jace finally speaks to Betty it’s going to be a very hard sell for her to switch Betty’s thinking off putting her OTB.
Betty can rewind the conversations with the showmance to see how Jace was constantly pushing to get out Hal/Kev/Marty but once Marty won HOH they never bothered to check in with her again. It looks SUS and won’t work in her favor.
Jace NEVER admits her lies so it’s likely she’ll deny having the special POV. If she gets pissy I could see a point this week where she gets confronted by the other four on how JINO had F4 deals with both. If Jace tries to say she NEVER had a deal with the Ghosts they can call her out by saying if that’s true then why do you feel betrayed we didn’t vote for Gino?
Understandably, Jace is upset that Gino is gone but she really should have tried to talk to Betty immediately and sell to her how the Dummies are clearly working together. Instead, b/c Hal has brought her up to speed on so much & Kev/Josh retreated to hang out together it will just look like a desperate attempt by Jace.
All season it seemed like Hal was hurting herself by not being viewed as being close to anyone but Marty – now it’s actually paying dividends b/c it looks like Kev & her came together over being used by the showmance & Marty.
Haleena is benefiting by her actions matching her words. Told Josh/Betty that she was trying to get him to put up the showmance instead of playing Gino’s game (while as per above the showmance stopped talking to Betty/Josh), & dumped all that intel on Betty BEFORE the triple HOH so she looks like the honest person with integrity. It also didn’t hurt that Betty walked in on Jace being mean to Haleena trying to brow beat her into voting to keep Gino.
That also paints Jace in a bad stead b/c Betty is seeing Jace expect Hal/Kevin to keep Gino all while telling J/B that they’ll take them out in the triple. It makes Jace look heartless, like a bully & someone who just uses them all like pawns for her own gain.
Since Arisa didn’t say who voted to keep Betty she might believe it was just Kev/Hal. Although Josh told Kevin that Jace didn’t want to keep Betty & once she learns Jace fought to keep Summer instead of her that should cement her nomination.
Ghosts’ Actions: that was the FOURTH time Haleena & Kevin voted to keep Betty safe – Hal told her prior to the triple what was going on with the showmance, the special POV & since the triple Hal has downloaded how Jace/Summer made a F2 yesterday, how Summer was STILL willing to evict Betty the morning of the vote (versus Hermon) and perhaps most importantly that Summer ADMITTED that Tynesha pitched Hal going OTB to Jess (and that she was in the room when it happened (true).
The early winner of the post triple eviction is HALEENA.
Moving forward with Betty’s HOH the questions to be answered are:
Josh’s loyalty to Dummies likely keeps him safe this week as long as Jace is OTB:
Prior to the triple the Ghosts had entertained taking out Josh on a few occasions. But now that Gino (who is buddies with Hermon/Moose) is headed to the jury along with Marty it’s unlikely they would vote out Josh over Jace as the above four would all likely vote for her over the Ghosts.
Factor in – it was Kevin who created Crash Test Dummies & the fact Josh put his own perceived F2 & F3 allies OTB with the latter leaving in the triple will hurt him. Moreover, once Kevin (or Hal) outlines the Dummies (and Ghosts) to the jury Josh will be viewed as someone they puppeted in the game to get intel for them & do their dirty work.
Also – with Betty not able to play in F4 HOH it would be better to send out Jace (who has her dates on lock) b/c that would guarantee one of the Dummies wins HOH & it would be that trio vs. Betty going for the POV. AND if they’re successful I’m envisioning a post-POV meeting similar to what happened to Britney with the Brigade where they lay out the CTD alliance & how they moved this season to protect themselves & Betty (unknowingly). All so she can take that intel with her to the jury roundtable. And you just know Josh will be admitting it was all Kevin’s idea.
If that happens & Josh ends up in a F2 seat with Kev based on some of the angry feelings already in place toward Josh (Summer/Moose) it should vault Kev ahead. But how would it impact Haleena? Would Betty/Summer/Jace consider voting for her instead of Josh (or Kev)?
Goodbye messages – time for CTD/Ghosts reveal:
So far we’ve seen Kevin’s GBM to both Hermon & Gino & he didn’t out the CTD or Ghosts in either of them. What we don’t know is whether Josh or Haleena did which could play a major factor, especially for Haleena.
If the jury learns Kevin/Hal created the Ghosts on Day 2 – then went to Josh and cemented the Dummies early (in truth it was week 5 & the Tynesha eviction) the jury will have to give props for their game strategy & being able to keep their alliance COMPLETELY hidden.
The Dummies (and more so the Ghosts) have inexplicably kept their alliances hidden all season. The funny part for me is this occurred mostly because of the arrogance & overconfidence of the other hamsters.
Gino/Jace thought they were insulted everywhere, Marty (Hermon/Moose) thought they were all running the house, and even Summer & Josh took credit for certain things occurring that they had NOTHING to do with.
That to me was the mastery of Haleena & Kevin who STILL are functioning at F5 with no one linking them together. Sure they were tied to Marty but as individuals NOT as a duo. And even in these last few days, Kevin is sticking to Josh while Haleena moved to Betty so they continue to be viewed as individuals. Even Josh believes he’s Kevin’s #1 (he’s NOT – Haleena is & that’s further cemented by Josh winning the triple HOH).
Props to both of them (and even Josh) b/c they were the only hamsters to keep their alliance hidden this entire time which is impressive, particularly in this season where every alliance got blown up.
I did not like Summer’s attitude. She seems to be in an “entitled” mode. Very poor sportsmanship.
Yeah she did nothing and was VERY annoying.
I hope this is the last time she is on TV lol.
This isn’t a defense of Summer’s game (i’ve been calling out her entitlement for a while), but I’m going to just point out a blindside would have me pretty peeved if you spoke to me immediately after it happened.
It would take me about a good half hour to digest and accept and get my act together.
If she’s still as petty in her post interviews today… then yeah, entitled and poor sportsmanship would fit, imo.
April 22nd – the hamsters are up – Betty initial thoughts & Jacey plotting…
Business Betty:
Betty is talking to herself as she’s wont to do – some of the top lines from her mumblings is she’s STILL pissed at Josh feeling he embarrassed her on national TV b/c of how happy she was he won HOH & earlier in the season when she was willing to throw her game away to save him.
She’s pretty much ignoring him (won’t talk to him) & the gist is they’ll get past it – but it sure sounds like it’ll be Josh & Jace going OTB at least that’s the initial indication. She said “if she stays up & goes (Jace) fine & if it’s him oh well.” She also referenced karma (Josh going OTB via her hand – right after he did it to her).
Note: this must’ve been confirmed to Haleena who tells Kev it’ll be Jace/Josh OTB – couldn’t hear who the replacement would be. They say if either wins POV they keep noms the same & if one of them goes up that’s who they save.
Betty is taking her new BFF Kevin to Wendy’s (and also in her self chat called Kevleena HONEST. So like I said earlier the way Hal managed her the past 48 hours was perfect. Kevin & Betty have the most bizarre relationship b/c she started out hating him but Kev wore her down by constantly saving her, keeping her in the loop with little tidbits here & there & always saying he loved her.
With Josh putting her OTB & learning how SUS Summer was in regards to keeping him (vs. Hermon) & making F2 deals with Jace last minute & not telling her it’s worked to Kevleena’s advantage with Kev sort of replacing Josh as her BFF & Hal coming across as playing the game the way Betty wanted to – – with integrity/honesty — (little does she know).
Jace is flying blind:
Jacey is plotting her pitch which has glaring holes/problems partially through no fault of her own. She plans on calling Kevleena snakes, liars, & manipulators & will go in HARD on Haleena saying she “made up unnecessary lies & enjoyed it – laughed about it”. (THIS is how the house views Jace – so she’s just going to feed into that further by taking this stance).
Moreover, there is a myriad of issues with this pitch b/c Haleena laid out PRECISE TANGIBLE evidence & it was confirmed by Kev to Josh (plus Kev to Summer which was passed along during the week) it only makes Jace look like she is the liar & manipulator.
Adding to her downward position is last week she spent the entire time trying to get Kev/Hal’s votes & ZERO time nurturing her relationship with Betty. AND pushed Josh/Kevleena to keep Summer instead of Betty last night. So it will look like Jace had every intention of booting Josh & Betty but now that she’s in danger wants to target Kev/Hal.
Betty promised Hal she won’t reveal to Jace what she knows to be true – she told Hal she wants TRUTHS from Jace, but won’t be probing for them. She’s expecting Jace to step up & tell her truths. It’s likely Betty is looking for Jace to admit she won the secret POV or that her/Gino had copious F4 deals (Betty knows of at least 4 maybe more).
The problem is Jace doesn’t know what Betty already knows & more importantly this isn’t how Jace plays (she’s NEVER honest & NEVER admits to her lies). Consider the Gino pitch to stay where both Hal (prob pre-planned by the Ghosts) admits to throwing Kev UTB to Marty & so does G – but when Kev says “I know you pitched me & I’m fine with it” Jace REFUSED to own it. That was the safest situation for her to admit to what she did w/o repercussions yet she continued to lie so there’s NO WAY she does it now feeling threatened to go OTB.
It’s also unlikely she admits to making a F2 with Summer or trying to keep her in the triple & the fact she won’t (or to having the Special POV) it’s doubtful anything else she says will be accepted.
Notably, Betty walked in on a convo with Jace & Hal on Weds & told Hal it looked like she was bullying you/threatening you so that’s also working against her. With Jace trying to paint Hal as the lying, manipulating b*atch will backfire & she’ll come across as the bully crying wolf.
Jace contemplated calling all 3 (Ghosts/Josh) or just the guys (girl power) her targets but then backtracked b/c she’s worried Josh/Betty will makeup & that will backfire on her. Ironically, her best bet might actually be calling out the Dummies are a trio to get Betty thinking that could be true.
The girl power pitch isn’t a bad idea since Betty always said she wanted a female to win. Jace is going to tell Betty that if Gino stayed their plan was to work with Summer/Betty — the problem here of course is that Summer NEVER told her that & b/c Jace was working Kev/Hal so hard it also looks like a lie. WHY has she never brought this up before? B/c the showmance pushed taking out Sum/Bet to Kevleena she is always fighting the hedging bets on both sides & will have a hard time with this pitch. Sure, now that Kev/Hel voted out Gino/Marty she doesn’t want to work with them but where was this commitment before that? Plus – if she presents this to Haleena -she’ll stick a fork in it & say the entire season Jace has ONLY ever wanted to work with the guys – so this is really convenient she suddenly wants to work with us all while she’s bashing me.
The Ghosts/Dummies were two steps ahead of Jace – while she was working to keep G in the house only stopping to make a F2 with Summer. She acted like Betty wasn’t even in the house & ultimately that will likely be why Betty doesn’t buy what she’s selling.
Conversely, Hal/Kev kept Josh/Betty in the loop all last week on what was happening so the fact the showmance pushed so hard to get out Josh is only going to make everything she says SUS. For example, if the F4 deal with J/B was real then why would she feel so betrayed by Kevleena – what exactly did they owe the showmance if their F4 was the real one?
Since Kev has smartly jumped into being Betty’s new BFF & she’s taking him to Wendy’s for Jace to try to bury him isn’t going to fly & likely will have the opposite effect. In fact, we know Betty loves a good sarcastic vent session so she’ll likely spill Jace’s entire pitch to which Kevin will fill with holes. Watch for Kev to plant with Betty that Jace would win if she stays b/c Gino is buddies with Hermon/Moose (had F4 with them) so he’ll have them voting for her & Marty will do anything G tells him so if she gets to the F2 chair she already has four votes.
If Jace knew what Betty knew she might have a fighting chance but w/o her knowing Hal/Kev kept them updated on everything happening & the pitch from the showmance to target them it just will make anything Jace says seem like a lie.
Josh will have to eat crow:
Josh will have some work to do & already expects to go OTB. His best bet would be to tell Betty I’m fine if you put me OTB – I deserve that but I love you & maybe I panicked but I wanted to ensure that Summer didn’t stay & I was worried if I put up Hal or Kev that maybe you & Jace would keep Summer who I knew we couldn’t trust.
They’ll probably be some tears shed (from Josh) & a genuine apology. Fortunately, Hal already worked Betty last night to say she knows Josh put up Summer initially b/c he was protecting Betty – AND she confirmed Summer made F2 with Jace & tried to make one with Hal.
Moving forward:
Much of what happens this week will depend on Jace being up & staying up so the F4 would be the Dummies & Betty.
Although a lot can change in any week the reality is Jace has been so shady & lied so much that it will be hard to shift that position. Again– Jace did NOTHING to nurture the F4 deal with Josh/Betty while Kev stayed close to Betty the entire time & Hal broke out all the secrets on Wednesday. Shifting Betty away from believing Hal would require Betty to see something tangible that correlates & b/c Jace never offered any of that beforehand she’ll be hard-pressed to do it now. Instead, it’s likely Betty will believe she’s just making stuff up to stay off the block & to cover her own ass.
The bottom line is although Betty is happy to play the role of petty Betty she’s going to feel a certain way about Jace (via JINO’s own actions). She has also been someone who has made comments like “I’m sure Marty is a wonderful man, a doting husband, and lovely father outside this house” – it speaks of how Betty leans to kindness (remember she was one of the few who shed tears thinking Kevin was leaving) so when Jace comes in gunning with negativity firing from both cylinders it’s likely only going to serve to confirm Betty’s gut choice that Jace has to go.
Betty will want the final 2 weeks in the house to be fun & knows she’ll have that with Kev/Josh (who she’s spent ample time with all season) along with her budding friendship with Haleena. Jace & her have never been BFF’s or hung out so that also will play into the equation.
FRIDAY AM
Betty’s pathology: If Betty is mad and doesn’t get an immediate confrontation where Betty can come off as the right fighter, she holds on to her grudge. Think about her relationships with Kevin and Moose. Now contrast that with her relationship for most of the game with Haleena, and now Josh. If you are shy about confrontation, Betty is going to seethe.
She isn’t over the Josh sting. If anything, she’s more riled. She didn’t get to call him out, he’s avoiding the talk, so she’s avoiding the talk, so it’s a fester situation.
Kevin and Haleena are considered honest straight shooters by Betty.
Each of them are doing their damnedest to stay on Bety’s good side and feed her Jace info that for the most part is true especially if you use a semantic perspective shift filter.
Hal has been told now that noms will be Jace and Josh. I think she’s been told she’ll be renom if one is required, but in a tie vote, she’d keep Haleena if she were renom.
Kevin is now the Wendy’s date I think.
Kevin and Hal have downloaded to each other everything they are gathering from Jace, Josh and Betty.
The expedia room is locked, I’m starting to consider it the Josh room after the last week, he’s taken up residence… what ever will he do???
For Jace’s part: she’s planning to propose a f2 to Betty. She’s not sure if she should go the f3 with Betty and Josh, or go the women’s power route, saying they take Hal to the end.
Jace does say if she wins veto and Hal is on the block, she’s easier to beat, so she’d evict Josh. The organization of her pitch isn’t bad. Her delivery is usually an issue (she gets a little sanctimoniously pushy and it rubs the HOH’s the wrong way). Her big problem? She plans to call Kevin and Hal liars and snakes that get off on telling unneccessary lies. Given that Betty thinks the 2 have been shooting her the straight talk, and fighting for her survival since week 2’s nomination, that could lead balloon pretty bad. Let’s remember: Jace and Betty haven’t had a great rapport since week 2 when Betty counseled Jace to work on her relationships with more than just Gino, and Jace ghosted her to spend more time with Gino.
The house is now aware that Jace wanted to keep Summer, not Betty. Josh and Betty were both told that Jace went to Kev/Hal before the vote and said she’d rather keep Summer, but they over ruled her.
Did I say Betty is taking Kevin to Wendy’s? The initial thought was Hal, but it’s Kevin.
Exit interviews: so far all of the interviews are group, not individual. Keep that in mind. Each press outlet gets 15 minutes with the three of them. They usually get 15 with each evictee. Global itself may ge giving it’s people 15 each, but all other press is getting 15 minute rush
Summer is still betrayed by Josh, but not as heated. She’s team Betty and Kevin (who she is like, who she wanted to be like).
Gino is saying he had an alliance with Josh Betty Summer so he would have taken them to f4 (not saying that alliance became fake to him 4 days later when he and Jace were thinking f3 with Kevin… hmmm). Team Jace and Josh (showmance and introverted muscly guy).
Marty is undecided. Best overall game..gummibear.. you know he means comp wins right? right. gummibear. He’ll get the finalist to pick gummibears, won’t he?
Each of the 3 is subtly pushing that their winner choice is the person that played most like them to validate their own game strategy. Common juror practice before the jury hive minds.
Marty has learned Hal and Josh are in an alliance (don’t know… sometimes they do gbm after the special evictions for jurors) gummibear. I think Marty, who was f2 with each of Gino, Summer, Hal, Kevin, Jess, Hermon, Josh and likely a gummibear at SOME point in the game, takes offense to anyone else having a side f2…. gummibear. Marty looks calm.
Personal impression: Josh, get it over with. Get the wrath of Betty done. Can’t sink into the middle for that one. The first time in the game that Josh couldn’t sit back and reap the rewards without having to do anything, and his response is lackluster. Jace? would have had a better shot if she’d stayed consistent in her Betty relationship. Jace threw away every relationship she had when Gino entered a room, and now she’s got the least actual ties to anyone in the house. Remember when we were friends in week 2 isn’t a strong talking point in week 9 to a heart/feeling player like Betty.
How are they going to flashback to the arguments when you have Haleena telling Jace she’s going for her throat… and you have Summer at the top of her lungs screaming that Betty is a Fooqing Betch? evil grin… do it… show us. bwa hahaha.
If we accept that the d/r is the writer’s plotline device:
Kevin has high 70’s d/r input. Jace has low seventies. Betty has high fifties, Josh has mid fifties, and Haleena has low 30’s input (but camtalks aren’t d/r and she has quite a few so possible adjust to mid 40’s).
If you’re starting to get season 3 feels about how this endgame is shaping up… i totally see where you’re coming from.
Game analysis.
Marty: Comp threat. Strategically might have been better if not for the social manipulation abilities of the Ghost Alliance. Tried to Alphabro early wanting a JolieMecs type thing. His game really was strategically ruined by the Ghosts… oooh boy. His attitude was problematic, his opinions could be problematic, and he was never going to win, but would have dominated comps if they kept him. It was the right move to get him out, he knew the damn camera angles of every camera in the house. No really. His earliest kick yer feet up deal (if Josh is to be believed) was with Jay, Josh and Jess… a four not alliance but deal. Knowing that puts a totally different spin on some of Marty’s movement, but doesn’t change just how problematic he was. Marty had how many f2 deals, and is annoyed by ANY of those deals having another alliance or deal.
Summer: Social game based on creating tiers. She was with Honeybunch but didn’t want Jace. She was with Savage 7 but didn’t want Kyle and Moose. She was with Mandems but didn’t want Haleena. She was with Siblings but didn’t want Jess. She flirted as strategy to the point social media was hashtagging sino, surmon, and sumoose. At one point she was THE MOST insulated person in the house, then she tanked her own insulated position when Hermon and Betty were on the block. Entitled and Petty. See her campaign on the block, vs. the hoops she made people jump through when THEY were on the block.
Jace: started out top loaded with alliances, but instead of fostering all of them, she would ditch one for the next: Honeybunch, Cupcakes (Steph, Hal), Reatreat. Serially monogamous alliancing instead of maintaining all connections… with Gino being her raison d’etre. Likes to say she played an honest game… sorry no. Clutch comp winner that goes underestimated until now because Gino was goldenboy to the house. Truly, she has a sense of entitlement that rivals Summer’s. Gino def has a type. It comes as no surprise that a competitive figure skater wins both balance vetoes. Just saying.
Betty: Spent the first quarter of the game NOT PLAYING BIG BROTHER. No seriously, she was playing Moral Superiority. Never actually put in the work to make alliances, she was just included by others (sometimes without even knowing). As the numbers went down, and the competition she was facing in comps became weaker, she did better. At this point she’s still a morally superior right fighter that takes everyone at face value, then gets judgemental. She made it to this point instead of being evicted because there was always a more threatening target to the Ghosts, and they manipulated the HOH. Started the game with a real world connection to Hermon, and told everyone she’d never vote him out (which led me to the Week 2 conclusion one or the other should leave immediately).
Josh: Has thrown every comp he could win, and lost every comp he needed EXCEPT for the Triple HOH comp (that he didn’t actually NEED to win). He’s benefitted from other people liking him to the point they include him in alliances without him having to contribute. His lack of sharing game intel has actually started to make everyone question him now. Middle player that will DO ANYTHING to stay in the middle and now feels lost because he had to win something and make an actual move. He started the game with a real world knowledge of Jay, and had about 7 final 2 deals by week 2.
Haleena: On paper…. she’s actually a mess. She can’t win comps, she has challenges that screw her ability to study for mental comps, and she’s such a klutz, she went for a jog and tripped over her own feet when she left her house and reached the sidewalk. However, her game is invisible. She has the ability to see social cues, intuit game, and collect information from people while making them feel secure. She can’t actually win because of jury perception of her, they’ll NEVER take her seriously. But her social game has actually been ridiculously good. Worst edit inclusion for a final 5 house guest I’ve ever seen. NO really. She was Invisileena in the edit until Jess’ HOH when Jess wanted to quit and so Kevin’s f2 with Hal was added to the storyline. What, that wasn’t obvious to everyone? That’s how I read it immediately. Flashing back to a day 2/3 clip in week 4 to include a houseguest you’ve been neglecting by edit choice? Sideye. That was sus.
Kevin: A chaos schemer that has benefitted from partnering with Haleena as much as she has from him. Her reads mixed with his ability to conspire and implement chaos to his benefit have been social game gold. Can’t win a comp either… and needs to. Without Kevin, think of how this season actually would have progressed. He has had his finger in every pie, and hasn’t actually been held to task. The plays to the camera d/r part of his game I could do without (I don’t need the hand holding and spoon feeding production, i get what he’s doing). I’d like to see how he responds to Chaos he didn’t create and anticipate.
Betty wants to bring the Ghosts to the end!
So, Betty had her Wendy’s date with Kevin and has met with Haleena. She pitches Hal to go to F3 with her & Kevin (and sort of hints at the two females going F2).
She’s still upset at Josh who hasn’t made an effort to talk to her yet but I’m sure he will.
Her initial nominations will be Josh & Jace so that the Ghosts +Betty can get out one of the two strongest competitors. This is PRECISELY what Kev/Hal want so it sure feels like Kev misted Betty in the Wendy’s date.
Haleena & her strategized about Jace with Betty asking if she should pitch a “girls thing”. Hal said so ‘we working together right?” Betty said YES. Hal said why don’t you tell Jace your target is Josh but she has to put up Jace over Kevin/Hal b/c they immediately told her she was safe last night whereas Jace wanted to keep Summer but she’ll just be a pawn.
She’ll tell Betty she’s going to put up Kev if she wins POV. That’s when Hal suggested she warn Kevin what she’s going to tell Jace & that she has no intention on him leaving & that as long as Haleena is off the block she trusts she’ll keep Kevin no matter what & she’ll have the tiebreaker if either Josh or Jace try to vote him out.
Hal then suggested she let Josh explain himself & said I still think this thing between you two can be fixed at least on a personal level & while I understand he’s a great competitor it would be nice for you two to make amends. They both see now that Josh clearly had F2 deals with Moose, Hermon & probably Summer for her to be so upset.
They also wonder if he has a F2 with Kev & Josh (Betty implies that Kev said they did – not sure if I heard that correctly). Hal also suggested she tell Josh that Jace is the target (which Josh should be fine with since he has the Dummies to protect him anyway as long as Jace is on the block). The danger for Josh will be if Jace wins POV — SO expect him to be gunning for POV to ensure Jace doesn’t win it.
Hal/Betty also ran through the jury & how the guys will be with Gino & therefore that will help both Jace/Josh whereas the trio of Kev/Hal/Betty don’t have the same type of commitments in jury.
The HOH lockdown just ended so chats with Jace & Josh are upcoming.
Did anyone see the HOH comp? Kevin had 5 points and Betty had 4. How did Betty win? The conspiracy lives in the BB CAN house!!!!!
WARNING, LONG UPDATE OF POST TRIPLE ONE ON ONES.
?Friday Pm. I’m going to out for a portion of the evening, so I may miss Nomination fallout.
I’ll try to backstep as much as I can to fill everyone not on feeds in on what happened. This is the pre nomination report. I’ve done as much detail as I could.
WHERE WE STAND:
Josh has decided not to talk to Betty so he can be petty. eyeroll. That’ll change, prodo needs that conversation for the edit.
Betty Hal ONE ON ONE
Betty post Wendy’s has come to the conclusion that Josh has WAY too many deals this season. She thinks he’s being a coward not facing her and taking his tongue lashing like a man.
Kevin said he had a deal with Josh (f2?) during Wendy’s is what Betty is telling Hal.
Betty is not sure if she’s doing the Jace/ Josh noms or if she’s doing the Kev/Josh nom.
She wants her final three to be Kev and Hal, but she also considers the girl power route.
Hal said if she needs a renom, Betty could put her up (she’d hate it but understand). Betty doesn’t want to take Hals’ block virginity. Sideye.
So right now, If i understand it correctly, and I may be off… Hal and Betty are solid. Hal says she’s been offered Final 2’s in the game but never understood it because she didn’t know who the final 3 would be so agreed to watching backs and played along, but never understood the point of final 2 so early. (oh that’s a whopper). Betty says she never had a final 2 either… the edit clearly states that Josh and Betty had a final 2.
So
Betty is either nomming Jace and Josh or Kevin and Josh with a Jace renom plan in her Haleena one on one. They go over every option that covers them for whatever Betty wants by the end of the week (Josh or Jace out the door).
Jace Betty ONE ON ONE
Jace is trashing Hal/Kev as Marty’s minions. Says she and G weren’t working with Marty after the failed vote flip. Says Marty planted stories in Haleena’s head. Doesn’t admit to having the secret veto until Betty directly questions her, and says there was no back door Josh plan. She wants girl power or Betty Josh final 3. Jace says she’s loyal and hasn’t lied in this game…. (oh somebody check for lightning).
Betty tells Jace she wants Josh out, but that Jace is an option because Jace has played her in the past.
Jace pushes the week 2 women empowerment idea she expressed to Betty.
Betty may buy some of this. Not all, but some. Jace is making the mistake of being more anti Haleena than anti Josh after hearing that Josh is the target.
Jace pushes she’s a locked vote, and you have to take Haleena’s block virgin card, she’s too close to Josh. Jace says she doesn’t have a final 2 with Josh.
Jace pushes that Josh has a final 2 with each of Kevin and Haleena and they could split the snake pair that were always in the room when Betty and Josh were the noms decision (so were Jace and Gino… oops). Jace says the pair would save Josh if Jace is on the block. Jace should be pushing Kevin and Josh, she’s more pushing Hal and Josh. Does Betty notice?
Betty wants Jace to keep their talk private, she’s got to think about what she’s going to do.
Jace leaves.
BETTY ALONE
Betty says one of Josh or Jace has GOT to GO.
ED. when Betty went to Jace in the triple asking for her vote Jace wouldn’t commit. THAT is why Jace is not getting trust.
Josh Betty ONE ON ONE
incoming. He wants to make tea. She’s not laughing at him, she’s laughing at the situation.
Betty tells him the floor is his:
Josh explanation of his triple noms: He couldn’t trust Summer, she was making too many side deals. He only put Betty up because he owed Kevin and Haleena for their vetoes that saved him from the block. He couldn’t be positive they wouldn’t be voted out to save Summer, who he knew was in with everyone.
Josh says if he could do it differently, he would pull in all three of Betty, Kev and Hal and get their opinions on what to do for renom.
Betty makes it a dialogue: Betty says she felt the decision was already made before Josh told her, and it hurt because she now feels like she’s just been playing Josh’s game. Betty says she knows Josh has deals in the house, and she was ready to take second place to him in final 2 before his choice. She forgives him but her eyes are open now. Josh is wondering what deals? He didn’t deny deals, he asked her to specify? (ooooh. that’s not good). Josh says their friendship is good, but their gameship is bad now. He will show her through actions. Betty says Josh didn’t give reason as HOH, he just gave her the result. She thought his style as HOH was too KYLE. Now she knows she has to play her OWN game. She thought she and Josh were partners, but now realizes that in that moment he put owing Kevin and Haleena over his partner. He didn’t think she’d be HOH and there would be consequences. Betty isn’t saying they can’t rebuild, but she is saying you put me on the block, so I’m putting you on the block. This isn’t tit for tat (it is) and he isn’t playing tit for tat either. He says if he stays and wins final 4 HOH she will see (that’s the week veto holder has all the power dipshit).
Betty says Hal didn’t know about secret veto until after and was hedging her bets in case it was Josh OR marty backdoor, she didn’t technically save Josh, but Josh saved her in the triple. Josh says Betty isn’t expendable to him.
Betty wishes Josh had told her about his Summer doubts. She was running around like a chicken sans head in a triple trying to get votes. Josh says he had Kev and Hal’s word they would save Betty before he made the nom (they’ve always kept their word when we were on the block being the subtext he wants, but to Betty it feels more like prioritization).
ED. JOSH DOESN”T THROW DUMMIES UNDER THE BUS, He does say with Jace pulling him into rooms, he couldn’t get time to tell her his Summer doubts. Kevin revealing his Josh relationship at Wendy’s is problematic.
Josh is talking to Hal thinking they are the noms. Kevin is now Betty’s best friend. Both are fine with being noms. Both are saying they’ll try for veto.
Betty is alone listening to music and pumping herself about making a good decision.
Betty searches out Hal to tell her that Jace tossed Hal under the bus hard to try to save herself. Betty says she lied to Jace that it was Marty that told her about secret veto, not Hal ( ED. Betty walked in on what she decided was Jace browbeating Hal a couple days ago, so is more sympathetic with Hal atm). Jace pushing girl power while pushing a Hal nom was no bueno to Betty.
Kevin Betty ONE ON ONE
Betty lays out Jace’s entire pitch to Kevin. Kevin is laughing and loving the final 3 with Betty. Betty says Kevin could be screwing her over, Kevin says he knows his credibility isn’t high with her yet, but he’s all in. He says laugh about it or get mad, he chooses laughter. Betty informs Kevin she played along with Jace’s girl power talk in case he hears about it later. Kevin hopes Betty gets to play in veto ( ED.historically final 5 hoh plays in veto, check Breydon winning HOH and POV at final 5 in Season 9 * the un knotting the string speed comp, check Kyra winning in HOH final five and playing in the POV *balance strength endurance remove the jewels hand and foothold comp that Adam won). Kevin tells Betty that Josh and Jace win hands down in the jury, for anyone else to have a shot those 2 have to go.
Josh Kevin pantry
Josh still thinks it’s 2 dummies as noms. Kevin says third dummie has to win veto and we own the day, because Jace is the only nom left in that scenario.
Okay… taking a break now. Anything major that happens from about 6:30 pm to later this evening, I’ll back check and report.
NOMS
Jace and Josh
Betty has told Kevin she wants Josh gone, but either of the two gone is a fine.
Betty told Hal that Kevin is the renom.
Betty told Kevin that Hal is the renom.
Make of that what you will.
This isn’t a rant.
This is an observation.
Kevin and Josh wonder why Haleena has gotten called out as being a rat and a snake so much, and Kevin hasn’t when they’ve done exactly the same things to exactly the same people. They wonder if it’s one of those social perceptions of gender issues. Um… gee.
Consider: the jury now knows that Hal, Kev and Josh have a working relationship. Marty revealed in interview. Who are they crediting with good social manipulation game? Kevin and Josh. Who is a disappointment? Hal.
If I were being petty, I’d want to check to make sure they were being paid the same stipend.
Part of the reason this isn’t a rant: d’uh.
Like everyone isn’t aware of how social perception of gender is still a thing. It is.
We’re just actually getting men wondering if it’s a thing for the first time on big brother. NO really, point another time on another season where a man wondered if a woman playing the game in exactly the same way as him was being judged by different standards. There’s a trope that happens in bb: a woman wins one early season comp and is labeled a comp beast that must be evicted. There’s another trope that exists: a social manipulator male is called a gamer, a social manipulator female is a target.
Yes, Jace calls Kevin AND Hal AND Josh snakes. Privately. Publicly? She calls out Hal.
The jurors? See Kevin and Hal playing the same game, credit Kevin only.
Not a rant. An observation. mmmhmmm.
A thought. How different would the season have been if the abandoned alliance of week three had been successful, and the successful one abandoned?
Think about it.
In week three, Hermon pulled aside Summer, Moose and Tynesha to form a core of the savage seven. This is when Steph and Betty were to be noms. He was shoring up his core alliance within his dreamchild Savage 7 because his side deal Retreat was breaking with his showmance puppet Steph and his back end real world deal Betty both going on the block. When Moose went on the block instead of Betty, that broke the Savage 7 as well which lit the True Few / Fuse that was fanned into a bonfire when Josh was made renom.
But… what else was going on that could have altered the game even more?
The Rebel Rejects. That was Summer’s brainchild of trying to come up with numbers by pulling all of her side deals into one group. Proposed membership? Summer, Tynesha, Haleena, Kevin, Josh, Betty and either Jess or Hermon. Why was it abandoned? Hermon. He didn’t want to work with so many “floaters” (he really means geeks or losers when he says floaters). Summer and Tynesha dropped the idea of consolidating their working relationships into ONE machine because Hermon wanted to have his core people and his alpha bro club, and was pushing more for the Red bedroom alliance Kyle feared because Kyle deconstructed his dream alliance. It was never a forever to him, it was just to get rid of Kyle, then drop the losers (he said so). Even when Josh, Kevin, Hal and Jess each asked if Rejects could be done without Hermon, Summer didn’t follow through.
How would the game have altered IF Summer and Tynesha had formed it without Hermon?
I actually think that would have done one of two things: either the Alphabros would have been the house targets, or the house steamroll. Let’s review facts:
Kyle would have still left week four. Tynesha would likely not have been target week five because the Mandems and Siblings would have been a consolidated entity with Kevin and Josh meaning majority. Moose therefore would have been out. That means Moose doesn’t win chain of Safety. Summer had the next Highest roll.
The chain in that case becomes Summer, Tynesha, Betty, Josh, Kevin, Haleena, Jess and the bottom four become Hermon, Marty, Jace and Gino… Jess either picks Marty or Jace.
See where I’m going with this? Totally different season with that one choice.
You know what, that’s the main reason I don’t give a crap that Summer was evicted. She had the chance to radically alter the game with her own alliance plan to her own benefit, and didn’t follow through with it when she actually had to put in the work for result.
Week three was the week that actually tanked Summer and Tynesha because they didn’t make the move that would have altered their game and put them in the driver’s seat.
You know what, That alliance would have actually been my favorite alliance in the house.
Sorry. It would. I was actually excited about it for a day because it would have been a complete change from what we usually get.
Jacey and Josh got nommed
Saturday AM
As expected, now that Betty has had her chance to expel her righteousness like venom at Josh, she feels better and they’ve reconciled.
So now Betty wants Jace to go. (But if Josh goes he goes from a game level).
Apparently the final 5 will be having an Easter Hunt some time this weekend because BB forgot to tell them it was Easter last weekend (gee wasn’t the passover stuff a clue?).
Kevin is making his rounds. Hal is beginning to do that worry thing she does every week.
The final five is, in many ways, beginning to act more like a traditional final five. Everyone off in separate corners predominantly was weird. There’s usually only one outside of the conspiring circle.
Josh and Kevin tell Betty she’s like Keifer… Did Betty threaten to quit every time she went on the block? Did they have 8 hour feed blocks with everyone changing their mind and keeping him after she went to d/r to self evict? She’s definitely more the Tera.
Checked twitter for the first time since the Triple today. We’ve entered a mirror universe. Because Summer is gone, the girl they called racist all season is getting the nod of support to win veto to take out Josh. I mean, they still don’t call her by name (they’ve made up a million other names for her), but Josh taking out Summer has him on cancel call, and go get that veto Jace messages Where have they been for the last 23 days? I mean, Josh has been in a named alliance with Kev Hal for over 3 weeks. They still looked at the game as racially motivated, and can’t handle reality. How many times did Josh point out that Summer’s game was all about Summer, not about her allies, so he wouldn’t support her. There was an entire week where that’s a conversation he had with everyone but Betty. I’ve certainly the bias that both twitter and facebook have this season to a degree i never thought imaginable. I’ve had to go back and check my notes on multiple occassions because some of the alternate universe fanfic takes they’ve got going? Didn’t happen.
I don’t so much care right now about who wins veto. Sorry. I don’t. I’m more interested in what STYLE of veto comp they have. Everyone studying for the veto has me thinking, well the only time the veto was about house event trivia was season 6. I doubt they do strength like 7. speed is possible. individual time is possible. crap shoot is possible. I don’t see how bad do you want it (as soon as they say go on slop for the rest of the season Kevin wins veto and none of those 3 women are shaving their head). Could be a knock out rounds like season 4, but I doubt that too.
There’s lots of comps they haven’t done this year that have become sort of staple that they usually do, but final 5 veto has always been such a mixed bag depending on what type of season they were shooting for (this is why I’m saying it’s usually catered to a certain house guest).
Anyone else wonder if Kevin has throw comps? He says no, but i think he’s thrown a couple. Hal? she ain’t been throwing, and that’s sad.
Part of me wants to see Josh win veto JUST for bbtwitter to go meltdown again.
Juror Assessment:
Still of the belief that 16 people started out playing big brother this season, and currently 5 people are still playing. However, I think many in the jury are far more biased. So, while I’m assessing the jurors, please note, I don’t care in terms of game what a player’s race is, but I do believe it’s important to some of the jurors.
Juror 1: Hermon: most likely to vote Comps as biggest component, followed by his personal relationship to the final 2 in the game. He can pontificate to the choir as much as he wants about how much he wants that it’s about game to him, it isn’t. If you saw his ratings for the houseguests clip, you know that. will vote his opinion of who was cool over who was a loser (he doesn’t know what a floater actually means).
Juror 2: Moose: most likely to think he’s the jury whisperer. He isn’t. Most likely to follow the bros in putting more emphasis on comp wins and personal relationship. BUT, he is likely the most flexible in his opinion.
Juror 3: Gino: Comp wins and friendship yet again. He will vote most likely in terms of who played most like him as validation for how he played.
Juror 4: Marty: problematic juror. Comps comps comps and datfuqingbeddy. He’s most likely to follow the crowd because he’s easily manipulated. (secretly more likely to vote white and male because he identifies with them). thinly veiled bitter juror.
Juror 5: Summer: reality check, she used the word colonist too much in the house to not vote based on racial bias, but will vote petty. Really thinks she’s going to get her star moment when she does her jury question and makes it about herself, wait and see. Bitter juror that doesn’t actually gaf about how the winner played the game, but more about how she can get more hype for herself.
This jury would never respect a game where a player states they only won the comps they had to win or a player that states they played a social game over a comp win game.
Betty is in d/r.
The house was laughing about the arguments that happened simultaneously during the triple. Summer was in EVERY room cussing her head off at people it almost sounded like. lmao. It’s been pretty boring in terms of storyline. My d/r gremlin sense is going off HUGE.
fifteen minutes later:
Betty has left d/r.
She is now telling Josh Kevin is the evil genius of the season, has deals with everyone.
She tells Josh that Kevin pushed for Josh to leave.
Betty says if the veto is used, Kevin is going on the block.
Josh, who kissed Kevin’s name on the veto wheel yesterday, Is in utter disbelief.
Betty is still against taking Hal’s block virgin card in her talk with Josh. At the same time Betty pushes that Haleena is a gullible idiot buying whatever Kevin sells.
She is pushing that Kevin wanted Josh to leave this week.
Kevin exposed part 2: the D/Rgremlin cut.
Josh: Marty wasn’t the head of the snake, Kevin was…
(Reality check, they didn’t actually push for Marty to nom Josh and Betty, they tried to shift him throughout the week with veto and renom selections to keep Josh and Betty because they were better for the Ghost’s games, even thought they had discussed cutting Josh in the triple when he was still liked by everyone).
Challenge: does Josh keep his mouth shut, or does he talk to either Hal or EVEN Kevin?
Josh usually keeps his mouth shut… except with Kevin. Hmmm. Hal and Kevin can read Josh at this point. They are going to know something is off.
Why this is feeling a wee bit… off.
Betty is saying she got this gut feeling about Kevin during Wendy’s.
Betty told Kevin Jace’s whole pitch HOURS after Wendy’s. If she wasn’t trusting him, she wouldn’t have repeated EVERYTHING. There would be no need. She was all in on the final three deal until about 25 minutes ago.
It all clicked in over night in bed? Nope, she was still saying not bad if Josh or Jace leaves earlier today alone in her cam talk. This was definitely a product of her d/r visit.
This is definite D/Rgremlining.
So If anyone but Kevin wins veto Kevin is the current renom.
NOTES:
House perception that Haleena is a gullible weak willed moron servant / assistant is what is saving her at the moment. Betty is not capable of thinking of Haleena as intelligent at all.
Meanwhile, Kevin got greedy in his talk with Betty. Haleena told him to get close, but not too close, and to agree with her targets not push because Josh and Betty WOULD reconcile and he’d be screwed. He didn’t listen well enough and got cocky.
BTW…. BBCAN TWITTER SAYS FEEDS ARE DOWN FOR THE NIGHT AND RETURN TOMORROW.
AND FEEDS RETURNED AFTER THE FEEDS ANNOUNCEMENT. WTF BBTWITTER?
I’m guessing preemptive, because when they go down for veto it won’t return until tomorrow.
Kevin on the block and evicted is good but JACE on the block and evicted is chef’s kiss
Betty and Josh agree.
What this entire d/r gremlining does is break the Dummies.
Hal is now upgraded from idiot to sidekick.
Josh says he never had a final 2 with Kevin. Ya, they did. He’s had so many final 2’s that he’s used to telling that lie.
They still want Jace to go if she is on the block, but their eyes are open on Kevin now.
Josh says he can’t even look at Kevin anymore. (oh that’s not going to be too obvious, is it?)
DON’T TOTALLY BUY JOSH’S ACT HERE: HE HASN”T REVEALED THE DUMMIES ALLIANCE AND HE’S BEEN PUSHING TALK BACK TO JACE LEAVING.
He’s just making sure if Jace wins veto he’s staying, but otherwise it’s back to the covered on all sides Josh game.
What we don’t know: What has Kevin revealed to Josh in the hour they were talking while feeds were down. Ya, that happened this afternoon.
I’m betting Kevin will be called to d/r now to be asked how he feels now that Betty and Josh have reconciled. Is he scared he’ll be the renom, or Betty will have loose lips?
Kevin will leave d/r thinking he has to win Veto.
Meanwhile, they’ll call Haleena to d/r to ask her how her day is going. one d/r an episode Haleena will be thrilled to just get a d/r call.
Okay, I’m guessing the return of the feeds down overnight message means they will indeed be doing a one at a time individual time comp like season 9 midgame when they would take an hour and a half each to do their run, and the comp win order went from winner being first to compete at 8pm to biggest loser competing starting at 130am.
Just MY guess.
If you missed it: This afternoon on feeds Betty will still talking about how Jace had to be evicted this week. She reconciled with Josh and kept talking about Jace being the target.
Nobody was on to Kevin’s game. In fact, he made a new final 3 with Betty and she spilled Jace’s whole campaign to him.
THEN SHE WENT TO D/R, came out, immediately called Josh to HOH and a fiction emerged that she was on to Kevin the whole time.
Believe what you want. THAT’S what actually happened. Production sabotaged Kevin for storyline. Just like Production convinced Marty to put Hermon on the block. Just like Marty never had a renom decided until after his d/r call in ANY of his HOH weeks.
Again, does it affect outcome? Not necessarily. It’s just one of those oh right it’s reality entertainment programming not an actual gameshow moments. SORRY to point it out to the true believers… BUT that’s exactly the order of events. As of 3pm she was saying Jace gotta go and trusting Kevin. As of 6 pm, RIGHT after her d/r call ended Kevin was exposed and saying she’d known for over 24 hours. WHEN HAS BETTY EVER KEPT THAT TO HERSELF WITHOUT CAMTALK THIS ENTIRE GAME?????? Exactly. Her cam talks tell the tale. And her camtalks were Jace out trust Kevin until that D/R call.
Don’t Yas Queen her intuitive prowess, high five the d/r gremlin flying monkey it that’s the result you wanted.
Sat pm. end of my day.
okay. sorry.
I was a little heated about the obvious production maneuver.
It’s not the first of the season. It was the most blatantly obvious one. Even more obvious than Marty’s calls to d/r before deciding a renom. Why? This was so blatant because it is an exact 180 in Betty’s game before and after a d/r call.
This is no different than the feeds down for 24 hours during a fan safety vote with Kevin safe with everyone and returning with the first Kevin exposed. This is storyline plot device.
I didn’t even need my tinfoil hat it was so blatant.
This is no different than season nine each of the times Keifer went to the d/r to walk out of the game, folllowed by hours of feed block, feeds returning, and all of the house guests miraculously changing their minds.
This is no different than Heads of Household being called to d/r in the middle of their one on one meetings after mentioning putting Paras on the block, returning a half hour later saying anyone but Paras on the block.
This is no different than the Sunday reveals of the Prettyboys, and the Monday morning d/r calls when everyone completely forgot about the existence of the Prettyboys.
This is no different that houseguests leaving the d/r in bbus season 18 saying they were told they can’t target Nicole Franzel.
This is no different than a million ofhter examples, but in the heat of the moment I got over-excited.
Every word I said is true, but I think I got a little hyper.
I should be used to it, because I’ve always been aware of the score when it comes to Reality Entertainment programming. I just hate when it’s so obvious and the man behind the curtain is waving at me saying ‘what are you gonna do about it.’
Production giveth (telling Marty who to renom) while giving Kevin the mastermind edit, and Production taketh (blowing up Kevin to Betty through directed questioning for mostly scripted d/r clips before veto is played for the Wednesday episode because they don’t generally do storyline d/r on Sundays).
Does this mean Kevin is the next juror or even that he will actually end up on the block?
no. this just provides Kevin with the chaos he didn’t create or anticipate himself and evens the table in terms of final 4.
ASIDE and away from the DR/GREMLINING and BACK to GAME STRATEGY:
Once you have identified a manipulator, that player no longer has power.
So, is it smarter to target Jace or Kevin this week?
Kevin is comp ability deficient.
Jace is still overall better in physical comps than Josh when it comes to clutch.
Jace is still better than Betty in mental comps and house history.
Those are the final three comps part one and two. You don’t want that to get past 5 when one of your pair can’t play in the final 4 HOH. This is just fact, not bias. If you are in a pair that wants to get to final 2, get rid of the strongest competitor at 5. This is BB101 that hardly EVER gets followed.
I still say Josh is more worried about Jace than Kevin, or he would have revealed the existence of the Dummies alliance. He’s still trying to figure out if Kevin had a bigger plan in pushing Josh as nominee (he was playing into Betty’s anger to bond and become her number 2 even though he pushed too hard, exactly what Hal warned him NOT to do).
I still say if Kevin wins veto there is a small chance he saves Josh, in order to flush out Haleena’s block virginity. I’m not sure of the vote there because hardly anyone follows BB101 advice, and Betty would get to take away Kevin’s manipulated every eviction card in theory. It’s a chance because he’s gotten cocky. (Until he and Hal read Josh, and know something is up).
Episode Edit Assessment:
What does BB season edit history tell us: one of the Honeybunch is in final 2, more likely Josh because he’s also the last Savage 7 member in the house (first week edit). But Jace could dark horse as the creator of Honey bunch in first episode. More likely Josh.
What else does edit tell us? Haleena should not get final 2. She gets an average of about 1.5 d/r an episode. Everyone else has an average of 2.75 or more. She wasn’t IN the storyline at all until week 4, and her edit plotline didn’t include any game play until week 6. I contend her role was fill in because Jess wanted to quit.
BIG JURY QUESTION THAT STUMPS MOST OF THE FINALISTS: Name a strategic game move you came up with and made for yourself that got you here.
History of final 5 eviction:
season 9: Beth (the showmance girl without a shield with least active connection in the house)*, Season 7: Mark (the least effective Prettyboy with least connections in the house), Season 6: Maddy (the least connected in the house)*, Season 5: Dillon (the least connected in the house)* Season 4: Joel (the least connected to existing pairs)+, Season 3: Pilar (the showmance girl without a shield with least game connections in the hosue)+, Season 2: Adel (the sole survivor of early alliances and the bigger threat)+, Season 1: Andrew (the bigger threat)+.
Side note: the target has won veto at f5 four times + early season trend. The HOH has won veto at f5 three times* recent season trend. Season 7 is of course the aberration, as it was the aberration in oh so many, many ways (not a lot of them good).
Feeds are back – Jace is in deep thought in bed & keeps taking those long deep breaths people do when they’re upset or annoyed. Haleena is first one up (side eye).
Of course I’m uber annoyed at the DR Gremlining so was hoping to learn that Kevin won POV just to screw over this shift of Betty to target Kevin.
Then we learn HALEENA WON THE POV!!!
I did believe Kevin would be safe regardless & also envisioned him setting up jury for Haleena to win if he was evicted b/c he could out the Ghosts/Dummies & how Josh threw all the comps but one which would’ve turned off players like Hermon/Moose/Gino/Marty.
Moving ahead — NOW we wait to see if Josh tells Kev what Betty said about targeting him & how she’s turned on Kevin.
OR will Josh get fearful since Hal will keep noms the same (I mean will Betty actually try to test her to take down Josh or Jace? — not likely Betty would be that dumb?
Also will Hal/Kev out to Josh that he was Betty’s target & she made a F3 deal with them that they went along with so not all 3 would land OTB but knew they had to win POV so the Dummies would go to F4.
Moving forward– Kevin & Haleena are discussing the option of keeping Jace b/c it would allow Josh to set up the jury on their games. But they recognize Jace would beat anyone & is strong in comps especially the dates.
IMHO unless TPTB pushes them to keep Jace they won’t b/c it’s worse for their games.
They are talking about Betty potentially winning F4 HOH but she can’t so it’s only the Dummies playing for F4 HOH — (sorry – but I’m pulling for one of the Ghosts to win it & ALSO for one of them to win POV).
I want to see a situation where the Dummies pull a Brigade-like reveal to Betty so she goes to the jury with that knowledge.
I’m hoping Haleena pulls her aside & gives her more details to help her own game because Betty will feel more shafted by Josh keeping this information from her especially after yesterday when Josh played her on the Kevin part of the equation.
If Haleena apologizes for not being more forthcoming about the Dummies/Ghosts Betty might understand especially if Haleena talks about how as the female in the trio she took heat for everything that Kev/Josh were also guilty of but the jury won’t judge them like how they’ll judge her. READ: Could Betty be Haleena’s jury advocate?
All I know is I got on board early this season with the Ghosts (more so than the Dummies) so I’m happy they’ll reach F4. Now I’ll cross my fingers they land in F2 b/c they’ve been one of favorite duos of BB ever. I’ve ranted quite a bit on how much Haleena’s game is underestimated & hopefully her winning this POV will help change part of that dynamic.
I’ve enjoyed Kevin’s mind but Hal’s read on the house is unparalleled & tbh if she hadn’t been with Kevin he never gets this far in the game b/c the intel she was able to provide saved his butt more often then he ever saved hers. I’m torn on who I’d prefer as the winner but might be slightly leaning to Hal (which may not be a popular choice).
Betty is talking in her HOH room – seemingly running through scenarios. B/c she’s whispering it’s hard to hear but she says we have to get these guys out at one point as she is working on what she will tell Haleena.
So will she push to keep Jace? (if she does that the Dummies will shift to keep Josh b/c that will ensure he boots Betty if he wins POV).
If she pushes too hard to keep Josh the Dummies may shift to taking him out (which they’ve already agreed would have to be in a blindside).
At this stage, Hal is leaning to boot Josh & Kev prefers to boot Jace. And it’s where we get the interesting dynamics of the Ghosts. Recalling when Haleena considered keeping Gino instead of Josh it was Kevin who laid out the pros & cons of the situation to get her to the G vote out.
The reality is Kevin did that b/c he knew Josh would be more loyal to him (and Hal in fairness) but what he didn’t know is Gino WOULD have gunned for HOH & targeted the Ghosts/Marty.
Keeping Jace is may be more dangerous for Haleena. If Jace was being real in her self musings yesterday that she would take Hal to F2 then NO it’s better to boot Josh who likely takes Kevin to F2 but things shift so much we can’t be sure if Jace wouldn’t take Betty over Hal. She’s also very keen to work with men so I just don’t know if I could trust what Jace says. If we base it solely on Jace’s action even after Betty said “females to the end” Jace spent the next 20 minutes trying to get Hal put OTB (not Kevin) so I’m not 100 sold she would take Hal to F2.
Side note: I’m dying to learn how Gino reacts when Marty/Summer walk through the door & he learns the votes came from Jace/Ghosts – that will show Gino that Hal/Kev were NOT all in on Marty b/c they could’ve saved him instead of Betty.
Will Gino finally clue in (or someone in the jury) that Hal/Kev are the true masters of the season? If they don’t boot Josh this week & Jace arrives she’ll be the one to deliver that Haleena won POV & it was Kev/Hal who voted her out.
If they do vote out Jace will Haleena (or Kev) try to give her a heads up prior to her leaving about the Ghosts/Dummies? She’s such a loose cannon I don’t know if they could trust her not to tell Betty (and again – would that be a bad thing? b/c then Betty might feel even more betrayed by Josh).
Hal can’t tell her it’s bc of what Betty wants & Kevin is on board b/c then she just looks like she’s playing Kevin’s game.
I’m thinking it’s more likely she tells her in the GBM about the Ghosts/Dummie’s alliances & explains that’s why she couldn’t keep her.
If they blindside Josh I’m thinking Haleena would be the greatest benefactor via Josh’s download to the jury b/c he’ll be relaying how Hal took ALL the heat for moves the three of them were doing & was the most instrumental to keeping the Dummies updated on what everyone was thinking – hasn’t ever touched the block & the one time she was the most in jeopardy of going OTB she won the POV.
Gino, Summer and Marty were all interviewed together. Therefore Gino already knows that at least Kevin and Josh are aligned. Marty revealed Haleena is in an alliance with Josh. They credited the boys, not the girl for being strategic in this. Shocking. Eyeroll.
as per the last interview i looked at, Gino’s least team Kevin. Marty is least team Hal. Sour grapes knowing the supposed Masters of the Game were played by the Hermon usage of ‘floaters.’ Marty is most hurt by the final 2(he had multiple) he thought would mean clear victory having other plans. Gino is most hurt by the male he considers a mastermind.
Marty’s list when you actually look at is what you’d expect: men top, women bottom, bruised ego last.
Gino’s list is expected as well: showmance and most like himself top, weak non comp winner middle bruised ego bottom.
Summer’s list? can she vote for herself from jury? Bitter and petty and pushing Betty.
Did you see Moose & Hermon ranking of the hamsters? Hermon gave Josh the lowest vote (for the betrayal – not a surprise) but ranked Summer 2nd highest (I think she was tied with a few) while Moose ranked her the highest. I mean WT actual F?
Kevin got high praise from both – Betty was super low (shocker) – Jace was I think ranked 3rd – both ranked Gino super high & they gave Hal a decent score too with Hermon praising her for not going OTB & winning a POV & Moose praising how logical she was & her positioning. As for Kev, they intimated he was running the house — the other hamsters will hopefully get to a place where they recognize BOTH Kev/Hal were running the house.
I can just imagine Marty calling out Hal for not honoring their deal. She could easily say you made a F2 with Summer (twice – & named it both times) made a F2 with Kevin, Gino, etc, etc, then told the entire house I was number 1 painting a target on my back by all the hamster who were mad at you. Was I working with you of course but I never took that deal seriously or else you would’ve been more protective of it not blasting it to the house.
Since we’ve seen GBM’s from Kevin for Gino & for Hermon we know he didn’t out the Dummies – Josh might’ve but it’s not on brand for him (keep everything secret) so I think Haleena has begun putting in the work on that end. I think she also told Moose some things before he left as did Kev.
Gino being furious with Kev is pretty hypocritical since he had deals with everyone in the house like EVERYONE – there was no stone unturned AND he intended on backstabbing Hal/Kev if he’d stayed and won triple HOH, but was threatening them for their vote — how does that make logical sense & how does he not see he’s judging Kev for taking identical actions?
Kevin/Hal didn’t have to win HOH to control what happened (& which pool of people to set up as targets). He knew Marty would be the target & he/Hal may also be pawned but always be safe ahead of Marty. Hal (and to a lesser extent Kevin) got Marty to shift to taking Hermon & Hal won POV to ensure Josh/Marty’s safety but if we read between the lines from Jace they actually weren’t ready to take a shot at Marty b/c Moose was an equally good choice for them.
The game really kicked into gear with the Tynesha vote out which doesn’t happen without the Ghosts (and specifically Hal). If Josh had better communication skills or could utilize Betty like the Ghosts used Marty they could’ve got out Josh instead of Jess in the double which was the only evictee that the Ghosts would’ve preferred someone else had left . But directly or indirectly every eviction since Tynesha (other than Jess) was controlled by Kev/Hal so I can’t wait to see how some of the hamsters process that fact once they return to their normal lives.
But yeah – it feels like Kev could beat out Hal if they got to F2. I like them both for different reasons & depending on what happens in the next five comps (F4 HOH/POV, Final HOH parts 1, 2, 3) could shift who might deserve it more
Something else SUPER FISHY was after Betty spent an entire b*tch session with Joss trashing Kevin – she said if Kevin owned his game she would vote for him (implying if he was beside Hal) — ummmmmmmmmm what happened to her saying “I want a woman to win?” Perhaps Kevin was right and it was more for the women in jury to vote for her if she got there.
Betty’s session.
Post ‘miraculous’ realization Kevin was playing her (y’know, the d/r gremlining) has her saying Haleena over Kevin again. If it lasts.
I think 90% of her woman winner applies to ‘as long as she’s the winner.’
Today is Orthodox Easter, which may explain why there was talk of an Easter Dinner this weekend not last weekend. Betty is Ethiopian Orthodox.
HALEENA WON VETO.
Gee every time I actually write Haleena has no shot in a veto she wins veto. If you’re a Haleena supporter, I guess you want me to continue the trend. wink.
Kev and Hal know that Betty and Josh made up.
Considering that Betty thinks Hal is being snowed by Kevin the same way she and Josh were, she’ll likely tell Haleena the straight goods.
Josh for his part is keeping up the charade, but imo you can tell. His body language and little side insinuations double entendres.
The plan:
Kevin and Hal are going to take every minute available to come to a decision.
Hal wants Josh out more (means she is with 3 people that would take her to final 2, which she doesn’t fully know).
Kevin wants Jace out more (means that he is sitting with one person that would take him to final 2, but he doesn’t know that, he thinks it puts him with 3).
So, the difference is actually effect on Haleena: Does she think of her own game or the duo’s game. In every decision she goes with best bet for the duo. The problem: Kevin frames HIS best bet as what is best for the duo.
Hal is going to need to stand up to Kevin instead of deferring on the decision? Does she DO that?
Schrodinger’s Cat veto Logic:
This jury? Views the non use of veto as why not make a big move. Here’s the part of their logic they miss: They credit the HOH for the eviction, not the veto holder.
So, in not using the veto, the veto holder is actually empowering themselves by stopping a blindside renom this season. In each case where Hal has won veto, the renom options were less palatable than the existing noms.
Betty no longer believes a word Kevin says. Good job d/r. Basically, Kevin denying he has a final 2 with Haleena is about as true as Betty saying she doesn’t have a final 2 with Josh. The edit clearly stated Betty and Josh had a final 2…. back when Josh had so many final 2’s he was the season Tyler.
Josh is a fan of Nicole Franzel and Kyland. Gut reaction was to nope his ass just for that. I didn’t. It was CLOSE. Haleena was a fan of the Couch? whoa. Oh children, stop talking about who you like in the american edit… I’m getting peeved. At least neither of them is a feed watcher. Kevin however, is a feed watcher and liked Paul in 19. Yeah, the season I had to stop watching feeds 3 times for long periods.
Kevin thinks Betty doesn’t trust anyone. He thinks Betty is a bigger jury threat than Josh… um, she can’t be evicted Kevin so keep your eyes on the task at hand. Eyeroll. Did Kevin catch that she’s now deflecting him with his usual manipulation techniques?
Josh and Betty are finally starting to see that Haleena hasn’t been sitting there doing nothing. She already told Betty she didn’t know who the renom would be and was hedging her bets. Josh already knew this. They talk to each other like it’s brand new information they just discovered through their own mental process. They realize she’s been doing more behind the scenes than they originally thought (Josh knows this too, he’s been working with them and knows it wasn’t just Kevin… eyeroll). They agree Kevin has been doing more though (accurate, he did use the safety prize week 3 to unravel Marty’s grip on reality).
Josh and Betty think Haleena is the key to saving Josh because Kevin wants him out. It’s actually reverse right now. So close. eyeroll.
Josh thought he was close to winning the veto. Betty clocks him and says Hal did it in ten minutes, dude.
Betty says Hal already told her she’s not using veto. She also believes Hal knows Jace considers Hal a layup to win in final 2. Hal doesn’t KNOW that as far as I’m aware, but may suspect it.
Betty says Kevin lied to her saying he’d go to final 2 with her. Oddly enough in that moment, doing jury math, he might have actually considered it to be true?
Betty just lied to Josh? She said Kevin was pushing for a final 3 with Betty and Josh. He wasn’t that I heard… he said Betty and Haleena. Did she misunderstand, or is she purposefully lying? Hmmm. Kevin did say two weeks ago alone that a final three with Betty and Josh would be ideal. I didn’t hear that part today.
JOSH STILL HASN’T OUTED THE DUMMIES TO BETTY.
I MOVED THIS UP B/C IT TIED IN BETTER WITH YOUR ABOVE POST
SUNDAY PART 2
Josh is asking Betty how to campaign to Josh’s alliance.
That tells you everything you need to know about the guy that has benefitted from others playing the game around him.
He still hasn’t revealed the alliance.
Neither understands why Hal would even consider keeping Jace when Jace was intimidating her last week. The jury is all of Jace’s friends.
Betty would take out Kevin at final 4. So would Josh he says…. hmmm. He will change his mind because of the hero v. villain final 2 thinking the jury respects the heroic game more.
Betty says Hal being the only Punjabi woman in bbcan history is something she respects.
Betty would consider voting for Hal over Kevin if they were final 2.
Josh would likely vote Kevin.
Betty will save Josh in a split vote (how does she think she’s getting a split vote?)
Josh thinks Kevin is on to him (Betty reassures Kevin isn’t…. Kevin knows Josh is lying about Betty and Josh still being at odds).
AN-eeone thinking, “See Josh has had his come to Jesus moment with Betty’: WHAT does JOSH do in the game? Perpetually tries to find the middle. He’s hedging so that he’s good with Dummies and good with Betty. He’ll follow the tide and won’t make waves. It’s not in his character. If he weren’t hedging the Dummies would be exposed. Still think this week would be SO much easier if Betty hadn’t blanket turned down working with Kevin and Haleena and Josh in week 5/6. She was fine with Kevin and Josh, but didn’t want to work with Haleena. There would be zero drama right now.
HOWEVER: Josh has completely personalized and is feeling petty. He no longer wants to be friends with Kevin after the game…. because he doesn’t like the lying Kevin has done (didn’t mind when Kevin told him he was being evil and lying his ass off to keep Josh in the game). Oh great, he’s back to his honest game role model that is only covered with blood spatter not actual blood schtick. I’ve stated previously that I like Josh, but I can’t stand that part of him. He’s just as deep in the mud as every other person there. NOBODY has a clean game. Nope, not even Betty, as sanctimonious about hypcritical honesty as she is, she’s lied, she just can’t tolerate someone lying TO her. A trait she shares with Josh.
Betty and Josh think they’ve been played since Tynesha was evicted. Yesterday they both admitted Tynesha did name Kevin and Hal as renoms. They’ve decided that Hal didn’t know who the renom was, so she wasn’t actually saving Josh. Josh was in on the veto decision. He’s always known the choice could have been Josh or Marty in Kev/Hal’s minds. He’s hedging. 100%, but he’s still in his feels about Kevin, without talking to Kevin.
Why do I say that? They’ve clocked that Kevin pushes whatever initial noms the HOH wants. They think he’s part of that decision process. That’s not pattern. Pattern is let the HOH make whatever noms they want, then work on them for the renom or a target shift. That’s how the con works. Consistently. So they’ve clocked the initial part and consider that the full con, they’ve missed the consideration of each week’s HOH as a long con, and drawn the reel in as the entire grift. Reality: This is because Betty wants her moral outrage, and isn’t willing to look at the whole picture. When she says they are only scratching the surface of Kevin and Haleena’s game, they are right, because they are only looking at the parts that fit the false moral indignation narrative. Don’t make me pull receipts on Betty. Those receipts exist.
Jace clocks Josh leaving the HOH. she knows he’s been in there a LONG time. She caught the celebrations last night. Jace HAS to know she’s in trouble and has to swing back to the Ghosts. She HAS to realize that, right?
At this point… Josh is the worst strategic player left in the house. Comes as no suprise, he’s depended on social charisma not strategy. His social charisma depends on authenticity. Can he pull that off with Kevin or Haleena now?
How is it that Kevin and Haleena have figured out Betty doesn’t trust them? I contend it’s because Betty looked everywhere BUT Kevin’s face when they talked this morning.
Chances Hal uses veto? I give that a zero right now, but we haven’t had any d/r call for Hal that i’ve noticed.
Which of Josh or Jace is evicted if that call never comes? I leave that to the D/R. SHUSH. After Kevin exposed by D/R, I’m hedging and saying the evictee will be whoever D/R pushes. Period.
Question: How did the visual learner and self professed klutz win a veto blindfolded? If you aren’t side eyeing that fun factoid… Why aren’t you questioning that fun factoid?
See above
Sunday 3
OPINION
If Josh’s talk with Haleena is ANY indication…
the boy is doomed.
He was so not convincing. An hour in HOH with Betty and he can’t really say anything other than he and Betty still aren’t 100 and he thinks she wants Jace gone? AN HOUR.
Try HARDER dude.
Haleena’s face? She clocked something. She read something off of that.
Betty and Haleena:
Betty blows smoke up Haleena’s ass as Haleena blows smoke up Betty’s ass.
Both are saying exactly what the other wants to hear.
It’s a chess game, and both SHOULD actually walk away thinking ‘she’s playing me, but i think i snowed her.’
The decision hasn’t been made yet by the Ghosts. It won’t be for days.
Betty wanting to tell Jace Monday? I don’t see that happening. Gut feeling. If Betty does go to Jace saying she’s going home, that’s the perfect time for the Ghosts to say to Jace “how bad do you want to stay since she clearly wants you gone?”
That’s stupid to do when you have a multiple comp winner on the block at 5… but tbh, it might be the better move for Haleena… but not Kevin.
The problem? Jace is fickle and has only stuck with Gino. Every other alliance was a transactional alliance with NO actual commitment.
When they joked yesterday that this season they just tossed 16 villains in the house together… they weren’t THAT far off. Alliance loyalty has been transactional and shifted every week (EXCEPT FOR THE GHOST DUO… and even then Kevin thought about dumping Hal for Josh or Betty a couple of weeks ago). Name another season where an HOH gets credit for evicting an ally 9 out of 11 times.
STILL SUNDAY.
Lost track of where i am
GHOSTS MEET.
As Veto reward, Haleena got a five minute strategy session with Kevin Martin. Marty just died, rolled over in his grave, and cursed in french.
She’s telling the house it was a 5 minute recorded message but it was videochat.
In their current math, it’s better to get rid of Josh.
Kevin has shifted gears and is pushing Josh now? Hmmm. suspicious.
Josh being off and Betty being suspicious is now altering Kevin’s feelings. He thinks Josh would champion his game to jury still?
Kevin is REALLY pushing this more than Haleena, and I’m finding that questionable.
As i said before, Keeping Jace benefits Haleena more than Kevin by far at the moment.
Their jury math is completely wrong. Just putting that out there.
What do they fail to recognize: feelings in the house expressed while they were still in the house are not necessarily the feeling of the jurors once they leave the house.
The HIVE mind isn’t complete. And yes, juries hive mind in recent seasons. We haven’t had a major split in deliberations since season 4. Just saying.
It’s SUNDAY. Sunday isn’t CANON. Any decision reached on a Sunday is not real until Monday.
What Haleena doesn’t realize, in Kevin’s jury math, Haleena is ALWAYS in jury. Or does she?
I’m going to say this definitively: In terms of strategic social game, the Ghosts deserve the win. HOWEVER: in terms of THIS jury, they lose unless they are the final 2.
Jace has yet to talk with the Ghosts, and Josh is mostly avoiding them. One of them has the veto… and therefore is GOING to be in final 4. Why would you NOT attempt to at least talk to the one that is GUARANTEED TO BE THERE IN FINAL 4???? If ever you were going to sell your soul in the game, it’s on the block at fnal 5.
Here is the only fly in the ointment:
Now that Hal knows the depths of shit talking Jace has done about Haleena, her game strategy has been ‘say my name gotta go.’ This is why the decision right now may not be the decision by Thursday. Expect Kevin to try razzle dazzle, and Haleena to push feelings and intuition.
SUNDAY PART 4ISH
At some point I think there were a couple of D/R’s for Kevin and Haleena.
After a 2 hour feed block,
Kevin is pulling out his tears again, he isn’t here for tv, he’s here to win.
Better win some comps dude, cus yeesh, there’s a couple of people with torches coming for the monster.
Josh and Betty Living Room White Couch Chat.
Josh is tired of faking it with Kevin / Haleena. He’s faked it for a whole… 5 hours?
duuuude.
He actually denied being in an alliance with Kevin and Haleena to Betty. He talked about other alliances he was in.
Says he would have tried to evict Kevin and Marty in the triple had he known… he DID know. Come on. This poor victim schtick had BETTER be schtick at this point, because is this is redemptive storyline plot device I’m gonna plotz on his meshugganah head.
He’s known everything that has been done to benefit him in the game without him having to actually get his hands dirty. DEWD. shake my head.
Josh the victim is a Josh that is annoying AF.
Betty now believes Kevin is the reason she was nominated in week 2. NOPE. THAT one belongs to the 4 boys alpha alliance primarily KYLE deciding Betty was a good pawn that wouldn’t break Marty’s word to Steph and guarantee Jay went home. That was pre-Kevin when Kevin was still acting wild and crazy doesn’t know what’s going on stage. He had nothing to do with it.
Haleena knew, didn’t care because she thought she could make some points with Betty if she told Betty she was voting to save her.
Let’s remember, the Kevin and Marty bond wasn’t really game until week three. It was groundwork. Let’s also remember, Haleena had aleady laid groundwork week one to get close to Kyle and Marty. She started game talking with them as soon as day 3.
Betty to that point wasn’t playing Big Brother.
Josh to that point wanted to save Jay and had final 2 deals with half the house, and was in the two first known alliances (we have since learned there were more alliances at that time).
Josh tells Betty he wanted to work with Jay, Jess and Betty but not Jess. Actually, alone on cam he said his ideal at the start was Jay Jess and Marty until Marty targeted Jay because Jay tried to flip the vote saying we have to get all the white people out week one. THAT’S how Marty and Kevin first bonded.
IF Betty keeps pushing about the triple and how Summer became a target, she’s actually going to uncover that Josh’s timeline is WAY off. Right now Josh is shifting the reasoning to Hal revealing Summer’s final 2’s. But his other reasons say he’s been planning it longer than since Tuesday this week. Does Betty notice Josh’s timeline is fukakta? The slop passes and throwing comps while Betty and Josh were struggling reason shows this has been in his mind for at least 2 weeks.
Betty is called to D/R.
Jace / Haleena Interior Yard Blue Couch Chat
Jace and Hal are discussing their week one final 2 deal (started as a final 3 with Steph).
Jace is pushing how it could really happen. Hal says she herself would never have put Gino on the block, and she knows that Jace must have felt blindsided. Hal tells Jace to remember weeks ago Hall told her everyone was going to try to pin them against each other and crap talk each other, they just had to remember they were good with each other.(variation of everyone else has to go as long as it’s not us who cares speech).
They discuss the veto Haleena didn’t use. So much house talk of Marty and Josh being targets, and neither were best for Haleena at that time really and Gino said not using it is good. They discuss Josh having nine lives (considering she and Kevin have been moving heaven and earth to consistently save his ass…. she should be meowing this part). Jace is finally pushing for Hal to use the veto. Hal is pushing semantics and optics (she’s gotta be cluing that Kevin might be evicted if she used the veto i think???) Jace did a weird slip, she mentioned Josh as a factor in next week and quickly said Kevin to cover. She skipped Hal as a consideration to win HOH, and then added she said and you (she didn’t). She’s calling Betty and Josh the duo that has been running the house. They are running the house from the block??? Oh Jace. She’s putting her words in Betty’s mouth from the last conversation they had when Jace was throwing Hal under the bus huge. Kevin told Hal that Jace shit talks her a lot behind her back…. I’m thinking this is not going to be the veto is getting used talk without a realllllllly loooong D/R. Hal reveals that Betty says Jace is calling Hal the snake in the house and never trust Hal. Jace says Betty wants Hal to flip and keep Josh.
Haleena puts out the feeler that she could use veto, but she’d need to talk to Kevin and Betty to feel things out. Hal tells Jace she feels like Jace will stay veto use of no.
Haleena is called to D/R again. ANYONE ELSE SHOCKED HALEENA GOT CALLED TO D/R MORE THAN ONCE TODAY? Did she have to ask directions to get there? Oh wait, looking above NOW i understand.
Kevin
Kevin… he’s back and forthing throughout the house. Playing his wounded and emotionally drained Kevin schtick while observing every conversation.
Josh and Betty have been inseparable today, and each is trying to play off the ‘we’re not good yet’ card????? Um. mmkay. eyeroll. When Jace notices…. ur not slick. Long talk last night. Celebration post veto. Long talk today. Inseperable… gee they’re still mad???? riiiiiiiiight.
PROBLEM: Jace has gone to both pairs and said the other pair has been behind the scenes running the season. I don’t think that’s a good move. Didn’t think it was a good move the first time she did it pre-veto. Think it’s a horrible move to make a second time pre-veto ceremony. I’m actually trying to be kind here and put that forward in interest of her own game. She’s been with Hal for quite a while. Hal is going to be asked about this… what if she dishes?
FLIPSIDE PROBLEM: In order to stay, Josh has to put on the flirt with Kevin, and he’s not doing it. He pretty much has to sell Betty down the river while saying but he’s got to repair with her for next week. If Josh can’t do that, Kevin is going to KNOW he’s lost Josh, and cozy up to Jace.
I still doubt Veto gets used without a LOT of d/r time. Unless Kevin Martin’s message to Hal was why not send Kevin to jury to explain your game… he aked you to do that for him a few weeks ago. BUT… sending out Kevin is The Worst MOVE for Hal when the other options are Josh with Betty and fickle Jace.
Okay – not moving this again (AN— I’ll learn next time to start with most recent post lol)
The fact TPTB gave Betty all this information at what is essential F4 (for Kev/Betty/Hal b/c they won’t be OTB) is extremely shocking to me. They always interfere but at this late stage to so thoroughly try to sabotage the guy at the top shocked me. It would’ve been on par with BB US pulling in Frankie & Caleb to out Derrick/Cody were running the house, playing them & couldn’t be trusted (b/c it was at the same point in the game with them & Victoria remaining).
Then again, we also need to see this Kevin Martin chat– I’m wondering if he really did say some of the things Hal said he did b/c that also feels like it was too much game intel to share (although Hal is super intelligent so she could’ve made up parts of it to get a read from Kev or to help her position something she wanted to sell him on).
I’m also thinking TPTB could easily turn around this coming week & tailor the HOH/POV for Kev/Hal to win so Betty/Josh have to turn on each other – and they get more drama for the episodes.
Either way, I wish they would’ve stayed out of it. Betty was dumb enough to put up Jace which was the one player she should’ve kept safe given what she knew – that proved how poor a game player she was. I won’t shed tears if Jace leaves though. She has been impressive in winning POV’s when she absolutely had to beating her showmance in one & Marty in the recent one – (kudos) I don’t like the mean girl or messy game she plays but I do think keeping her is better for Hal.
And I REALLY hope Hal has a talk with Josh to get to the bottom of a few things. I want her to straight up ask him if he would keep her (or Kev) if he’s the POV holder & Betty is an option. She’ll see through it if he lies.
And to your point in the above post regarding Betty having more than ample receipts I couldn’t agree more. I love Betty’s giggle & certain aspects of her but she’s been one of the meanest girls in the house, especially toward Haleena. As you note she’ll call out Hal for something when it’s convenient but when she needs her vote, or advice or someone to vent to she’s all good with Hal.
Hello – the week after Hal was the FIRST ONE to tell her she’d keep her safe & Summer was looking for Betty to jump through hoops she was ready to bury Hal b/c of a chance to work with the showmance. She was the one outing things to Jace that put Hal in a poor light then turning around & being besties with her once she learned about the secret POV. It’s typical BB hamster hypocrisy.
Josh is beloved & always well placed & as you note – NEVER a good strategist. I think this week really shook him b/c he borders on arrogance quite often. Hal has been getting her hands dirty since the early stages of the game & bears the scars from the others judging her for playing her own game while the triple was the first time Josh had to act.
No one held his arm behind his back he CHOSE to work with the Dummies & I get it he had to pick a side but its sort of similar to the Gino gummy situation in that G is blaming Kev/Hal for getting evicted when HE had the choice to NOT do it (and if they kept him he was targeting them if he won). Josh I think is being petty only partially b/c of what Betty told him – the other part is how he handled that moment.
He knew he had to win – they’d discussed what needed to happen for weeks – but how does an intelligent guy not automatically say to Kev – let’s pull in Hal & Betty & talk it through to make it seem like this is a group decision. We tell her it’s better if she goes up to make it look like her/I aren’t that tight but also so she can keep Summer’s jury vote.
I mean come on the guy is a doctor – I came up with that pitch in my head in under a minute & I’m a damn sports writer.
As for the “I won’t be his friend” pettiness – he also was like that for a day with Betty afterward refusing to talk to her for a full day after blindsiding her – as if it was her fault he handled the situation poorly.
So – yeah he’s being petty but I’m not fully buying he’s out on Kevin or that he would evict him given the chance.
And while he’s in with Betty trashing Kevin & they are discussing ALL THE THINGS THE DR OUTED to Betty about Kev/Hal the funniest part of the equation is Betty is still going to learn he was part of the Dummies.
Which could mean a couple different things
On the last point — based on what Hermon/Moose have said & how Summer felt leaving the house I think they might come around to respecting Kevin for straight up saying he was going to play that way to their faces.
And of course, most of that ^^^ could be moot anyway b/c Josh first has to get through this week — then again stay next week b/c if Hal or Kev choose they might opt for Betty instead. And even if he makes it through the next two evictions to reach F3 doesn’t he have to win that final HOH to get to a F2 chair? Kev takes Hal who likewise takes him. If he’s there with Hal/Betty I think the ladies still take each other & if he’s there with Kev/Betty I’m not sure Kev would take him over Betty (that’s the only fully uncertain choice for me).
Kevin’s emotional state.
Opinion:
Why has Kevin been down and crying?
He’s realized that he doesn’t have control right now.
Chaos is great when you are the one creating the chaos.
OPTIONS:
He’s considered himself to beat Haleena in the final 2 if they got there. Now she’s won a second comp still hasn’t hit the block. Her story is getting better and his hasn’t changed. I think he’s realizing for him to have ANY chance she’s gotta go.
He is realizing that Betty and Josh are back together, but thinks he can mist Josh to cut Betty at final four… or at least keep himself safe to f3 (sorry Hal that means you leave).
He is realizing that Josh is better for him, but Jace is better for Hal. They’ve actually admitted it to one another.
Five people in the house gets boring with no chaos to create and nobody to play with.
His ability to snow Jace is less effective than Hal’s ability to bitchfest with Jace.
He’s been to D/R and he’s been a pouty shit ever since.
At the moment he’s guilted Hal into keeping Josh now (he was the one pushing to evict Josh earlier). Hal’s only negative about Jace is she’d rather any of the others get finals prize money than Jace.
Oh wait… now he thinks Josh has come clean and spilled the Dummies to Betty, and sworn final 2 to her…. he’s back to wanting Josh out.
Kevin’s going to Jozea this shit to death.
He’s chaos effecting… himself.
It’s still Sunday. Eviction isn’t until Thursday. This is going to be a lot of these two going back and forth.
They got an early goodnight. I’m done for the day. I don’t care. LOL.
This is going to be days of Kevin overthinking and overstrategizing because HE HAS NO CONTROL. If he knew HOW CLOSE he was to the block and eviction, he’d be kissing Haleena’s feet instead of internally planning her funeral. HE IS. Shush.
Can’t sleep yet.
Looked at end of night after goodnight call.
Josh talks to Haleena in red bedroom.
Hal tells Josh she’s cool with the four of them, she’s cool with the three. She says Josh is closer to Betty and Kevin, Betty is closer to Josh and Kevin, and she’s good with all three but they are better with each other she is starting to think which makes her the bottom o the four. She tells Josh she wants to save herself and get herself further in the game, but if she is going to be evicted by Josh she gets it , but please just tell her, don’t blindside her to save her the embarrassment. It’s a game and she knows it’s game.
Josh says he’s shown he can make the tough decisions, and he’s good. Josh is saying he’s down with the three (well… A three i think, but not necessarily THE three anymore).
She says from a personal standpoint Josh knows she’s been pushing for Betty and Josh to get their friendship back on track, they’re besties. That wasn’t game. But if the result becomes game, just be up front about it.
Josh tells Hal that she is NOT the bottom to him. He doesn’t say who is (at present, Kevin). He isn’t so much faking with Hal (he’s always been a little en garde with her), but he is slightly more wall up than usual. Better than his conversation this afternoon. That was a pitiful performance. Still, Hal has to be reading the difference. Of course she’s also got to be thinking Kevin is wrong about his control over Josh. Does she tell Kevin? Or does she take Josh at his word and Assume Betty is the bottom as Kevin contends (personally i REALLY doubt that Hal assumes with Josh. She hasn’t before).
Hal tells Josh Jace’s campaign to use veto. She doesn’t leave a lot out really, but she emphasizes the parts of the campaign that were sketchy as if it was Jace talking down to Haleena as a weak willed milquetoast afraid to make a move and have people pissed at her. They both laugh because they’ve already talked about how every week someone has been pissed at Haleena the snake and at the same time saying she does nothing in the game. Hal dropped a bit of her mask with Josh during that part of the conversation. Her voice changed. If anyone else noticed that… what was that? Her voice got less tentative and breathy and slightly deeper and deadpan at the end of that part of the exchange. It was only for about ten seconds, and I wasn’t looking at the screen so i actually had to ask myself who said THAT?
I concluded a while ago that Haleena’s intuition, reads and ability to understand social cues and dynamics has been the secret key to Kevin’s success. When he utilizes her takes on social dynamics, they prosper. When he goes rogue, he ends up going too far. His current cocky attitude regarding his control of Josh and Betty is all the evidence i’m pointing at to make my case conclusively. She cautioned him not to push get close but not too close, not to name targets, and not say anything that would screw him up once Betty and Josh reconciled. Kevin didn’t listen. What was the ONE thing Josh didn’t get past? Kevin telling Betty they should evict Josh (going back I think Betty suggested and Kevin added, but Betty isn’t going to say THAT). Meanwhile Haleena has been trying to help Betty and Josh repair their friendship because both Betty and Josh reason with a high emotional context. You know, just in case (even though she’s said she should stop helping them repair, it’s bad game).
I think Kevin has his work cut out for him in the next few days, but I don’t think he realizes it fully because every time Hal has questioned his grasp over Betty and Josh, he’s said he’s sure he has them, or will have them again easily.
BBCAN HINTERLAND WHOS WHO FUN FACTOID
In BBcan, the winner of final four HOH has gone on to be a finalist in all seasons Except Season 5. (Jillian, sabrina *finalist non winner, Sarah, Nick/Phil, demetries (*only non finalist break in pattern), Paras, Dane, Tychon).
The winner of BBcan has been the final four HOH SIX TIMES out of 8.
Since hiatus return after season 5… every final four HOH was also the final HOH of the season… and the Winner.
AN- we are ABSOLUTELY on the same page here. For as much as I enjoyed Kevin’s antics, chaos & strategy – what I enjoyed the most was when Hal/Kev were sussing things out together.
I’ve been on the Haleena train longer than most citing her as the better overall player and noting how it’s a shame she won’t likely get the credit. She’s BY FAR better than Josh. He’s great socially — while everyone loved Summer – Josh was her male counterpart in many ways but the Dummies gave him something fun to do & be involved in. He was the greatest benefactor of the CTD — UNTIL the triple which might’ve been worth his inclusion just to get the Ghosts to F5.
So a couple of things I’d add…
I’m NOT convinced Betty would take Josh to F2 if she had the choice & if Kevin got cut at F4 I’m also not convinced Josh would absolutely take Betty b/c he knows Summer will be her jury advocate selling to Hermon & Moose to go with Betty over Josh.
That’s not even a stretch based on the jury clips we’ve seen (they aren’t Josh fans). Consider if Haleena is his option she can manipulate him with how Marty said he would vote for Josh (male bias) unless he’s beside Betty b/c he views her as a mastermind that he could never get out of the house. Plus she shafted Gino, Marty & Jace and wasn’t close to Summer, Hermon, or Moose, or in their alliances.
While it seemed like the logical priority was Jace for Hal and Josh for Kevin especially since Josh has always been more forthcoming/closer to Kev this past week could have shifted things. There are scenarios that its short-lived pettiness from Josh toward Kevin, or it might be real & Josh wants to be the one to take out Kev, or he could be venting with Betty (one of that pair’s favorite past times has always been to sh*t talk the others in the house) but he’s really still all-in with the Dummies.
And even in the latter scenario, Josh could let one of the Dummies cut Betty (to have her in the jury to vote for him) and then win and pick Hal over Kev as his payback.
There’s also a scenario where Haleena wins F4 HOH & tells Josh how Betty initially was pitching F3 with Hal/Kev & her target was Josh plus pitched Jace/her a F3 as well. That might get Josh thinking – WAIT you’re all righteous about me choosing Kevin (Hal) over you by putting you OTB but you were doing the same thing to me (and worse actively targeting me?).
It’s a long shot but possible – & I still think something from the bitter Betty portion of this HOH & her gossipy attacks comes out at some point. The counterpoint to this is TPTB wants to propel Betty forward b/c she’s one of the most loved hamsters this season, especially her mean girl routine & outright unwarranted rudeness, particularly toward Haleena haven’t been seen by those casual (TV only) fans.
I’m also trying to grapple with how TPTB would sink Kevin’s game at F5 (and really F4) just for ratings. It’s pretty dark they would take away any shot for him to win $100k after the game he’s played & you have to believe he’s been a production dream b/c of his willingness to do anything they want/need so shafting him at this stage truly feels worse than any backstab the people he’s playing the game with could do to him.
Anyway- we’ll see. I’d still like to see the Ghosts reach F3 at worst so one makes F2 & my preference would be Haleena b/c I’m leaning in her direction as having played the better overall game. She was so often the glue for the Ghosts & Dummies and her intel was frequently what drove their choices. I keep thinking back to Gino’s first HOH when she went in and dumped a sh*t load of game intel to G. At that time G was still considering the Hermon/Moose/Josh scenario & much of what Hal dropped pushed G back toward the Marty side, got him on board to cut T and wanting to target Moose.
Finally, you noted the voice change of Hal. I’ve had this thought for a while now —it began b/c of a Kev/Hal discussion where he kept saying “I couldn’t do it – & I don’t know how you’ve been able to maintain it this long.”. Kev was referencing him playing dumb like he didn’t know the game but the inference was Hal was playing down her intelligence, her awkwardness, etc. Hal was saying “it is part of my personality but not a full part, & I’ve been doing it so much I wonder if it’ll take me a while to transition back. The inference was she is truly playing a character – via her actions, voice intonation, rapid speech, etc.
I might be way off but it’s part of why I want her to reach F2 b/c I have this vision of her speech being when she drops all pretense & speaks eloquently, methodically without that rapid pace, and even in a lower toned voice. And the jury member’s jaws drop.
If we think of her innate ability to read a room, see-through when people are lying, her ability to manipulate people to take the direction she prefers (for example no way Hermon goes up or Kev stays off the block during Marty’s HOH’s w/o Hal convincing him IMHO).
Anyway – we’ll see but for as much as I’ve enjoyed Kev I’d prefer to see Hal win beside any of Kev, Josh or Betty. And how cool would it be if that ^^^ theory proves correct with her hiding a major portion of herself all year so people weren’t threatened by her?
Haleena didn’t use POV & as feeds come back Kevin IMMEDIATELY takes Jace upstairs to chat ON THE BENCHES SITTING OUT IN THE OPEN. They’re just talking in general with some game & just as Jace begins to get into a bit of a pitch Josh shows up. Huh – I guess he was able to extract his head out of Betty’s behind especially once he saw Kev/Jace talking which of course was Kevin’s strategy for sitting there.
Ohhhhhhhh could Josh be ready to bury the petty side & make up with Kevin now that he realizes Jace won’t go down w/o a fight? To that end, Hal told Josh this morning how Jace wanted her to use the POV on her to make amends & they would vote out Josh.
Kevin had to have caught on to some of the Josh/Betty signs & him pulling away … this morning Kev made Jace/Josh breakfast & later Josh/Betty/Kevin were sitting at the kitchen table. Josh was OVERTLY acting, shooting dirty looks at Kevin the entire time b/c he was facing Betty & Kev was mostly looking in her direction (but I think Kev caught on).
Afterward, Kev/Josh went to the “?” bedroom, and Josh did a 180 “almost” interacting more closely to his normal way (but still being a bit standoffish — his tendency is to be petty when annoyed)
Again— I think Kev is catching on – but by the same token I think TPTB are dictating all of this & expects the Ghosts to jump through hoops they drop via their DR questions or intel dumps leading to 500 twists & turns before Thursday.
As Another Name notes – keeping Jace is akin to playing the lottery. She’ll kowtow to whoever wins the POV.
What I do believe is she would cut Betty after this week before the Ghosts b/c she put her on the block & will work HARD to get Jace evicted which means she has no intention of ever taking her F2 whereas Jace will buy Hal takes her over Kev if for no other reason than arrogance.
Josh is going to have to do some work & I’m not sure how clear that is to him yet – but the DR will force him to catch on (or well-planted comments from Hal/Kev on Jace’s pitches).
At a minimum he’s going to have to answer questions from Hal – telling him she’s heard he has (or people believe they have) F2’s with him to the point she’s heard he has them with everyone remaining except her & while she gets how things get spread/misinterpreted she would like to confirm Josh would keep her over Betty if he wins POV at F4.
With Kev it just seems logical the DR takes away & also gives so at some point they’ll be dropping some bombs to help fix the Kevin sabotage campaign they dropped on Betty. It could be directly at Josh (or Betty) but it feels inevitable there will be something coming that is the yin to the sabotage yang.
My gut says at some point they’ll be something dropped that leads to questioning if Betty is making sh*t up to get her own revenge on Josh/Kev for what happened at the triple and lead to either Josh wholly re-committing to the Dummies or being evicted bc of her actions.
Conversely, if Josh eventually gets around to downloading what Betty is saying about Kevin & Hal/Kev in an effort to ensure his safety look for the Ghosts to stick that in a glass case with a break in case of emergency — read: Betty wins POV (so they out Josh told them what she said as well as the existence of the Dummies alliance to show her he played her again and redirect the target at Josh. (just a guess)
I’m not one to buy jury clips.
They are sitting with their handlers being fed situational comments, JUST like d/r.
So, I don’t buy the jury deliberations/ ratings as their actual opinion, but something that makes it seem like the decision isn’t made and the board is open.
Never has that been more evident that giving Summer a 5 out of 5 in the Moose/Hermon ratings. No effing way in Hell are two Compscompscomps cult guys giving Summer a perfect game score, but cutting Betty and Haleena down to 2-3.5 range if they aren’t just giving the audience what they want to hear. Let’s remember Hermon’s stance on Summer for two weeks before he needed her vote: she does less for my game than Haleena, because at least Haleena tries.
I really think the purpose of the d/r gremlining was actually to even the board a little. I dislike it, but came around to what they were doing. Let’s admit, feeds were pretty boring for a while with Josh residing in the formerly known as expedia Josh room, Betty holed up in HOH, Jace sitting vigil on Gino’s bed…. throw in a d/r grenade before veto and watch the feeders salivate.
I think I’m more skeptical of Kevin and of Josh than you are. Sure, Kevin’s come to the only wins against Haleena place for now… but. That will change. Today is the FIRST time he didn’t vote count with Haleena as one of his winning votes.
And Josh? His heroic role model schtick is still a pet peeve.
Haleena? She doesn’t win with that jury. She’d have to win final 4 HOH, AND final 4 veto, and final 3 HOH, and still the jury would be saying yeah but what did you do for the other 60 days.
Meanwhile they’d look at Josh, and say wow buddy you came in second place in comps for most of the game, good show (you were one of us kool kidz not a floater read geek) even if he doesn’t win a comp for the rest of the game and makes it to final 2.
Kevin? They’ll talk about mastermind because he didn’t hide that he was a schemer. Betty? oh she is a survivor, and managed to save herself from eviction so much (she did NO such thing, the Ghosts preferred the other nominee for eviction). She went on to win comps (she’s tied with Haleena for comp wins but gets more credit because of hive menality since week one that Haleena is useless).
And Jace? Let’s say she stays. Gino is pushing the virtues of Jace to the boys. Summer is pushing the greatness of Betty to the boys. Marty votes Jace over Betty a million times.
Jace’s game has been a mix of hide and seek (hide behind the meat sack) and numbers. Jace will always want to be in the majority so she doesn’t have to do as much (this is what’s funny about Jace telling Hal to use the veto to get game respect… Jace didn’t use that secret veto). I actually do think she’d take Hal to final 2 because she’s well aware of who the jury are and what the jury think of her.
Feeds have been down for more than 3 hours. snore.
Gee, maybe the d/r decided to play the creation of the dummies clip from the episode just for Betty’s benefit. I kid. Not so much.
MONDAY VETO CEREMONY
Haleena did not use veto.
Post ceremony:
looks like Kevin and Haleena are back to evicting Jace.
Kevin says he’s sure this time, so they should lock in with Josh to show no hesitation.
Keep in mind, Kevin was sure they had to keep Jace, and told Hal to smooth things with Jace, and then changed his mind right after she did.
Just saying.
Unless I missed a conversation:
For the first time in a long time, Haleena hasn’t revealed a conversation to Kevin.
That end of night talk with Josh.
She didn’t tell Kevin about it. She told Kevin that Josh wanted to have a conversation alone with her (after the veto ceremony), and said she wanted to hear Josh’s pitch because the two of them never have one on one game conversations. After the conversation is when Kevin and Haleena will tell Josh that they are of course keeping him, it was never a doubt….. well, or Kevin will flip flop again after Haleena has said that, to amplify just how wishy washy she is. That’s not his stated reason, he’s just chaos braining himself, but that’s the unintentional effect.
She revealed the Betty conversation in parts (Kevin is a much better player than any of us actually realized, he’s been gaming since the moment he entered the doors and he’s a genius or a teacher or something).
Last night when he talked to Jace, he said he was convinced everyone would take him to final 2. I have no idea why someone would SAY that.
Kevin floated the idea that it’s possible Josh could throw final 4 hoh.
We all laugh.
Josh would be much more likely to go for HOH and throw veto so that he doesn’t have to make any decision. A middle player? That’s the biggest declaration of the game even if by proxy.
Given Josh’s pathology: would he throw another comp? I’m not immediately saying no.
Kevin also thinks it’s possible Josh cuts him at 3 (but laughs it off).
Yes, we all know currently Josh would cut him at 4, Kevin doesn’t.
Given the factoids about final 4 as i laid them out yesterday: If they follow 6-9 pattern, Betty cannot win BBCan 10 because she isn’t eligible to play in final 4 HOH, and the Final 4 HOH winner has won the game each of the three full seasons.
Yeah – I’m wondering if Hal not telling Kevin “everything” anymore is a combination of things Betty/Jace/Josh have said to her but more so probably something Kevin Martin said to her.
The one thing that ‘might’ help Hal with jury is I’m pretty sure she is telling them in her GBM’s about the Dummies (not sure about the Ghosts). And if Betty gets cut at F4 she will have some game intel plus Josh has repeatedly told her how smart Hal is & how much more involved she was than people know.
IF – either Josh or Kev get cut at F4 – in either case I think they advocate for Hal over the other Dummie. I wouldn’t have thought that about Josh a week ago but do now even if him & Kev makeup fully.
I’m also not fully buying what Josh is saying to Betty about Kev. I think you were on the money it’s just his typical game play of running back to the middle & making sure he’s protected by all.
MONDAY EPISODE: CLEAN UP ON AISLE 5
preamble:
Houseguests saw relatives behind plexiglass with a five minute monitored phone chat…. so it was visting day at the BB Penitentiary?
Kevin told Jace a split vote would be fun, putting the pressure on Betty.
Jace not happy with that thought.
Jace talks to Haleena who backtracks on her vote promise saying she isn’t going to be the stand alone on a split vote going into final 4, so Jace has to work on Kevin.
That’s the poop.
Released advance clip is Jace trying to convince Josh to keep both Summer and Betty and get rid of Haleena. if you’re watching Jace’s campaign… you know why this becomes something to point at and say mmmkay.
RECAP... it’s gonna be HALF recap, isn’t it?
RED GUMMY AFFAIR. Kevin is a sneaky sneak edit.
Triple story… house saving betty.
Shred that letter comp with Ika preview
Kevin is getting the d/r recap now too.
Commercial break recap of Jace reaction to Ginoviction. ED. When you spend 50-odd days only fostering one friendship…. oops.
Marty is pissy in the bathroom.
Haleena more success for the Ghosts.
Jace is mad… at Marty.
Josh vs. Jace final question again. JOSH WINS HOH
Betty is screaming in celebration.
Now he’s making enemies. He knows Summer’s nom won’t be pretty.
Commercial break recap two
Josh talks to Betty then Summer saying she is staying because everyone likes her.
Betty Summer bathroom talk. No clue why this happened.
Haleena talks to Josh. Reassurance talk.
Betty trusts Josh. Summer comes in. DURING Josh’s Campaigning to stay, she asked him if he’d nominate her. WAS HE GOING TO SAY YES TO PETTYPRINCESS WHILE HE”S ON THE BLOCK????????????? This was my thought at that moment in the Triple episode.
Summer yells at Betty. NOWHERE NEAR what the retells say she did… teleporting from room to room to yell at people.
Jace is picking at Haleena now. Kevin… oh Kevin you’re fine. Haleena ur vile. UH-Gain the retells are more vivid than the edit.
Jace wins veto
Commercial Break Recap three
Jace promises her vote to Summer.
Josh walks into pantry saying Keep Betty to the Ghosts.
Betty enters, they celebrate.
Betty learns she’s goin on the block. He swears she’s staying. Josh is stress eating. Summer is playing all sides talk… Betty deer in headlights. Panic ensues.
Betty runs to the Ghosts. They promise to save Betty.
Betty runs to Jace who doesn’t know what the hell is going on she was sure Hal was going up and she’d send her out.
Jace isn’t committal. She wants to talk to Josh.
Here’s the advance tv clip. why Betty? We’ll be final 4 against Kevin or Haleena.
Josh wants Summer gone more.
Commercial Break Recap four
Summer and Betty talk to Kevin and Josh in Expedia.
Summer is hurt. She wants him to renom Hal or Kevin still.
Summer leaves. Betty doesn’t get it.
Betty stays.
Commercial Break Recap five
Betty with the Ghosts. ARE YOU THREE TOGETHER?
Kevin d/r she’s not dumb she has to realize, but let’s see if denial works.
Hal says she was SURE she was going up. (actually true until Josh walked in saying Save Betty).
Hal d/r Josh thanks for saving us, but you may have screwed yourself.
Betty appreciates them saving her.
Josh thinks he’s Canada’s most Hated… well he’s still hated by those Summer stans FOR SURE fershuure.
HOH SHRED THAT LETTER
Ika with flashback to Season 2.
Ika Roasts the houseguests. not shown: Kevin and Haleena roasts.
q1: moose. jace wrong.
q2: jess: jace and kevin wrong. betty hal both 2 points.
q3: tynesha: everyone correct. betty hal both 3 points.
q4: steph: kevin haleena wrong. betty 4 points.
q5: kyle: haleena, betty, jace wrong. betty4 points, kev hal 3, jace 2 points.
q6 Hermon: Haleena wrong. Betty 5 points, Kev 4, hal and jace 3.
BETTY WINS HOH
Betty d/r : Heart not strategic thinking, time to play strategically…. and her noms are based on heart.
Betty mad at Josh.
Jace d/r wants to create a relationship with Betty I in week 9………. derp).
Kevin gets permission to speak to anyone even Josh.
Josh gets in his feels and gets petty because Betty is being petty.
AWARDS SHOW VOTING STARTS AFTER EPISODE... If you give 2 shits. I SERIOUSLY COULD NOT CARE LESS. I mean… I’d vote for karen throwing up by the hot tub in season 5 or even Liv tossing her cookies into the sink in the middle of an HOH comp in Season 6 before I’d watch a most romantic moment showmantic montage.
Who wants to see her HOH room. whatevs.
Kevin to Wendy’s.
Are Kev and Josh working together??? Tychon’s advice: be selfish now.
Kevin is working with Josh he says, but he’d evict Josh, Jace is also a big target.
Betty isn’t trusting insulated Kevin d/r. in her pre veto Saturday pm clothes. sideye. mmhmmm.
Cliffhanger for NOMS.
That last Betty DR clip so clearly happened after her noms & it’s weird they even put it in there b/c he’s not on the block.
It makes her look like an idiot to say I’m on to you – coming for you & then she puts up Josh/Jace & they also show her saying “F2?” to Kev.
I looked at the season awards moments.
Over half of them are for past seasons with only 2 choices. AND most of those choices aren’t the most iconic choices they could have picked.
You can’t skip a question, so if you really don’t give a toss who had the best kiss in season 3 or 7…. you can’t skip it and have to pick. Where is the none of the above option???
As far as the ones for this season….
boilerplate and not incredibly exciting to be honest.
i cancelled before last option because while I want to see what they consider memorable or award worthy… i don’t actually care enough to truly participate.
What i can tell you? They are pushing the week 5 noms in head to head for an award more than once. Invisileena. Betty gets her moment.
MY awards would have been:
biggest nominations oops:
EVERY SINGLE HOH THAT NOMINATED AN ALLY… winner a red gummibear.
who kissed hermon better? Summer or Steph… winner a clip of gino and hermon wrestling in their underwear because WHO GIVES A SHIT ABOUT SHOWMANCE CRAP.
Biggest production manipulations moment?
a) Marty decides his renoms in a d/r call.
b)Betty’s d/r gremlining Kevin exposed.
The season feedbuster:
a) Jess post veto ceremony outages b) Marty HOH outages c)early game Kyle refuses to heed production outages. d) Jay’s monkey noise 14 hour feed outage.
The late to the game award:
a) Ghost reveal in week 4/5, made day 3 and called the Jess and Kevin final 2 in edit until week 4/5.
b) the True few / fuse alliance made week 2…. it still doesn’t exist in the edit in week 9 as part of the plotline that made evicting Tynesha to weaken Hermon make sense.
9pm bbt
the red door is at 80 hours.
That means it reaches zero at about 5-6 am on Friday.
FACTOID:
Final four HOH is traditionally a trivia about past comps / hg’s comp. It’s not so much about days, as it is about who participated, and name of the comp type stuff. Multiple choice or name the comp or the houseguest that partiipated.
Final four veto is traditionally a physical comp, usually individually timed, that involves knowledge of events.
If I were a houseguest, I think I’d rather face Betty in that veto than Josh or Jace. But between Josh and Jace… I’d rather face Josh.
One reason: both are fast, both have more knowledge than Betty when it comes to events.
Here’s the thing: Jace is more clutch. Josh is MORE likely to cave than Jace. Especially if you don’t allow him to stress eat (no really the guy should be at least 40 lbs bigger by now he eats constantly under stress). If I want to win out for myself… Jace is more dangerous.
I’m still looking at the blindfolded veto and wondering how the visual learner klutz wiped the floor with the rest of them (according to Betty).
Anyone else look at Haleena’s shirt earlier today? That was an awful lot of cleavage. I’m not being judgy. I’m just a little shocked, I mean, that was Risha level cleavage (and yeah, i’m aware Risha didn’t bring a top for her bikini that season). She got a couple Canada is watchings for outfit malfunctions.
Me Bored and Jozeaing Scenarios:
Red door opens, and Season 8 Carol comes out talking about how she still needs to be voted out so she can get her stipend, she can’t quit.
Red door opens: It’s Season 1 Topaz there to give voting advice.
Red door opens: and it’s the 2 that didn’t get voted in from the secret room in season 2. They want to know if they can finally go home.
Red door opens and it’s Pilar, and she has no idea why she’s there or what she’s doing. Neither does anyone else. Benny Hill theme plays as they chase her around trying to get her to leave.
The red door opens, and each houseguest gets to send a one minute message to jury, but they can only say why the other three DON’T Deserve the vote.
The red door opens and it’s the Kyles. All of the Kyles. Season 2 Kyle and everyone scratches their head and says who?, Season 8 Kyle in a Hanibal Lecter mask, Season 9 Kyle holding up a picture of season 10 Kyle from his big brother witness relocation program destination… where he now goes by the name Bob.
Red door opens and it’s Kaela and Brittnee armed with baseball bats for this season’s houseguests whining about a total of what…8 days on slop when each of them spent over 35 days as havenots sleeping on the floor and eating slop.
The red door opens, and it’s a jobfair for Wendy’s.
The red door opens, and it’s Gino sitting on the toilet listening to the final four talk as the chosen jury spy. He doesn’t bother to close the door and tells them to keep talking.
The red door opens to a tsunami of red gummibears burying the final four up to their necks… first one to find the lone yellow gummibear wins every item on the shopper’s showcase wall.
I saw a question on social media. It’s a thinly veiled stan support question.
Which would be the better argument to Jury.
a) never being nominated
b) being nominated multiple times and surviving eviction.
My answer: depends on if you were never nominated due to your social prowess or just not being worth the effort. Also depends on if you survived multiple nominations because of your campaigning / game or because of someone else’s game designs.
I mean… the people answering B would then say… Sabrina should have beat Jon in final 2? Come on.. she survived the block 6 times after a Canada vote exposed her alliance and tanked her game so she should have won? By an answer b logic, I guess so. Or hey, let’s go to extremes… So Victoria would have beaten Sgt. Porkchop in bb16 if they’d been final 2? That’s what B says. Or let’s get more recent… So Breydon should have won over Tychon? Actually… I’m the only one likely but I often think Breydon should have won over Tychon.
Potential Juror Management:
Hal has spent a couple of hours with Jace, looking at clothes etc. It’s basic bitch time in the blue bedroom.
Tonight it looked to me like Hal was somewhat trying to expose SOME of her game to Jace in an attempt to jury manage. She revealed some of her early alliances (True few/fuse leaving out Betty and Josh as members, nothing about Dummies). Early unknown alliance Sundaes or cupcakes was Hal, Steph, Jace. Rugrats was Summer, Ty, Hal, Jess (never went anywhere), Chef’s Kiss Hal and Jess (it was real but ended early). Jace reveals that Kyle and Marty wanted to pull Haleena into an alliance called the Bargain Bin (with Jace, Gino, Kevin and maybe Jess). Hal reveals she felt like Marty and Summer were closer to Kevin than they were with her. Jace reveals that Marty will 100% vote male before female winner. Jace would almost prefer to be evicted this week so she at least gets jury house time (4th place is SOMEtimes sequestered except for the round table filming). Jace said Haleena always trying in comps and never throwing impressed GIno more than the throwers. Jace is thinking Betty/Kevin/Josh are a three and Betty and Josh would stab each other in the back to take Kevin to final 2 so Hal has to win fin4 HOH or she’s done. There’s nothing in this convo that’s weaponizing I don’t think. It was all on the premise that Kevin is bonding too close to Betty to turn around and Save Jace. This is Jace’s stance right now.
Kevin, Betty and Josh SHOULD be trying to do this. WHY isn’t Kevin doing this? Finessing a potential juror is BB101.
OTHERWISE THE HOUSE CHATS:
Josh thinks Betty gets to play in final 4 hoh. NOPE. If that’s a thing every other final 5 HOH is going to go OFF!
chatting and bonding. Kev/Josh/Betty. They rehash Jay. Rehash Marty. They talk about what would have happened if Betty had won the wall. They are downplaying Marty’s knowledge of days/events. He knew them SHUT UP, he KNEW THEM. Hal/Jace join. Chat nothing major. Lots of pre-bed chat.
Interior backyard:
Chat. Kevin at pool table studying to himself. Everyone else chatting. back to kitchen.
JOSH IS STILLLLL EATING. NO seriously, does he have a second stomach? More chat before bed call.
feed cut.
Dummies pre sleep download:
Hal reveals the Jace chat to the Dummies so that Josh doesn’t get spooked. Josh says Dummies is the only alliance that matters now. Kevin is offended that Jace is acting defeated when he hasn’t even talked to her. Josh raises an eyebrow but it’s not a huge suspect nod The Dummeis discuss the need for them to win veto. Hal says she is winning HOH. Kevin disputes. Josh plays along.
Kevin leaves to go to bed. Hal and Josh bonding time before bed night 2. Josh still thinks the f5 HOH plays f4HOH comp… now he’s realized nope. He’s wrong about season 9 final 4 HOH comp being a crapshoot it was the Lotto room trivia comp i think. Tonight’s bonding time is shorter than last night’s bonding time.
QUESTION: don’t they usually close one of the bedrooms by now? I was sure they closed one of the bedrooms at final 6 for a couple of seasons. Did I imagine?
END MONDAY.
I’m sure you won’t be surprised but I also thought Breydon should have won over Tychon. He had a much harder path to reach F2 and was better overall social player. Plus I’m the negative Nancy on hamsters who are in copious alliances & protected late into seasons simply b/c they’re an alpha male (and/or b/c they’re the female in a showmance).
My big point was always penalty points: because of the team thing and wins by people other than himself in teams, he had three or four weeks of safety, Breydon didn’t. Means he could play for three weeks with 100% reward, 0% risk. In my jury tabulation, that would have been a huge strike.
IF…
If the d/r hadn’t exposed Kevin, and Betty had not told Josh, does anyone think middle loving Josh would have actually throwm final four so that he didn’t have to be the one to cut anyone?
Or would he have felt less compelled to try, thereby giving everyone else an edge?
Serious Question.
WAFFLE WATCH:
nothing to report. Evicting Jace is still where they sit Tuesday am.
Morning Goings On:
Apparently the fake final 3 Between Ghosts and Betty is called “Group 3”. They were all in the third group to enter the house and there’s 3 of them.
Kevin practices days.
Kevin talks about hoping he isn’t a dark nasty villain but a fun villain.
Haleena talks about sleeping poorly worrying about lots of game stuff.
Kevin worries that at some point Josh and Betty are going to compare final 3 deals.
He is convinced Betty is ready to cut Josh. (Hal was silent on that).
Betty joins to show them the hand sign she has come up with for their final 3. now it’s “First 3”
Hal tells Betty about Jace’s campiagn (Kevin has been called to d/r).
Hal tells Betty about the alliances she has been part of during the game (minus the dummies / ghost). she says the alliance with Jess is the only reason that stopped Jess from renomming Hal week 4.
Kevin rejoins. Betty is saying she wasn’t part of any alliances. Then mentions Siblings and Kevin brings up the Rebel Rejects. Hal is called to d/r.
Kevin begins his schpiel for Betty to be Business B about cutting Josh at 4 or 3.
Kevin is pushing the cut Josh narrative a little much for my taste given that it’s Betty. I think the or cut him at 3 part was also telling. He was buttering up their secret (fakish) final 2 by offering up that both Hal and Josh have to go? Kevin made too many drops in this convo for me (not that i’m counting jury votes, i can probably only win v. Haleena so it’s better to take me Jace has advocates in jury i 100% will evict Josh type stuff). So much that could be weaponized.
How Kevin comes to the conclusion that Betty and Josh, who are glued to each other about 9 hours a day, haven’t reconciled is beyond me.
Jace joins Kevin and Betty.
Jace and Betty talk about how it makes sense that Kev and Hal are looking to vote the same (not put pressure on Betty, not draw line in the sand with a split vote).
Tuesday
Kevin has told Josh and Haleena he may expose to Jace. The pairs dynamic at least.
I don’t think Josh liked it. Haleena said she didn’t care, but I think she cared a little.
Kevin has finally talked to Jace.
Potential Juror Management:
Kevin tells her he can’t vote for her. She says it’s a mistake, Josh will win. Kevin inhales sharply and blows the biggest jet of smoke up her ass that he is capable of.
He tells her he loses unanimously to her in final 2. He says not only does she have all of the jurors as her friends, but she’s played an incredible game that he can’t match.
She can’t be mad if she’s so flattered.
Jace is telling Kevin she’d take him to final 2 because she thinks she’d lose to Haleena (okay, she’s butttering him up now). Haleena lied to her for the entire game. (ed. they lied to each other the entire game but i get why she only sees 1/2 the picture). and yes, because she’d beat Kevin final 2.
SO Jace is going to be farting smoke for a day, and Kevin is going to be sliding from room to room coated in butter.
Q: Do you actually believe it when Kevin tells people that he believes Jace is a master of emotional manipulation? If yes, can you explain it to me… I don’t get it.
Will Kevin waffle again?
Jace says the Betty and Josh fight might have been staged. They are for sure back to the way they were before and Betty is for sure counting on Josh to stay.
She isn’t persuasive as much as she is feeding into Kevin’s paranoia with what if scenarios.
In order to buy these scenarios, he has to believe that Haleena lies to him… but it’s Kevin so who knows.
He KNOWS over half the scenarios Jace is pulling never happened (he was there, Jace wasn’t).
REALITY:
The speech Jace is feeding Kevin without any face crack is why she should be evicted. before a final two seat. She still has jury advocates, and she’d give a better speech than Josh. While I don’t buy her persuasion, others seem to.
RESULT:
Kevin wants Jace to talk to Haleena again. He says he’s playing the game with no emotions.
Is he waffling again? scenarios fired up the waffle maker?
FIRE UP THE WAFFLE MAKER.
Kevin now thinks he can’t beat Josh. Kevin gets called to the D/R.
Kevin thinks he loses to Haleena now, and Kevin thinks he can beat Jace.
Basics of Kevin’s most recent flip:
Is he correct? No, he just likes the idea that everyone is saying final 2 to him.
No way Josh POSITIVELY advocates FOR Kevin if he’s voted out.
But again… mr. took hostage negotiation classes seems to miss the emotional effect. He also seems to think the juror’s minds stay in a vacuum from where their minds were in the game. Josh goes into jury advocating for Betty. THIS is what Kevin misses because he doesn’t account for emotional response. Josh puts the WORST spin on what Kevin and Hal did at this point.
The points Kevin misses:
How does he think Jace no longer has Gino advocating for her?
How does he think he beats Jace in comps getting to finals? Her placement in all mental comps except shred that letter has been equal or better than his, and she wipes the floor with him in physical.
I still don’t understand how Jace is able to effect Kevin the way she does. Is it ego stroking? Does having his paranoia validated while being told how wonderful he is come across as genuine to him? Good for Jace if it does.
It’s Tuesday. Waffles will continue. It’s Kevin. He’s going to chaos effect his brain at least 4 more times.
We’ve switched roles. Now Kevin is advocating for Jace, and Hal is advocating for Josh. Hal is telling Kevin her read from Betty’s reaction, which is the correct read. Kevin is again dismissing, just like the advice Hal gave regarding his interractions with Betty while she was fighting with Josh.
He’s taking everyone’s words at face value while he lies to them, and doesn’t think they could be lying to him. See the problem?
TBH, since Kevin exposed D/Rgremlin party, it IS actually better for Kevin to evict Josh. It’s the way he’s coming to his correct conclusion through faulty logic that i’m slightly sneering about.
POINT COUNTERPOINT:
Josh is having a difficult time being himself with Kevin. He’s actually pissed and petty about it. Josh is taking advice from about how to handle Kevin. Josh believes Kevin is turning on him. The advice isn’t the best (just being honest here).
Josh will not be advocating on behalf of Kevin if Kevin turns on him.
Josh trusts Hal more, but is still worried that Kevin is going to manipulate Haleena into voting him out.
Betty says she’s been avoiding Josh so that Kevin doesn’t get paranoid…. they’ve been attached at the hip for about 9 hours a day and THAT’S aversion??????
Meanwhile,
Kevin Hal and Jace have been having a q/a session campaign. Jace has lied a bunch of times, and been caught in at least one lie (the ceasfire with Betty / Josh didn’t exist then it did). Kevin leaves it to Haleena to badcop. Haleena isn’t badcop, but she is asking about how the three can trust each other, and Jace’s comp history compared to Josh. Jace is rolling every bus she’s ever been on over Betty. She says some jury members will be predisposed to vote Betty to win (she means the POC vote Betty no matter what, it’s an old Gino talking point from last week).
The object of making Haleena badcop is to make Jace want to take Kevin to final 2 over Haleena if they keep her. Incredibly obvious. It’s even how Jace is making fun of Haleena to her face describing her mental monologue. (THAT is the number one way to lose Haleena, she really does get in her feels about condescension).
This pitch is actually really condescending on Jace’s end. Kevin calls it the best pitch of the season. (He REALLY wants EV-ER-EEE-ONE to promise him FINAL 2 so that he is safe if he loses every comp…and right now Betty/Josh means he isn’t CLEAR number ONE. It’s not bad theoretically, it’s bad in terms of emotional jury management).
Checking body language: Jace was turned away from Hal and making the shared campaign centred on Kevin. She faced him 90% of the time, even when Hal was asking questions. Kevin ate it up like an attentionwhore… Haleena seemed to stiffen.
REALITY: See how this waffling is actually COSTING each of Kevin and Haleena jury votes? Waffle all you want. But don’t let the nominees suspect you are waffling. THAT’S the thing. Josh in jury has little sway given last week’s events. Jace will be able to hold court with Gino.
POST FEED CUT (theere’s been LOTS of feed cuts and d/r calls surrounding this Jace pitch, LOTS).
Kevin says keep Jace. at least until tomorrow morning. At least he admits.
Hal says head Jace, heart Josh. Loyalty would be a nice change of pace.
Kevin wants to keep Betty in the dark. Hal isn’t thinking that’s a good plan.
Kevin says the loyalty aspect in their villain game is he HAS to have the one person he never turns on (he thought of cutting Hal to final 2 with Jace or Betty earlier today). He tells her he needs to put herself first, and Jace is better for Her (the fact that he is advocating Jace is better for her should be telling her she isn’t anymore… given they both say Jace was straight up insulting Haleena during most of the pitch).
Kevin goes hard on evict Josh.
Haleena is somewhat pushback, somewhat emoting. (she’s partially knowing this is NOT the first time Kevin has gone all in on this decison and then changed his mind).
Keivn isn’t liking the heart thing. He’s: be cuttthroat (he’s channelling Christian Slater in Heather’s).
Kevin is even saying (pretty much) that he’d call Josh into the room and tell him he’s going home. He backtracks that a bit.
Josh saw Jace leaving the room with them. Josh has said a million times to Hal that if the vote changes don’t blindside him. Kevin now wants to blindside him.
Kevin leaves for bathroom.
Hal called to D/R.
Kevin and Haleena re-meet. he apologizes for changing his mind 5 times since Sunday, and being 100% each time until he changed his mind again, he’s realized this isn’t an easy decision.
In other words, he’s going to soft cell at her now, change his mind in the morning, and wash rinse repeat. Hal’s face says she’s getting tired of the teacup ride through Kevin’s internally inflicted Chaos effect.
Night three of Hal and Josh bonding time is going to be key if Josh wants to stay. It’s the only time the two of them chat for a few minutes without Kevin.
Josh reveals HONEYBUNCH to Betty. (this backstories to Betty why Summer always gave Gino a benefit of the doubt say 2 votes are better than one abou them, and Josh as well… if Betty is thinking she thinks she was a fool when it comes to Summer’s alliancing being everywhere) Betty thinks Kevin is the new Summer when it comes to making separate deals with everyone. *keep in mind, Josh had 7 or more final 2 deals. Kevin currently has four final 2 type things in final 5. Josh has 2 final 2 type things as he speaks. Betty has multiple final 2 talks this week, and has talked about 4 different final threes. Ummmm. Josh says his social game isn’t social game… it’s just his vibe. damn. the only thing i actually score him high on.. and he doesn’t take game credit for it. Yeesh.
Josh and Betty now like Haleena more than Kevin. And my head just leaked brain matter… I mean, Betty has knocked Hal as a human almost as much as Jace has. This is wildly absurd. Josh, who has lied by omission ten million times… is talking about how playing the game with liars is so morally disgusting. Remind me… did Josh mind the lying when it was saving his ass MULTIPLE times???? oh, right, nope. It’s that role model with a little blood spatter identity that I’ve actually decided I hate. I know hate is a strong word. I actually do hate that aspect of his personality. It lacks ownership to the extreme. When the sanctimony level between Josh and Betty gets to this level i usually switch a feed and go back later.
They are unpacking the season in the Betty friendly version. Ty and Summer were making deals without Josh, so his trust level dropped. the chain of safety ruined Hermon’s game??? the HELL it did. The ghost alliance ruined Hermon’s game. He was too intractable about comp winning and guys alliance, and would underestimate too many people even when he was working with them. They both like Hermon.
Jess was after Ty and Summer so that’s why Josh couldn’t work with Jess. Reality, Jess needed attention and devotion and was too far from the middle for Josh to actually work with. Imagine trying to play a middle game while hanging out with the house Boo Radley.
Kevin has been soft selling to Haleena while Betty and Josh survey history. She’s now on board with Kevin’s current plan to cut Josh. When he flips again… she’s probably going to throw up her hands. He will flip at least 2 more times.
Kevin is convinced Betty and Jace both take them (him) to final 3.
He realizes he may change his mind again. OOOKAY. At this point he’s just bored, and flip flopping to entertain himself. No really. If he’s aknowledging that ALL of this crap will likely change again… he’s just doing it for the boredom. THIS is what d/r wants, and undecided final 5 vote to keep people wondering will they / won’t they?
I’m going to sleep early, and will likely miss a chunk of the early day tomorrow.
Expect at least 2 changes in the boredom factory.
About to turn off feeds and crash because they weren’t going to talk to Betty until tomorrow.
KEVIN TALKS TO BETTY TONIGHT (FUKAKTA SPINHEAD CHAOS MONKEY COME ON..)
Kevin tells Betty he thinks getting rid of Josh is the way to go now.
He says he hasn’t talked to Haleena about this, but that Jace gave him a good pitch.
He says Josh cuts him and Haleena over Betty 100%.
Betty says Josh already nominated her once so she doubts that, and Kevin already sold Betty on Jace having jury advocacy for 2 weeks ala Gino.
Betty plays it off that in her head it’s irrelevant which one leaves.
Betty says she’d like to talk to Haleena about this too, since Hal wasn’t in on the decision as Kevin said.
JOSH JOINS BACK FROM D/R
game convo stops. Kevin discusses not liking the comp aspect liking the social dog eat dog.
Betty called to d/r
JOSH CALLLED TO D/R AGAIN (REALLY)
Betty rejoins from d/r
Haleena joins (oh, how convenient)
Basically you’ve got Kevin acting like Haleena knows nothing about this, and Betty is pushing back subtly on the idea of getting rid of Josh.
Kevin says Josh cuts Betty or Hal more likely than him. Betty counters with Jace wins comps and she’d cut ANYBODY. Kevin is threatened by Josh’s intelligence.
(Reminder, after the mom visit, Haleena has been more conscious of he be a good person talk she gives herself. She thinks keeping Josh is the good person move. She said it alone in a room a little bit ago, she’s also weighed the final 2 that Jace offered her).
Betty’s points about Jace’s wins in comps and unpredictability might have Kev and Hal re-waffle tomorrow. Pointing out that when Jace wins she wins by a lot… moreso.
Betty really needs to get Josh to work Haleena with the whole Jace wanted YOU gone in triple. Not you and Kevin, YOU. Also need to get him to push loyalty and goodness aspect. Gawd use that Sanctimonious Betty / Josh idetity i hate with Haleena if you want to stay Josh.
Kevin tells Betty he’s sorry for springing this on her. Betty says it’s good to think about all the options. Kevin says either going is a win for them.
Kevin doesn’t understand something: Business B isn’t all head no heart. Business B is Betty giving herself permission to be a bitch without feeling bad about it. If kevin could read people like Haleena, he’d have already figured this out.
For her part, Haleena seemed to be acting like this was brand new information. Alone with Betty, Kevin lies and says Jace hasn’t promised him any safety or any deals.
Business B tells Kevin that Josh choked in Redlight Greenlight and gave up, giving Marty the win. Kevin acts shocked (he sort of questioned Josh about that comp). She also tells Kevin that Jace 100% takes Hal to final 2 (easiest path). Some of this has hit. Or at least some of this will fester over night. But… since he believes nobody has the skill to lie to him, he still thinks his f2 with Betty and his f2 with Jace stand.
Meanwhile Jace is with Haleena discussing botox and genetically designing your children and laser eye color change.. grimace. They discussed Jace regretting being insulting to Hal in her pitch, she was just emotionally suprised to hear that Hal likes both Jace and Josh as people. So Haleena is back to trying to smooth Jace… and that means Kevin will pull another waffle tomorrow at some point.
Betty storage room with Hal:
what’s up with kevin being so jittery, off and sketchy for 2 days?
Haleena doesn’t get what’s going on. She admits her heart belongs to Josh staying but isn’t sure if that’s a brain move or just her emotions. Betty says Kevin thinks Josh wins the next 3 comps. Jace could too. Haleena agrees. Betty just wants to know the reasoning behind the decision because she’s good with the decision, but doesn’t just want it to be Kevin calling the shots (which along with boredom is exactly why Kevin is doing all this).
Haleena says if the decision is Jace, she is still team Betty. Betty questions if Kevin is still team Betty and Haleena or if he is now Team Jace.
Haleena goes to Kevin and gives him her read: Betty hates keeping Jace. Period.
Kevin thinks Betty not jumping on board and having counter arguments means that Josh has to go. He wants to send HALEENA to Betty to break the bad news tomorrow. NOT THEY. HER.
Betty is very upset. She’s decided Kevin is a monster.
Josh…. probably eating something. Meh, he’ll find out tomorrow. and will eat everything in the fridge instead of actually saying anything because he’s never had to REALLY fight to stay when 2 other people were pulling strings behind the scenes to keep him.
WHILE IT MAY SEEM LIKE I HAVE A PREFERENCE: I really really DON’T. Jace is putting in the work to stay and Josh is playing pattycake while on the block and Homer Simpsoning to himself now… Cake? drooling sound effect. Betty is working more for Josh than Josh is. Haleena is working more for Ghosts than herself. Kevin is working more for the cheque than anything or anyone. Too bad he’s going to be the BB18/19 Paul in a final 2 i think.
DO you think Betty is FINALLY cluing in to why SO MANY of the HOH Reigns were a clusterfuq? Because Kevin and Haleena rope a doped HOH after HOH remon? A thought.
Remember. It’s Tuesday. As soon as Kevin gets Hal to give the bad news to Betty, he’s GOING to spiral and waffle AGAIN.
Wednesday Thought:
Feeds down for over 2 hours now.
If they voted right now Kevin is 100% vote out Josh.
Hal is 50% vote out Josh (she’ll do it, but she’s not set).
Betty is not pleased.
Josh knows nothing.
Given the d/rgremlining and Betty exposing to Josh, it’s actually in Kevin’s best interest to get out Josh.
Given the same fact it’s actually better for Hal to keep Josh.
Hal is playing the game as best for Ghosts.
Kevin is playing the game as best for Kevin IS what’s best for Ghosts.
My laugh today: Kevin being convinced a competitive figure skater would cave under pressure. He’s just lying to himself. There’s no evidence in the game that Jace caves.
If anything, she has shown that when she is in the most danger, she wins.
So reality check: Kevin has decided he would rather have Jace winning comps to keep him safe and to use as a shield at 4. Kevin is using feminine showmance strategy. So in that event: Jace is now the Gino, and Kevin is now the Jace.
At least that’s what he’s hoping for.
My brain is fighting the edit. Ever since they changed the edit pattern, not answering the big 4 questions in week one’s edit, i’ve been having doubt.
I see what the edit is doing, but my head is fighting it. Mostly because it doesn’t fit the season 3-9 established pattern. They’ve changed the pattern. I am part happy, and part aggravated.
Back this evening. feeds are still down, and I have things to do.
Wed. 2 Quick recap
Feeds returned to the Hal and Betty convo.
Hal and Betty don’t know what Jace said to Kevin to make him flip so quick.
Hal is saying now that she’s had to consider… maybe Jace is the better choice to keep.
Betty gives points for why that’s not the case. Big point: Jace is one comp win from equalling Marty and the comps matter crowd will vote for her for that reason alone.
Betty informs Josh. Josh is convinced that Kevin is in Hal’s head and he has to change her mind. He thinks they are immoral people for how they played the game (UUUUH-gain he had zero problem with that when they were so immoral to his benefit). How ever did he keep his cape so clean of all that blood? Yes, he made the big public move of taking out Summer and putting Betty on the block. Indeed. But All game long the people protecting him were called snakes because they protected him. I see both sides of his argument.
Let’s also remember: Angry Betty targeted Josh and made a final 2 with Kevin BEFORE the dr/gremlining.
Kevin is again playing head only, without seeing the emotional side.
What if Jace and Betty join forces to take out Kevin and Haleena? Jun and Allyson proved enemies could be effective allies in the end game YEARS ago.
Kevin thinks it’s impossible because he’s convinced he’s got everyone snowed? He thinks in that case they take out Haleena? Most Likely (my brain says his logic and ego tell him they keep him out of the pair).
I think YES, getting rid of Josh is better for Kevin given the d/rgremlining. I think NO, Kevin’s plan is flawed because his logic is static not fluid with dynamic change.
His end game thinking multiple final 2 deals matter… um. Only to Haleena really.
Is the decision made? It’s Kevin. NO decision is ever made until he feels he has absolute control of the outcome. But, thinking Jace will win comps for him and take him to final 2 now that Josh and Betty reconciled? THAT is his reasoning. As long as HE doesn’t have to take out Haleena HIMSELF, he’s fine if she’s gone.
Does JOSH have the communication skills to change his fate? Only if you dangle a cookie in front of him. He’s never had to actually run a campaign, he’s always had everyone else saving him. His lack of communication is the reason people lose trust in him..
I don’t know. I don’t think Josh can unless he goes Haleena’s conscience route and she puts her foot down. When has Haleena put her foot down? I mean without being a klutz and falling over.
Kevin sending Haleena to Betty was supposed to make Betty and Josh think it’s Haleena’s fault or responsibility (Haleena cosigned, so his final 2 with Business B still stands is his reasoning). Reality: that’s not the way it played out. They just think Kevin mindfuqed Haleena. Business B has always been emotional Betty without guilt not 100% logic Betty. Kevin will NEVER get that because Kevin has never actually understood other’s emotions (that’s why he needed Haleena).
FACT: Kevin is COUNTING on his duo with Haleena being broken by either Jace or Betty next week, or he’s stupid. NO WAY ANYONE with a brain keeps a duo going into 3. This is why Kevin needs Josh out for real. 2 pairs where one is actually part of a trio? He can’t be sure his sure vote goes to jury. I’ve said multiple times, when he counts votes, Haleena was a vote for him 99% of the times.
Personal Theories:
Betty didn’t actually play Big Brother for the first few weeks. She had no clue what was going on around her, and didn’t care to find out.
Jace didn’t actually play Big Brother for weeks. She played secure a showmance. From there until week 5? Gino went out and gamed, came back and told Jace. She fostered no relationships of her own and actually cut her relationships back to put more emphasis on a showmance.
Josh relied on others absolutely to keep him in the game, and has moral qualms now that nobody is big brothering for him (Betty is, but Betty doesn’t have a vote). He threw almost every comp he could have won, and lost most of the ones he tried to win. His HOH actually cemented him as loser to the jury… but the house doesn’t see that.
Haleena has been in survival mode since week one when she was a renom option. She plays the entire season in protect the duo mode to her detriment. Best ability to read others (but most ignored for her abilities).
Kevin has been in chaos mode since week one. At this point, he’s got to hope the jury rewards the villain. The only way this jury rewards the villain though, is to take someone they respect less. This jury is too comp wins matter, and takes their evictions too personally. If Kevin says to jury i’m the one that did that… do they penalize or reward?
I still think Kevin could very well become the bbcan Paul.
Okay. Time to prep dinner. Episode review to follow.
WEDNESDAY EPISODE: aka how many drgremlins does it take for THAT to happen?
preamble:
Josh right now is about to start campaigning. He sees no point in trying to swerve Kevin, so he’s most likely going to go for Haleena’s conscience. If he were smart he would have locked in the final 4 on Monday with all present all hands in. He didn’t. He made up with Betty and lied to Kevin and Haleena about the reconciliation.
Josh campaigns to Hal: better for her game specifically. her response is if she doens’t win HOH EVERYONE is going to throw her on the block.
She tells Josh she knows Josh would keep Kevin or Betty over her, and that is what is making her doubt him, because it’s never been a secret he’s closer to both of them than he is to Haleena. Josh says Jace wins finals next to everyone. He tells Hal he’d be able to make a tough decision between B/K.
With Josh, Hal makes final 3 no matter what. The jury would not receive the move well if they cut Josh now. Josh never once pulling Hal and Betty together is the problem. Even a hands in final 4 deal with Kevin would have done it. He didn’t.
EPISODE RECAP
Dr. Josh’s friendship with Betty is on life support. Betty wins HOH.
she’s called Petty Betty for the third time in about 90 seconds. Think she’s Petty???
PRE NOMS
Betty only wants to talk to Josh but he’s a backstabber.
Betty ignores Josh.
Hal gets d/r. Her game has been invisible. ED. The edit agrees. Hal works Betty. Trying to save the Ghosts from the block.
Betty thinks Josh / Jace noms.
Josh finally goes to Betty.
He was loyal to Dummies, but wants his caaaake…. drool, and eat it too with Betty’s friendship. Betty says she’s been blind loyalty. She was playing for him, not herself.
Expendable… so enjoy blocklife.
(THIS is before the last d/r of last episode…. that happened before Veto, not before noms look at her outfits).
Jace talks to Betty. I’d never go after you Betty. The snakes are snaky and shady and liars. Secret POV reveal. ED. Missing: let’s be the amazons and take out the men… but let’s target Haleena. The Jace pitch that sketched Betty.
NOMINATIONS
Betty can only trust Betty (ED. at this point she was final 3 with Ghosts and final 2 with Kevin btw).
NOMINEES
JOSH AND JACE.
Josh ur a backstabber. Jace u are clutch, win veto.
Jace d/r why not snakes on the block????
Kevin and Betty talk. Jace is the one she wants gone. Kevin appreciates Betty (smoke blowing). It’s actually not a great act… how did she buy this until d/r informed????
Kevin d/r Ghosts have all the power. This is due to all the hard work on Betty for weeks.
Haleena is the one that approached Kevin for the duo. We are invisible. Betty / Josh talk 1. Let’s not be weird. I’m not coming for you if i get off the block. It’s the still a bridesmaid talk. NOT THE BIG TALK.
Dummie talk:
If Jace wins veto one of us goes home.
Betty / Josh talk 2: post d/r reveal. Kevin exposed. ED. none of this was was in her brain when she camtalked before that d/r.
Josh is shaking. This is edit good, but feeds bad because it’s completely faked. Josh d/r: Let’s get rid of Kevin.
EXPEDIA VETO. Video clips.
Blindfolded five rooms. puzzle.
Jace is run one. 24 ish
Lots of d/r. 5 alliance gone, showmance gone.
Hal beach. Betty city. Josh skiing. Jace. Jungle.
now find puzzle pieces. Jace missed a puzzle piece in Bettyland. it’s over her head.
Josh’s turn. 16 ish
wow. just…. comedy of errors bad.
Josh is tall enough. missd the newsbox piece.
Kevin’s turn. 33: 49
Ghost game. Gotta win late comps.
Wow. just as bad as Josh… did he EVER get to the puzzle????
Bet—-ty…’s turn? she’s almost in the hot tub. 47:59
No really…. where was she going?
back to Kevin making puzzle vs. Betty making puzzle.
Haleena’s turn. 10:25
Too short to see the SAME one Jace missed.
Finds it. THE VISUAL LEARNER KLUTZ WON A BLINDFOLDED VETO.
HALEENA WINS VETO
Jace d/r: Hal wiped them. Does Hal use veto?
Kevin d/r: we hold all the power.
Kevin sucks at comps, he needs comp beasts to carry him.
Josh d/r: has to re-embrace Dummies.
Hal to d/r wins expedia reward:
Hal, don’t search for the secret room…. just go to 11 cus we don’t have that kind of time.
Kevin Martin: strategy talk. Personal and Game. Kevin says personal happens after.
Kevin says tell the jury what you have done.
1- stay calm. 2- prepare for comps. 3- visualize the comps.
Tells Haleena she can win… not with HER Invisileena Edit.
Jace veto talk. ED. this was actually the make nice with Jace talk when she was first staying before she was going before she was staying.
Use the veto… let’s keep Kevin…. we should run this game as the pair we were night one before i ditched you for the boys, then came back, then got ditched by you….. i dramatized the actual to be more fitting with what really happened.
VETO CEREMONY
Josh: unreal veto time (cough cough)… 6th sense use it if you want.
Jace: if i’d wanted it i should have been 14 minutes faster.
Haleena doesn’t use veto.
end episode D/R’s:
Josh is going to fight…. with every snack he can find. crunch crunch crunch… oooo are those cookies?????
Jace is going to fight to stay. Josh will win if he stays.
Possible Waffle afoot. Who knows anymore. Call it a maybe Waffle, maybe just crepes.
Background:
Hal said her heart is with Josh but she isn’t sure if the brain is agreeing because she thinks Josh would cut her before Betty and Kevin.
Josh disagreed.
Josh told Hal leaving in 5th place via backstab makes him think he’d poison the jury because they have been 3 strong for so long.
NOW: (apologies in advance i’m distracted).
Hal might be changing her mind.
Hal has told Kevin that he’s had fun letting his inner child out, i think she’s inferring it’s time to put the inner child away (stop the chaos and be real talk or a loving affirmation? LOL).
Kevin is telling Josh he might be able to flip Hal back to keeping him.
Josh tells Kevin that Betty is a bigger jury threat than Haleena when Kevin asks if he would get rid of Hal.
I wasn’t paying attention for a couple minutes, i was on a call, sorry… life still lifes and i’m trying but i’m gonna be honest, i’m really in no mood to rewind so i’m just gonna keep going and hope i understand and relate this to you guys well. (yeah, I’m having a REALLY bad day and tbh i’m so dopey with allergy meds that rewind wouldn’t help because my ability to divide attention between multiple tasks is sorely lacking right now. My apologies).
Kevin and Josh are affirming their final 2? (might be fake, might be real i’m siding with fake). Kevin talks about getting Hal to throw HOH.
Good luck, she’d suck, but she’d never throw.
Oh wait, was Hal in the room for a while? that’s her voice….
Hal tells Kev Josh that Jace has said she’s never say die, and she’s going to fight.
Waffle or Kevin playing Josh playing Kevin playing Josh?
I have NO idea right now. Divided attention in the middle of a project while trying to pay attention.
I’m going to post this, and try to get my head back into wtf is going on.
Back when I’ve figured out the actual situation as it progresses.
So Possible Waffle Watch, but not Positive Waffle Watch.
I think Josh has agreed to throw HOH.
Haleena never thought she’d win an HOH, she didn’t submit any HOH music? if that’s true BWAHAHAHAHA.
Feeds were down during the episode hence not getting what was happening.
PURE CONJECTURE
I’m going to guess that as a result of Josh using Haleena’s heart as his campaign and adding the loyalty / poison aspect…
She told Kevin they were flipping?
Did she actually DO something or declare something to Kevin and make the decision FOR them? I don’t know if I believe that.
So everyone thinks Josh would take them to final 2?
Is THAT what’s going on?
Haleena thinks either one of Kevin or Josh could take her out, or either one could take her to final 2.
She feels better about herself if they keep Josh.
Betty has been informed Josh is likely staying.
Kevin joked about until the next mind flip (waffle).
Betty thinks they shouldn’t tell Jace until morning.
Kev/ Hal are trying to figure out when to tell Jace.
Jace suspects.
Flip flopping in chart form.
Still room for more. I’ll never look at a waffle the same.
EYES ROLLING OUT MY DAMN HEAD. It’s 2 frickin voters…. wutdabloodyellllll?
Somehow Marty would blame datfuqinbeddy.
Jess would think it was all a plot against theyself.
Kyle would try to nominate a juror just to break up that juryhouse room… awfully sus looking.
FROM THE LOOKS OF THOSE PORKCHOPS… HOH WILL BE HELD IN AN EMERGENCY ROOM.
YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESH.
END OF WEDNESDAY
Just after midnight, Jace, who wanted to be informed tonight of the decision, has been told she is leaving. She was crying because they haven’t told her yet. Now she’s crying because they told her while she was crying. And it’s her that insisted on being told tonight? and got annoyed when Kevin came in and wouldn’t tell her… but kevywevy wouldn’t hurt her while she’s crying (conveniently she starts crying harder) Hal is left to take the lead. oy.
She’s pissed, back to calling them snakes. Pissed at Haleena more. i mean… so textbook that she’s the girl always mad at the girl.
Shouldn’t have demanded to be told tonight.
Now there’s only likely a couple more flips. kidding but sideye. I’m tired of the flipping. the flopping. the indecision. the kevining that i’m pretty secure in thinking was either boredom, or d/r requested to make it interesting. Look at the plethora of d/r calls to get us to each flip and then tell me it’s not possible. And it might not be done because Kevin is sharing the bedroom alone with her.
Kevin left most of the news breaking to Haleena so that she’d look like the baddy when Jace goes to jury. Come ON. like THAT’S not in his wheel house? He used the but she manipulates me stuff…. is he twelve with a crush on the girl he knows will go to second base? Sometimes that’s my read on Kevin and Jace.
Kevin is saying he believes Josh and Betty would cut each other in the f4. Yeah, they haven’t been spending 9 hours a day attached at the hip for 3 days or anything. Eyeroll.
That makes me wonder if he feels the same if Hal wins the HOH. mmhmm. As long as it ain’t him having to fight for veto… he don’t give zEEE-row shits in a manure factory.
In another room , Betty and Josh are saying the HAVE to win the POV at 4. Yeah, that sounds like 2 people cutting each other. Eyeroll.
Kevin locks in his final 2 with Josh with a handshake. wants to name it later.
Let’s hope Josh doesn’t pick the same name as the final 2 he has with Betty or with Haleena. I think Kevin still thinks Josh is the smitten kitten that said he had a crush on Kevin on night one. mmkay.
Kevin has now gone to schmooze Betty, she tells him to visualize his pictures and his HOH bed. He tells Betty his game was under the radar mixed with being silly.
MEANWHILE
Jace is telling Hal she hates her game, and thinks she’s a liar and Jace wouldn’t play that way. She says Haleena could never make a firm decision, and with any power she was a flop.
Haleena and Josh’s bedtime bonding day 4:
Haleena tells Josh that Jace is going in on her again (implying and not Kevin, and let’s be honest, Jace is 20x more likely to bitch out on Hal than Kev like 100%). Hal is mad that Kevin bussed her to Jace saying it’s all Hal’s decision. Hal says she chose to fight for the dummies, and knew she’d get heat, she doesn’t blame them it was her choice but sometimes she gets tired of getting all the heat for it and all the attacks. Josh acknowledges that Hal has taken most heat in the dummies this season for trying to keep them together. He’s telling her not to keep Jace, she says she only thought about it for a millisecond and that got blown up, and part of the game is thinking every situation through fully, but in her heart she was always keeping Josh. Josh tells her if anything ever sounds fishy, tell him, and he’ll squash it or keep it to himself. (flashback to Josh asking what Jace said that caused Haleena doubt: that if Hal gets rid of Jace, Josh will take out Hal because he likes everyone else more). Hal tells Josh that Kevin went in to tell Jace he was voting her out yesterday and she got into his head and kept going and going. And now Hal looks like the evil bitch again. Haleena says she’s winning HOH, she’s beating Kevin and Josh, she’s visualized it. Josh hopes she does beat him and asks her to take him to Wendy’s. He got the Wendy’s promise from Kevin too. HOW IS JOSH NOT 6 FEET WIDE?
LIGHTS OUT. There was an inaudible Josh whisper alone. Sorry. Headphones on 100 and i couldn’t make out one word, I think he took off his mic and still whispered to himself while Hal went for moisturizer (she left bathroom while Jace was dressing her down without finishing her moisturizer routine that generally takes as long as Josh’s tooth brushing).
In other news, apparently they’ve been told the Shopper’s wall won’t apply to any of the rest of the comps, so they’ve been studying that wall since day twentysomethin for ABSOLUTELY NO REASON. Hands up if you figured the Shopper’s showcase wall was done after the Shopper’s showcase wall comp for Gino’s HOH? ALL OF US?
Now watch HOH be shoppers showcase. BWAhahaha. Doubtful except as a tie breaker.
Thursday:
as has become pattern, feeds down before wake up call.
As I see it:
With Jace’s reaction being more strongly against Hal than Kevin, Josh should actually be thinking Haleena is the no votes finalist. He likely thinks he can beat her already, but he is fostering his final 2 deals with Kevin and Betty more.
Given choice, I THINK Betty and Josh would knock out Kevin first, actually. Now that Kevin revealed he manipulated Marty to nominate Hermon (and made it sound like he did it all on his own) in his schmooze to Betty? Her theory that he’s the more dangerous becomes stronger I think.
Odds Josh actually throws the final 4 HOH? 70/30 he doesn’t. BUT, he knows VETO holds the power. Everyone knows Veto holds the power, but Kevin is banking on the HOH to give him the easypass to 3.
In a traditional final 4 veto, Haleena is the season 3 Brittni (no not the have not double veto HOH during double and triples Brittni). She doesn’t know the events NEAR as well as the rest of the house. Especially when she studies with Kevin, who as Josh has stated, skips days and events to throw off people he studies with.
I still say Hal doesn’t have a finals edit. No really. If she hits finals it’s as the easy win option. Name a juror that would say Haleena played a great game from their definition of what they think a great game was…. I’ll wait. I was shocked she got more than one d/r per episode this week so far, but she’s still lagging way behind.
I still say Josh and Jace had the traditional bench edit (the typical season big week one questions that WERE answered had Honeybunch and Savage 7 as answers leaning more to Josh for ticking BOTH boxes But there’s usually more than two big questions so…. hmm). Josh gets less d/r than Kevin and Betty. Jace got more d/r than she deserved after the whole week two and three ‘just sit and look pretty Jace, i’m going to talk game. Ok Gino’ crap.
Kevin has been getting the season focus edit as the literal driving force behind actions. Think about it: whose d/r did they go to after the triple: Kevin. Was Kevin the HOH or the surviving nominee? NO. Kevin was given the explain the actions spot.
Betty has been gettting the underdog rising edit hard. Since her cuss out Marty after noms leading to the veto and then the backstab to HOH? very much underdog rising.
Two weeks ago i would have said Josh Kevin as final 2. That’s what old pattern suggests.
This season’s pattern? I’m torn because it has broken from the traditional season 3-9 pattern enough to give me pause.
Latest jury clip release: Paraphrase.
(Just for entertainment, I REALLY don’t buy these).
Moose says he found out everyone in the house wanted him gone.
They ask summer if she’s made an alliance with the camera yet.
Jurors talk about alliances (Moose says 4, Gino says at the end he had 2 he had I’m aware of 7, Marty says 4 (he’s forgotten a couple we learned about and at least 6 final 2’s) and Summer says 8 i’m aware of 7 plus a few final 2’s).
Moose asks Gino why he convinced Hal not to use veto. Gino says he didn’t and Moose fell for Haleena’s manipulation game. Moose is shocked… but she was crying. Gino says and she did that to us all season.
Summer and Gino flirt on camera for Jace.
Since there is no feeds today, we have no idea if they flipped the vote again.
LMAO.
THURSDAY EVICTION EPISODE
RECAP: basically will the Ghosts be able to stay together?
Who will be saved? A week dripping in syrup from waffles.
Jace d/r: Jace thinks Josh will win if he stays.
Josh d/r: everyone is playing for themselves, he needs to campaign. He campaigns one hour during a feed block.
Kevin d/r: Ghosts rule.
Betty d/r: Shoulda nommed Kevin.
Filler: Josh’s mom watched because of Indigenous representation last season.
Kevin Hal GHOST TALK.
Hal wants to keep Jace. Kevin wants to keep Josh. He’ll manipulate Hal to get his way.
ED. It’s going to be edited as Kevin masterminded? Oh. so nope.
Mr. Waffles better be exposed.
Josh / Betty talk:
Josh d/r my resume is worse than Jace’s.
Betty deflates.
Would Kevin go for the stab? Hindsight talk. You still trust them now?
Josh and Betty have Kevin figured out.
Hal and Kevin decide Josh, shake. Sibling talk
Jace Kevin talk: he’s evicting her… now she’s going after his brain.
Kevin is waffling. Actually waffle number 3 on Monday pm / Tuesday am.
Betty is happy to be final 5.
Hot tub exterior yard party4
THIS ISN”T THE FINAL 5 THEY ENVISIONED.
FAMILY VISIT (anyone mind i call it filler?)
Jace’s MOM. Keep fighting.
Kevin’s Jillian. she wears a fake ring.
Haleena’s MOM: You are being watched… wow you made it this far? Cook Butter Chicken more.
Betty’s iain: Everyone is well. i drink coffee with you in the morning. u can do eet.
Josh’s MOM: he cries. d’uh. Ur doing well. Mom is proud. Focus on the fox teachings.
JURY VISIT
Dummies reveal to Jury
Marty shocked they played him so long.
Summer petty against Josh. Hopes he comes to jury so she can laugh in his face.
Gino would vote Jace winner. D’uh.
Shock faces by Moose and Hermon multiple times. Especially the Gummi incident.
Campaigning.
Jace needs to lie to the liars and snakes.
*this talk was 99% aimed at Kevin almost exclusively.
Head vs. Heart talk.
Josh campaign to Kevin (during yesterday’s episode). ED. She was the first campaign not shown (1/2 during episode feed block).. Throw HOH? He’s not throwing HOH.
EVICTION VOTE:
Josh: day 62. keep me I’m the best for your game.
Jace: we’re connected. Why doesn’t anyone have the guts to evict Betty or Josh.
EVICT JACE:
Haleena. Kevin.
Jace evicted 2-0
Josh boilerplate bye.
Kevin reveals the ghosts and the dummies to Jace. Almost flipped for her.
Haleena goes i was game you were love, I’m still here.
HOH COMP NOT STARTED OR SHOWN.
Post Arisaview tiktok with Jace:
NO WAY she votes Haleena.
Kevin and Haleena worked together and he’s diabolical, she is fine with Kevin or Josh winning. Hal’s exit interview was vote losing (she never had it anyway. SHE WAS NEVER VOTING HAL). Kevin will be her first choice for sure.
She thinks if Betty doesn’t win Veto she’s gone (nope).
Haleena’s message was bad juror management to a juror that would never vote for her anyway… but has sway over another juror (Gino).
I don’t care about Canada’s Fave Houseguest.
Just putting that out there to be 100% obvious. I do not give a crap.
However, you have about 5 days of voting time if you do care.
Vote opened after the episde aired.
I still don’t care.
I mean… really?
STILL EXPECTING FEEDS TO END ON SAT/SUN. Arisa will come on the screen announcing a surprise eviction. AND feeds will end.
15 minutes ago
BBCAN twitter announced feeds will be down for the night, they will return in the morning.
here’s what we can expect:
Usually they would be done HOH by now… but who knows. In some seasons they’ve done the noms same night as soon as the HOH is over.
between 5-6am the red door opens perhaps they are sleeping now with the red door being the HOH comp.
at some point usually tomorrow (usually am, they do the awards).
If they don’t do noms tonight, they will do them tomorrow afternoon with the veto played many seasons on Friday evening.
Feeds usually return Friday night to the winner, and a few minutes of veto winner talking to their ally.
There is usually a little bit of scramble on Saturday as the nominees start to worry (or in Keifer’s case whine about wanting to quit at final 4 because he is being evicted).
Arissa will come on the tv announcing a special eviction… and feeds will end.
IF I remember correctly, that will be the pattern they will follow.
I still think saturday around 2pm feeds will end, unless they push back to Sunday.
WHO KNOWS i think the last season ended on a Wednesday not a Thursday.
Right now: CONJECTURE
I expect Kevin to reveal the Dummies to Betty by bed time. THIS is especially true if Josh wins HOH. Get Betty pissed at one more betrayal.
Betty and Josh would most likely rather evict Kevin. Kevin winning HOH is his best bet.
Haleena’s days and events disadvantage is going to bite her hard. I didn’t see her study THAT much after the Veto.
This week’s comps are usually centred on season history.
FINAL 4 VETO IS INDIVIDUAL TIMED VETO in every season i can remember.
SO…. since they won’t air the entire comp, I don’t believe the results, and never have.
Okay, that’s not true, I believed in the fairness of the comps until season five in that individual timed veto that Cowboy won… knowing he hadn’t studied the events and didn’t know anything in order and that WAS the comp? THAT VETO made me realize that individual time vetoes are production, not game.
Patiently waiting for the feeds to come back. * twiddles thumbs * any guesses on what the red door is ? I know Hal doesn’t look like she has much of a chance with the jury but I still hope for a ghosts final. Of the final 4 they are the ones that put in the work to win. To that end I’d rather Hal win HOH and final POV. Unlikely….but pov in 10 minutes ….also unlikely. JL is just totally bitter lol ah well her and gino couldn’t wait to turn on the ghosts so I have no sympathy for her. Lol
Jace Eviction Obit game analysis.
Jace walked in saying girl power. By day 3 she was trying to find a showmance. Her early contenders were Gino or Hermon. Her bff and final 2 Steph was intended to be Kyle’s showmance I believe, but quickly went for Gino, then Hermon. Girl power quickly became thatbitch frenemy while basking in the showmance lotto victory. REALLY… this is sort of an encapsulation of her ENTIRE game.
She would have been a far better player without Gino. This is just fact. She had better reads, she was a better competitor, and a smaller target alone.
Here’s the thing: she was content to have the game played around her instead of playing the game for MOST of the season.
She was entitled to the extreme, and seemed to expect others to keep her safe KNOWING she considered them beneath her. She wasn’t shy about putting herself WAAAY up here, and EVERY other woman way way WAAAAY down there. Notice: did she EVER once talk to ANY of the men the way she talked to ALL of the women?
Do I think this view of women as competition is new? NO. Do i think she comes by it naturally? OH hells yeah. Think about her sports background: individual sport competing against other women? She’s been socialized and conditioned to view other women as the enemy since early childhood.
This explains why she had ZERO problem telling everyone she hated her final 2 Steph. This is why her talk with Gino about the flirting put almost ALL the blame on Summer when it took 2 to tango. This is why Betty and Haleena were only considered companions when Gino was busy playing the game, and were dropped and dissed the moment He wanted to cuddle.
Her comp wins in balance comps is impressive. You’d almost think a competitive figure skater would need… good… balance….oh.
I think she had potential. I think she squandered her potential to play human mattress. I think if she were actually capable of considering other women as allies, she could TRULY have won. But petty gonna petty and entitled gonna entitled (as i’ve said before Gino DEFINITELY has a TYPE and yeah, i mean Summer).
I am not covering nor discussing her old tweets. Unless i read the whole thread, I’m NOT going to tell you what one snip of a thread means.
I gotta say, the fact that EVERYONE KNEW by week 2 that she was always going to vote a MALE winner? EVERY other woman should have manipulated the HOH’s to knock her ass out before Jury. In week three when she told the house she couldn’t stand her bff? BIG BIG BIG warning siren. If I was a woman in an alliance with the 2 of them? Run for the hills, make EVERY other alliance you can, because that woman is not a girl’s girl.
Her reads, as I said were good. However, she was naturally inclined to dismiss the male and blame the female for the same game move. Like… EVERY damn time. That would have served her well until a female HOH and a female veto holder… oh and look. Just saying.
She’ll vote bitter, she’ll vote petty. She’ll vote male 99 times out of 100.
You dragged her so well. Gold star!
In interview Jace says the jury is bitter against Josh and it’s Kevin’s game to win.
When she lists her vote preferences, the women are at the bottom.
Not at all shocked she ranks Josh ahead of Betty. Not surprised at all she ranks Haleena last. Even without the gbm, that was already the case.
Spot on – Hal’s GBM wasn’t great jury management but she’d had enough of Jace being condescending toward her. She never specifically called Haleena dumb but inferred it saying she’d be a joke in F2 b/c she’d babble without a cogent thought & had NO GAME to sell. She implied Hal simply hid behind Marty as her meat shield (yeah – that’s rich coming from Jace) called her a floater, a liar, a snake, a b*tch etc.
When the Ghosts voted out Gino she had NO ISSUES with Kevin – at least to his face but screamed at Hal. Jace not using the secret POV was “strategic” but when Hal didn’t want to use her POV at F5 she wasn’t playing the game – was unable to make a decision on her own, and was just part of the BB furniture.
I mean Jace really couldn’t have been more ignorant toward Haleena who as you correctly note likely would’ve considered taking her off the block had she even remotely tried to nurture that relationship or been believable about their F2. Once Kevin flipped Hal knew Jace offered him F2 so there was no way she was going to fight to keep her then.’
And after Josh won F4 HOH Kevin and Haleena were talking in $ room – Kev implied what nailed Jace’s eviction was she was extremely insulting and condescending to Hal during her pitch to the Ghosts. Ironically, her pro-male, anti-female bias was the reason they cut her in the end. As Kevin said – had she been someone who was a nicer person (sweeter I think was the word he used) they probably would’ve cut Josh.
Hal also knew Jace wouldn’t vote for a woman regardless of what she said. If Hal does make F2 I expect a snotty, condescending question or comment from Jace – the question is how will Haleena respond? Hal has shown some gumption at different times this season & I wonder if she would put Jace in her place noting how she spouted female empowerment all while simultaneously attacking each of the women’s characters in the house. How she would credit a male for making moves or being shady but when a woman did it she would attack their character with base, ignorant criticisms.
It was one of the few times Haleena caved to her emotions b/c I do believe Hal really did want to have a female partner she could pull with her/Kev to F3 (or with the Dummies to F4). That person, unfortunately, became Betty who she believes is closer to both Josh/Kev than her.
The biggest strike against Haleena is the power of the episode edit.
I’m sort of kidding, but not really.
Episode Edit put most of Haleena’s early game into the Jess column.
Examples:
Hal tells Kevin they should get closer to Jess for a side number. Episode says Jess and Kevin have a final 2 and actively cut Haleena out of one of the conversations.
Hal tells Jess how to tone her personality so she can get in with others. Episode notes Jess is developping a social game.
Week three, they show Hal rolling her eyes about Kyle’s proposed replacement nom convo. they don’t show her warning Josh and saying she has his back. Credit goes elsewhere. All we know about Hal in the edit to that point? She’s working with Jace and Steph? blink blink.
Even now: Jace d/r count as of eviction: over 100. Kevin around 100. Haleena: she just hit 50. Josh and Betty are in the mid eightes to 90 i think.
The edit doesn’t support a Haleena win in any way shape or form.
The edit actually supported a Haleena eviction week 5. Instead she took over Jess’ role during the massive feed outages we can ONLY mark down as JESS wanted to quit but HOH’s don’t quit WHILE they are HOH before renoms.
Anyone else feel a delightful sense of schadenfreude when you consider that the people told to their faces that they didn’t deserve to be there and play this game are the finalists?
Seriously. Week two through five, How many times were feeds littered with one of the alphabro Koolkidz saying that people like Betty, Haleena and Kevin didn’t deserve to be in the Big Brother House with them? I lost count because it was multiple times a day.
We heard it as late as week SEVEN when Gino and Jace said they believed floaters like Kevin and Haleena didn’t deserve to get to the end with them, the four with Josh and Betty was preferable because Josh was more like them. Sure, they changed their mind to Kevin… after he won a veto comp, but did they EVER take that seriously?
This is why i would evil laugh to myself EVERY time one of the Supposed DESERVING superior class would find their ass on the block, and be going to the dregs to beg for votes. It was well deserved Karma for being such completely entitled little assholes.
The entitled were annihilated by the inferior class. They were out strategized, out manipulated, and outplayed. They won HOH’s… and were manipulated into evicting their own allies. The undeserving DID THAT.
Not sorry, because EVERY single juror was part of at least one doesn’t deserve it conversation as if they were an executive producer. Is this where Marty’s “Sucks to suck” line comes in?
Realistically, yeah, I actually think one of Kevin or Haleena should win, because they played the damn game and gamed the damned players. Will they? I don’t really think so. Betty? She had NO clue what was going on for over half the game, and even when she knows what is going on now… she’s only actually figured out half the story and doesn’t even TRY to piece together the rest But would I hate a Betty win? No, not hate. Maybe feel a little blah about it, but not hate. Josh? Likeable guy that successfully played the middle. I can make a case for that. Sure, but it’s a weaker case than the other two in terms of actual game play. So at the moment my weakest finalist when assessing game play alone is Betty. Josh? If not for Haleena week three and later the Dummies, he’d have been a likeable footnote. This week Josh saved himself, preaching moral game while lying his ass off. I think that’s where I always mark him down a bit. He has that damn pet peeve role model moral game bullcrap spillage while playing a dirty game. The other two admit they are playing dirty games. Josh? oh i was manipulated (so I better not mention i’ve been in up to my eyeballs with the manipulators). Would i hate a Josh win? No. I’d hate the played a moral game interviews after FOR SURE. I wouldn’t be MAD if Josh won.
I know some people are thinking it’s a cometoJesus awakening for Josh, but is it? No, it’s more of that i’m a role model and anything dirty i’ve done is other people’s responsibility thing. That doesn’t fly with me. About EITHER Betty OR Josh.
When Betty says Kevin manipulated Betty into her nominations… Funny when cams returned and she was alone in expedia camtalking… she named her noms as Jace and Josh. How exactly is that Kevin manipulating Betty? She’d still be completely serious about her final 2 with Kevin and Haleena if it weren’t for the d/r calling her in and giving her leading questions and lines to clue her in to Kevin’s game (later explained as fictional thought about it all night bullshit) She was still alone camtalking Jace or Josh going is fine on Saturday UNTIL that d/r call.
I DON’T HAVE A MAJOR PROBLEM WITH ANY FINALIST. BE CLEAR ON THAT.
I don’t see a Haleena win in finals. I think of the four in terms of strategic game Betty is least deserving. I have a problem with Josh’s role model no blood it’s someone else’s fault bullshit. Kevin? He could win or he could be bbcanada’s own bb18/19 Paul. I’m at least theoretically okay (not thrilled but okay) with any winner even if I think some played better games than others.
FEEDS RETURN AT 325 ish am BBT.
Kevin and Josh are on cam 2 sharing a bed in red bedroom. MIDFRAME SHOT. Look at the hairline, that’s Kevin in bed with Josh for sure with a towel over his eyes.
I think that’s Betty on Cam one close up on cam 1. Angle and nightcam… I am not 100%.
It is possible they are having their proposed sleepover they all wanted to have last night (but Betty wouldn’t do because she wanted her last night of HOH in that HOH bed).
THIS DOES NOT MEAN ANYTHING. We can only see 2 of the 3 beds. ALL we know for CERTAIN… Betty (? i’m only 90% sure, i don’t do nightcam well) Kevin and Josh are sleeping together in the red bedroom.
I forgot i had the sound on… the snoring scared the living evile outta me. Somebody bag that demon… i don’t think i can do nice at this time of night.
A quick check of nightowls on twitter has a universal telepathy tweet: SHOW THE THIRD BED!
KEVIN IS FULLY DRESSED INCLUDING SHOES IN BED… he knows that red door opens in an hour.
If ALL FOUR AREN’T in that room… why are Kevin and Josh sharing a bed?
Whatever, I make no speculations on what is going on other than Kevin is dressed in bed and Twitter is losing it’s shit wanting another cam on the other bed while studying sleep patterns and trying to determine HOH winner by sleep movement. Ya, that happened a LOT in season 9.
I’ve avoided pressing post in case my timing is off on the red door, or in case we get a cam change (highly unlikely).
I’ll post again after the countdown hits zero. unless feeds go down for it… who knows. I’m betting they go down for it…. but we might get a view on if tonight is sleep over night.
HMM.
Nothing happened yet. My calculation was some time between 5 and 6 am. by 530… nada.
Josh even got out of bed, went to the bathroom, and… and went back to bed.
So Kevin is sleeping in shoes and Josh is sleeping with his mic on.
It is Betty for sure in the other bed. took me a minute then noticed wrist tattoo. Really odd face angle.
by 6am nothing still.
i’m catching some more sleep. I’ll backtrack later and catch up.
Here’s where we are at according to social media.
I got nothing for you other than it’s well after 6am bbt.
WHO KNOWS.
So tracking that damn door has been a waste of my time and made me set an alarm for nothing? When i find the idjit that came up with that…..
The red door was apparently a Wendy’s sponsored thing.
No really. SO either wendy’s with awards or just a Wendy’s themecomp.
Not only did Hal run into the door face first, but Josh face planted.
Yeah, I can see that happening.
Feeds are down for what I assume is the HOH comp.
They drank last night. 4 bottles champagne. So awards before HOH?
Haleena injured again. elbow. ice pack.
Kevin was talking about everyone throwing HOH to him again.
So…. HOH has NOT been played already.
If Kevin wins Hal gives him permission to put Hal up if it makes Josh feel better.
Kevin was going to already I think, but asks if she’d be okay with that. She says yes.
Josh talks like he’s throwing but has to make it look good.
HOH RESULT:
JOSH WON HOH.
Kevin is pissed. shoulda cut him talk. pissed.
Haleena and Betty are in expedia, Betty wondering if her she offended Kevin?
Josh is strutting doing little finger snap dancing and snacking.
We get 2 feeds here and 2 feeds there.
Lots of silence in Betty and Haleena room. discussion of alllllll of Haleena’s injuries.
Kevin is back out of d/r.
Looking for Josh. Meets up Hal, goes to red bedroom looking for Josh.
Kevin is trying to make up with Josh over his reaction to Josh winning HOH?
There was no point in saying ‘I’m throwing’ right before the HOH. Frustrated. Still wants to go forward.
Josh says only veto matters.
Josh, caught in another lie as the role model guy, runs off to shower.
Haleena is telling Josh get off the pot, She’s happy for him to win HOH. She’s telling him to be happy. She isn’t upset at him, and is proud of him for securing his safety (she’s covering better than Kevin is… but I think she’s of the mind she’s going to jury).
Kevin Haleena talk Haleena says he conned the conmen. If he goes to jury, he’s pushing Hal to win over Betty because nobody can beat Josh.
Kevin thinks he could have beaten Jace. Hal says no.
I think Kevin is subtly trying to get Hal to volunteer for the block.
Hal says she was still keeping Josh if he hadn’t said he’d throw HOH. Kevin… oh.
He’s taking it much harder, she’s not.
HAL is taking this MUCH better than Kevin, she’s talking him off the ledge.
THey’ve done this to others for 10 weeks, it’s their turn to feel stressed.
They got soft. Kevin saying Jace’s insult campaign at them is why she went home. Hal is saying no, her talk with Josh made her think with her heart. She got soft. She preferred Josh come what may.
Betty was too toxic to Kevin for Kevin’s liking. Hal talks him down from threatening to evict Betty before the veto. says gametalk with her now before veto is a bad idea.
ALL FOUR WILL PLAY VETO, Kevin isn’t figuring.
Hal is talking Kevin up and impressed wtih Josh. IF Josh and Betty were final 2 the whole time and planned it all together she’s impressed.
Josh’s i just decided in the moment to win lie didn’t fly.
Betty celebrating in Kevin’s face didn’t fly.
Hal is taking it on the chin. Kevin is defeatist shouldcouldawoulda.
Hal says he played you like you were playing him re: HOH throw talk.
Kevin is convinced noms will be Hal and Betty or Josh’s lying is exposed. And he plans to tell Josh if he puts both Kevin and Hal up he’s exposed, so keep Kevin off the block.
HE’S SAYING THIS TO HALEENA. That’s a choice. In her head she’s practicing a mean gbm she’ll never say. LOL.
Kevin goes to Josh to push for Hal and Betty noms and Betty target.
Josh won HOH!
I’m happy he is for sure safe.
Kevin is especially pressed like a panini but oh well…
At this stage of the game you either win or you basically go home so step it up dude. One Veto win is not enough even if he has done very well strategically. Too many people on the jury heavily rate competition wins so yeah 1 Veto win probably won’t get you their vote especially if you have 1/2 wins and whoever is also in the final 2 has 3/4 competition wins.
There are still 2 competitions left (I’m only counting the last part of the final HOH since it is all that really matters) though so maybe Kevin wins them both? 3 wins would be great.
If Haleena gets one or both then she would go to 3/4 wins which along with her overall game would be deserving of a win imo.
Betty is probably in the worst position but we’ll see if she can win another competition before the show ends. Same for Josh.
Looks like someone (Josh) knocked the smug off Kevin’s face and the Con doesn’t like the fact he’s been conned. I love it.
Note:
I may have slightly misunderstood Kevin when pitching noms, he may have actually been saying put up Kevin and Betty, not saying get rid of Hal’s block virginity with Betty.
If you’ll note from my wake up call posts when feeds returned… i am a little sleep deprived.
So question:
Am I the only one?
I find this poor Josh I was manipulated I’m a role model crap to be waist high bullshit?
He entered an alliance. He made the move that kept his alliance safe. Now he’s jumped ship back to his never had a deal best friend to backstab the alliance?
Yes, the alliance isn’t with a couple doe eyed innocents. Yes, they were going to evict him. So yes, the move is a good one. HOWEVER, in terms of the narrative he’s trying for? Am I the only one thinking Own your game and quit blaming your allies for your own decisions?
Fact: Josh is lying when he says Kevin was in his ear to nominate Betty after he won HOH. We saw Josh walk in, both Kevin and Haleena sure Hal was renom, Josh says keep Betty. His revisionist crap is just that. Yes, Kevin was pushing alliance strong before Josh won HOH. Josh was in 100% agreement with that, knowing he’d catch hell from his friends for working in an alliance without them (and LET’S reiterate: Josh Kev Hal wanted to pull Betty in, Betty refused to work with Hal so the deal never went forward).
I DO think JOSH’S best move is to target Kevin. DO NOT MISUNDERSTAND ME.
It IS. I can do without the sanctimonious bullshit though, he’s been well aware since BEFORE the Dummies just how Kevin was playing.
I’m actually really perturbed by the entire I’m a hero crap. He’s just as much a villain as his allies. All of them.
You are NOT the only one AND he’s going to be exposed to Betty (and to the jury eventually)- the question is whether it occurs before or after the eviction.
It’s hard to fathom a scenario where Betty doesn’t learn about the Dummies — if Kev or Hal win POV I’m pretty sure Kevin outs the CTD to Betty almost immediately along with here’s why I can’t keep you. And you just know Kevin is jumping at the bit to tell her how Josh used to laugh about putting Betty up in the triple & never cared about losing her (or Summer). He’ll tell her – I’ll stay in this room – you go ask Haleena specifically if that happened & if Hal called us both cruel for doing it & she’ll tell you the truth.
If Betty wins – I think Kev gets squirrely worrying she won’t keep him & perhaps says too much. The one scenario that MIGHT postpone the inevitable is if Josh wins b/c they have to wait & see if he lets Hal vote or if he pulls Betty down to vote.
Based on his DR’s it sure seems like Josh’s plan is to screw the CTD so presumably he would pull Betty off so she can vote out Kevin. In the event that happens Kevin for sure says something to Betty walking out the door exposing Josh as playing her & lying to everyone. I think he’d get a shot in about Josh laughing about putting her up in the triple (b/c we know that’s how Kevin would roll lol) & I also think he’d be telling Betty I’ll be working that jury to make sure you win – to get into Josh’s head.
And then Haleena would be left to pick up the pieces after the fact. She would have to out the Dummies & how Hal/Kev were protecting Josh the entire game as well as Betty. She can remind Betty – remember when I said to you “I know you hate me — but I’m still going to keep you” when you were OTB with Hermon? That’s b/c the Dummies wanted to make a F4 with you but Josh told us it wouldn’t fly b/c you hated me.
They’ll be less leeway (or time) if Josh wins b/c he’ll want to blindside them if he is going to let Betty be the voter. And b/c they won’t know until the minute prior to eviction Kev won’t be able to say anything in advance trying to maintain his position with Josh.
I’ve called Josh arrogant a couple of times — & while I do like him – he really is arrogant. The way he’s played this situation, in particular, speaks to that fact b/c he’s relying on the Ghosts never selling him out & that’s taking a lot for granted.
So question — do you think this sudden “hero narrative” is TPTB pushing this onto Josh? I mean he is petty — look at how he acted after the triple toward Betty refusing to own anything or go and smooth things over with her. It’s plausible it’s just who he is – that he has one set of rules for how he can conduct himself versus how others are allowed to treat him OR it could be TPTB pushing him to take this stance for storyline.
The elbow injury:
when the red door opened, Haleena was in socks, slipped on the floor, ran into the red door and landed on her elbow on the ground.
Josh thought for certain she’d broken her arm from the way she hit the ground.
Meanwhile Kevin poor me’s to Betty (take me if you win veto everyone beats me i’m invisible game).
Hal and Kevin have promised to promote each other to jury.
Betty has promised to promote Josh to jury.
POST WENDY’S
Josh Betty talk. She’s fine with being nom’d because it makes Kevin think he isn’t the target, and without Hal ever nominated, maybe Kevin would evict her if he won Veto.
Josh Kevin talk. Kevin asks about putting Hal up with Betty instead of himself. It was his idea to put up Betty and himself, and that’s why Josh is doing it. Kevin wonders if Josh is keeping Hal off the block so that Betty targets her for never being nominated if she wins the veto. Josh gets Kevin to agree to going on the block by telling him the current Jury would respect Hal being nominated and winning veto to remove herself more than never being nominated.
Kevin Haleena talk.
I think Kevin just told Haleena he wants her to have a perfect game after telling Josh to put her on the block to ruin her perfect game. I also think he told her she could volunteer and Josh would likely do it.
Haleena and Betty have ALREADY told Josh they are fine if they are nominated. Kevin? Spinning for NO reason.
Kevin is spinning feeling like Josh won’t just own playing them. So take Betty’s righteous indignation last week and put a Kevin spin on it. Haleena says of course Josh isn’t going to do that.
ED. ACCC-tually THIS jury cares about comp wins comp wins comp wins, but I think a few think damn impressive with never being on the block when they think social game. Same time, they ALL have to know that jury would more likely vote a gummibear winner than Haleena.
FACT: if either nominee wins veto, Haleena hits the block anyway. So… moot point.
Kevin doing his internal chaos spinning and externalizing it at Josh? That’s going to push a button in Josh’s head. I mean, it took days, but even Haleena got tired of it and told him to put his inner child away. Josh? He’ll sketch almost immediately.
Something I don’t think Josh QUITE understands. Let’s say Josh wins veto. That doesn’t mean JOSH is the vote. That means if Josh wins veto and leaves the noms the same HALEENA is currently the SOLE vote.
Maybe Josh and Betty covered that… But I DON”T KNOW. Kevin is slipping up in that fact too. IF HOH wins veto, they are not the vote. The hg not on the block is the sole vote.
SOOOO… Josh’s middle player personality: what does he do if he wins veto? Uh oh.
Technically – Haleena will never have been nominated regardless.
If Kev or Betty win POV – they remove themselves & Haleena replaces them as the only option (still not being nominated) and even in the event Josh wins & takes one of them down again she’s a replacement but not technically nominated – only going up by default.
Your last point is interesting b/c Josh has been trying to do his – Mr. Stay in the Middle Man thing telling Betty they are against the Ghosts & by not putting up Hal that if Kevin wins POV he’ll vote out Haleena instead of her (bullsh*t). Does he honestly believe this? Is Josh as full of himself as Kevin when it comes to buying who each person would really take to the end? I kind of think maybe Josh does buy into Kevin being smitten with him/their F2 b/c he has a truly arrogant side. It’s similar to how Kevin convinced himself Josh would never turn on him or that Betty would cut Josh.
I swear Hal is the only one of that trio that clearly saw the game board for what it was. She KNEW it was best to keep Jace but both Kev & Jace screwed that up. Based on what we saw on feeds plus the playback from them it sounds like Jace really went at Hal – cruelly calling her out. Kevin brought it up multiple times that Jace attacked Hal. The implication was Jace went at Hal’s character & labelled her a floater, rat, liar, etc.
As an aside: I get JL was a competitive skater & primed to take out her female competition but the truth was Jace could’ve stayed if only she would’ve kept Hal in the loop. Regardless if she felt Kev was the alpha of the Ghosts she STILL should’ve gone back to Hal & downloaded their chat showing how Kev was pitching her hard to take him to F2, to promise to put up Hal & break her streak & to select him at F3 if she won. Sure it was a risk that Hal would tell Kevin – but what did she have to lose? I think if Jace had given Hal what she gave Betty (my game is in your hands & I’m 100% committed to you & you alone) she prob gets Hal to push harder to keep Jace.
Back to Josh… Him telling Kevin this jury would respect Hal more for going OTB & saving herself than her streak- -was a load of crap if I ever heard one — he WANTED to put up Kevin b/c he’s petty & it’s payback. So why keep Haleena safe? It’s Josh AGAIN playing the middle — perhaps he has Hal convinced she’s his true F2 (which I kind of think she is at this point). Plus I think Josh is super confident he’ll win POV so he thinks this move pulls Hal closer to him than Betty — but as you note the problem is he’s forgetting HE IS NOT THE ONE TO EVICT – he only gets to choose who makes that decision.
And if that happens — he has to get his hands dirty & be caught in a lie either way. If he pulls Betty down then he just blatantly lied & screwed over the Dummies but especially Hal b/c he’s told her he doesn’t want to ruin her streak & even if he’s getting Betty to keep Hal (which is their plan atm) then Hal goes to F3 feeling Betty is his true F2 & that he just lied to her to try to become her F2. If he let’s Hal pick he’s screwing over Betty b/c she’ll keep Kev. Either way it wasn’t wise how he set it up.
My feeling in the final 4 has always been that if you are not HOH and not casting the vote you are a nominee for eviction. Technicality perhaps. BUT, up for eviction nonetheless.
I get the oddest sensation when thinking about Veto.
Here’s the old pattern: s1: Tala. s2: Heather. s3: Britt. s4: Cassandra s5: Ika s6: Will. s7: Adam s9: Keifer.
1-5 gave us the 4th place “queen” trope. 6-9 gave us closest ally of the winner trope.
Which pattern do they follow?
He will throw veto. He doesn’t need it for safety and could lose jury votes. Will Veto Queen Haleena win again? That’s my prediction for this next individual timed veto.
DOES anyone else remember just how long last season’s final 4 Veto took?
OVER 12 HOURS Feed block!!!!!
JUST IN CASE.
So. Awards were last night.
Hal is injured.
Kevin is spinning out and resorting to flirt with the gay guy because gay guys can’t be logical with a hetero penis in the room with Josh. I SO hate that bbcan trope.
NOMS
BETTY AND KEVIN.
Everyone is shocked Veto is played today. NOTE TO FUTURE BBCAN HOUSEGUESTS: watch a feed or two and learn the pattern.
I still say feeds will go down by about 2pm tomorrow when Arisa calls them to the living room for a surprise eviction.
Since The veto is likely to take a long time, I’m just going to post the chart now pre-veto.
Josh put Kevin & Betty on the block.
Originally Josh was going to put up the Ghosts but then thought better of it – believing if he keeps Haleena off the block & Kev wins POV he’ll vote Haleena out b/c she would have a full season of not going up.
Of note THIS IS A HUGE MISTAKE by Josh b/c now if Haleena gets to F2 she can spin how Josh turned on the Dummies but she was still able to stay off the block. It’s a HUGE win for Haleena! Now she just needs to win POV!
Notably, before nominations Kevin told Josh he was disappointed he lied to them about throwing HOH (and said it AGAIN just before the comp) but as long as he didn’t put up both Hal & Kev OTB he would know he is still good with the Dummies.
Josh may be playing both sides of the coin here but his smarter move was to put up Hal/Betty but this tells me he’s made some sort of deal with Haleena during their Wendy’s visit (or in chats we didn’t see on feeds) that she would take him over Betty to F2 & he’s hedging his bet that 3 out of the 4 of them (Hal, Betty, Josh) could win POV so Kevin has the biggest shot of getting evicted.
B/c Kevin is so cutthroat maybe Josh believes he could get Kev to vote out Hal but I don’t buy he would b/c he knows Betty would take Josh all day every day whereas Hal would take him so yeah – I think Josh really messed up here.
Josh is taking this high road moral position – and is ASSUMING Kevin won’t out the Dummies to Betty. Hold onto your horses with that one. Initially, I thought maybe Kevin wouldn’t out the Dummies if either Hal or Kev won POV but I think he’s more likely TO OUT CTD if they win POV just so Betty goes to jury knowing how Josh lied to her the entire game.
If Betty or Josh wins POV it’s less certain what Kevin will do b/c he’ll need to be careful that he doesn’t increase his chances of leaving over Haleena. My guess is he already knows he is the target b/c Josh ignored his request to throw HOH & even reiterated he would prior to the comp which looks like he’s enjoying punking them.
While he’s always been closer to Kevin than Haleena we can’t disregard they slept in the same bed for most of the season. And if we’re looking at the situation clearly Haleena was ALWAYS the voice of reason for the Dummies. It was her work that got the most actions — she shared the most secrets/details & she was always the one to talk one of them down if they were feeling upset.
That part of her game can’t be underestimated and as mad as Josh was last week when Betty suggested he might be leaving – Kev laughed in his face & enjoyed the chaos (like he’s wont to do) whereas Hal was very straight forward & honest in why emotionally she would always keep Josh but from a strictly game perspective she knew she sat at the bottom for each of Kev, Josh & Betty so she needed to hear Jace’s pitch out even if she ultimately knew she would keep Josh. As mad and as petty as Josh can be he would appreciate her honesty and be more laid back in their one-on-one discussion.
But HELLO Josh is a petty guy & Hal gets slapped with the same hand as Kevin b/c they are paired in Josh’s mind. I really like Josh but NOT this side of him. There is a certain arrogance to his game and manner when he’s in power – a coldness that is anything but endearing. We saw it clearly during the triple when he had ZERO empathy for Betty or Summer.
On the other hand, it makes sense for Josh to pull Betty back to him by keeping her safe & playing up his current tangent of being “played by the pair”. Although – as per typical for Josh, he’s not thinking strategically here by OVER SELLING him being taken advantage of b/c at some point regardless of who wins POV she is going to be told that Josh was in the Dummies & never cared if Betty left.
The Final Four:
To be clear- this is one of the few seasons I can say I won’t be completely annoyed if a specific hamster wins. I’ll be happy for any of the four albeit I have my preference.
Flirty Josh – the morality policeman:
Josh played the middle perfectly manipulating everyone – albeit he didn’t have to work too hard and spent most of the season relying on Kev/Hal to do all the work and make sure he was safe instead of having to pitch.
In truth, other than aligning with the Ghosts, flirting with everyone, and eating he didn’t do much more than Betty other than put himself in a position to know what was going in the house. Let’s remember – Josh was NEVER as forthcoming about things he knew like the Ghosts were with him.
Winning at key times like the triple & this current HOH set him up well – but if we dive into how he handled the triple it was done terribly. He stayed true to the CTD in the moment but he handled it abysmally & it was such an easy fix to do it without the turmoil. While he’s pissed at Kevin (and Hal it appears since he’s lumping her into the same pot) the truth is Josh is just as much to blame for how last week played out.
He KNEW forever that if he won the triple what he would do – the Dummies repeatedly discussed it. That he hadn’t planted more seeds with Betty about Summer wasn’t just poor gameplay it was sheer laziness. I’ve discussed it adnauseam, but the easy fix was to simply say to her just trust me I’ll explain it to you after but you’re safe was the least he could’ve done (instead we saw a very cold calculated Josh).
OR the smart move which would’ve been to tell her this will make people think we aren’t a duo so they don’t put us up together AND if you get to F2 you’ll have Summer’s vote. OR even if he had pulled the Dummies/Betty into a room & said what do we do here b/c Summer has to go. If he had done even a little work to be prepared for that moment Betty either doesn’t nominate him or at least there isn’t the drama between them right after the fact. He counted on her forgiving him & she has but I’m not sure there isn’t still some payback coming depending on who reaches F3 (and who wins that Final HOH).
Underdog petty Betty:
Betty is the season’s real underdog – clueless about what was really occurring – not truly playing the game until the week she had to fight to stay over Hermon and even then never fully played the game. She’s an eloquent speaker, has the best laugh I’ve ever heard, is humorous but also has a mean streak. She was one of the season’s mean girls at times & was quick to turn on people just because.
Even after Haleena explained why Tynesha had to go, Betty held a grudge. Despite, Hal committing as the FIRST ONE to tell her she had her vote (while her BFF Summer couldn’t offer the same) she turned on her the very next week. She was ready to cut Hal the following week & was planting lies about Hal to Jace right up to the time just before the triple. She won some big comps and was fun to watch & has a MASSIVE social following. Of the four she’s my least deserving winner (although Josh is almost aligned equally) but again, I wouldn’t hate her winning.
Kevin the mastermind villain:
Kev was the season’s self-appointed villain and was super fun to watch. My favorite part of this year was his one-on-one strategy convos with Hal. He also kept the house (and live feeders) entertained but following the triple eviction let the power trip go to his head and massively overplayed putting himself (and Haleena) in their current position.
I vacillate on who deserves the title the most and settle on Kevin being the 1B versus Haleena’s 1A for me simply b/c she was the glue to the Ghosts/Dummies and when he listened to her they fared much better. Every time he ignored Hal’s advice he put the Ghosts in jeopardy and his read of the hamsters was well off the mark in several instances compared to Hal.
Haleena the true mastermind & best manipulator:
So then there is Haleena who IMHO is the most deserving to win and the least likely to be crowned. She was the vote that confirmed Tynesha’s exit and readjusted the underdogs (read: not the cool kids) taking over control of the house.
It was Haleena NOT KEVIN who eventually got Marty to see the reason for putting up Hermon & also was the one to get him to recognize Jace/Gino WERE DEFINITELY going to back door him & Jace not using the secret POV was only to protect herself. We didn’t get to see all of that chat b/c feeds cut but during the part we did see Marty was annoyed AF at Kevin overselling to him being a legend so no one will convince me it wasn’t Hal who got him to see reason. Also the fact Marty feels the most burned by Hal in jury speaks to how much control she had over him.
She was also the one who went to Gino to expose all the information about the other side of the house during his first HOH when he had ZERO KNOWLEDGE. It re-aligned the Ghosts with the showmance and Marty — IMO that was the pivotal move of the season b/c until that point G was still in solid with Hermon/Moose but her intel allowed G to learn how Hermon had copious alliances all of which included T & Summer and most included Josh, Moose & Betty.
Granted the double with the odd safety chain can also be cited as the pivotal shift of the season – but more so in terms of how different the season would’ve been had the vote gone differently. Jace likely would’ve aligned with the Hermon/Moose/Summer side if Gino was cut while Jess would’ve remained aligned with Kevin, Marty, Haleena with Betty & Josh conveniently where he liked to always be IN THE MIDDLE.
Marty still wins the next HOH but would Josh/Betty have gone OTB — OR would he have been convinced to put up Jace & Moose (or some other combination)? It’s likely Hermon still gets backdoored but then who wins the next HOH that Gino won? We don’t know how Jess would’ve done in that comp & perhaps she would’ve won. Gino won with 8 correct answers but there was a five-place tie for second with Josh, Jace, Summer, Kevin & Betty all having seven questions correct.
Which means it would’ve gone to a tiebreak question and in the event Josh/Kev win they likely target Moose & I’m guessing Jace but if Summer, Betty, or Jace had won & given who voted out Gino I’m thinking it could’ve been any combination of Kev/Hal/Marty or Josh OTB but this was also the week that Hal won the POV & Jace found the secret POV. What we do know is only one of Hal/Kev would stayed OTB if they were nominated (Hal removes herself or Kevin if she wasn’t nominated). Too much to speculate about but it’s likely Kev/Hal remain safe & in the house. Marty/Josh being much more likely to be evicted that week & oh how different the game would’ve been in that scenario. But I digress — back to Haleena…
Her reads were always spot on – other than the occasional moment when her heart would interfere she navigated through the game with the best read in every room. She took a ton of negative energy from each of Summer, Betty and Jacey Lynne which was unfairly dished in her direction as if she was the only one doing something wrong.
Evidence of her ability to read the house – she aligned with the best competitors (Marty/Gino/Jace) & the best strategically (Kevin – ON DAY ONE), and the best socially positioned (Josh, Summer).
Other than being able to corral Kevin into not overplaying the ONLY mistake she made was not having Josh pre-plan to get Betty on board to take out Gino in the double. In fairness, perhaps she didn’t feel there was time & b/c the safety chain was such an outlier of a comp it would’ve been tough anyway.
Other than with Kevin and less so with Marty/Josh she was never overt in her game actions (& to an even lesser extent with Jess). In hindsight, if she had pulled Josh in to say we need to have Betty on board to take out Gino if a double is coming (which they did correctly project) it could’ve changed how this game played out. Even then it would’ve relied solely on Marty/Betty doing what the Dummies wanted.
Every season there are missed opportunities and that was one where the Ghosts should’ve had a trick up their sleeves ready in case of emergency – a lie or a plan in place to go to Moose or Summer and tell them they had to take out Gino b/c they KNEW FOR A FACT he was lying and they were his next target. If she had done that we might be talking about how Hal wins this game in a landslide.
It slightly annoys me she won’t be given a fair shot to win given how the jury views her & how anti-female the self-described female empowerment crusader Jace is. Also as an aside- it’s super annoying how Jace is STILL trying to sell the story that her & Gino decided she shouldn’t use the Special POV b/c if Marty left then they’d be the most exposed. STOP LYING JACE — you were NOT ALLOWED to share with anyone that you won the POV b/c if you did then you would’ve been evicted
That was part and parcel of winning the comp. We all saw on live feeds how she told him AFTER the POV ceremony while doing the spa session in the HOH room. I hate it when this sh*t happens & the fact not one of the interviewers is calling her out in her exit interviews for continuing to lie ticks me off.
The other really annoying aspect of Jace’s game is while she’s claiming she won’t be an emotional juror & plans on voting fairly out of one side of her mouth she’s telling Taran that Betty played the worst game of those in F4 but she then ranks her ahead of Haleena for who she’d vote to win – with Kevin, Josh, Betty & Haleena as her order from top to bottom. Even in her answers, she’s showing how biased and negative she is toward Hal. — I can’t.
POV has Kevin & Betty in worst positions to leave:
Now we’ll await the POV and based on the noms Kev/Haleena KNOW they have to win b/c they won’t trust Josh to keep them at all now. Kev is already whining/crying to Betty which won’t work IMHO. I think Josh took Hal to Wendy’s so I’m eager to find out if he tries to sell out Kevin in that meeting. Will Josh tell Hal that Kev has constantly worked to get out Hal at F3 & how he even discussed taking her out earlier? Or will he just Homer Simpson his burger?
What we’ve learned post meeting is he told Hal he didn’t want to be the one to break her streak.
If Josh or Betty win POV – Kevin will be evicted (& I’d be surprised if TPTB would want that result).
If Hal/Kev win POV it should also be an automatic that Betty is evicted. UNLESS Josh suddenly pulls out some major gameplay we’ve not been privy to this entire season & gets Hal to turn on Kevin. In truth – it might not be a bad move for her if she thought she could get Betty & Josh to both take her but she’s been so smitten by the Ghost alliance getting to the end I doubt even the most charming Josh could get her to switch things up.
Who do TPTB (the powers that be) want to win?
Soooooooooooo who do we think TPTB want to win?
There are equally compelling narratives to push — Do they want the first indigenous winner (Josh)? — The underdog (Betty)? Or the duo who controlled the game & were BB10’s best players to get there (The Ghosts – Hal/Kev)?
My desired outcome:
My preference would be Hal winning out which is highly unlikely to happen. The reason is I feel she played the best game & by winning F4 POV, and F3 two-parter HOH she would increase her chances, especially now that she’ll have the perfect never nominated storyline (b/c at F4 going up following POV isn’t a nomination).
My second choice would be Kevin I guess for the drama of the Dummies having to be in a house for what will likely be a highly intense last few days given how Josh turned on Kev (which is really not sitting well with him).
As much as this is Kevin’s just desserts – I mean come on the guy reveled in playing everyone so he sort of had this coming but I still want him in play at the end. I was going to say Josh third & Betty fourth as preferences but the truth is they are both equally fourth for me.
Barring some sudden shift (read: Kevin Martin goes to jury & upsells the amazing game Haleena played – (which also seems highly unlikely since TPTB hasn’t pushed for that with any of the evicted hamsters — and THEY DO PLANT INTEL WITH THEM) or Kevin getting evicted at F4 & up-selling how instrumental Hal was to this entire season I don’t actually see a way for her to win.
F2 selections:
If Josh picks…
Although the choices might seem cemented I’m not 100% sure that’s the case. In the event Josh selects & Kevin is in the house he takes either lady over him. If it’s between Hal & Betty given the current petty rampage he’s on it would seem like he would take Betty.
BUT… there is a world where he takes Haleena b/c he knows the votes of Summer/Moose/Hermon may go to Betty over him & also knows those people (other than Moose) weren’t that fond of Hal & treated her poorly. Plus he knows Gino/Jace would NEVER vote for Hal so she becomes the more compelling choice for him to take.
Add in the fact – I would expect Kevin to say on his way out the door I’ll be working the jury for you to win Betty (and Josh knowing how Kevin rolls might believe that).
If Betty picks…
It would be Josh versus one of Kev/Hal. Again it seems likely she sticks with Josh BUT again- I think there is the possibility Hal could make her see how Betty could beat her with Josh, Summer, Moose, Hermon, Jace & Gino’s votes guaranteed for her versus taking Josh and likely only getting Summer’s votes in that mix.
If Kev picks…
He takes Hal over Josh – every single time and since the only way Kevin gets to F2 is if he or Hal wins POV Betty wouldn’t be an option.
If Haleena picks…
Hal could arrive at F3 with Josh/Betty or with Josh/Kev. In the latter, she takes Kev every time (RIGHT?) & in the former, I’m pretty sure she takes Betty.
The bitter jury…
In terms of the locked votes, much will depend on “perception” but based on what the producers are telling the hamsters as they leave they’ve positioned Kevin as the mastermind & several of the hamsters are pissed at Josh so it favors Kev or Betty.
Marty is mad at Hal, G/Jace aren’t happy with any of the Dummies but Jace has Kev 1st, Josh 2nd, Betty 3rd & Hal 4th in her exit interviews SHOCKER. The fact that even after the GBM’s and producers feeding Jace intel that she would still put Betty above Hal is so obviously personal it’s annoying she’s trying to simultaneously spew she’ll be a fair juror. Just stop.
Moose/Hermon/Summer might be flexible b/c they were ticked at Josh & more open to the game Hal was playing & once again – the round table discussion could have a major impact, especially depending on who is hosting & who joins them as F4 evictee. If it’s Kevin he’ll TRASH Josh’s game & tell them he laid around doing nothing & his only input was to let the Ghosts do all the work until the triple then turned on them in the end.
I’d also expect Kevin to share with them how Josh called all the jurors stupid who only value comp wins & how he would laugh in rooms with Hal/Kev about cutting Summer/Betty and didn’t care at all he would break their hearts. That maybe could help Hal or Betty beat Josh (shrug).
Hermon, Moose, Gino are so into comps (and Jace) that they would be keen to reward which would lean to NOT voting for Kevin regardless & picking Josh. But producers were in Jace’s ear about Kev so that could play a factor & give Hermon/Moose/Summer all the reason they need to vote for Kevin – – which is more of a vote against Josh who they are all bitter about anyway.
Sadly, Jace, Summer, and Betty (if she’s there) would all likely vote for either man over Hal in spite of their female empowerment rhetoric.
In one of Jace’s exit interviews, she was already in jury & noted how bitter everyone still is & that the questions will be fire at the finale. While she said she would be a fair and impartial juror everything else she said showed otherwise as she’s definitely the most bitter toward Haleena. She cited Hal as the only person (beside Gino) she was close to so clearly she feels played by her. She also said with a look of disdain on her face that she thinks Hal will make it to F2 but she hopes it’s Josh & Kevin and wants Kevin to win.
For sure Jace has downloaded to the house that Josh was in the F3 with the Ghosts & let them know about the two alliances which will offer them all some insight into how things worked out in past weeks with Josh always being safe.
I think this intel hurts Josh the most & helps Kevin (he did tell them after all that he was there to cause chaos) and not sure if it improves Hal’s position. Also, b/c everyone is so bitter it might work to get Betty extra votes but I’m not sure if these jurors would reward good gameplay or punish it. Nor am I sure if the jurors would reward Betty for simply being in the lucky position of being BFFs with Josh b/c she truly didn’t (and still doesn’t) know what happened this season to get them to F4.
For now- we await feed’s return to see if we get any insight into the Wendy’s date between Josh/Hal & who won POV. Kevin wanted to study for four hours today but given the comp is happening tonight they won’t get that option (although Hal was in bed with her flour board when feeds were last on).
One thing that is working in the Ghost’s favor is Kevin KNOWS they need to study for things like each juror’s participation in events — things like did Jace win her second POV before or after Gino won his second HOH – which is almost a trick question b/c she won during Gino’s second HOH but it would be after technically. These aren’t questions I think Josh or Betty will think to have studied and while they might know the answers they probably don’t know them off the top of their head.
The problem is they’re playing POV tonight – so much will depend on how much they studied these facts prior to today OR how much can Hal/Kev study prior to the POV comp today & retain those facts?
We’re both aware that they have the houseguests make more than one gbm for each evictee, and they piece together what they want, so…
Production OBVIOUSLY wanted the Haleena message to be the harsh one.
I think it was season 7 where a couple of the houseguests said I hope they used the nice one, not the nasty one in reference to gbms.
What happens if…
My gut tells me TPTB will be gifting Kevin or maybe Haleena this POV. Because we know TPTB are likely to control this comp (individually timed). I honestly don’t see any scenario where one of the Ghosts doesn’t win b/c Kevin would leave if Josh or Betty wins no matter what & maybe I’m delusional but based on the edits that scenario seems like the last thing the producers would want.
Kevin should perform well in this regardless if it’s a typical F4 POV & I think Hal should as well b/c Kevin has been warning/prepping her for the types of questions to expect for weeks. I can’t imagine a scenario where TPTB don’t want Kevin in F3 & b/c they’ve shown so much of the Ghosts I think they’ll want both of them there so maybe it will be Hal winning (fingers crossed). I also think Kevin/Hal winning would offer production the most dramatic plot potential prior to heading to F3.
Things that could happen are Betty spilling Josh’s game & how he’s been saying Kevin played him the entire game? I’d assume we get Kevin completely outing Josh’s game & how he was aligned with Hal/Kevin the entire game & how Josh was laughing about putting her OTB and potentially losing her in the triple.
If this happens Josh has no one to blame but himself b/c he didn’t give Betty an iota of a heads up on the alliance or working with the Ghosts so he’s going to look super suspect to Betty at this point. Depending on the timing of when Kevin/Hal deliver this intel to Betty it could work in their favor — especially if they do it just prior to her leaving b/c there won’t be time for her to fix things with Josh and we’ll get petty Betty. She would end up going to jury feeling played by Josh b/c he tried to make her feel sorry for him & never was remotely forthcoming.
We’ve already got Moose, Hermon & Summer feeling a certain way about Josh but for him to play his BFF this way might go beyond the pale of forgiveness of the majority of the jurors.
I just don’t see any scenario if the Ghosts win POV that Kevin doesn’t blow up the Dummies to Betty & emphasizing Josh’s disregard for Betty & the numerous occasions Kev/Josh were in rooms laughing about Josh screwing over Betty. Because Kev always overplays situations he won’t be able to stop himself from trying to f*ck Josh’s game as she heads to jury & in this case, Haleena has TO LET HIM DO THAT.
For Haleena her download to Betty will be slightly different depending on whether she wins POV or Kevin does (assuming one of them win it). If she wins it she can be far more forthcoming telling Betty she’s always voted to keep her & kept it 100 with her but held back a few things that were essential to her game.
One would be the Ghosts (which she should keep back for her GBM) but she should out the Dummies noting she & Josh had both wanted Betty to be the F4 person with them. This is where she has to explain to Betty how her/Kevin aligned with Marty/showmance while Josh was on the other side so they could keep each other informed but based on how the comps went down it fell on Hal/Kev to do more work than Josh until the triple which was entirely planned out.
She needs to tell Betty working with Marty was a challenge b/c he didn’t always see reason so while they knew they were going to save Josh with Kev’s POV, she had to work Marty hard to put up Hermon & then work the showmance to vote him out instead of Betty. Likewise, she’ll need to say Kevin wasn’t as protective of Josh as she was b/c she was loyal to the Dummies & also Betty to get to F4 even though Betty was never made aware of it.
She also needs to tell Betty how hard she worked to try to keep them off the block in Marty’s final HOH but he refused to listen so when Betty saved herself she spent HOURS working Marty NOT to put up Kevin as it would’ve meant losing one of her F3 people. The best she could do was to get Marty to consider putting up the showmance which was a risk given he chose to do it with Gummy Bears but worked out in their favor.
And she should play a bit to Betty’s heart by saying look it’s hard to separate emotion from mind & even though Josh said he wasn’t going to talk to you when you won HOH right after the triple I was the one telling both of you to fix your relationship b/c you love each other.
The other thing I think she should push to Betty is how the trio would sit in the “?’ room & Josh/Kevin would laugh about how Haleena was the one taking all the heat from the other ladies in the house for the Dummies moves. She should also say Josh ALWAYS knew what was going on b/c she kept him in the loop.
Now the twist—
B/c of how much Kevin has navigated to position himself better with everyone in the house over Haleena I have to say if she could pull in Betty & get her to see why they have to take each other to F2 & how the guys literally laughed at both of them & used them they need to take each other to the end. Personally, I think if Haleena wins POV she has to consider cutting Kevin. Yeah, it’s a heartless move but it could be what wins her the game especially if Hal was convinced Josh knew he couldn’t beat Betty & that Betty also saw that.
Even though Kevin would be heartbroken he would still advocate for Hal to win the game over Josh IMHO b/c he would want one of the Ghosts to win. I doubt it happens (b/c TPTB won’t want that outcome) but it would sure be one of the most iconic moves in the history of BB.
While veto is playing i’m doing some thinking.
Josh said earlier the only reason he’s still in the game is because of a gummibear.
Think way back.
Week three. an argument can be made that Haleena giving warning to Josh is what set the ball rolling in the creation of the alliance to keep him. Sure as heck Hermon didn’t say a word, and he knew for 1/2 a day. the vote would have been the 6-5 vote Hermon wanted setting up a totally different house dynamic. Who even knows what side of the 6-5 Josh would have been on for sure. Haleena playing indecisive and Kevin flipping Marty guaranteed that Josh was staying and the house dynamic shifted. Not a gummibear.
Week six. Kevin saves Josh with veto after the Ghosts convince Marty that he will lose Kevin or Haleena if Hermon isn’t taken out of the game. Would Josh have been safe without veto use if that hadn’t happened? If Kevin had played it safe, Josh or Betty would be gone as of week 6. Not a gummibear.
So… sure, give all the credit to the gummibear. sideye. Without the gummi, the nom choices were either Kevin or Jace in Marty’s head. Another dynamic shift. If Jace, Josh still would have been fine. If Kevin, are we certain how the vote would have fallen? Interesting question, right? Would Gino and Jace have kept the five or gone off with their secondary alliances? the Honeybunch Summer thing or their ceasefire final 4 with Josh and Betty. There’s a thought for you. The final four would have been a different show for sure though. He should be thankful for the gummibear, but realize he most likely stayed anyway.
So sure… put it all down to the gummi. SIdeye. More of that Role Model no blood on these hands and I don’t owe anybody anything crap. HUGE EYEROLL.
If Josh were more of a camtalker, and actually OWNED his game, I wouldn’t have these issues. I have to go from what he says to others. What he’s saying to others is pissing me off.
Another thought.
I do laugh my head off when someone makes Kevin’s head spin because hey, watching him spin for a day is fun (four days is too much spinning and gives me vertigo).
But that’s not the thought.
There was something that kept occurring this season. I classify is as a part of entitlement.
How many times did a nominee say I’m not even going to campaign to insert name?
Every time I heard it (and it was enough to actually take note), my brain said, so you don’t want to stay? Are you too good for that particular vote?
This is the same house that took umbrage with non unanimity. Remember that? Jess and Jay didn’t vote with the house week one: see, they aren’t one of us. Completely useless rogue votes? happened more than once and it was such a big deal…. AND YET, the same people that thought the vote should be unanimous were often the same ones saying I’m not campaigning to blank, I don’t care if they vote for me.
Another superior / inferior big brother class struggle for the season that had me rolling my eyes.
Veto just crossed the four hour mark. so… they are half way through the second member of the final four running the course? Yeah, this is typically the BIG comp of the season that usually combines a physical aspect with knowledge of events.
If I remember correctly, this is the comp in season 7 where a couple of the finalists maxed out on time because they never bothered to learn their days (one because he directly stated he didn’t HAVE to). This is the comp where Brittni tanked because every time someone told her to study her days she rolled her eyes like she had something better to do, and proceeded to lay around doing absolutely nothing. This is the comp that no amount of holding his breath and threatening to quit could propel Keifer to a win. Then again, last season this comp was done on three different sets and they tried to make it look like it was seamless when it took them 12 hours. mmhmm.
Now that Josh is safe no matter what to f3… will he consider throwing this comp so that he doesn’t send someone claiming yet another backstab to the jury round table? That’s LIKELY what happens if he wins this comp. will keep checking for until the comp hits 6 hours (if it hits six hours), and report back with a result.
Okay. when i was saying that I would be happy if anyone won… there’s something i have to completely disregard in order to make that completely true. That Damn d/r gremlining at final 5. Yes, there was gremlining with Marty’s noms that made Kevin look more like a mastermind. But, that’s not the same as illuminating for a final 5 contender that they are being played, and sending them out into the house with that knowledge they didn’t come to through their own game instincts. Anyone wanting to argue but she said she came to that conclusion on her own the night before needs to remember she was still 100% in with her final 3 with Kevin and Hal, and still saying Jace or Josh going is fine and best for her game in her last camtalk about a couple of hours before the infamous d/r session that had her hurriedly grab Josh and give him the same storyline direction.
So if they win, I’ll always have that little voice in the back of my mind saying they were snowed until production ploughed their brains out, and that will always make me think… so they couldn’t even strategize for themselves and because of THAT d/r i’ve had to listen to 6 days of sanctimonious revisionist history from the ‘moral people’ that had no problem with dirty play when it saved their asses multiple times. Grrreeeeeat. So I’ll be happy if anyone wins…. as long as i disregard those damn monkeys in d/r hand holding and spoon feeding stategic awareness to 2 of the final 4. Grade three smiling and shaking my head and telling myselff I can brain drain that…. sure i can. (BUT I SHOULD NEVER HAVE TO).
6AM BBT FEEDS RETURN FOR ONE SECOND (no really)
cam 1 betty asleep in bed
cam 2 haleena asleep in bed
20 seconds later cams return in HOH on cam 3 and 4. nightcam.
Josh awake. filling water pouring a drink. snacking. putting on earbuds.
looking at pictures. NOT TALKING. listening to music.
Mumbling.
I THINK JOSH WON VETO BUT DON’T QUOTE ME.
I think i heard the words ‘take him off’ and then a minute later ‘take Betty off.’
About seven minutes of staring into camera and ice clinking in glass. about 10 seconds of mumbling, more clinking of ice and slurping, then about 5 seconds of mumbling. SO REALLY, DON”T QUOTE ME.
Cams switch back to one and two. sleeping Hal and Betty.
Meh. I’ll find out for sure later.
Going back to bed.
Any update on the veto winner ?
JOSH WON POV!
If you got up early to check the feeds and witnessed Josh up by himself and thought hmmmm that’s weird WHEN has Josh EVER been the first one up? You aren’t alone.
But upon learning later that he won POV suddenly it makes sense b/c now he has to backstab one of his main alliances.
Another Name has better hearing than me b/c I couldn’t make anything out.
Aside from Josh potentially saying “I take him off” (Kevin) “I take her off” (Betty) social media also had someone think they heard him say “Betty and I’ve been in a secret thing”
He also went to Expedia looking to find Betty (she wasn’t there).
If we follow this path it would seem like he intends to take Betty off the block so she can be the one to backstab (not him). BUT he’s going to get dirty regardless b/c of how he set this up.
First, he’s told Haleena he won’t put her OTB b/c he doesn’t want to ruin her “never nominated record” and while technically she isn’t being nominated b/c she’s the default player remaining he’d still be breaking his word to her.
Second, he’s told the CTD he’s still F3 with them & Kevin that he’s his F2 so the ONLY reason to take Betty off the block is to F the Dummies and specifically Kevin.
Third, if he actually says “Betty and I had a secret thing” THAT is going to require Betty to lie as well since they never made a F2 and never had a secret deal — this is a new invention from Josh & his actions at the triple (and in the DR) prove his only true alliance was to the Dummies. Plus – if he actually had a secret F2 Betty then why the F doesn’t she know about the CTD?
Hey – look if he wants payback (PETTY) for last week then just own it, buddy.
So — Hal & Kevin are planning to pull Betty aside a half hour prior to the vote and telling her everything about the Dummies (in case she is the one going to jury – but also to sink Josh in case she is the one staying— while neither one of them is saying it you can tell they think Josh is going to pull Betty off the block). How will Betty deal with learning this information? And if Josh then says “we had a secret thing” but never told her about the Dummies will she shift from thinking Kevin was the evil genius to believing the same about Josh?
Fwiw – if Betty were to win the Final HOH I don’t think she would take Josh over Hal b/c she knows she won’t beat him. Josh even told her BEFORE he won these last 2 comps that they BOTH beat Kevleena.
So the fact Josh is up stress eating is b/c he finally has to do something and will be marred by that action b/c his INITIAL desire is to cut Kevin who he’s most worried about beating him (and that’s probably a correct assessment).
So look – Kevin had this coming – of that there is no doubt. Kevin really overplayed last week saying things to Betty he shouldn’t have (unless he was going to follow through & cut Josh). When she made up with Josh he learned all about it. But Kevin isn’t in this position for those reasons – he’s in this position b/c TPTB SUNK HIS GAME.
I noted last week that when the Gremlins called Betty into the DR and her sudden “Kevin is a mastermind devil” epiphany occurred it was the first time I recalled production blatantly interfering with the player most likely to win the game at that stage of the game. It was why I sort of expected TPTB to gift either Kevin or Haleena the POV win. And STILL, I’m shocked production would go out of their way to ruin Kevin’s game & essentially take $100k (or $20k at worst if the jury was bitter). Of note: apparently Kevin went first in the POV challenge but got sick (his abdomen locked up??? – was it those pork chops? – YIKES).
Of note – Kevin was second in the HOH comp (they had to put balls in holes for the specific dates something happened & it sounds like the instrument they used favored Josh b/c of the sheer size & weight of it). POV sounds like it was a maze & Haleena was second. So of course the duo is second guessing this morning if they would then have been HOH/POV if they’d kept Jace instead of Josh.
Josh has looked at the jury votes prior and worried (out loud) that Betty could beat him so I do think his preference is to take Haleena as he believes the jury won’t value her run of staying off the block. I think that assessment is wrong – but he might be right about picking Hal since no one seems to value Hal’s game.
The question is if he screws Kevin, and then Betty to take Hal how that will be perceived. If Kevin tells them he made up a last-minute F2 with Betty to evict him & then he also cuts Betty he’ll be positioning himself as someone who was loyal to no one.
Factor in Kevin will be telling them all how Josh just sat back making fun of all the jurors, admitted to throwing comps, laughed at how gullible they all were & how all he had to do was flirt with them & act like he cared about their personal stories for them to offer him F2 deals he had no intention of honoring AND called them all stupid b/c all they care about is comp wins — HOW will that go over?
Again, Kevin did this to himself by overplaying and YES he did get the major shaft by Production b/c Betty NEVER comes to the conclusion she did last week about Kevin if the Gremlins didn’t interfere. For Hal to be cut now it would also mean the producers have stepped in and demanded an about face from both Betty & Josh which would make THEM look like idiots.
If Kevin is indeed the evictee he’ll work that jury hard to turn them in favor of Haleena who seems very much like a lock to go to F2 at this point.
Like Another Name, I’m annoyed by this shift to Josh’s self-righteous hero stance especially when he’s been as cutthroat & evil as Kevin if not more so – the difference being Josh REFUSES to own it. I urge you to go back & watch his face during the triple when Summer & Betty are either screaming or crying to him & note his lack of empathy or remorse — he could give two F’s.
Josh’s lone strategy from what I can decipher was to flirt with people & throw comps until the end knowing he’d likely sweep the final comps as long as Gino & Hermon (Jace) were gone b/c he’s an athlete.
I found his arrogance annoying and I didn’t like the pettiness (entitlement – I’m allowed to treat you a certain way but don’t you dare treat me like that – with Kevin this past week being the perfect example).
WHILE I WAS WRITING — THIS HAPPENED…
Josh got clarification from DR & now realizes he isn’t the person evicting he’s “choosing who gets to come to F3” Which of course Josh is spinning so it makes him look like he’s not the bad guy.
Betty went to see Josh & gave him her speech – didn’t earn her way – he shouldn’t feel obligated to take her b/c she didn’t earn it – friendship means more to her than the game & respects his decision- cool with whatever choice he makes – would vote for him if she’s in jury- MIRRORED HIS GAME PLAY – HONESTY- AUTHENTICITY, PLAYING WITH HEART (yikes). She tells Josh she’s never lied to him (LIE) and promises to take him to F2 (I don’t believe she would, especially once she learns about the Dummies)
His response – No matter what we’ll always be friends, and I do really want to sit beside you at F2. He emphasizes he isn’t the one evicting he is only choosing who gets to come to F3 with him & if he gives her the POV (removes her) then SHE has to decide. She tells him she will do whatever he wants. He also says he feels she’s the only one who has been real with him the entire game.
Instead of pushing for him to do that she goes on a spiel about advocating for him in the jury (WHY Betty – why?).
Josh says I need to keep thinking & I definitely have an idea of what I’m doing which I will feel very good about. He does say he feels she’s been very honest in this game & does sort of imply she is who he will save.
The question is whether he looks at her as being the only one who can potentially beat him (underdog/popular in jury) and the fact she really pushed being his advocate if in jury & would vote for him OR if he takes her commitment to take him to F2 as more valuable.
His final comment is “if I do save you – would you be willing to go over with me who we keep for it to help both our games” Ummm Josh do you not realize there won’t be time to discuss it b/c you select who comes off the block & then that person IMMEDIATELY votes someone out. He also asks who she is leaning toward cutting – she says Kevin. Josh tells Betty Kevin would take her F2 over him & Betty STUPIDLY tells him Hal would take her too & told her that.
Betty admits to telling both Kevin & Hal she would take them to F2 but she was lying. (that’s another out for Josh if he wants). Josh responds so basically everyone is saying they would take everyone.
They discuss pros & cons briefly of Kev/Hal with Betty pushing for Kev to go while Josh notes Hal’s close performance in comps but NOT liked by the jury whereas Kevin has masterminded. Josh tells Betty someone told me you are definitely NOT taking me & she asks who – Josh won’t say (but Betty guesses Kevin).
Kevin also jumped on Josh coming out of DR & is telling him both Hal/Betty will cut him (man Kev at least you’re consistent — if not very desperate).
Josh tells Kevin he’s not sure who has a better chance of winning between Betty/and Haleena – my guess is Kev will push Betty based on 5x’s on the block, two big comp wins, loved by jury (friends in there) & the underdog.
I didn’t get to see this whole convo & also didn’t get a chance to go back & watch it before they went off air.
So here’s my tin foil spin — with Josh’s arrogance & the DR Gremlins keeping him in there for quite some time there is a potential for Josh to let Hal or Kev decide who stays … WHY? B/c production’s storyline has been about the Ghosts most of the season (never Josh & never Betty until late in the season) with Kevin being the guy featured in most episodes.
Plus — evicting Hal makes no sense for Betty to do instead of Kevin – even TPTB would have a hard time editing that to make sense.
The main reason I also believe Josh would go along with that choice is he probably thinks he can win out over anyone now (that arrogance remember) so it doesn’t matter who he keeps & if he lets Hal cut Betty the blood is on her hands.
Of course if I’m Haleena I’d probably consider evicting Kevin (LOL) as long as I knew Josh & Betty were taking me – it would be the biggest move of the season. Doubtful Hal would ever do it but I’d be more impressed by her doing it than Betty (for Josh).
AND they go off air — Arisa has called them to the living room – She tells them “in less than an hour the F4 will become the F3 – welcome to our special eviction”.
The question is – are they immediately going into the eviction? OR do they have some time to prepare for this (ie – last minute talks). If the latter – my guess is Kevin jumps on Josh first even though he already spoke to him & Haleena also needs to talk to him – I’d also expect while Haleena is talking to Josh for Kevin to spill all the Dummies intel to Betty.
Stay tuned….
VETO RESULT
JOSH WON VETO
CONJECTURE
A social media sleuth apparently with better sound than me apparently says that Josh plans to lie and say he had a secret duo alliance with Betty all game long to justify his move. Their official deal is 6 days old, tops. But since Josh had a final 2 with everyone in week one, maybe he can jigger logic out of that with some editing help.
AM
Social Media didn’t seem to know at all who won. I was don’t quote me but pretty sure Josh won when i went back to sleep, so didn’t rush because I figured the dude isn’t going to start communicating now to the cams, so why rush until everyone is awake and someone actually says it out loud.
Kevin plans to tell Josh he’ll cut Hal but also plans to tell Josh Hal will suck at the trivia.
He told this to Hal.
Josh went to expedia looking for Betty. Betty was still in bed.
Kevin went fist in veto. Remember that porkchop I said was dangerous looking?
Kevin got sick during veto. Went straight to bed.
Haleena came in second in veto from the sound of it.
Hal isn’t even sure if Josh would keep her over Betty (never told Kevin was a possible target).
Not even 100% sure Josh actually wants to go to the end with Betty given some of the comments he made about the jury.
Josh says he slept great in HOH… to the 2 people that never were HOH. passive aggressive?
Betty isn’t even sure Josh would keep her over Kevin and Hal. (Josh’s communication skills REALLY SUCK).
See what I said about Josh’s lack of communication we all thought was strategic? Starting to think he’s just a thought hoarder.
Kevin sings they fuqed up keeping Josh. Gee, I’m pretty sure Jace would have won at least one of those comps considering. Where they actually screwed up? LOL… don’t kill me, but the actual error was probably the triple.
Josh… might still be under the impression he is the vote.
Betty plotting out her talk with Josh ‘whatever you plan to do is okay.’
THEY KNOW TODAY IS POV CEREMONY.
Everyone is chilling and nobody has apparently EVER watched a season to KNOW there isn’t a POV ceremony at 4. It’s an eviction.
Kevin to HOH
Kevin gets to Josh before Betty. He’s saying both Betty and Hal will cut Josh, but Kevin wouldn’t. (fresh out of his d/r and looking for Josh while Betty still sits in her usual expedia spot).
Josh now knows he’s not voting (thank you earlier d/r).
Josh is saying if Betty goes Summer is more pissed. If Hal goes she might poison jury or might not.
Kevin is trying to convince Josh not to use the veto. Kevin gone is worse for Josh.
Kevin says Josh WILL win one of the first 2 parts of final HOH more easily if Betty goes.
Josh asks why it’s better to cut Betty (ED. MY PITCH WOULDA BEEN: this jury broke alliances constantly, but valued loyalty… so being disloyal to the alliance is actually worse than cutting a friend is my answer… but that’s just my take on this jury). JOSH doesn’t know how the final 3 HOH works. Kevin explained it.
Kevin says Josh wouldn’t be evicting Betty, Haleena would as the vote.
Kevin says he’d be flattered if Josh sent him home (1 comp win, invisible game blahblahblah).
Josh keeps saying something switched in Betty over the last 2 weeks.
Josh says he didn’t backstab anyone, they just made false assumptions that he was closer to them than he was (oh ffs… HERE we go with a preview of I was a good boy role model hero game bullshit he’ll tell the press).
Kevin called to D/R.
THE BIG ERROR LAST WEEK that is determining A LOT of the thought process this week??? Kevin’s internal Chaos Waffle Buffet for FOUR DAYS. They should have decided once, and that’s it. Like Haleena wanted when they shook hands the first time. Kevin’s boredom and need for entertaining himself while not in danger. That’s what they have to overcome NOW.
Betty to HOH.
Betty gives Josh the I’m okay if you decide to get rid of me opening. sideye.
Betty says she wants to sit next to Josh at final 2. Josh says he wants to sit final 2 with Betty, he’s not sure if the others have been real with him, but Betty has (ed. except when she lied and said Kevin was in her ear about noms and she was undecided until then…. she camtalked before that happened). Betty tells Josh she will advocate for him in the jury.
Betty tells Josh if she is removed from the block she will make the best move for them going into the final 3.
Josh feels really good about his decision.
IF Josh uses veto on Betty, is she willing to let him have some say in her decision? Dude seems to think they get a day or two after pov… it’s done on the spot.
Betty says Kevin is more dangerous, they can beat Haleena even though she is better at comps than Kevin. Josh agrees.
Josh learns everyone is lying to each other about who they would take to final 2…. but Betty isn’t lying to Josh. They think Kevin is lying about having no connections to the jury.
Josh is telling Betty that Kevin said she wouldn’t take him to finals.
Betty admits to saying anything she had to say to get further in the game ( ED. that started last week, not 10 weeks ago dear and another but i’m not lying now).
Betty wants Josh to represent the season, if he decides to cut her, she sings his praises to the jury.
They are undecided who to evict because Kevin sucks at comps, but gut says evict Kevin.
Haleena has been doing better in comps than Kevin.
TERA was not allowed to say who she would used Veto on last season if you are wondering why JOSH the incommunicative hasn’t just SAID. Betty is sorta saying she will evict whoever Josh wants.
JOSH never said for SURE who he wants evicted. His thought process was HAL because of her comp performance in veto, but his petty side still wants KEVIN out.
Kev/Hal
Kevin tells Hal if he is voted out today, make sure he is NOT voted out of Jury ala season 3 Parhar. Kevin would want Hermon voted nullified.
Arisa time. 2pm BBT. (nailed that hunch). Everyone runs to living room.
Eviction is in less than an hour. FEEDS CUT.
GUT THEORY
NO evidence. Just my assessment:
Josh tells Betty he wants Haleena cut.
If he’s being strategic:
He thinks both Betty and Kevin could / would take him to f2.
He thinks he and Betty can both beat Kevin in the final 3 comps (even though he doesn’t know what the comps are really).
It guarantees him final 2 in his head.
If he’s being heart over head:
He still feels closer to Kevin knowing Kevin lied to him than he does Haleena.
If he’s listening to prodo:
she’s got 50 d/r everyone else has closer to 100.
Josh/Betty were full-on cutting Kevin since the DR Gremlins ruined his game last week. It’s ONLY this morning after (SHOCKER) a lengthy DR that Josh seemed to be leaning toward Hal.
Up until today he said Hal not going OTB isn’t a big deal – jury won’t care b/c she never had to fight to save herself, jury doesn’t like her & she can’t beat me in the trivia comps (that’s true it’s Kevin who has performed better in those comps – & if he gets to Part 3 I think he can beat Josh whereas Hal gets flustered & likely would lose).
Since he seemed to shift in his last chat we saw with Betty I think DR is pushing him to keep Kev but he doesn’t want to keep both Hal/Kev which means Hal has to go.
Ticks me off The Powers That Be got involved at F5 to ruin the Ghosts chances of reaching F2 when they were the best players this season. It’s one thing to stick their noses in during the season but to do it this late is really shocking.
Imagine being locked in a house for close to 3 months having played the best game & then production blows up your chances of winning $100k but hey here’s $500/week for your trouble. I’d be PISSED!
Grab a coffee, sit back, and ponder this:
TINFOIL HAT CHAT
Way i saw it:
so the guy in the first named alliance also in the first big alliance that had safety week one and is a new protocol to Kassting inclusion wet dream (lgbt native but also black professional… come on a pediatrics resident?) quickly bombed in d/r and proved too passive to carry a storyline…. enter Kevin to keep him safe with help from Haleena. So Kevin gets his mastermind villain edit he wanted in his intro with social cue reader Haleena’s aid… until it’s time for the third act.
For Haleena’s part i’m convinced she was meant to be evicted before jury, but my theory Jess wanted out caused prodo to alter the plan, and could that have involved a condition? Maybe.
Back to the crux:
But how to clean up any role model image damage…. oh we need a patsy to get all the responsibility for every disloyal or dirty move Josh made? Call Kevin in here and tell him to flip the vote countless times (explains Kevin’s upset moment after leaving d/r where he says he’s not here to make tv he’s here for the money, all while crying), then call in Betty to give her the scoop on Kevin’s game so that any spillage or seepage of dirty game can be taken off the role models’ shoulders and leveled on the guy that WANTS the villain edit.
SO now the villain has what he wants, the role model can claim cleanly game…
Is there any way we can keep BOTH to finale? Was that a condition agreed to when approaching Kevin to tank himself inexplicably? Call Josh into d/r, let’s see what we can do before we roll the executive producer’s tape. Can’t promise anything, it’s a bit late after the last gremlining to undo it…. he isn’t exactly Marty, we can’t dangle his meds and a gummibear.
I mean… This is bbcan. It’s reality entertainment programing with a pseudo gameshow format framework.
Is ANY of that IMPOSSIBLE knowing what we know about how the program works?
I mean how many times did Spicy V say this program is totally real and nothing is faked like she was reading a proof of life script in her own abduction?
HEAVY SIGH TIME
AT LEAST they didn’t go full on KevinRobertMartin and Johnny or KevinRobertMartin and William or Tychon and Breydon mode in the straight guy manipulates the gay houseguest because lgbt means they can’t think logically everything is about sex trope.. though they flirted with it.
AND at the very least we didn’t have a Schlumpy Eeyore tries to get Chelsea drunk to get some while she’s incapacitated moment… or the Schlumpy Eeyore refuses to use blood veto on Keira because Keira wouldn’t showmance and put out moment…. or any of the Jed and Keifer call Austin a bitch and plot evicting her for days because Jed’s horny and Austin said no moments.
At least we didn’t have a Chelsea agreed to showmance at casting, then changed her mind but we already showed Adam her pic and he was into it… what good is she, cut her inclusion in storyline and evict her moment.
And thank your local deity, At least we didn’t have a Willow whispering and writing on hands that casting told her to play straight and make eyes at Zac moment.
Man, this show really has a history when it comes to some pretty dark disturbing socio-sexual underbelly.
LOOK NOW I”M SHRUGGING TIME
But I think I’ve been pretty good until the last little while about being my usual cynic. I mean remember my COUNTLESS rants about Keifer and production, d/rmokeys, and edit manipulation? Seriously, I practically Linda Blair’d my screen in exorcist mode EVERY time he went to d/r to threaten to quit, then got his way after feed cut upon feed cut. Let alone the happy clown mastermind edit for episodes. oh those were twilight zone meets Ripley’s believe it or… nope we made that shit up.
CAN YOU BELIEVE IT’S FINALE AND MY NOPE LIST DIDN’T REALLY HAPPEN THIS TIME?
Ohhhhhhh SO close SO many times, but i decided to be good and nice and (hugest eyeroll EVER) oh so booooooorrring. I’m not even sure if I actually NOPED Marty… and if ever a horse’s ass needed a gooooood noping. Did I nope him? See, that’s how bad it is…. I don’t even KNOW if I noped him. (throws hands up in disgust at myself).
Who got real close to noping: Marty, Hermon, Jace, Jay and Kyle together because that particular feed block really pissed me off. Oh, and…. shhhh… I almost noped Summer one or four times (don’t tell twitter, those Summer stans… oy fukkety vey).
So much abstinence and delayed gratification… pretty much a NOPELESS season… damn i should be noped for failing to nope. (sneering singsong voice) Next time I try to be nice for a whole season somebody REALLY needs to stop me. Oh wait, is that why my posts under my usual name were blocked? Hahaha… did I get reported to the Nope authority and just kept right on posting? Yes it took me three or four days to notice.
One last thing:
remember every single one of Betty’s moral outrages about lying? Did you catch her talk with Josh where she said she’s been saying whatever she needs to say to stay in the game? Where’s her pearl clutching and screaming now? Oh. riiight, only really EVER applied to others as much as the whole honest to a fault label was adhered to her (who gave Betty that gluestick?). Seriously, a good lie in big brother is wonderful. A sanctimony stick up a houseguest’s ass… not so wonderful.
Hunch 2
Again, pure conjecture:
Betty would prefer to get rid of Kevin.
She’s petty.
Does Betty do what Josh wants her to do, or what her pettiness dictates and get rid of the one her d/r has been calling the evil mastermind of the season?
Does KEVIN mention the Dummies in his speech, outing that Josh has again been lying to Betty?
He should. But….
Was wondering precisely the same thing… They have an hour to get ready (dressed/pack/do quick pitch talks) & then do the eviction so it’ll be chaotic for sure.
The main question is does Josh want to blindside (Kev or Hal -assuming that’s where he’s going) OR does he want to soften the blow & let them know?
After lengthy Josh DR this AM it seemed Josh had shifted to keep Kev (TPTB making up for screwing his game last week? – so now they’ll just screw Hal I guess).
Kevin FOR SURE spews esp if he’s the one cut – he’ll out CTD F3, likely tell Betty he laughed about nominating/evicting her, & I think he’ll tell Betty that he isn’t the villain of BB10 – Josh is. It’ll just be a steady stream of things Josh has told him that won’t sit well with Betty & will send Josh running for the kitchen.
Unfortunately, I doubt Hal does anything negative – Still, I hope she says Josh good luck on your finale speech – not sure how you explain your strategy of laying on your back while Kev & I did all the work to ensure our F3 Crash Test Dummy was safe- but hey nice to know the one & only time you had to repay my loyalty you ‘Fd me – I’ll be sure to let the jury know your strategy was to appeal to our hearts but neglected to say you don’t have one.
I also envision Kevin being Kevin (if he stays)- where he’ll start laughing & talking publicly about what a villain Josh is for F*cking over Hal – calling him an assassin, a villain, heartless, that he could screw one of the Crash Test Dummies at F4 is mind-blowing. It’ll make Josh super uncomfortable but with him trying to push this holier than thou hero edit and to be frank -he’s gets no sympathy from me. He SHOULD have told Betty about the CTD & said – they turned on me obviously – the fact he didn’t tell her might give whoever stays out of the Dummies a shot at her taking them instead if she has the choice.
Because I didn’t see all of the Josh/Kevin chat & the feeds are done for the season I went to social to get people’s takes.
Most thought Josh was SUDDENLY leaning to keep Kevin & Betty NOT Haleena & Betty which is where he was forever — so yeah if that’s the case for sure production got in his ear.
He was really pushing Betty on whether she would work with him to do what was best for “their games” READ: HIS GAME.
Kevin was the one who told Josh that Betty was lying through her teeth & has NO INTENTION of taking Josh to F2 & he pushed how she could beat Josh in the F2.
Josh told Kevin if I cut Betty than Summer will be even madder & if I cut Haleena she’ll be really upset. (slip of the tongue by Josh – b/c he’s NOT cutting anyone although saving Betty to make the cut is essentially the same thing so apples – oranges)
The issue for Josh is Kevin wants to evict Betty & she wants to evict Kevin – however Betty would likely acquiesce to do what Josh wanted & I’ll be mega pissed if it’s Hal but oh well – that’s the Gremlins for you.
Ultimately, Josh believes he can beat either Hal or Kevin in a F2 and isn’t sure he can beat Betty. The issue for Josh is he doesn’t trust Kev or Hal to take him to F2 over each other (or Betty) but believes Betty will (WILL SHE?).
But again – his arrogance will make him believe he wins out although some of his comments to Betty suggested he’s a bit concerned Hal could beat him in a comp – so funny to me you’re saying this to someone & never saying “beat us” so he doesn’t think Betty can win anything.
The problem with Josh’s thinking here is it’s actually Kevin who is better at trivia than Hal so in the 3-part finale there is the likelihood of Josh winning part 1 endurance then Kevin (or Hal) beating Betty in part 2. If he keeps Kevin I could see him beating Josh in P3 – not so sure about Hal being able to do that. So if Josh (via Production) pushes Betty to keep Kevin it could be a game losing decision.
How does the season rank?
tbh:
if season five and season three had a baby and left it to be raised by season 6 and d/r, but told it not to do anything wildly entertaining when d/r isn’t looking… that would be this season.
i’m happy they’ve changed the storyline enough that i’m not sure of winner (though week one still told me likely josh in terms of the formula points they did answer).
as a result of bbcan9 and bb23, social media thought every season will be black v. white and every poc should side black and be happy to stand at the door when it’s their time to go.
I give the season a better rating than 6 (my absolute worst ranked season, i even put 8 above it and that was a dumpster fire before covid)… but it tried too hard, and had too much feed blockage even for bbcan to rate it in my top 5 of canada seasons.
The episode edit of the season was actually one of the most biased and unrealistic compared to feeds i’ve seen in canada.
Better answer for you, Simon.
Remember in season 7 when everyone was Hunting for spoilers for whether Anthony voted out Adam or Schlumpy? I mean, HUGE spoiler chase.
Yeah we didn’t get that.
Remember in season 9 when everyone was sure that Keifer was going, and there was a massive spoiler hunt to see who won part one and part 2 of HOH?
Yeah, we didn’t get that either.
So, judging by the lack of people running around like headless chickens trying to get any scoop????
Not so good.
OH.
BTW. THE ARISA TIME:
TAPED not LIVE.
How can you tell?
The timed pauses between her statements. for reactions.
Didn’t do that last season.
Last moments:
Hal to Josh / Betty coming down the stairs: pleasekeepmepleasekeepmepleasekeepme.
Remember last year when Tera had a full talk with all three before the cams went out…. we even got that HORRIBLE Keifer pitch: Keep me because the whole jury will vote me to win, then sulking and being borderline belligerent as he was wont to do when he didn’t get his way? Cams stayed on for that, and her talk with HOH Ty, and her talk with Breydon. Interesting.
I still say Hal is the more obvious evictee from the edit standpoint.
I do say Kevin is the more obvious evictee from Betty and Josh’s perspective (and let’s be honest, he’s the better choice to evict given the jury).
I do say if Josh wants to keep his role model keeps his word stuff… he’s pooched because EVERYONE has his word at this point.
Chance Josh leaves noms the same: almost zero unless there’s an hour long Dummies strong push after cams go down.
Chance Josh saves Betty: far geater than saving Kevin.
Thought – by letting Kevin go first in the POV comp TPTB were setting it up for him to win (usually the winners go first while the last one to play typically has the worst score from sitting around getting tired).
But it sounds like Kevin got super sick during the comp – his stomach locked up – he referred to it as his abdomen ceasing & perhaps there was no way for production to BS & say he won. He also made it sound like he left the comp & went straight to bed and says he’ll explain more when he’s out (not to be gross but perhaps he threw up or had a case of diarrhea). Sure sounds like he got really sick (blame those damn pork chops they weren’t sure if had gone off that Josh made – lol).
Still – I’m surprised by the POV outcome – Josh was NEVER a player TPTB touted & Betty only really got in the mix late in the season. Of the 4 it was Kevin who got the most exposure in the national show & was one of two (Haleena) of the literal best players this season.
I feel bad if Hal is the one who gets cut b/c TPTB first messed with Kevin last week & therefore helped Betty & Josh while if they interfere again this week (which seems to be happening) the person I feel played the best game is the one who’ll get shafted (Haleena) & b/c she isn’t beloved in the social feeds she likely won’t even win the $10k which Kev or Betty at least have a shot at winning.
Overall it was a good season +I never got to a place of disliking a hamster to the degree I have in other seasons. Like Another Name, I also enjoyed that the self-anointed “cool kids” didn’t rule the season & instead the cast-offs were the ones who held the power.
That’s not to say there weren’t times when the hamsters got on my nerves or did some annoying things – – like
But when you’re being filmed 24-7 there is going to be something about everyone that annoys us. Overall, I really did like this cast – once again very much likely tied to the fact the Ghosts ran the show & kept things competitive and exciting.
Sadly, it’s unlikely the Ghosts both get through this F4 eviction so my hope for them to both reach F2 is probably dead but I’ll be hoping one of them still reaches F2 and wins the game.
Betty or Josh winning is fine but neither were the best players this season – Betty wasn’t even fully playing until the Triple if we’re being honest & Josh only kicked it into gear at F5.
Some might compare Josh’s game to BB20 US hamster Kaycee as she is athletically gifted and also held back in competitions until later in the game. But there are several differences between her versus Josh. KC had a STRONG F2 with Tyler (they touched base & game talked daily), she was in a solid alliance of (Level 6), played a flawless social game & worked closely with Tyler to drive the strategy (although he & Angela were far and away the more strategically active).
In Josh’s case his BFF Betty & he RARELY talked game – rather they gossiped & made fun of people. He lay around in the Expedia room eating and laughing. His social game was flirting & getting people to tell him personal things to trust him then using that to make them believe he had their backs (Hermon, Moose & Summer being the ones he shafted the worst). He didn’t go out of his way to create bonds with everyone socially & he wasn’t making strategic decisions.
He NEVER shared information with his own allies (Betty) and seldom shared information even with his closest alliance (Ghosts/CTD). Instead, he hung out in Expedia with Betty (and Summer) eating & gossiping – got filled in by the Ghosts on what was happening, and let them ensure his safety (never needing to pitch until last week) & let the Ghosts dictate who should be targeted each week then made it happen.
The perfect example of how little Josh was doing occurred in the double & the triple. First in the double — if he was truly playing he would’ve had Betty primed to take out Gino and that would’ve been on lock beforehand. During the triple – in spite of the Dummies repeatedly discussing what would NEED to happen & who would need to be targeted Josh not only hadn’t done any prep work with Summer & Betty he didn’t do any damage control during the triple or immediately after.
Like Another Name I’ve sullied on Josh especially in this last week b/c of the shift to him suddenly pitching this Hero – I’m a good guy stance. While Kevin delighted in the chaos and crushing people’s hopes the person who enjoyed it equally if not more (b/c those people were more closely attached to him) was Josh.
That he’s trying to recreate history as if we didn’t see what happened is insulting. And hey, in this circumstance even TPTB are F’d on his switch b/c it wasn’t just the live feeders who know this to be true — it’s the national audience who also know given how much air they gave the Ghosts/Dummies this season. Cue the DR of Josh -“the only alliance I’m loyal to is the Crash Test Dummies”. If he had taken the stance THEY turned on me so this is revenge it could fly – but to pretend the Dummies never existed & his F2 with Betty was made prior to week 10 is BULLSH*T.
Last season there was a push to either have Keifer or Tychon win the season from the get so I wondered this year if there would be an equal focus on Josh winning to become the first indigenous winner. TPTB never seemed to take that stance in the national show but with the individually timed comp being allowed (by TPTB that typically CHOSE who wins) to go to Josh I’m now second-guessing if that’s their direction.
Anyway – good season, decent F4 – Josh likely going to win – – meh — I’d prefer Haleena or Kevin but it is what it is.
We’ll await the news of which Ghost got cut & I’ll lick my wounds in the corner if it was Hal, who even if she stays would have a hard time winning (or reaching F2) anyway.
I understand why you appreciate Hal’s game. Honesty, I liked many aspects of her game as well.
There were errors though.
While Kevin was final 2ing everyone, what was she doing? Nothing. Sure i commend the nightly Josh chats she had, and kept to herself. But what did she do with them? She was the Wendy’s guest, and left that meal without having manipulated the final HOH. She volunteered to be a nominee if other conversations are true.
Why was she playing far more for the pair than for herself? She noted it four times. She didn’t alter the behavior.
When the second through fourth vote flips happened last week, why did she entertain them? At any time she could have said sit down, shut up, this is what we’re going to do. Nope, she let everything get sketchier and sketchier.
Biggest error: as the better social reader that figured out Josh and Betty were reconciled, why did she listen to Kevin’s reads that Josh was still with them? She knew better. She SHOULD have cozied up to one or the other of Josh and Betty more in the last week.
Given her edit, and given Josh’s personality (stay in the middle): who would Josh want evicted? Haleena noted weeks ago Josh is the middle guy. She should have made sure she was on one of his two poles, not adjacent to one of Josh’s poles. They shared a bed for 5 weeks. They shared a room alone for a week. She missed an opportunity.
If she stays, everything I just wrote is still true.
GOODS AND BADS:
Good:
vetoes got used. There wasn’t a whole lot of go with the house talk, because the house was never a house due to superior and inferior class structure being part of the tone the first HOH set.
we had strategy, not just highschool pecking order. oh the pecking order existed. it just wasn’t adhered to.
Production has changed their pattern somewhat. I created a list of questions to answer with every premiere that I started using in bbcan 3. FOR THE FIRST TIME, all of those questions weren’t answered in episode one. I take that to be growth. Still answered 2 of those questions, and both had the answer Josh, but progress.
Production informed more this season when feeds would be down overnight. BIG Progress.
Good or Bad depending on perspective:
A PATTERN WILL POSSIBLY BE BROKEN. The newest pattern to emerge in recent seasons of bbcan is the winner’s closest ally leaves at 4. It’s happened in the last 3 seasons and in season 3.
6 times the final 4 hoh made final 2. I think that pattern happens again. Edit seemed to go hard on the ‘i was manipulated angle redeemed role model’ crap.
Bad:
Production stopped even TRYING to hide production manipulation. Marty’s HOH’s, Betty’s d/r before veto tipping her to storyline.
Feeds were down more than up, and all four feeds maybe happened 30% of the time feeds were actually running.
We’ve got to stop thinking of every big brother season as a racewar. This season 16 people played big brother canada.
They’re still doing a prefeed eviction. boo.
They stopped keeping feeds on past final 4 eviction. okay, that was LONG ago, but I still miss seeing the final three trying to strategize on the fly. We saw it a few times in early seasons, I liked it. Cutting feeds at four just for the shock of who is final 3 to try to drive up finale viewer numbers is just another slap to loyal feed viewers.
I still say the edit is Invisileena to the point that she should not make final 3.
I still say getting rid of Kevin is the smarter move.
I will have more and more problems with a Josh victory if that’s the way it shakes out, because I’ve been criticizing his game all season with the point of view that he would be the production pick for winning. But leave it at the clean game bullshit.
Betty? Another clean game bullshit with an underdog rising edit.
Kevin? Season long episode edit fulcrum of all action and strategic play.
Haleena? as far as the episodes go…. WHO? No really. Until week four all we knew was friends with Steph and Jace…. and the supposed fifth locked vote to evict Josh. That’s it…oh and klutz night one. NOTHING else. She went for episodes on end having zero d/r and maybe a facial reaction shot every few weeks. As far as the house talking about treatment disparity by gender: just look at Kevin’s edit vs. Haleena’s. Production did that.
Out of curiosity what were the episode one – two questions that drew the answer Josh?
member of first alliance shown on screen: honeybunch narrows to those 4.
creator in episode was jace, which would usually give her an edge, but all 4 would be looked at. summer is given least possibility because she was first to enter and that’s still a canada curse.
member of the first major big alliance setting up a season long dynamic: savage 7. overlap members gino, josh, summer.
summer has already been deemed least possibe for first entry. Removes Jace but creator still can cast a little doubt… but huge favor goes to GIno or Josh.
So, i needed to think.
then: not an official question but something that i take note of as being an indicator after we just came off of bbcan9: who had week one immunity: overlap is Josh, Gino eliminated in my mind.
what was missing: a pair making a duo watch your back pact wasn’t in first episode.
there were zero d/r in episode one… so no first d/r saying i’m going to win big brother.
NOBODY got the edit of being more invested via d/r in week one’s plot that wasn’t in any danger, so had no reason to be so invested.
While I couldn’t be certain, the indicator was Josh, so I kept that in mind.
Ahhhhhhh okay.
I tried to think about the things you point out & I thought one of Hermon or Kevin were the early nods based on Hermon’s activity (but he was also HOH) & the amount of DRs (which was if I recall predominantly Hermon, Kev & Jess – but I knew they (Jess) was doomed from the start).
The ONLY reason I looked at Josh at all is b/c Arisa paid homage in the opening “We want to acknowledge our respect for the history of the land that the Big Brother house stands on here in Toronto. This house which our house guests from across Canada will call home is on the traditional territory of many nations including the Mississaugas, Anishnabeg, the Chippewa, the Haudenosaunee, and the Wendat peoples and then became home to the many diverse First Nations, Inuit and Métis peoples and it is important to us that we recognize that…”
It just made sense that Canadian Big Brother would love an indigenous representative to win.
The ‘awards’ clips also favored Josh. He was the ‘star’ or the reaction moment in almost EVERY clip they showed for an award.
Considering that I considered Josh one of the more boring houseguests, that’s pretty stand out.
I think they definitely altered the formula this season for week one editing.
2 was similarly edited to 10 in week one, but 3-9 had the same formula and you could look back at episode one and say wow how did i not see the winner staring at me then.
The show paid tribute to the land starting in season 9.
I hope my characterization of a Kassting employee’s check the box like it’s a bingo card style of finding house guests wasn’t off putting. It’s how I imagine they operate (that and looking through the social media of a couple cast members to find more cast members).
What i am seeing as this season’s plotline: Three Part story.
Part ONE: Class Structure and Finding the Alpha.
The first few weeks introduce the structure. The season is broken down by many into who deserves to be there, and who doesn’t. In the 80’s highschool movie genre relation that often comes back to John Hughes films, think Pretty in Pink school structure. At this time, the twisted sides of Twitter and Facebook were already looking at it like West Side Story…. and were unwilling to see it any other way. So, you’ve got your cliques and you’ve got your social structure. HERE’S THE TWIST: Then the pack mentality ‘A’ crowd types decided to compete with each other, backbite, and try to weaken each other through sabotage while going after the freaks and geeks. This set up the Second Part. Duration: weeks 1-4.
Part TWO: Trope anarchy and Masterminding 101.
The second part of the game had the freaks and geeks taking advantage of the Alphas sabotaging each other in part one to gain some social currency.
Two of them decided to make friends with (to fit the earlier 80’s highschool movies analogy fit) the teacher that thought he was the cool teacher that could hang with the alphas, but the alphas still considered him a teacher. The two freaks got the cool teacher to take them to the alpha party, and got him to buy the beer for the two of them. They found the socially unaware freak on paper (the oldest) and made him their bitch to take out the Alphas he so adored. Duration: weeks 4-8.
Part THREE : Production Crafted Underdog rising
I contend the storyline changed focus from the masterminds to an underdog driven storyline. When? Week 8.
This is when the easily manipulated teacher didn’t buy beer for the masterminds, instead he took their power in the story away from them and placed it in the hands of… a gummibear. Meanwhile, one of the other downtrodden freaks got the shining moment in the sun victory against the odds veto win (in what is pretty much akin to an individual timed veto because WE don’t get to see the comp run in entirety, and don’t EVER even get a clock in the corner of the screen They could have chosen ANY time and ANY winner since we don’t see a timer clock).
From there, the two downtrodden freaks (one who used to be considered an Alpha, and the other a hanger on Beta) had their repeated rise with veto, hoh, next hoh and veto. So the two that did NOTHING to secure the story trajectory for the first 8 weeks are the recipients of the underdog focus through production outing the games of the masterminds.
I still have some major issue with Betty not actually participating in the game except as an indignant nominee, not even trying to figure the game out for 8 weeks and then being given insider information by d/r in order to cement the third act.
I will ALWAYS find that beyond suspect.
I’d still penalize Josh for week one safety (though he did win a third of a comp, so not as much as i’d penalize Jay’s phonecall safety). I’d still balk at his heroic role model the bad people made me do it talk. I greatly dislike his disparaging of his allies that repeatedly saved his ass by putting it down to the gummibear saving him. It sounds great in an edit form, but on feeds it makes him seem like a self righteous ass with a bit of a penchant for revisionist history. Josh was nobody’s victim. He was a participant that chose his actions.
No matter what he did after the cameras went down, he lied and backstabbed, again, of his own choice. He told EACH of the three he was taking them to the final 3. Call it game if you want, but after veto it was unnecessary. Won’t be shown in edit or will be explained as some moral infliction of karma that befits the role model schpiel.
Last comment until the next episode review:
If Kevin leaves it is completely and wholly for dropping the ball last week.
He didn’t foster his Josh relationship during week 9. In fact, he repeatedly abused the relationship.
If he leaves: that (and the mfing d/r gremlining) is why.
If Haleena leaves it is completely and wholly because she didn’t do more with the opportunities she had to make her relationships with Betty and Josh stronger in the past two weeks. And her edit. I harp on that because she has had less storyline and d/r time than Jess, and Jess left week 5.
If Betty leaves it’s because.. of WHAT-ever happened in the hour after feeds cut.
Josh logic: if i save Betty Summer is happy.
ED. cough cough AND VOTING FOR BETTY, NOT YOU, just thought someone should point out the logic fail. The rest of the jury? so you were loyal to NOBODY…. at least Betty had character and loyalty. THAT’s a part of this jury’s hypocrisy… at least he was loyal to SOME alliance when he backstabbed us, so he’s not a complete scumbag. oops. Now he’s just a scumbag that didn’t save THEM.
HOWEVER,
If he takes out Haleena? Jace will be happy, but the rest of the jury will say you had a chance to knock out KEVIN the mastermind, and you took out Haleena ? oops.
IF he takes out Kevin? sure he’s a backstabber but he took out the biggest mastermind in the jury’s opinion, and therefore earns the respect of Marty, Gino, Hermon and Moose.
Okay. I’m convoluted and all over the map with that bunch of tangents strung together.
Damn… I’m Kevining: bored and wanting to chaos my own brain. damn.
Thanks Another Name and TTOTambz for all the updates this season ! I always enjoy seeing your analysis of what’s been going on in the house. In my perfect world josh would let dat fuqing beddy go home lol and keep the CTD’s complete. I know it’ll never happen, but I’d sure like it to. And then have a ghosts final, which again I know is never in a million gonna happen. But jeez I wish it would kev and Hal totally deserve to be there after all the moves they made this season. Ah well have to see how it all shakes out. For some reason although Betty didn’t really have much of a game play I’d rather her win over Josh. And I’d rather ghosts over here. My final four dream land would have been Hal, Kev, Betty, Josh. Guess we’ll see what happens….also can’t believe that whole countdown door was a Wendy’s plug basically ??? How anticlimactic. Lol thanks again guys ! Looking forward to the last few breakdowns from you both !
Appreciate that — I dropped a post above touching on several of your points (agree on virtually all the same points)
I know, I know.
I said i wasn’t posting anything until episode.
But.
This thought wave occurred to me:
Perhaps this season will actually teach future big brother players the difference between floating as a social strategy, coasting as a survival skill, and being an anchor.
Kevin and Haleena were floaters in the original sense of the term.
They attempted to control the flow of information withiin the house while trying to play that they were on both ‘sides’ in a house that refused to admit that there were actually sides (mostly because sides shifted almost weekly, making Kevin and Haleena’s game strategy even more difficult).
Josh was a coaster. He was willing to go with the flow when he wasn’t in power. He didn’t control the flow of information, he just kept the information to himself. He didn’t so much have loyalty as he had an ‘anyone but me’ attitude through most of the game.
Betty? socially she was an anchor for the most part, but could coast occasionally. She was intransigent for the most part, refusing to see the game as a moving organism, instead viewing it as a static chart. However, once or twice at the urging of others, she did coast (mostly this is shown in the alliance with Gino/Jace talks that JOSH bailed on).
Yeah, I’ve 100% decided that win or lose, I respect the games that the Ghosts played socially more than the games Josh and Betty played socially.
Keep in mind: I believe social game is more than being liked. Social game, to me is navigating the social structure or the game as a living organism, and controlling information and manipulating others in order to reach your intended outcomes.
Waking up week 8 and saying I guess I’ll play big brother today? Not social game. But really, isn’t that what happened in regard to Josh and Betty? Any other game move they made before that? At the urging or manipulation of others that actually were playing the game.
Don’t go thinking I’d hate a Josh or Betty win. That’s not my point.
I’m looking at social game and strategy. Tell me Betty’s strategy. She didn’t have one. Any strategic moves on Betty’s part were at the urging of others. She just sat back in judgement of others playing the game, and whined victim for being targeted by someone she called out numerous times. Yeah, Marty was an ass. Granted. But, what did Betty do to perpetuate her own target staying in place with Marty? That’s where the veil was lifted for me in regard to her social strategy: morally pontificating and being intransigent and static in big brother is NOT a social strategy. Her game relied on a veto and an HOH, and a d/r visit. Not ONE of those is part of social game strategy.
Advanced clip:
The red door opens.
WOW. Haleena REALLY just plowed into those doors. Who told the biggest klutz ever to play big brother to run without first bubble wrapping the entire house?
That actually looked like it hurt.
The whole Kevin held Josh down… here i thought it was for five minutes of Lord of the Flies type struggle… and it was about a half second.
And all of that for:
Welcome to Wendy’s, can I take your order????? Better be a comp.
MONDAY: FINAL FOUR EPISODE REVIEW
preamble: I’ve got no reliable spoilers this time. I really miss the two sources i had that worked for the program (one in editing, one in set up). So i’m flying blind.
Way back machine: Jace was evicted, and we had no clue about what the hoh comp would be.
Be Advised: any poor Josh and Betty we were victims talk? I’m going to chirp it, not because i don’t like Josh and Betty, but because I really dislike that false narrative.
RECAP
Kevin fueled the fire? Oh right, that was until that d/r session.
So the heroes rise against the vile villains? mmhm. eyeroll. Name two people that didn’t mind the villains when they were saving the ‘good people’s’ asses for weeks on end.
Awards etc.
POST EVICTION
Jace loves them all? oh. right. she hasn’t seen the gbms.
Final Four celbration
Betty d/r thinks 4 times nominated against stronger threats… is an accomplishment.
Josh’s d/r… so snaking your alliance is a hero move. um.
Kevin believing Josh will throw HOH. Come ON.
The ghosts love that everyone hates them. not for long.
Betty moves to ? room. They were going to evict him, oh we’re heroes and the best duo. Betty… what did YOU do? crickets. You went to d/r and got insider info.
Kevin talks about red door.
Pre-released clip time. Still say that was a hard hit… ouch.
THE RED DOOR
Speculation: instant eviction? Marty? a beast?
an emergency room for Haleena?
Wendy’s breakfast and HOH practice.
Kevin can’t win a comp section. Everyone practices. Hal and Josh stop. Why is Haleena going back to bed Kevin asks? You didn’t exactly ask about her arm…
Kevin still thinks Josh is throwing.
HOH:
tilt table comp.
land in correct day or closest get a point, most points wins HOH. Good thing they kept that tensor they used when Kevin faked an injury, eh? Even the doctor thought she’d broken her arm as he heroically kept running down the stairs.
Josh: not throwing. Knows days, studied alone.
Kevin finally realizes he got played.
Josh is at 2 points. Kevin at one point.
Josh gets a third point.
Kevin isn’t giving up.
Josh wins HOH.
Kevin… not so happy.
Josh says he knows they’re pissed. They’ve been in power and now it’s my turn. Again, 3 person alliance… and they used that power to help him. But hey… go with that I was used narrative, i’m not completely rolling my eyes blind.
Kevin: you played us.
Josh: oh no… i didn’t play you.
Hal: in storage: Kev got played.
Josh: Kevin I’m not playing you. What makes it a lie?
ED. maybe lying and playing victim about lying?
The Ghosts say they got played and Josh wins. They got a taste of their own medicine.
WHO WANTS TO SEE HOH ROOM. STILL NEVER CARED.
AWARDS: ED. were before the HOH see no wrapped injury.
I’m not a voter for awards or faves. I think they are production angle.
I don’t actually like ANY of the clothes chosen, or the set…. yeesh.
Anyone notice just how many of the clips for voting were SO Josh centric? I mean in full, not the ones shown. I mean… half the awards were past season. there weren’t many for this season. But the ones for this season ALL had that Josh reaction clip in them.
WENDY’S
SABRINA, KAREN, BREYDON… it’s the parade of runner ups.
Josh is thinking Kevin and Betty. Clean record. He wants to use it against her? Come on now. Josh wants to push Haleena never had to fight. ED. ummm, because she manipulated them to keep her off and fought BEFORE NOMS to save herself.
JOSH BETTY:
Josh thinks Kevin isn’t trustworthy, and pissed. He “floated” is the word Betty is looking for.
KEVIN HAL:
Kevin starts to chaos himself again like last week.
Haleena, do you want to go on the block instead of me? Really Kevin? Who says yes to that even at final 4????
Josh doesn’t want to ruin Hal’s record. Would you evict Haleena?
Josh… okay that was petty. About time he feels the heat? Until week 9, he felt NO heat, he was saved by the people he’s petty with. No seriously, until week 9 did JOSH campaign? Ever? NOPE. That’s not feeling heat.
CLARIFICATION
If i actually disliked Josh, My critique would be vile this week. I just dislike the Role Model no sins narrative SOOOOOO MUCH. I’m Madeline Khan Clue Mrs. White with the flames, flames FLAMES on the side of my face… breathing, breathle…. heaving breaths……. you get the idea.
NOMINATIONS
Josh’s D/R? more narrative. And it’s getting pettier. Well twitter will love that.
KEVIN AND BETTY NOMINATED
Josh’s nom reasons:
Kevin fight for your place.
Betty win veto.
THAT SPEECH SAID YOU’RE IN TROUBLE KEVIN. ED. Too much. I smell something monkeyish.
Betty: Me and Josh to the end i’m winning veto.
Kevin: oh yeah, the block I’d forgotten how it felt… we shoulda kept Jace.
Just saying moment:
Sabrina and Karen were fantastic casting choices. Sabrina was so vile it was entertaining, Karen was so insightfully deluded that it was entertaining.
Yeah, they are maligned. Sometimes oh so deservedly so. But think about season 2 without Sabrina and season 5 without Karen. SOOO FRICKIN BORING.
They were authentic and authentically horrible and authentically laughable.
The past couple of season have been missing the authentic casting choices. Don’t answer with your faves. Most of them are on this show to start a modelling career, enhance their acting careers… or only brought the entertainment in a completely inauthentic way that i’m not even going to fight because it’s so obvious they were putting on a show to put on a show, not being authentic.
I was hoping The Powers That Be would backtrack on the outright sabotage of one of the two best players this season (and the Ghost — [Kevin] who was far more likely to get the jury votes).
I’d be PISSED if I were Kevin to have put in that much work this season & have one long DR session completely tank my game. Mind you his sketchiness and messiness last week sure didn’t help – but still, Betty NEVER comes to that conclusion on her own.
While I enjoyed both the Ghosts my preference was Haleena for her subtleties & influence which IMHO had more bearing with the Tynesha & Hermon exits – & sort of set up Moose & even Betty/Summer early on via her downloads to the showmance & Marty.
She also worked the ladies capitalizing on the angst between Summer & Jace – and the dislike of Betty toward Jace to ensure if they happened to win HOH by fluke the showmance would be a prime target & as long as one of the showmance was OTB alongside Marty the Dummies would’ve kept Marty safe (then been fine to cut him next).
Even prior to Moose leaving at F9 Hal (and to a lesser extent Josh/Kev) had enough pull with Moose to get him to see splitting the showmance was the right choice. And by F8 the Dummies controlled the vote.
It seems very likely that Josh will sail to the F2 chair given the upcoming comps will feature an endurance which he’ll likely win. I can see Haleena beating Betty in the 2nd comp but Hal freezes in those trivia-type comps which will be Part 3 (Kevin was the better player in those comps).
Although, it sure did seem based on the DR sessions they played in tonight’s episode – – (which don’t necessarily mean anything) Josh was leaning toward taking Hal if he chooses, citing how her not going OTB was not a true selling point b/c she never had to fight for her life. He has said that repeatedly to Kevin too.
I personally disagree & see it as a flaw in his logic (one I’m sure Kevin will be more than happy to shoot holes in at the jury round table if he in fact is the F4 evictee).
The BIG problem is whether Kevin will have enough time with the jury to outline why Haleena deserves to win over Josh (or Betty). His easiest argument is how Josh/Betty weren’t even playing the game until week 8 or 9.
Moose/Hermon were feeling a ‘certain way’ about getting shafted by Josh but along with Marty/Gino/Jace are all prone to vote for a male over a female. BUT — what if Kevin tells them how Josh literally sat in rooms laughing at each of them & elaborates on how he would call them stupid – that all they cared about was comps – how he threw comps – let Kevin/Haleena do all the work & he was their puppet – (hence the triple eviction nominations).
What if he tells them how Josh’s strategy was to get them to tell him something personal & then laugh about how that pulled them into believing he had their backs? Would they be pissed that Josh literally laid on his back not doing anything but making fun of them? What if he further elaborates on how Josh was FINE to cut Summer/Betty & also laughed how they could both leave on the triple via his HOH. If Kevin calls upon them to recognize what makes a truly good player involves the ability to influence & ask what precisely Josh influenced?
Based on early reads the fans (and the votes that came into the recent RHAP survey) NO ONE believes Haleena can win against anyone. Which is truly sad given she outplayed both Josh/Betty IMHO. Betty still has no clue what transpired for her to reach F3 — so how the hell do you vote for her over Hal? Sorry – but ditto for Josh – show me who he influenced EVER – other than Betty which was more manipulation than influence since she was never in a F2 with him until a week ago & STILL doesn’t know about the Dummies!
Tell me what he did in the game to shift the direction of a vote – or work he did leading up to a new HOH to ensure the people he wanted were targeted.
Josh is likely to win regardless – and got there by letting Kevin/Haleena influence and run the house for nine weeks and on Day 63 got off the couch to play Big Brother – win some comps & likely will earn $100k for it. I’d almost rather see Betty win than Josh but meh – whatever.
Kevin/Haleena had intended on telling Betty about the Crash Test Dummies a half hour before the POV. They may not have gotten the time to do that based on how that F4 live eviction went down with an hour to pack/get dressed & do the live eviction. But we know FOR SURE Kevin doesn’t walk out of that house without calling out Josh as the true villain of the season who turned on his F3 with the Crash Test Dummies that played together since week 3! And for him to back stab them after they saved him repeatedly shows how disloyal he was (you just know Kevin is going to rail on his way out)
It could turn out to be a fatal error in Josh’s game b/c he elected to go back on his word to throw the F4 HOH (which was the right decision) BUT he was still acting naive/innocent with Betty about Kevin’s game & never gave her any sort of heads up he felt played by Kevin & WHY (CTD).
I say it could be a fatal error b/c whoever of the Ghosts stays (assume Hal) can now walk through every single move that happened with Betty on a week by week basis & how Josh KNEW IT ALL b/c Hal/Kev kept him informed so he always knew they would save him. Hal can point out why do you think Kevin pulled him off the block? Why do you think I didn’t use the POV? Why do you think he put you up in the triple? Why do you think we voted to keep him safe all 3 times with the last two times our votes being the difference in him staying or going? AND can cite how Josh was constantly laughing about how he might have to be the HOH to put Betty/Summer OTB & watch them get evicted.
If Betty were to get to Part 3 and pull out the win to choose (unlikely but possible) I could see her taking Hal instead just for that reason alone.
My preference:
Winner: Haleena
Runner-Up: Kevin
Third: Josh
Fourth: Betty (although I’m as amenable to her being 3rd & Josh being 4th b/c of how he simply followed the Dummies strategy never really having to pitch except this last week)
What I’ve seen from most analysts (on who played the best game):
Winner: Kevin
Runner-Up: Haleena
Third: Josh
Fourth: Betty
What this past week (DR sessions outing Kevin’s game – comp tailor-made for Josh) are leaning toward:
Winner: Josh
Runner-Up: Betty OR Haleena
Third: again either of the above – but as they say perception is EVERYTHING & I think Josh recognizes Betty prob has Summer (and could have Moose, Hermon) votes. Kevin PUSHED hard that Marty would vote for her so it’s a risk to take her, especially after she got off the block FIVE times. Plus factor in all those awards Betty won (did you notice Josh’s face – registering that fact?). Production will tell them Canada has a vote at some stage prior to the finale (they’ll likely have to make a plea to vote for them) & he’ll likely think Canada would vote Betty just based on those awards.
Fourth: Kevin.
Although I’m not going to be up in arms if neither Ghost gets to a chair if it does end up being a Josh/Betty winner/runner-up they & this season won’t rank as high versus other winners/seasons, especially over time.
Taran Armstrong had a GREAT call citing Lisa who beat out Danielle Reyes in US BB3 as a very similar example to Josh if he wins. Of course, Danielle was the reason production began sequestering the jury in BB4 when she lost solely b/c the jury got to go home & watch her DRs and voted bitterly. Danielle got SCREWED out of that victory & was IMHO one of the best to ever play the game.
Finally, the one question I asked myself that pushed Haleena ahead for me was which of the two Ghosts would’ve gotten further in the game without the other. And I settled on Haleena b/c she read the house better & would’ve stayed closer to Marty plus I imagine she either would’ve nurtured Josh more or possibly even pulled in Moose closer to her or maybe put up with Jace’s nastiness & worked to get deep with her. Kevin was ALWAYS going to play his chaotic style (which was awesome) but without someone like Hal to reign him back in especially in the first half I’m not sure he gets to F4.
My least favorite duos (alliances) are the alpha male duos/groups overall & sadly we simply don’t have many if any examples of female duos. Most male/female duos are generally limited to showmances so in that regard the Ghosts ranked high for me. I loved the dynamic & hope we get similar duos after the Ghost’s success in the future.
We still don’t know who got evicted – and maybe I missed it but I haven’t seen any leaks either but assume it was Kevin who they evicted especially with the DR messages we got in the episode. YES, Josh was playing devil’s advocate with Betty about Haleena’s game just prior to Arisa coming on the screen for the live eviction– BUT — I saw that as him trying to plant early seeds with Betty not to shift to taking Hal at F2 just in case she wins that final comp.
Suffice to say – I doubt my winner (Haleena) has a shot in hell of being crowned the winner & I’m 50-50 on whether she even gets to a F2 chair b/c Josh has said he’ll take Betty this past week & tempered it with Hal can’t win. Surely, he won’t keep Kevin & take him (although I’d laugh so hard if he failed that badly in strategy b/c even if he won out & took Kevin he’d lose to him).
It’s not my ideal but it rarely is in BB.
So TPTB stepped in to get Josh to shift direction — if that’s not why he got Betty to evict Haleena than he DESERVES to lose the game for making such a poor strategic move.
My guess is he believes Kevin will take him over Betty whereas Hal wouldn’t. It could be that simple – but we’ll find out in less than 24 hours if that one move cost him $100k (I hope it DOES!)
Biggest reason why 3/4 of the final four deserve a HUGE (and I mean HUGE) round of applause:
Three of the final four were labelled as worthless and undeserving to be in the house by the CompsCult of Hermon, Kyle, Gino, Moose, and Marty by week two. This meant they were in the bottom of every alliance in terms of willingness for the house to consider them as equals because they were deemed unable to pull their own weight… by people who had won at most ONE comp by that point.
Think about it: when they decided Betty threw HOH in week two, her name was mud.
They liked that Haleena tried, but pretty much said and your best sucks. Kevin? Yup. He wasn’t considered worthy either, but they liked him and figured he’d ace the smart people comps.
Refresh my memory… by week two HOH, what comps had Kyle and Gino won?
Josh? Given a pass for show muscles and a night one 1/3 of a comp win. Faced no adversity as socially undesirable because of poor comp performance even when he was obviously throwing because obvious throws were still netting him second place.
THIS is what i meant by season tone set by week one HOH that determines social structure. and three of the final four didn’t meet the Alphabros standards. That determined value, which does have an effect on social currency.
So, cheers to the notanalphas.
Going to attempt to not let my disgust with the role model fictitious narrative cloud me, and think about Josh’s game reasonably. This won’t be yay Josh or boo Josh, and i’ll likely slip into that damn narrative disgust a few times. It really irks me. But I’m going to look at what he did this season and try to assess what made it successful through his own doing, vs. what made it successful because it aligned with the game of others, and depended on that not his own gamesmanship.
Week one Josh entered at least 2 alliances that put him in the majority in terms of numbers. We have heard talk of more. Additionally, he formed final 2 deals with over half the house. He was not an active participant in any of the alliances of which he was a member.
Josh won 1/3 of the HOH comp week one, thereby giving him safety.
Because of his inactive stance with his alliances creating an air of mistrust, his loyalties began being questioned by the middle of week 2. Week three found Marty, a former ally, via Kyle, a current ally, nominating Josh out of fear of blowback for week two’s targeting and eviction of Josh’s closest confidante Jay (the guy that apparently STARTED the entire ethnocentric related narrative week one, and perpetuated it in his two weeks in the house). So Josh was targeted because while liked, he wasn’t trusted because he was taking NO active role in his alliances.
The house rallied to save him and thwart Kyle’s chaos bomb of an HOH (honestly I think the thwarting Kyle part was the actual impetus because Kyle was deconstructing Hermon’s perfect scenario and dream alliance in the alphabro top dog brinksmanship). Josh didn’t have to campaign post nomination, because Haleena gave him a hint he would be nominated, and he went to Tynesha and Summer for support as they the other two candidates Kyle told Haleena about.
Socially Josh was well liked and welcome in most circles, but aloof. He took in more information than he released, which is good unless you are trying to build trust.
Josh threw a lot of comps. He threw the ones he could have won, and lost the ones he tried to win until week 8b. Once everyone that beat him when he was trying to win was evicted (others playing the game coinciding with his success), he began a string of comp wins.
In week 4, during Gino’s first HOH, talks began with Kevin to form a secret alliance including Haleena. The alliance was formed around day 30-32. This pair had already saved him once (Haleena’s warning, and membership in the save Josh campaign added to Kevin flipping Marty as an insurance policy. I don’t think Josh was ever really thankful to them for it. He saw it more as Tynesha Summer and Betty saving him).
Within the new alliance it was always quite obvious that Josh was more inclined to work with Kevin, but would have preferred Betty be added to the group over Haleena. Betty didn’t want to work with Haleena.
Josh was likeable to the house, he was given credit as a showmuscle comp beast with just a 1/3 HOH comp victory for most of the game. He was very much judged favorably by his appearance in that regard. He absorbed information, never stuck his neck out for his allies until week 8. Until then, he was indifferent, and would not push an agenda that would keep his alliance safe.
Week 8 Josh won a big HOH. He kept his alliance safe, choosing for himself to turn on his friends to protect his allies. THIS IS A HUGE POINT.
Once Josh had to clean up his image, he threw his alliance away. That same alliance that had saved him and ensured he NEVER had to campaign any time he was on the block previously (swinging the vote week 3, using veto week 6, planting enough doubt in Marty week 8a that he resorted to gummibear nominations).
Josh chose Betty over his alliance thinking that was the noble move. Betty and Josh were the recipients of unearned information via diary room. This cemented Josh’s flip on his allies.
Josh campaigned for the first time on his fourth time on the block via Betty. He campaigned to Haleena. She was already wavering on keeping Jace because of her relationship with Jace, and Jace’s own treatment of Haleena. Sentimentality worked and Josh got to stay. I’m not going to go into the number of oddities and bizarre d/r calls for week 8b and 9… but behind the scenes something odd was going on for sure, and Josh benefitted.
Josh wins the final 4 hoh, backstabbing his former allies. I wasn’t fond of the petulant d/r tone in that episode. It wasn’t role model behavior if you listen to the petty glee. They were arrogant, vindictive, and revisionist. Sorry. THEY WERE.
SO, Josh’s game comes down to having enough social capital via appearance to be given benefit of the doubt. Positive for Josh, a little gag worthy to me.
He was excellent at gathering information, but did little or nothing WITH it.
His game depended on others to the extent that he never campaigned because he had allies saving him because of alliance loyalty that he didn’t reciprocate until week 8b and then immediately cried that he was manipulated into making his own choice. In d/r, so that’s the official storyline.
2 and 1/3 HOH comp wins and 1 veto win. 4 nominations for eviction. 5-7 second place finishes in HOH and POV comps.
So he has a good social likeability. He backstabbed his friends over his allies until he backstabbed his allies over his friend. He was a wealth of information he never used. He was distrusted by every ally he had because of this. He won end game comps. Brass tacks that’s his game. The role model that was just as dirty as everyone else, but cried victim. And cried. And cried some more.
Josh’s best ability was the ability to ALWAYS remain in the center. No matter how the house dynamic shifted, he was always directly in the center and able to be good with both poles in a constantly shifting polarity. THIS is this game, and should be judged as a great passive social strategic point. His active social game (directing flow of information and exerting influence for his benefit) was poor, but his passive social strategy? great.
Next up: Betty. How i’m going to be able to think about Betty’s game without the phrase ‘didn’t actually play big brother for weeks’ I’ll never know.
In case anyone thinks I was harsh in my assessment of Josh’s game in terms of participation level:
He was passive, not active for the most part in most of the game.
CONJECTURE:
I never quite understood Kevin’s seemingly out of nowhere and proposing the Dummies to Josh. If I could go back, I’d like to see if he pulled Josh aside after a D/R visit. Given the ruin of Kevin’s game is the result of a D/R call… could that odd meeting of the minds ALSO be the effect of a D/R call? I wish I could remember the D/R calls of that day in the late 20’s as far as day numbers go. Kevin saw a kindred spirit in Josh? Decided he was smart. Didn’t target him when he knew Josh would be dangerous in the trivia comps Kevin was hoping would be his shining glory? That’s… odd for Kevin’s way of thinking. Hmm.
Honest assessment 2. Betty.
Okay: this is honest:
Betty has an entertaining laugh. It’s actually a great laugh.
Betty thought she’d be the season comp beast. The house didn’t agree and placed her in the undeserving category. The only reason she wasn’t nominated week one as an undeserving? She had a pre-existing relationship with week one HOH, and their shared community would frown on targeting her.
She shared with the house that she had that pre-existing tie to Hermon. That SHOULD have gotten her nominated as an ace in the hole vote holder. It didn’t. IT SHOULD HAVE.
Betty never formed alliances. She was a member of a few, well, more a number in a few, and was even added to a couple of those alliances in absentia because, well, she still had a vote. Seriously, she wasn’t present for the Siblings or the True Few/Fuse alliance building. She was included because, well, the people she shit talked with most were members.
Great giggle too.
Betty still had an active cheering section while she was only marginally playing big brother, mostly owing to the fact that she was living in the big brother house with other people that were playing big brother. I remember I actually cheered Betty on in the week 4 HOH. She was so excited to be doing well, and was doing the peepee dance in her before/after pen after every question she answered correctly. I was genuinely excited for her until her answer to the tie breaker, where upon i decided her brain had been possessed by Pilar. How long did the week 2 comp take from start to finish? her answer was 16 minutes and change. The comp took well over an hour, and if i remember correctly it was closer to one hour and 40 minutes. THAT was the closest Betty came to a challenge win in a comp until WEEK 8 during a guess how long 100 minutes is comp which actually proves she CAN tell time, and makes her tiebreaker answer all the more absurd. OH look: a redemption arc beginning a storyline redemption arc. No seriously, that is a GREAT laugh.
Socially, Betty was well liked when she wasn’t being morally superior, judgmental and dismissive of others, but even then, she was moderately liked by others that were being morally superior judgmental, dismissive and rude to others. She could be petty, mean, gossipy, rude and arrogant to others in a social game. Betty failed to see why she was Marty’s target perpetually. After her initial nomination, she took umbrage at being lied to, and being the first kiss of death recipient of the ‘kick yer feet up’ nominations. Betty never got over it, and quite frankly became Marty’s Karen while Marty was busy being Josh’s Karen… there were an awful lot of Karens but the season was light on KevinRobertMartins. Betty could lie in the game, but apparently by her code, nobody could lie to her without being called out and judged. In a social game. If she weren’t in the underserving category in terms of social worthiness by comp ability season tone, her ass would have been evicted for this type of thing.
In terms of alignments and alliances, Weeks 8 and 9 came as one shock after another as Betty learned of all the alliances in the house that had existed. Betty in week two was sure there WERE no alliances. She said so. That was her level of social game awareness. It persisted for most of the game until a certain d/r visit.
Betty’s big MOVES of the game:
Sat on the nomination couch five times next to bigger threats (who were nominated to sit next to her due to the machinations of others). She played victim well.
She was friendly to the people she liked when she liked them, otherwise she was a bitch. I think she is the human personification of a house cat in this way.
She used her HOH to target with her emotions not logic or strategy.
She got intel from d/r.
Her moral hypocrisy struck the right chord with Josh’s hypocritical self righteous indignation.
Betty won a veto and an HOH. She came in second place tie once. She was the recipient of d/r gremlining to make it seem like she had social game strategic awareness THAT SHE DID NOT POSSESS.
Betty has an EXTREMELY GREAT LAUGH.
About to sleep.
Was thinking. You know how every season the gymbot alphabro lets join forces and run the game types all say “the big guys are always the first targets.”
In ALL of bbcan history… that happened ONCE, and even then there was no evidence he was anything more than a physically attractive model type with showmuscle.
What is the truth?
Kat, Annick, Risha, Paige, Mark, Rozina, Laura, season 8, Julie, Melina.
Yeah… those musclebound comp beast physically attractive alphaboy type guys are always the first target…. in 1 our of 9 cases.
Who is then? Look at the names, remember them?
The female outsider or against the grain in terms of the basic shared female personality in the house…. if you’re female and don’t fit with the other females, you better win HOH number one or don’t unpack.
season one a woman not looking to showmance stood alone. Season two the hippiedippie peacenik stood out. Season three the too sexual woman stood out. Season four the quiet wallflower stood out, well actually she was booted so the showmance me girlygirl with connections to the giant pack of people that all knew each other in a six degrees of kevin bacon style spider web could stay. Season five Neda’s new prospective Jon was turfed. Season six the older woman in a sea of younglings was a sore thumb. Season seven a woman’s strength advocate was kicked to the curb in the year of the bro-gade, Season 9… okay that one is just Latoya didn’t like Julie. Season 10… the introvert comps are all that matter leave me alone woman was pushed out by the social gamers.
Yeah, that whole week two brolliance talking point about ‘if we don’t join forces and prettyboy our way to the end, they’re gonna target us first, it always happens’ thing… well that’s not supported by reality.
Reality is the first boot is USUALLY the woman that doesn’t fit. It’s usually because they are determined least blood on hands. It’s usually considered least blood on hands because… let’s face it, all of the women in a season are less likely to form a group bond.
The female half of the house is less likely to group bond because in casting, they always ask ‘do you want to showmance.’ Affirmative showmance players… not likely to bond with women more than seek a man to shield and carry them through the game.
Until they stop casting with the question: do you want to showmance, and showing the pictures of the women that say yes to all the meatheads so they can pick their mattress… it’s a pretty safe bet that women will not bond as a group like the men, and will become the first boot in 89% of the cases. Let’s face it, those fuqboi alphabros are still going to say bros before sHOwmances, it’s part of male socialized team dynamic pack mentality.
All that and i didn’t even have to go into my theory about female interpersonal dynamic on big brother as a rule of three (aka the karen becky and tch sigh eyeroll debbie principle).
Honest game breakdown 3. Haleena.
Part of me says why bother.
When your on screen episode edit has less inclusion than bb21 Jackhole WHILE he was sequestered in the have not room getting psych services treatment for withdrawal…. there’s no way an episode only viewer could look back and say yeah i can see how she won.
Just over half the d/r of the others in the finals. Her total game moves shown in the episodes for the whole season combined is shorter than a single episode recap.
Given no credit for ANY game move.
Edited OUT of entire conversations n the episode edit.
How? How do you paint that into a winning game for the episodies?
Anyway. Haleena entered the game in survival mode. She talked herself off the block during Hermon’s HOH. Betty? Got a pass due to real world connection. Haleena had to work for hers. However, she remained in renom pawn contention.
She was an information sponge, communicator and a manipulator. Every HOH got the sense that she was a number FOR them, while she simultaneously planted seeds against her own targets. Those seeds didn’t always take immediate root, evicting her target, but they always altered the perception the HOH had for that target.
In Early game she formed connections socially throughout the house. Kyle and Marty both thought she was theirs. Jace and Steph thought she was theirs. Hermon thought she was useless, but less useless than a couple others and his if he wanted her. Jess thought she was hers. And she formed her day two pair alliance the Ghosts with Kevin.
There was talk that Kevin actually volunteered or was manipulated into volunteering for the block as the pawn against Melina FOR Haleena.
Every HOH got a heaping dose of smoke blown up their ass by Haleena. That was in essence her game: smoke and mirrors. Smoke in the sense that she was manipulating everyone in power, mirrors in the way she communicated with others.
When talking to a gossip she gosspped hard. When talking to a ‘comps matter most type’ she pushed trying to win comps. When talking to ‘Loyalty is all’ types, she convinced them she was loyal to them effortlessly. Even the gossiping and shit talking had a purpose. She was altering the perception of whoever she was shit talking with by enforcing the co-conspirators negativity towards someone OTHER than the Ghosts.
When it comes to Chaos, Kevin is king of this season. When it comes to perception, Haleena is queen. Her assessment of the character mindset of others was great. She was amazing at social cues.
UNLESS:
When Kevin had a different opinion she deferred too often. When she had information, she overshared with Kevin.
HALEENA PLAYED THE GAME AS PART OF A PAIR. Period. Kevin always had small bits and side plans. Haleena cut off her side plans for the benefit of the pair when her place in the center of the house was blown up repeatedly by what was best for the Crash Test Dummies. Haleena was ALMOST content to be number 2 in the Ghosts, and number 3 in the dummies. She made annoyed comments, but never pushed hard enough when it came to the dynamics in her true loyalty groups.
Haleena made errors. She didn’t stroke the alpha women of the house egos enough. The Karen of the pack always must have her ego stroked. She must be informed of everything said about her immediately. She must be treated like the Queen of the triangle and Queen of the house. Haleena didn’t do that. She shit talked with them enough to keep them focused on each other or someone else. Summer and Jace didn’t trust Haleena while Haleena wasn’t kissing their asses like a good little Debbie. (okay yeah, i slipped into the female pack rule of three: simple breakdown. Alpha is a Karen. Beta is a Becky. the third one is a Debbie. The Karen and the Becky will remain bonded as long as the Karen is top, and Becky, who wants to be Karen, adheres to Karen being top. The Debbie is the tag along that the other two make fun of, and keep close because she’s there, and almost good enough to be with them).
Why is this an error? It means that while she was with them, she was able to sway them through sorority manipulation, but because she didn’t hold constant vigil in the queen’s court… she was least trusted in the triangle. However, when it came to Summer/Tynesha/Betty, Haleena was the fourth. It’s a rule of three. See where that was never going to work?
At times, Haleena was too immediate at sharing information. However, this was her attempt to thwart the previous error, and used in order to, again, alter the house perception of targets.
In comps… Haleena was pitiful. She out-Betty’d Betty when it comes to comp failure.
I’m still not sure how Production was able to come up with TWO vetoes she could win (okay one was individual timed so that’s explained…. the other?????).
In tems of studying events and days, Haleena has learning issues that make her a visual learner. Not good for studying days, comps and events. She should have been better at the wall than she was, that was visual learning. But that comp was week 4 HOH.
We’ve only seen one gbm… but if the others are as bad she has pitful jury management.
Her bonds with Betty and Josh are weaker than Kevin’s. Since her task for the duo was more centred on the OTHER side of the house, and that side was wiped out, of course Kevin’s connections are stronger (that was a design by Kevin I’m sure).
Haleena was in multiple alliances: Chef’s Kiss, Rugrats>Mandems, Ghosts, True Fuse/Few, Crash Test Dummies and the Five. She was considered a side number to the Brolliance and the Retreat. She formed final 2 deals with Jace, Marty, Jess and Kevin. Other alliances like the Rebel Rejects and Bargain Bin wanted her membership, but the alliances never formed.
Haleena won 2 vetoes, and was nominated zero times.
She was successful in pre-emptively fighting the block by floating to each HOH and showing them her worth as a source of information and tactical perspective.
in the endgame you have Josh saying she never had to fight on the block… because she fought the moment an HOH won power so she would never have to fight on the block.
I feel like this isn’t near as indepth as it should be, given her social prowess in the game. However, I can’t get over her episode edit making it impossible for production to justify themselves with her as the winner.
I’ll just say this: In a season where the fandom wanted all the POC to band together, she was hated for not being content to be number 7. She would have been number 7. Shush.
In a season where the house talked about the differences in treatment by gender making the same game moves….. production cut Haleena out of the story to make Kevin shine. They made the same game moves as a pair. She wasn’t even included until Jess’ HOH in WEEK FIVE.
Haleena got a raw deal.
And that doesn’t even count having the MOST separate injuries in a single season.
AWESOME review of Haleena’s game!
Tonight’s advance clip:
it’s a rub it in schadenfreude moment for everyone that didn’t like Kevin and Haleena for engineering the downfall of their faves starting in week 3ish.
The Ghosts are talking post noms. Haleena is trying to boost Kevin’s defeated spirits and inspire them to continue fighting. They can win veto and keep the dream alive, highlighting their bond to one another.
WEDNESDAY VETO AND FINAL 4 EVICTION.
preamble:
gut still saying 65/35 Haleena was evicted.
If I’m wrong I’m wrong and I don’t mind being wrong. I’m wrong a lot, but still keep giving my opinions.
RECAP:
Aaand HEEERE we go.
Duo vs/ Duo? They’ve reallllly gone retcon on the trio full tilt haven’t they?
SURPRISE EVICTION announcement:
making it look like it was before veto… as usual in most seasons.
Nomination ceremony flashback:
Josh d/r again pushing the disparraging a floater game. Ummm dear Josh… you are more of a coaster: that’s WORSE than a floater.
Betty d/r wants Kevin out.
Josh Betty saying Kevin is manipulating them about Haleena’s record.
Kevin is making poor decisions d/r.
Kevin Haleena advance clip.
ED. SHE is REALLY boosting him to pull him out of his chaosbrain. Wonder how long that’s been going on. Has internal chaos actually been controlled while feeds were down for Jay, Kyle, Jess and Marty’s shenanigans?
VETO:
ED. there’s a ladder under the wheel?
oh.
Haleena is first to go in edit. Kevin was first to go in reality. he got sick. I Telephahy tweeted NOT to eat Josh’s PORKCHOPS.
SEASON 6 Style maze only crawling this time.
Haleena goes to wrong lock with her key first time.
NO times shown.
Haleena blanks on day 29.
Betty’s turn. Betty is not sliding near as much as Hal was. Betty gets dead ended a lot in edit. They only showed half her run.
Kevin’s turn. His retell says he was having stomach pains. ED. He’s disoriented and lost…. or did he have stomach cramps and a visit to scooterville?
Looks over his shoulder to see where grates are.
Josh’s turn. Gives a bullshit d/r about up and down game….. no.
Making it look like it took him longer. It didn’t. floor was slick again.
VETO RESULTS
4th 42 13 Betty.
3rd 36 39 Kevin.
2nd 25 47Haleena.
1st 17 08 JOSH WINS VETO
JURY SEGMENT
Everyone was rooting for Jace? Sideye.
Anti Haleena Anti Josh Jury. Best player. Haleena was just a weakling that did nothing but ride Kevin’s coat tails. We knew that was coming… even the edit of the episodes thought so. SHUSH. Worst edit for a final 4 member in bbcan history.
So they are a bitter jury? Who would have guessed? Eyeroll.
CAMPAIGNING WHEN FEEDS WENT DOWN:
ED. ANYONE GOT A GUMMIBEAR?
Kevin Josh HOH talk:
Josh isn’t sure what he wants to do.
Betty Josh HOH talk
who is better for you Josh? I’d likely do Kevin.
Hal Kevin Josh Red Bedroom talk
Josh isn’t telling them it’s crash test to the end.
So. it’s one of them Haleena says.
Kevin getting lots of d/r he is fighting to the end.
EXPEDIA ROOM TALK
Does Josh want Betty to win. Betty has the better story to win.
Kevin says he picks Josh over Haleena.
We were always final 3. NOT a final 2.
Hal just wants a shot.
THE CRASH TEST DUMMIES CAMPAIGN HUGE
Kevin pushed the Great Alliance Integrity angle.
Kevin pushes everyone will love Josh. Do what’s best for Josh.
Josh goes back to Expedia to talk to Betty.
Friendship first is Betty’s answer.
Josh is going to keep Betty.
Betty wants Kevin out. Josh says Haleena is the stronger competitor.
Kevin is evil. Haleena better deserving. Kevin isn’t deserving.
ED. They’ve come full circle. It’s now about COMP WINS determining value. Just like week one. Sideye.
Haleena is boosting Kevin again, she is pushing for Kevin to stay. Giving him pitching points to get to the end.
Kevin crying d/r. NOTE HAL HAS NO D/R in her red dress….. foreshadow????
VETO CEREMONY
Choose who gets to evict.
Josh is using the veto on Betty.
Haleena and Kevin are the final nominees.
PITCHES:
Haleena: do what’s best for you. i am what’s best
Kevin: keep me if you’re keeping me, I want to fight.
Kevin and Haleena are crying causing of course Josh and Betty to cry.
Vote
Betty says Haleena played the better game, and Betty evicts Haleena.
Haleena leaves.
ED. so representation stopped mattering to Josh and Betty. Oh, representation only matters if it’s them being represented.
Haleena has a really short exit interview.
THE FANS GET A JURY VOTE.
HALEENA IS GONE YEAH!!!!! I wonder what she’s gonna say to Jacey – Lynne when she sees her…looks like Marty is the only houseguest who thinks Kevin and Haleena are strong players. Listen Marty, because you’re stupid and Naive probably the worst in the history of the game doesn’t mean that the other person is smart, it just means YOU ARE STUPID! It’s as simple as that.
I’m glad Kevin and Haleena fought to the bitter end.
Kevin fought harder, Haleena knew.
I respect that fight.
I understand why Josh made the move. All’s fair in big brother. I can REALLY do without the whole Sanctimonious Role Model victim Narrative. I place that on Production. I place that on Josh as well. Hell, I even lay that on Betty because you can’t say sanctimony and not think of Betty decrying others as liars while she lied.
Again, everything is fair in how someone plays the game. So My beef is more greatly leveled at production.
If my theory that Hal was only given a sidekick level storyline because Jess wanted to quit is true (and given past reasons for long d/r outages and a houseguest HOH barely appearing on feeds for FOUR days, I have no reason to believe my theory isn’t true), then they still did Haleena dirty. After week five she made plenty of contributions to the game beyond those 2 vetoes. But, you’d hardly know it if you only watched episodes. In fact you may have even asked who’s she when Haleena won a veto.
Kevin WAS the force of movement for the season. It sure as hell wasn’t Josh or Betty, who actually barely had to campaign. Josh NEVER campaigned to anyone the first three times he was on the block. And we’re to believe his ups and downs in danger narrative the d/r is pushing? Wasn’t a real thing because Kevin and Haleena didn’t want it to be a real thing.
Betty’s ONE campaign for votes? Who suggested that campaign (the fake deal with the showmance)? Kevin.
Until production became the 17th houseguest and tanked Kevin, and thereby Haleena with insider information… Yeah, that insider info trumps any game that Josh or Betty played.
SORRY. Just does.
Will I be unhappy with the winner? No.
Will i respect the game of the winner? Probably not if the winner received that 17th houseguest info.
My assessment as a juror would be thus:
advantages like immunity are penalizing in my book, moreso if they are given not earned.
Me? I wanted the first HOH to be winner behind one door, noms behind the other 2. Just me. I know. So If I was rating on a scale of 1-100 to determine winner? Josh loses five points (Jay would have lost 20 points if he’d made it to the end for answering the phone, just so you know i see the difference between a 1/3 of a comp win and a production gift).
I’d rate players strategy. I’d rate players social ability. I’d rate comp wins. I’d rate overall effectiveness in the game. I’d rate these four categories evenly.
Penalties? subtract 2 points for every nomination.
Comps? weight placement in comps, comp wins vs. number of comps competed, and if there was throwing of comps as strategy, reflect that here.
Kevin and Josh wipe the floor with Betty in my assessment.
The comp numbers? that’s due to comp placements and throwing even thought Josh participated in for more comps than Kevin (that’s why Kevin’s number seems odd, his percentages are out of less participation).
KEEP IN MIND: THIS IS WHERE THEY STAND AT THE TIME OF HALEENA”S EVICTION.
Changes can occur, but the penalties are set in stone.
By the way: the episode talk of DESERVING to be in final three. That Betty and Josh talk. Screw them both. The unapologetic liar vs the false victim hypocrite? I’d prefer the stand up liar that owns it over the it wasn’t my fault i made my choices type. EYEROLL. GAME OWNERSHIP!!!!!! Sorely lacking from Betty and Josh. yeah… pentaly. sorry. five points each for failing to OWN their games.
Lack of ownership cements Kevin over Josh in my opinion.
Lack of ownership is shared between Josh and Betty, but he at least walked in with strategy, and outperformed in comps, and was even able to use social game to get Marty back on side with him for a while (AT THE GHOST’S URGING OF MARTY).
Josh played better than Betty. Kevin played better than Betty. Kevin beats Josh in my assessment tabulations of pros and cons scored our of 100.
THIS IS NOT HOW THE JURY WILL VOTE.
THIS IS HOW I”D VOTE AS A JUROR.
TOTALLY MY OWN OPINION.
Btw… I don’t participate in votes. Not even a Canada’s Juror vote. That’s determined by the edit the episodes only saw, not by what we saw on feeds. Just sayin.
I did a real time episode review for the final 4 eviction.
I may have put it under my old name by accident.
That means it’s likely not going to show up.
Sorry about that folks.
Never mind…. i did put it under my current name, i just didn’t see it when i scrollled.
Cheers.
Kevin deserves the win in my opinion. He by far out worked betty and Josh. I knew that Josh wouldn’t keep the CTD together but I wish he would have. Josh has dropped to the bottom of my winners list. I’d rather Betty over him just because lol the jury clips seem like they have an awful hate on for Josh but who knows if that’s accurate. Sad ro see Haleena out.
Let’s hope Josh and Betty don’t go down the ‘had a final 2 the whole time’ route.
They could. Betty was ONE of Josh’s 7 or 8 final two’s in Josh’s first game related D/R of the season. However, that final 2 is contradicted by Betty and Josh in week 9 agreeing they were always friends, but it had never been stated implicitly that they were working together as a pair in the game.
It would be one more production sham, but… good tv. A lot less reality in your reality tv… but this is bbcan since when has reality gotten in the way?
If you can’t tell,
the Role Model tricked into doing bad things, not choosing to play the damn game narrative has soured me almost irrevocalby when it comes to Josh and Betty.
This isn’t sour grapes. This is looking at the storyline and plot devices and saying ‘but that’s not what we saw on feeds.’
It’s Paras allllll over again. Call her a mastermind that always got her way in getting rid of her targets…. then remember on feeds the weekly pouting and tantrumming session that the nominees or evicted houseguest weren’t who she wanted to leave that week.
I’m disappointed Haleena is headed to jury and as Another Name so eloquently and thoroughly outlined her game got the WORST shaft of all from TPTB.
The good news is TPTB may be setting up the game for Kevin to pull out the win after shafting him at F5 with the Betty DR. Let’s face it Haleena was NEVER going to win based on how she was edited & the myriad of revisionist history going on in both the house & the jury.
The ONLY way Kevin stayed over Haleena gives us the heads up TPTB INSISTED on Josh keeping him b/c the entire story line the past two weeks has been what a snake Kev is. The fact he is the better trivia player (between Hal/Betty/& himself) tells me Kevin WILL win one of the two comps to get to that final comp which would be a tough contest between Josh/Kev but an easier win if he faces Betty.
Btw, did anyone else buy that Josh won the final POV & not Haleena? He got lost several times in the maze & made mistakes on his guesses so that felt entirely like a set up.
Still, even though production knew they had twisted Josh’s arm to keep Kevin (and Betty) they continued to get in shots at Haleena as she was headed out the door. Even Arisa didn’t give her what I felt was a well-deserved homage considering the players leaving the doubles & triples got more air time than she did. BOOOOOOOOOO to production for that!
They piled it on with that bogus jury segment. Haleena & Moose had a decent relationship so for him to suddenly be crediting Kevin for all her moves is a joke. Gino & Jace agree they “DESPISE HER” (just stop you two) and calling her a snake is the pot calling the kettle black.
The fact that the showmance had FIVE final 4 deals & was prepared to cut Marty, Kevin & Haleena’s throat if only they had voted for them to stay is perhaps the epitome of their hypocrisy this season. I’d love to be a fly on the wall when Haleena spills that to the jury & calls them both out but we likely won’t be given the privilege of seeing that either.
I also was annoyed by Gino for not revealing how Haleena had given him MOST OF HIS GAME INTEL during his first HOH. Marty also didn’t defend her (that we saw) but at least he was quick to suggest they were all bitter jurors.
Sooooooooo what to expect moving forward…
One of Josh or Betty will win the first HOH if it’s an endurance-based comp (I’m guessing Josh gets that win – although Betty could surprise). The second comp will be tailored for Kevin to beat Betty as it’ll be a combo dates/physical which Kevin will win – and HELLO it’s individually timed so he wins regardless. In fact, if Betty were to shock & win Part 1 – I could even see TPTB making up for their DR Kevin sabotage manipulation by letting Kevin beat Josh in Part 2. I mean they went out of their way to ensure Kevin stayed over Haleena so why go out of your way to shift Josh/Betty on booting Kevin if they aren’t going to go full bore to get him to a F2 chair
Part 3 would be a dog fight if it’s Josh vs. Kevin & both should beat Betty. What I’m not sure of is whether Josh would know the things to study for like Kevin does for that final trivia test. (insert – will TPTB also ensure Kev has all the correct answers for Part 3 along with the perfect tiebreak answer? OR will they be giving those details to Josh?)
At some point in these last few days I’d also expect Kevin will pull aside Betty & spill the details of The Crash Test Dummies to her and how Josh laughed about taking her out in the triple. If Kevin is smart he plays up how Josh has laughed about how stupid & gullible he made Betty look but now as the game nears an end is trying to pretend he was some saint & they were always close but the reality is he is the biggest villain of the season. It could work to make Betty believe she should pick Kevin if she’s given a choice. The key may be Kevin saying – let’s go talk to Josh about it b/c I have no problem discussing this openly now that Josh has turned on the CTD F3 when he always said you at best would only get to F4.
The jury round table will find Haleena outing “the Ghosts” & “the Crash Test Dummies” & b/c Hal/Kev never turned on Josh it will set up Josh as being the one player who was loyal to NO ONE. She’ll systematically go through how Josh didn’t do anything but lie around while Kev/her did all the work until the triple when he finally stepped up to protect them.
If Hal is smart she will also play up how Betty hates Kevin but he convinced her to keep him over her and has Betty believing Josh/her are the superior game players. She’ll out to Jace how Betty told her everything Jace was saying & how Hal KNEW her better move was to keep Jace but b/c she came into the “?” room insulting & attacking Hal after creating F2 deals with each of Kev, Betty & Josh (and not revealing that to Hal) it was clear she couldn’t trust her.
I’d also expect Hal to out how Josh called everyone in jury “stupid” that they don’t recognize there is more to the game than comps. How he threw comps & bragged about how he would get close to people & find out something personal about them (like he did with Hermon) & then they would in turn offer him F2 deals that he never intended to honor. THAT little ditty should work to turn each of Moose, Hermon & Summer against Josh.
As for F2:
If we base Josh/Betty’s two-week-long attacks on Kevin they would BOTH take each other. But, if we base it on what production is setting up I can see the avenue for Kevin not only getting to the F2 but beating whoever he sits beside. It really comes down to whether production’s preference is Josh “the passive-aggressive hero” winning or Kevin the season’s mastermind winning. At least the latter is closer to reality.
It makes ZERO sense for Josh to keep saying “Hal never had to fight – I can beat her at the end” to shift at the last minute & keep Kevin instead of Hal.
When Betty spoke aloud tonight (THREE TIMES) how Kevin hasn’t even played the game & isn’t deserving to win this season it sure felt like TPTB was setting her up for what is to come this week. It’s pretty rich she called out Kevin for not playing the game when she only began playing the game seriously around F5.
What we don’t know is if Josh really would bring Betty to F2 & whether Josh winning F4 HOH/POV would change whether Kev would bring him to F2 or if he would bring Betty. It might be better for him to bring Josh if he chooses b/c then he could play up being the puppet master & if not for him Josh is gone weeks ago.
Then again, I think Another Name NAILED something earlier — WHY did the Ghosts (& Kevin specifically) finally decide to create the Crash Test Dummies? I don’t recall if it was after a DR but that would make a ton of sense if TPTB’s goal was to get Josh to the end.
Finally, it would also make sense that Betty would win Canada’s Favorite based on her underdog story & recent edits. It sure won’t be Hal which is annoying given the game she played & now she won’t even get to be in the end-of-season F3 interviews that garner so much attention.
Yeah – I’m a little salty at how TPTB treated Haleena- but I’ll get over it. Kevin deserves to win of the 3 remaining & if he isn’t in F2 my guess is he’ll win Favorite.
I found Josh to be extremely arrogant and the master of passive-aggressiveness while Betty was extremely condescending and hypocritical. Still, they were likable individuals overall & as I’ve repeatedly noted Betty has literally the best & most infectious laugh/giggle ever.
To reiterate, Kevin or Haleena winning would make the season rank higher for me. Josh or Betty winning only serves to remind us this is more of a scripted entertainment variety show than a true reality show. While I don’t dislike any of the F3 – I don’t have to like having bullsh*t narratives rammed down my throat either.
I’ll be anxious to see the exit interviews & whether Josh sticks with this “hero” BS rhetoric or someone like Taran Armstrong calls him out for his revisionist history.
Anyway – we’ll know in less than 24 hours who wins the season & I’ll hold out hope Kevin can pull it off but sadly feel like TPTB have set this up for Josh to take home.
Final Honest assessment:
Kevin.
I’ve had to think about this one, even harder than Haleena’s assessment. It’s not that his game is yay or boo. It’s that his game is chaos, and organizing thoughts on chaos is difficult.
Kevin walked in with the Intro video that sounded like a superfan antichrist. I wanted to hate him immediately because I figured play up to the cameras, overdo it, and early boot for this.
He did overdo it. He did play up to the cameras, but he also became the prime focus of game action for the season.
Kevin was the replacement nom week one. Some conversations in late game indicated he volunteered on behalf of Haleena to be the renom. A joke was nobody is going to keep the names straight between Malina and Haleena, so better throw Kevin up. * Gee was volunteering so that the vote wouldn’t be questionable because of name similarity the reason there was a payola door for just the first week? A thought for you to mull.
Week one Kevin showed that he would go to any length to survive. He played dumb, and he ratted out like he was carrying the plague, infecting absolutely everyone with information overload.
He continued to play dumb far too long in my opinion, but he wasn’t called to task. He should have been. He wasn’t.
Kevin continued to sew chaos in his off the wall tiff with Betty. Gee, Betty flew off the handle because she didn’t understand a game move and being a pawn? Well of course she did, because one thing about early game Betty, she was an occupant, not a big brother contestant.
Socially, everyone liked Kevin, even Betty who hated Kevin. His silliness helped him stay somewhat sane and endeared him to a house full of narcissistic assholes. Got a better desciption? They were.
Week three is where Kevin earned some of his game credibility. HE GOT MARTY TO KEEP JOSH. IT WAS MARTY’S INSISTENCE THAT JOSH BE NOMINATED!!!!! Anyone with doubt about Kevin’s game: keep that in mind.
Kevin had everyone snowed except Hermon. This isn’t owing to Hermon’s perceptions. This is owing to Kevin calling out Hermon’s game to a T in hopes of working with Hermon.
Mr. alphabrocompsmatter didn’t like one of the underserving clocking him, and saying they are playing the same style of game. THAT IS THE REALITY. Kevin walked in thinking Rebel Rejects, and walked out a member of the Bargain Bin. Now, while this is a game error, the actual fault of the misunderstanding lies with Summer, who said she wanted the alliance, said she’d do the footwork to Hermon, and… deciding actually gaming wasn’t worth her effort and did nothing. I’m being somewhat catty in how i phrased that… but i’m also calling a spade a spade. Not Sorry. Why did Hermon not like Kevin from a personal not game standpoint: Hermon was trying to be Mr. face of the season entertainer, always on 11. Kevin was also trying to be Mr. face of the season entertainer, always on 11. See the problem??? Jealous rivalry on Hermon’s part. Like every other facet of his game. Everything was about being top dog, even pandering to cams.
So, Kevin was good with everyone except Hermon. He was in alliances all over the place.
The show edit wants you to think the Heart alliance with Jess was his priority until Jess… checked out at which point the Ghosts with Haleena was revealed. He had other final 2 deals. Haleena knew about them. They were fake. Kevin was in the Comedians with Hermon. He had a final 2 with Marty, and it’s been said there was an early final 2 he proposed to Summer, and an on again off again partnership with the showmance. Kevin’s main alliances were the Five (backup) he wanted called the Curtain. He was in the Rebel rejects and the Bargian Bin, that met once and never met again. He was the creator of the Crash Test Dummies. At first I thought the pull Josh in part was a ‘keep your enemies closer ploy, having recongnized Josh’s game.’ Oh he recognized Josh’s game all right, and proceeded to protect him for weeks on end. Still wanting to know if there was a d/r call before that out of the blue connnection and alliance offer. Because it was always odd.
THERE WAS NOT A MOVE OR AN EVICTION IN THE GAME FROM WEEK 3 TO WEEK 8 THAT WASN’T ORCHESTRATED BY THE GHOSTS. If you are questioning Kevin’s strategic social prowess, REMEMBER THAT.
Kevin was HORRIBLE in comps. However, Kevin didn’t participate in his first Veto until about WEEK 6. This is why his score for comp ability looks skewed. EVERY OTHER MEMBER of the final 3 played in at least 3 more comps than he did. That affects percentage. But yeah. he was bad.
KEVIN’S GAME WAS RUINED BY PRODUCTION.
No way around that elephant in the room.
Kevin won one veto. He was nominated twice.
He and Haleena manipulated 5 HOH’s to do their bidding without ever having been HOH themselves. Think about that. Kevin was the gut when everyone said they had a feeling in their gut. Haleena was the idea when anyone said i’ve got an idea.
THAT IS SOCIAL GAME.
And to reiterate: A d/r visit on Saturday night before veto completely screwed Kevin’s game, and as a byproduct ruined Haleena’s game too.
See my idea of the three part storyline evolution for any questions on that score.
It was around that time that Kevin left d/r crying that he wanted to win the money, not make good tv…. and internal chaos Kevin showed up. Sideye. Suspicious? I am.
QUESTION: What was the point of the from time to time pick a door if you survive eviction twist… if they only did it once? See above and my Haleena/Malina voter confusion thought.
QUESTION: So we all know it’s reality entertainment programming, not a gameshow. We all know they have multiple writers, storyline AND plotline developpers. We all know SHENANIGANS happen. BUT: have you ever seen such a blatant D/R Gremlining in the end of the game that Completely ruined…. oh wait. Josh getting d/r advice for his goodbyes and Insider information in USbb19. Kevin GOT Pauled… only Kevin was owning his game to the jurors.
So there you go. The players that owned the game, able to eliminate their targets for weeks on end without ever winning HOH, GOT PLAYED BY PRODUCTION so that the feel good ROLE MODEL Good People Storyline could play out. Gee. Good tv…. barf.
i wish there was something lower than lower case when i say this: yay.
EYEROLL.
An exit interview with Haleena has been released by the network.
I don’t think they did a tik tok.
No idea on when the interview happened.
She thinks the jury believes Josh played too personal in his social game promises.
She thinks the jury believes he played the game too dirty for this reason.
She is pro Betty and pro Kevin at this point.
She says the jury does put stock in comp wins, so Kevin would have to win one of the final comps to get more consideration from the jury. She says his game was bloodless, he got others to get blood on his hands so his would be clean.
She says Betty has comps, and has been keeping secrets? What, that she knew Hermon pre-game? Everyone knows that.
Don’t read too much into this exit interview. The network ones… how do i say this, production tool for increased drama. I can name 3 seasons where exit interviews of final 5 and 4 jurors sounded damning… only to have overwhelming votes for a winner.
It’s all for the sake of drama is my point.
Remember last season when the network jury release was lauding Breydon and anyone’s game? Exactly. My. Point.
I’m sitting here dumbfounded by the latest spew.
Three new spoiler accounts opened up today.
Each one is written with the same grammatical idiosyncrasies.
Each one claims insider info.
Each one claims a different winner. So… yay, whoever that is: You have 100% chance of being 33% right.
I’m still sitting here in Josh has the night one edit advantage position. Josh has the golden edit for the season.
Is there ANYTHING that COULD alter that?
A season 3 shuffling of the deck between casting and first episode after the promos had been released? Hmmmm.
The week five disappearance of Jess as HOH on feeds and the sudden appearance of Haleena in epsode edit added to the week 9 d/r gremlin hack job of Kevin. Could that mean there was a deck shuffle?
It’s po—ssible. But my head is still telling me despite interviews saying the jury is bitter against Josh, It’s a comp wins matter jury. Sure they’re bitter. Remember when Da’vonne was bitter AF in 18? Hmmm. Never buy the jury press. If we bought jury press, Breydon would have won last season. Kaela would have won 6.
They aren’t going for unanimous Jury this time, but are they trying to engineer a for the fans victory with a finale jury vote? Sideye. Not sure.
The EDIT still says Josh, but does the production reactions to complaints from social media this season have ANY effect? Certainly got their attention week 5 when production is racist complaints streamed in. Imagine, calling executive producer Arisa racist. Remember buzzkill’d night? Another production is intentionally trying to screw Summer call came out over social media along with a shit storm of complaints to the network (she threw the HOH the next day).
I’m not hedging. I’m still of the mind frame that Josh is the recipient of the Golden Edit.
As with every season, and all things big brother… I’m never 100%. Ever.
I’m going with: 80-85 percent Josh.
I’m sooooooooooooooooooooooooo HAPPY!
Kevin deserved to win but I didn’t think he had a shot to reach F2 after that DR sabotage in F5 — then the Josh/Betty F4 chats, Josh HOH/POV F3 with continuing “Kevin’s a rat” & losing Part 3 in the tiebreak.
Just goes to prove Kevin truly was the strategist and ALL that work he put in with Josh selling how Betty beats everyone paid off (although I’m not sure Josh could’ve beat her either).
Kevin KILLED his Q&A and speech – even before the vote you knew he’d won b/c Josh refused to own anything & it cost him in the end. The only surprise was even after cutting Betty she still voted for Josh (and was the ONLY one who did).
Well no – (two surprises) I was also surprised Marty won Canada’s favorite based on social media that seemed to be skewed heavily toward Betty.
Fitting end to the season with the rightful winner.
Totally agree ! I’m SO glad Kevin won, he totally deserved it. And I felt really bad for Betty I thought for sure that Josh was going to keep her. She looked devastated, and it just made Josh a bigger jerk to me. Why go through keeping her at the 4. He might as well have cut her then. At least he would have kept his word with the CTD’s. Ah well I’m happy with the outcome ! Also surprised at Marty as fave houseguest lol