Head of Household: Martin
Nominations: Jay & Jacey-Lynne Betty
Power of Veto Players: ?
POV Winner: Jacey-Lynne
Veto Ceremony Results: Jacey-Lynne used the veto on herself. Martin nominated Betty
Evicted: ?
10:20am Bedroom – Martin and Betty.
Martin – I always said I wanted to play an honest game. Betty – I would never target you. Martin – I’m not targeting you. I am targeting Jay. If I don’t have to break my word, I don’t want to do that. Betty – Its cool. I know I’ve got a vote in your favor. That’s cool. Just don’t guarantee because Jay is saying there are a lot of people on his side and I am not. I am obviously going to fight for myself but awww.. man this early to be lied it really hurt my feelings. Martin – I am sorry I did that. I didn’t want to blindside you. Just the reason why I waited till the last minute .. if it gets out there. I just did what I thought was best for my game. I know Jay is going to go down swinging. Is he guaranteed to go home.. no. Betty – no, I’m sure he is going to get them (votes). I am definitely telling you now .. it is going to take a lot for me to stay in this game. Just because I am buddy buddy with people doesn’t mean I have their votes. They are definitely swinging.
12:20pm Hot Tub area – All the house guests hanging out enjoying the fresh air.
2pm Expedia Room – Betty, Jacey, Steph
Betty – I guess I should talk about the fact that I am on the block. It is just really awkward. Steph – no I know. Betty – I just feel like do what works best for you game. If that is keeping Jay, do that. If that means keeping me, do that. I am really not here to start a smear campaign against Jay and I won’t… I just can’t see myself doing that about anyone. Steph – yeah. Betty – so yeah, if you guys do decide to keep me that is great. You never know in this game who can win power but I feel really strongly about not targeting people that have not done anything but show me love. That is just important to me. Jacey – of course. Steph – yeah. Betty – that is where I will leave it. At the end of the day its all love. What anyone decides to do.. its to benefit their own game. I won’t hate on anyone. Steph – you are liked to have around. Betty – thank you. I know Jay is as well. Steph – yes, you both are. Betty – I just want to stay. I don’t know what else to say. Steph – its a tough position to try and sell yourself too right!? Jacey – no you actually feel disgusting to do it. Just everything you say to everybody seems so fake even though its real. Like oh my god, they think I’m fake. Its just such a gross feeling. Betty – and its just so inauthentic to like no having spoken game with you but hey I’m on the block. I just don’t want anything that I say to see disingenuous or inauthentic. Steph – and I don’t think anyone will, I mean look at the position you’re in right!? Betty – Yeah, I am just really not looking to take a stab at any girl at all right now. I was a little reluctant to come and talk to you because I did hear that you have a vote in Jay’s corner but.. I came here to play and that’s what I want to do. Steph – that’s what I want to hear. I appreciate you even though hearing that. I never said that (having a vote in Jay’s corner). I appreciate you being up front and honest. The sh*t that I’ve heard the last few days.. its like broken telephone.
3pm Expedia Room. Summer, Jacey and Kyle chatting.
5:10pm Fashion Show Time…
Wednesday Evening:
9pm Bedroom. Jay, Jacey and Steph.
Jay – I just want to say that I love you both. Its been a gentle time. Please do not vote for me and you better.. Big Brother blocks the feeds. Steph – tear sh*t up eh!? Jay – yeah, f**k it up! Don’t just make out with boys. Okay!? I know its tempting. Jacey – we won’t. Jay – they’re both very hot but if I just see you in showmances and thats the reason you go out .. I am going to be very disappointed in you both. Steph – we won’t! We’re going to run it! Jacey – we’re running it. Jay – also Kyle is really sneaky! Be careful of that f**k.. but keep making out with him and then.. (whisper) Steph – we’re going to manipulate. Jay – Played a bit too hard. I was just too much myself. Steph – you’re amazing. They all hug. Jay – tomorrow I will be really sad but today I won’t. It sucks to just be better than anyone else. I am just going to use the platform to say what I want.
Tuesday
First thing this a.m. Kyle revealed to Gino that he and Moose went to Ryerson together (a year apart) and knew each other before the show. A lot of that was feed block. But it gets filled in later.
They’ve decided to bring in Hermon to the Pettyboys coverband after all. They are thinking of pulling in Jess Kevin and Haleena to their group of six ( the Retreat plus Marty).
Jess and Kyle play chess. literally and figuratively in their conversation.
Jess tells Marty and Kyle voting out Jay is very hard for her because they are both non binary, and it feels like losing a comfort (she explains it as similar to Marty having to vote out Gino given Gino provides him the ability to speak his native tongue it’s a comfort and level of understanding thing she explains). Each of Jess, Haleena and Kevin have weak and pitifuled their way into possible safety next week if the majority of the house gets power. Each of them had the goal to act alone and work their way into the middle of the house. In SOME sense, all three have accomplished this on SOME level.
Hermon tells Jay he can’t vote for him, his community would not appreciate him going against a member of their own group.
Betty’s campaign to Steph is very watered down. Keep me if it’s good for you type stuff.
Jay’s campaign to Marty is Betty is emotional, I can separate game from real.
Jay’s campaign to Kyle: I’ll go after Summer, not you guys.
Betty’s campaign to Hermon: do i have to ask? Hermon says you have my vote (they went to highschool together a couple of years apart and belonged to the same Habesha growing up).
Kyle and Moose. Both trying to play and spin each other. I’ve come to the conclusion that Moose cannot tolerate Hermon because he feels Hermon is his competition in every sense (big personality, wants to lead). I expect now that Hermon is making a play for Steph (or vice versa) Moose will try to make a play for Steph as well. book it. He’s THAT guy.
Fashion show Today. sideye. Game wise, Jay used the opportunity to lameass campaign to the second group in the show. Aaaand Moose compliments Stephs smell and how good she looks. Not saying i told you so, but THAT.
Note. May just be me: I think a production note has come down. Savage Seven members that were intensely targeting within their alliance seem to be toning it down a lot. It’s not gone. It’s less. FOR sure the note went to Summer, who has spent the last two days talking about securing the Man’s Down as a fallback and pulling in Kevin as puppy… Is now chessboarding how to protect the Savage Seven and planning a Kevin nomination with Jess. Yesterday it was who can we use to take out Gino and Kyle? Today it’s the seven is holy. BIIIIG sideye on the play.
lil bit of drama between Ugly Betty and Kevin in the bathroom yesterday…she told Kevin “have a good life buhbye”….Kevin said ” ok this is the last thing ill say”…she tells him, “i dont want to hear a thing that comes out of your mouth,..you get that?”….Kevin says, “well when youre ready to talk” she tells him, “ill never be ready to talk, thanks” LMAO
looks like they squashed it last night, all smiles with a handshake and a hug
Tuesday part 2
Summer and Marty chat. She expresses that any talk of her keeping Jay is a lie (she considered it), and that She’s loyal to Marty. Marty expresses he kept hearing things about Betty, Tynesha, Summer and Josh. He heard those things from Kevin using info from Haleena. This was where i was thinking a couple of days ago that Kevin was causing himself and/or Haleena exposure. Because process of elimination, who was in those talks? Haleena. So exposure that someone informed when Kevin kept Haleena’s name out… exposes Haleena when says too much Marty begins Martysplaining.
Summer no longer trusts Haleena but wants to keep her as a number. She tells this to Tynesha and Betty.
Marty and Hermon walk in on this chat. When leaving, Hermon and Marty agree that the three of them meeting secretly in a room just after Marty’s talk with her does not look good AT ALL.
part 3
Hermon and Steph are making out and people know about it. Showmance. i hate showmances.
Haleena and Marty solidify their final 2 called MSF. He casually tells her he is working with all the guys but he already told them they are going to bring Haleena along.
Marty and Haleena agree Moose is a target, Steph is a target, but they don’t know the showmance make out stuff, they only know the Jace thinks Steph is being a bitch because Jace won the Gino lotto.
In the house Moose is a multiple target. Betty is a multiple target. Jess is a target. Kyle and Gino are targets. Steph is a target. Josh is a target.
Tynesha is making sure the showmance doesn’t affect the Savage Seven, and have to keep it from imploding as long as possible… Remind me again, Sunday when Ty and Summer said the boys are going to ice them out, so better to keep someone that will take out Gino and Kyle???? Oh right. Sunday doesn’t exist until the storyline department comes back Monday. I said what I said.
Tynesha is also mad that Jay squealed that Ty and Summer wanted to target Jace and Steph. They did say that… once they got rid of Jess.
Bachelorette number two Jace is telling Gino that she and Steph shouldn’t win HOH because there would be social pressure to nominate guys in the Retreat…. so Gino and Kyle should win it for them.
In other words Gino: these are not the puppets to take out Moose you were hoping for, they just want you to put a mattress on your back to give them a free ride to finale. Again, said what I said.
Thanks for providing very detailed recaps. Shame this site overall isn’t really interested in doing that this season. 🙁
Sorry, yes unfortunately we don’t have the time to invest in BBcan this year as we have in the past. It requires a lot of time to fully cover a season and unfortunately the BBCan seasons just aren’t as popular. BBCan also makes it hard as you can only flashback 3-4 hours so it requires constant monitoring which we can’t do with our full time jobs/family life. I’m trying to do a little bit here and there but its difficult 🙁
I know everyone has other commitments so I didn’t want to come off shady.. But damn I didn’t know they made it so hard for feed watchers. Idk why they do that.
I’ll still check the site out for the comments at least. And I’ll be back for BBUS this summer.
No problem 🙂 Thanks for checking in! And yes, definitely come back for BBUS we’ll be covering it full time again 😉
It allows production to go into hyper intervention mode like we witnessed last year. I don’t understand why they just don’t give the “participants” scripts on a daily basis rather than try to get them to memorize what to do during “diary chats”.
Now that all the wokey dokey people bulldozed their way into getting the desired outcome in 2021, maybe they can revert (hopefully at minimum BBUS) back to something that we don’t have to constantly suspend our disbelief and also not feel the need to head to the bathroom mirror to repeat how appalling of a human being I am because of my gender and skin colour.
I’m glad the boys aren’t doing full recaps as even they know how retarded this has become without coming out and saying it.
No worries. As long as I’m awake anyway while the seasons shift and the barometer in my spine is going haywire, it’s as good a thing to do as any other.
Thank you! We appreciate your posts / comments and thoughts on the season! Great job!
Wednesday a.m.
Some general thoughts:
Wednesday a.m.
Some general thoughts:
somehow accidentally double posted. no idea how.
Wednesday (real part one: plans for next week)
Jess Marty started the day with a chat about their super secret relationship and how Marty needs to learn not to use ALL the words every time he speaks.
The day MASSIVELY feels like production course correction day. Sure the drgremlins have been letting them have their fun talking about playing their own games since Sunday… but they’ve slowly been getting people back on course to Dominant alliance picking off the Underdogs as is the tradition. After getting the Savage7 must be kept together talk from Hermon and Tynesha… a few people in the 7 are now confused about who they have left to nominate. Perhaps someone should tell Hermon that Moose has been talking get Hermon since cams came on… but nobody is telling him. That’s showing you right there… the 7 should be doomed by midpoint.
Hermon (mister only the seven matters) has gone to Marty (not in the seven) to say we still good i’m still with you. Marty worries mancing with Steph makes Hermon a bigger target (common comment to Hermon, whose ego is saying nobody would dare).
Betty and Haleena touched base (Betty has been told Haleena isn’t trustworthy by the women’s alliance, Haleena doesn’t trust the women’s alliance or Betty).
Tynesha and Josh talk about motivation and game play. Tynesha would likely nominate Steph or Jace along with Jess is my guess. Josh’s body posture is very keep as far away from her as possible it appears.
Moose tells Marty he’d target a big name: Hermon or Tynesha. Moose. messy moose. says he can get Marty back in with Betty (he can’t) says Jess came to him with a deal but he feels bad (week one they had a no nominate deal, he’s extended it in his brain to be perpetual). Marty is intrigued by the deal. So all of the ground Jess made up last week is gone per new storyline direction is my takeaway. Moose would throw HOH to Kevin to get Kevin to target the seven. I don’t really like Moose gametalks because i always feel like the cleaning lady has to come in and mop afterwards. So messy.
Steph and Jay are having a game talk… Oh good, it’s time for dancing with morons. They don’t understand why Kevin would vote to keep Betty who hates him (he doesn’t want to vote against the house is the easy answer). He wants the unknown to now alliance that was named but never actually started called the badass bitch brigade to save him. That’s Steph and Jace. Jace has joined. They think Hermon is keeping Betty, but maybe they can get to Gino? That poopypants Kevin ruined their plan. Jay says Betty is after Jace and Steph (Jace knows that Jay also said Summer and Tyneesha were after them).
Gino and Summer talk: the only functional part of the Honeybunch. GIno says he will tell Summer what lies have been going once the seven starts to split. Summer wants to go after liars (Summer darlin, you wanted to keep Jay to go after Kyle and Gino, and wanted to groom Kevin for the same purpose, slow your roll on that hypocrisy). The people online craving a Summer showmance with Gino must be collecting masturbatory fantasies about these little side talks.
Jay and Moose vote plea. Moose isn’t sure, he wants to talk numbers with Kyle. Jay is anti Kevin and anti Summer and Tynesha in his talk with Moose. REMEMBER: Jay told the camera he’d say his target was Summer, but it’s actually Kyle and Marty and Gino and Hermon and maybe Moose.
IF I HAD TO GUESS:
Jace and Steph want to throw HOH to one of the guys they are cuddling. Most of the 7 who have multiple side deals going, are limited in their options to nominate…. so some of them will throw; more of them will throw if Jess is out of the comp. Kevin and Haleena are trying to rat float to the mid point, winning third HOH is a bad idea in a rat float game… but makes them easy pawns. I’m thinking throw unless their names come up. People actively wanting HOH? Who knows… Josh?? Jess. Betty. Hellifiknow. The men in the seven will try to win as long as Jess and Betty are in the comp.
Wednesday (part two the Eyeroll report)
By this point some of the house know about Hermon and Steph.
Now Jace and Gino have been caught making out. Who knows? Jess saw. Summer saw.
Jace ran to… Haleena and told her.
By nightfall tmartyz will be telling everyone “da teeam neez to keep it in dere paanz” in his special broadcast news report.
Thank you Simon and Dawg for your hard work! I’m going to try to make a couple donations this season since I know you probably get a lot less for BBcan.
And thank you another name and other commenters for keeping us up to date for feeds when S/D can’t, and for all your 2 cents on the players! Love reading what you have to say, and always good for some laughs. So far I’m pretty hyped for this season, but ask me again in a couple weeks and I might change my mind LOL
Wednesday oh right it’s the veto filler episode night.
One preamble: I’m still of my bb23 frame of mind: there are 16 people playing big brother this season. Yeah, when i see bias i’m calling it out, but I’m calling out the bias of ANY of the 16 (soon to be 14) people in the house because everyone gets judged by the same scale in my mind. I say that because I thought I just heard Summer saying Jay was one of the people that agreed not to target poc, so Jay saying he’d target Summer and Tynesha was rotten. If there is such an agreement in the house, I’m going to say it’s biased behavior.
Episode view
Jay is target, Jace pawn.
Jay is going to fight tooth and nail he says. Jay thinks he’s staying no matter what at this point.
FILLER Jace realizes she never really formed any relationships beyond chasing Gino.
Kevin thinks he’s renom potential.
The affirmation in the mirror room. Summer d/r content. Followed by newage hippiedippie crap for narcissists.
Josh and Jay connection
Back to game:
Haleena Josh talk re keeping Jay. Haleena wants to stay invisible. Betty joins. All prefer Jay to stay at this moment.
They are skipping lots of relationships. LOTS. Haleena and Marty and with Kevin is blacklisted for some reason. Women’s alliance is non existent. Retreat doesn’t exist. Men’s alliance doesn’t exist. This is weird.
The veto pick was veeery good for Jay. (ed. oops)
Did they establish that Kyle and Gino are Marty’s boys yet? I guess the veto pick shows that. Gino joins post veto conversation…. while sitting on the toilet with the door open. ummmm.
SHOWMANCE FILLER. not bothering. don’t care.
Jess and Kevin are working together announcement. So the Haleena involvement is not storyline. oh. that’s going to make how Jess and Kevin had all the info to keep Kevin off the block odd. Sideye like psychic level clairvoyance odd.
VETO COMP: CAKE IT TIL YOU BAKE IT
IT’S ONE OF THE BBCAN NINE END OF SEASON COMPS only easier.
Josh wants to take Jay off the block? ( ed.Jay told Josh not to use it if he wins.)
Betty is Bettying. Saying go business B and sucking.
Haleena is a klutz. Josh is not a factor i don’t think.
Jay looks to be quitting at some points. Jace falls
One hour. Jay giving up again. Jace is on the last level. JACE WINS VETO.
The blonde squad celebrates. Jay cries. They cut out Jay calling out the men’s alliance before veto. Jess asks Betty if Betty is safe. Betty says Marty tells her to put her feet up.
Jess is getting a LOT of airplay this episode. The boys are getting zero. Kyle who? That much.
Oh there’s Kyle. Getting the Betty should be happy to be a pawn edit.
Kevin and Betty talk pawnstar. Betty tells him other options. Lots of Betty foreshadow since veto.
Kevin and Marty have a beer. So reality: we saw. Getting Betty on the block was a community project. They skipped loads.
Jace uses Veto, BETTY IS RENOM
Unpopular Opinion:
There is zero difference logistically and logically between Summer and Tynesha worrying that they will be chopped by the seven for being the only women, and Kyle worrying that he and Gino will be chopped by the seven because the rest are poc. The only difference is sociological zeitgeist.
Neither is wrong. Moose, and then Kyle have mentioned the women are closer to Hermon than them, therefore to weaken Hermon, they should target Tynesha. Tynesha and Summer have mentioned getting someone to fire at the guys (Kyle and Gino). In game terms, strategically both are correct in their assessment.
Wednesday final thought:
Jace and Steph want to throw HOH’s until week six or seven. They think the boys will protect them. They seem to think Haleena is a number for them, and they think there are seven people that wouldn’t nominate them or vote either of them out.
Summer is annoyed that Gino is with Jace now, because she wanted to keep Jace open as a target and now feels like she has to protect her because she and Gino are the remaining Honeybunch.
Every step forward Jess made this week no longer exists. It was an odd thing. Seriously. It feels like production stepped in and said okay, you’ve all had your fun, now back to the storyline everyone. On a massively boring feed day: that felt visible to me.
The boys now want Kevin to win HOH to be their puppet.
Kyle went to get Josh’s confirmation that he’s still with the 7. I actually don’t think Josh IS. Kyle reveals Betty is his next target. (ed. Josh doesn’t like many of the alliance members, and he likes Betty). IF Josh is actually with the 7… I’m sorta shook that he’s being that sociopathically good at acting.
Gino reveals Summer knows they kissed. Jace admits that Haleena figured it out. They agree to give the house what they want. Do I get a vote????? barf.
So, technically, go back to where the house stood on Saturday by about 7pm if you want to know where things stand in the game going into week three. Given the episode edit, that’s the only way anything is going to make sense. Sunday / Monday had a lot of game shift that doesn’t exist anymore like everyone was jedi mindwiped.
I forgot to say: the edit this season is very season 6 style. There are roughly 7 alliances active in the house. They show us ONE.
I very much disliked season 6 because their edit was so mythological… well that and I wrote down the eviction order during week one episodes, and quit watching more and more when the eviction order was my prediction (i got two people reversed liv and Maddie, otherwise called the season just from how they edited week one premier).
So if the show edit continues to be so ridiculous, i will likely watch less and less of the episodes. Fair warning.
i loved season 6. Paras was so great… im really hoping season 11 is an all stars, i want Paras to come back…i loved her on the feeds
Feed Paras and Episode Paras were TWO completely different people.
The edited version was Neda manipulating the chessboard
The feeds version was Sabrina crying in bed.
Thursday
So last night was the first meeting of most of the Savage 7 in the same room?
Um. mmm’kay. Yeah, I’m putting my game life in the hands of a bunch of people that I’ve yet to meet up with and just relying on a broken telephone to relay information.
Sideye. yeah. i know. Telephone room meetings and a broken telephone alliance. Sideye… this screams of production handpicked alliance to me.
BTW…. before Summer stans think she’s a genius for realizing there’s no Q on the phone… rotary and push buttons didn’t have a Q. Just for clarity.
Isn’t it funny. I’m rather disgusted with bbtwitter this season, I’m going to be upfront about that. There’s an ugly side to the fanbase that demands everyone play the game according to their fantasies. If a houseguest says or does anything that interferes with the ugly side’s fantasy big brother league thoughts on how the relationships should be in the house… look out.
Kyle is now labeled as a racist by this group. The moment he mentioned wanting to turn on the other members of the Savage 7. This one, I don’t agree with for reasons I’ve stated previously. Not saying he doesn’t show bias. Saying in this instance it’s completely because the ugly side didn’t like that he named the same people they cheered for naming him as a target.
THE MOMENT Gino and Jace made out, the ‘Summer and Gino should showmance’ crowd went on the deep dive hunt for dirt on Jace to Beth or Ethan her. They found tweets from an old account used a decade ago with racial slurs. Effect: family is getting death threats and production is getting complaints to remove her. Funny that this happened within an hour of Jace and Gino making out, isn’t it? I mean, they could have found those any time between cast reveal and today (my own dive into cast members was only about ninety seconds each, all i found was figure skating stuff and a couple locked current socials). Am i condoning her tweets? Not in the slightest. Am i excusing her tweets? Not in the slightest. Do I like how she plans to play the game? Not in the slightest. Am I pointing at the timing and saying gee, isn’t that convenient? Dingdingding. Don’t care for Jace’s game, or Jace really. Think the timing is 100% because she is seen as the impediment keeping Gino from showmancing Summer in that part of the fanbase’s mind.
Jay is still leaving as of late last night.
Thursday2
Feeds went down exceptionally early for BBCAN eviction day. Usually wake up, a couple hours of scramble, feeds going down at about 1230 or 100 for tech rehearsal with taping beginning between 230 and 300. Feeds were down much earlier this time.
That has some wondering if they are doing an instant eviction.
Not a fan of instant evictions of the past: no veto, no campaign time… just gone. Therefore i hope it’s not the case because they suck. If history of their edits serves as an example, it would be Jess most likely out the door. Does that matter to game stagnation trajectory (the show edit version of the house events)… it explains a bit.
Going to show some of my own bias here… by naming the house guests whose games i am watching either because i want to see if they have any game, or because i see the game they are trying to play, and want to see how it works out. These are not my faves… these are the people that i’m trying to get a full read on: I’m watching Tynesha, and Josh to see what game they have… and watching Gino and Haleena to see if they can actually play the game they are attempting. Summer and Betty get social media adoration for breathing so that makes me care less. I don’t really like Jace, Steph Kyle or Moose’s games. Kevin, Jess, Marty and Hermon’s games? I pretty much get their game style without having to look deeper.
What we REALLY need to see: the people that have clocked six of the 7 as working together… do they just forget they think that after a lengthy d/r.
We also REALLY need an explanation of Josh’s game. Because…. he’s a house ghost.
THURSDAY EPISODE
preamble: sorry about my rant earlier. I’m not an apologist for Jace. It’s the fourth call for cancellation I’ve seen this season and all of them within an hour of a houseguest saying or doing something that the twitter fanbase of Summer doesn’t like. Haleena, Kyle, Jay and Jace all got cancel calls. It’s ridiculous to me that anyone that says her name as a target or doesn’t play the game in her best interest gets cancelled / ratio’d. That’s not against Summer. That’s against the really creepy side of the fanbase cult mentality.
EVICTION EPISODE
the 40 year marty party hoh week ends.
Post eviction:
Jay d/r best move Marty could make.
Betty d/r tears. blindsided.
Fallout
Jess / Jay (Jess covers ass). Jay says there is a men’s alliance.
Man Downs alliance announced. Summer, Haleena, Tynesha, Betty. ed. it’s backup to everyone but Betty.
Kevin segment. the Betty Kevin clip that was released. the clip is a good 6 seconds too long for the dramatic music effect. Have a nice life. buhbye should have ended it.
Special announcement will be the Ika Dem wedding announcement. Remember when the fanbase wanted Dem removed for old tweets? That was before they showmanced.
Take it to church segment between Summer and Kevin.
Tynesha Summer pair segment. Summer centric in filler content tonight? Seems like it.
Jay / Josh segment. Jay looking to campaign. Can’t see why I think Josh has ghosted the seven…. this is why.
Betty Marty talk. anyone else notice the slip up that she would have voted out Kevin??? She’s supposed be saying she would have voted out Jay there. She’s proving WHY she is the good renom RIGHT THERE.
Jay smudging segment.
Campaign Trail
Betty Haleena. Jace will give her vote, Steph hasn’t said.
Haleena d/r…. she isn’t conflicted so what’s this poo?
Jay is trying to get Jace and Steph. Says he has Jess and Josh.
The wedding announcement… wasn’t season 5 in the old studio set? Just asking.
THE VOTE:
gino: jay / haleena: jay / hermon: betty (set up vote) / summer: jay / kevin: jay / jace: jay / steph: jay / kyle: betty (set up vote) / moose: jay / tynesha: jay/ josh: jay
who are they setting up for the vote??? Jess / Kevin / Moose / Jace / Steph?
HOH Comp
Tough Sledding
Steph 20 / Gino 21 / Hermon dq / kevin dq / jace 21 / josh 23 / haleena 21 / tynesha 18 / summer 22 / jess 20 / kyle 24 / moose 22 / betty dq
KYLE IS HOH
would have preferred Josh to see wth he would do.
Safety vote opening to fans.
For anyone planning to vote for the safety:
Kyle has mentioned Betty and Jess as potential nominees with a backdoor of Josh or Moose.
Those are the four that he’s named as in jeopardy most often this week.
But he did hear Moose say that Summer and Tynesha are Hermon’s backers. Gino never supports a Summer nomination.
Hermon is pushing 7 strong and blaming his vote on Jess. Like that wasn’t obvious.
Post episode one on ones.
DOES KYLE BURN THE 7 or the RETREAT or the Outsiders????
Marty: mile a minute news report: wants kyle to target Josh, Betty, Summer, Tynesha and maybe Hermon/Moose. Marty thinks Kyle gets to evict four or five people it seems. he’s talking soooooo fast. Josh overheard Marty saying Josh is a threat.
Moose. told Betty and Jess likley noms. Moose brings up backdoor option. Kyle oh yeah… that’s a possibility isn’t it… don’t know about thaaat. wink wink nudge yeah he’s already thought of that with the retreat alliance that already have safety.
Kevin: Jess isn’t the play that’s weaksauce. She’s more isolated than he is. thanks for bringing me to Wendy’s… we’ll talk more then.
Betty. Offers 2 weeks safety. Kyle confesses he was one of the votes.
Jess. Offers alliance with him. wants to work with him and Marty (not out of left field, this was brought up during a chess game 2 days ago). Kyle unsure, thinks Jess is a beast that will end his game.
Tynesha. asks her for safety to jury…. they’re in an alliance. Tells her he wants the seven but think some of the seven don’t want him. Tynesha says the seven about 50 times in about five minutes to reinforce loyalty.
Summer: he says he adores the 7, but he’s been hearing things. Summer says Jay named the seven except he put Jace and Steph in Summer and Ty’s place. Kyle floats the jury promise again. Way to build trust with your own alliance Kyle. and talking about having to burn bridges this week.
Summer volunteers Steph would be her target and Jace hates Steph. so no all woman alliance and Gino wants Steph out, so does Tynesha.
GINO ONE ON ONE (his ride or die so this is important)
Kyle considers nominating Steph the Human Loofa.
Kyle is actually considering Steph Jess Betty combination Whu? He has NEVER said Steph’s name…. weirdness. Kyle is considering the power break to be Jess,Kevin,Haleena with Kyle, Gino Marty and Jace against what he thinks is Hermon’s army. So Betty Steph?
Steph: names Jess or Kevin on the block with a target on Josh. Steph says Summer and Tynesha were mad Kyle won. Tells her putting up Jess and she wins veto he’s her target.
GINO PART TWO
Kyle wants backup there when he tells Steph she’s going on the block. Gino says he’ll get in between them and take the couch to the head when she throws it at him. *side note: anyone thinking Gino isn’t finding this hilarious… he is. look at his jaw, he’s trying not to laugh at the absurdity that is Kyle’s logic while getting exactly what he wanted… a Stephless house Jace as his exclusive puppet or Kyle becoming the big target instead of him.
Jace: doesn’t get the Betty nom. Thinks make a deal with Jess she needs someone to stick their hand out and she’ll be loyal to whoever gives her that hand. She thinks the plan is backdoor Tynesha. No clue the nom will be Steph. More talk of bridges burning. Gino face change at any talk of Hermon. hmmm. interesting. Gino gets douchey after Jace leaves.
GINO PART THREE
should he prep Jace? Because without Steph she’ll be on an island. and you know… Gino has needs, and needs some affection time. Both guys laugh.
*Explanation of Hermon’s Army: Gino had previously made comments about the red room making an alliance early in the game and Kyle worries it might be a thing. Jace and Steph believe it’s a thing as well. Kyle now worries that Moose and Hermon are both playing the get information and take it back to the bedroom spy game.
Feeds went down after Gino explained Kyle’s plan of Steph and Betty noms to Marty. Marty thinks it’s not a bad plan (if my i speak french at the level of a four year old translated correctly).
One on Ones
continued
Hermon: Kyle begins with making Hermon think he’s the target.. then saying just kidding.
eyeroll.
As long as it’s not 7 or as long as Hermon is part of the discussion if it is 7, then Hermon is good.
Hermon is smarming Kyle up like a used car salesman with a pinto and a mortgage payment due. It’s… gladhanding that anyone not Kyle could see from 10 miles away.
Kyle thinks the 7 won’t make it intact past week 5. He thinks someone will go rogue and take the first shot, and he doesn’t want it to be him they shoot first. He says Moose is already naming seven members as targets to everyone.
Kyle logic tree: Betty and Haleena are waste of an HOH and he likes Haleena. Kevin isn’t looking anywhere near them. Marty is with them, Jess could very well be used as a grenade if anyone in the seven tries anything fishy, Jace is the stronger, but Gino has her in a spell, so that leaves Steph. Hermon approves of the logic. Kyle worries about Jess, but sees value as well, but she scares him… feed cut.
They discuss how to calm Jace about everything.
Moose: feedcut plagued one on one. Kyle isn’t down with backdoor Jess because backdoors make people look untrustworthy. Kyle doesn’t have a relationship with Steph.
Moose says Summer is worried about Betty’s vibe (it was Moose that was worried about Betty’s vibe in that conversation Summer played into the conversation and used it). Messy moose 101: what he says in a conversation? He puts that on the person he’s talking to. pouty Moose wants Jess gone. Messy moose has been assigned to coach Gino on getting Jace to allign with the boys. Sideye. other side Sideye… what could go wrong. Brief talk of who to pawn if Steph wins veto.
Goodnight houseguest #1.
*Remember: Moose thinks his real world friendship with Kyle means they are a final 2.
Kyle knows Moose and knows he’d be the first one to backstab to get himself further though, Kyle has seriously considered beating Moose to the punch.
I’m not sure if Kyle’s plan is Howie level or if it has reached Christian level for sheer idiocy.
However, Steph, Summer, Jace, Tynesha, Jess, Betty have all said Kyle’s name.
The show has not revealed the Retreat as existing. Edit wise this doens’t do a thing.
The decision isn’t made, but with all the guys in the PBCoverband agreeing with it? It might stick. If Kyle DOES nom Steph? He loses a possible number in that Savage 7 implosion he’s worried about.
So Kyle wants to get the blue room and Haleena together as a group in case there is a red bedroom alliance? Oh, that would be the Hermon, Summer, Tynesha, Betty, Josh group he’s mentioned… the red bedroom.
to screw over kyle, and for max drama, im putting my safety vote for kyles target STEPH
i want the twist to reveal at the ceremony steph was kyles attempted nom so everyone knows including steph, only for it to be blocked
that would be pretty crazy to see
if you want the most entertainment… vote safety for steph…and if saved she will go after the guys to help try to stop this bro steamroll and not make things so easy for them
Want to know what screws Kyle even more? Give it to someone in the seven he had no intention of nominating so the house says what do the feeders know that we don’t?
you wasted your vote becuase just now Kyle was talking to the HErmon, then Josh, and Ty and Summer about Moose being the target
looks like majority of voters wasted their vote…marty was never going up this week…rendering the twist useless, but thats probably a good thing for fairness, but a bad thing for entertainment
would have been more interesting seeing it revealed at nom ceremony, with kyle having to nom a third person on the spot after one of his inital 2 noms were blocked
ONE ON ONES THE NEXT DAY
FRIDAY P.1
Note: last week felt so long that i’d forgotten Kyle and Gino thought the Retreat was fake and wanted to cut the women sooner than later on Fri-Sun until Moose started bringing up the target Hermon’s squad stuff.
Sorry, I was brewing coffee and missed the beginning of the day.
Kyle is getting nerve wracked and feeling sick. He actually looks ghastly today… like Gino’s hair cursed him for doing such a horrible job in the cut.
He explains his plan to Marty. Marty is cool with it.
Hermon wants to gather the seven (imo Hermon is not cool with the plan He wants to keep his real world attachment Betty and his showmantic attachment Steph, and wants Jess gone… Hermon is saying he’s cool with the plan but i expect Hermon will rally the seven against Kyle soon). The fact that Hermon feels it his place/duty to gather and tell the seven is a bit of a red flag Kyle is missing. Hermon is undisputed Lord and Master of that alliance, and unwilling to not be in control of the group is my bare bones on it. HUGE red flag if i’m HOH. He’s put off that he has to deal with Steph’s aftermath. Shouldn’t have made out with her. The fact that Kyle didn’t ask Hermon what to do on Kyle’s HOH from moment one is LIKELY not sitting well in Hermon’s head. Just a psychological observation.
Kyle meets Josh. Tells him the plan. during the talk he says the first cryptic negative Haleena comments i’ve ever heard from Kyle, that she could be a problem later… that Jess could be a problem later as well…. but that Steph has named the boys as targets, so she gotta go.
Meanwhile:
Hermon meets outside with some of the seven (Moose, Tynesha) who decide that Kyle and Gino are the bottom of the seven. Well who didn’t see that coming. Even Kyle has said he has seen it coming. And he’s burning his game to prove he’s all in with them. mmhmm.
Moose is totally lying about feeling uncomfortable in his talks with Kyle. He’s just pissy Kyle didn’t let Moose run his HOH. Tynesha was put off by the jury safety. Hermon by the joke at the beginning to make Hermon feel like a target. But the cumulative effect is that Kyle told Hermon too much, and Hermon is sharing it because like Moose, Kyle isn’t making Hermon feel like he is running the HOH.
Kyle Haleena. Kyle blabs his every thought to Haleena. Summer and Ty were options. Steph is target for the target boys talk (a rumor Haleena started in Marty’s ear to get Marty to put up Steph instead of Kevin). Kyle tells her about the retreat. Haleena suggests Kyle not name a target until post POV because well… he could make more enemies than required if there is a renom situation. Tells Haleena the rogue vote was likely meant to be pinned on Josh or Jess.
Kyle Betty. Betty is informed she is a nom. Betty grovels. It doesn’t work.
Kyle Summer (jumps line ahead of Jess). Kyle asks if Hermon has told her yet? nope. Summer is fine with the noms. Summer wants to make sure none of the seven are pawnable after veto. The convo has a vibe.
Kyle Jess. She’s convinced she’s the nominee. He does his fake out joke nobody has found funny…. yeesh.
Just spilled coffee ala Josh on myself. sorry. brb.
Jess mentions whoever is casting rogue votes must feel really comfortable.
Gino knows Betty has been told. He’s trying to tell Kyle that Jace will be fine / keep her mouth shut when she finds out… really?
Gino/Jess. Jess tells Gino whoever the rat is with the rogue vote… that’s her target. Gino feels the same way. Okay, the house knows Kyle took ownership of one vote (why did i not know this?) Betty asked Gino if he was the other. Jess asks Gino if he finds out who is so untrustworthy to go against the HOH after promising the HOH their vote, to tell her, because she can’t trust that kind of player. Summer joins, offers maybe Kevin did it. (Jess and Kevin are secret underground with Haleena, so I’m doubting Jess buys Kevin).
ONLY members of the house that DON’T know: Kevin, Jace and Steph. Kevin is the Wendy’s date.
Apparently the lack of sleep thing due to season change is actually making me clumsy. spilled coffee again.
BBCAN votes are… psst… I don’t believe in them because of season 6 regulations that stated bb maintains the right to cancel votes during or after the voting period (in order to keep bots from voting they say… but that’s when they had captchas) I’m thinking even if the vote isn’t manipulated the casual watchers that log on to vote for their fave but don’t stay to watch feeds will rule the vote. I 40% expect a Betty save, but there’s doubt.
Okay. If I catch the Jace Steph reaction I’ll post to keep everyone up to date…
If i get something wrong… PLEASE feel free to tell me what i screwed up. Or… jump in, and share your thoughts!
When i pushed enter the Jace Kyle convo was about to start.
Jace is shocked.
she wasn’t expecting it. Realizes the house is picturing her and Steph as a duo.
Both like Jess and Haleena and want to work with them.
Kyle says if not Steph he’d have to go for Moose… Mentions Hermon as well.
Jace doesn’t want to be the Brigade Brit this season. She’s tired of outside looking in while the boys plot and leave her in the cold. Kyle has mentioned Moose multiple times… and the red room thinking they run the show (did Moose create that rumor of a Hermon led secret alliance in the red bedroom? I actually don’t know WHO started that… Marty?)
THIS IS GOING TO GET UGLY FOR KYLE.
btw Kevin knows Jess is safe. Doesn’t know who the nom will be… but he’s shocked.
Marty told Summer he’s in an alliance with Gino and Kyle.
Has oversharing become an epidemic?
Kyle Steph. somewhere around… 12:20 pm bbt
OMG.
the yelling, the popcorn worthiness.
She wants names and wows a lot. piissed.
now calling in MOOSE… and she’s yelling at him now…. popcorn for EVERYONE
and Kyle’s game is that derailed train GIF…..
Just remember…. she’s not MAD, she’s just YELLING! lmao.
Oh Kyle… ur doomed.
Moose didn’t back Kyle up AT ALL. Moose saved his own ass. He said given relationships that Steph should be considered. Didn’t own naming her as going after Kyle.
Steph is now at the tears segment of her notification.
Moose thinks this is all a plot to get rid of him… and he’s sure he knows who is behind it.
Someone flush twice… i think Kyle’s soul is still circling the bowl.
Kyle buries Moose the moment Moose leaves. Moose can talk his way out of anything can’t he, no wonder he’s playing the middle is the basics of Kyle’s cover.
Tynesha Hermon discuss not knowing all the Moose stuff and the Bad Bitches Brigade stuff…. Hermon is unbothered when asked by Tynesha and Summer if he’s worried about how to play Steph.
AND here we go with Hermon voicing that Kyle didn’t go to the seven (*HIM) and pledge seven loyalty and ask them what he should do. I knew it was bugging Hermon that Kyle didn’t seek blessing as much as lay out the plan. Hermon Summer and Tynesha feel they’ve been told what to do. Let’s remember: Summer is the one that planted the target Steph earwig this week. So she feels unconsulted about the plan she set in motion. mmkay.
That was funfeeds.
MOOSE: Hermon is the snitch.
Marty: Hermon might be the rogue vote.
Going to be in and out this afternoon and evening. Snow… so shovelling.
Feeds were down for a long while after Kyle started to worry that Hermon or Moose might be the actual play to make. He went to Jess for advice, and then had Wendy’s with Kevin during a lengthy feed block.
He’s still going Betty / Steph…. but the backdoor of Hermon is a possibility.
He told Jace it was Moose and Hermon that told him to watch out for Steph and Jace.
Jace said Hermon told Steph he was totally against her nomination.
Gino is trying to step in to cool all the egos down in the mens’ alliance.
So Kyle might be calling out Hermon and Moose before noms???? Such a messy day.
Moose is practicing for his bus driver exam, using Hermon as a speed bump in his talk to Gino and Kyle. Kyle is sick of being treated like an infant when it comes to info distribution… should the whole 7 get together? sideye. SOME-body missed his nap….
MOOSE IS PUSHING HERMON/TYNESHA/SUMMER NOMS.
Gino isn’t buying Moose’s messiness. Gino wants to talk to Summer and Hermon. (Gino knows Tynesha is saying his name so I doubt he wants to ask her nothing).
TODAY IS A WRECKING BALL
So much fun!!! And we haven’t even got to the safety insurance thing yet!!!
SPOILER: Marty (facebook group, east coast and french speaking vote) won safety.
So casual non feed watchers?
Moose doesn’t know it but….. he’s now on the hot seat.
Haleena’s rat game got it’s first taste of exposure and Jess was named as targeting Hermon (Summer is in full deflection mode, throwing people she doesn’t like much to the wolves in case any of the shite she’s been talking surfaces). Gino knows Haleena ratted on Steph and sorta Jace to Summer about week one.
The seven want to replace Moose with Marty because he’s Canada’s favorite. No really, that plays a BIIIIG part in why.
Hermon still can’t believe Moose was naming him as a target and he never got the slightest clue. So wonders if everyone should just take Kyle’s word for it. Ask Gino or Marty… they were there multiple times… but hey.
Steph is still set to be nominated… only with Moose.
Hermon says Kyle is targeting Moose because Kyle is afraid to go to final 7 with 5 people of colour. I’m saying true in part…I bet for sure he’s thinking bb23 when they get to final 7.
Hermon made deal with the people of colour that they are the priority in the seven this morning. I’m saying true to that as well. Only Josh not included.
Moose has been naming Hermon and Tynesha as targets for a week straight: True as well but Hermon doesn’t believe it because nobody told him and it was against gameplan.
Tynesha wants them to pull in Betty/Haleena/Kevin and maybe Jess if things go sideways. Summer agrees (Summer just under the bused Haleena and Jess).
Hermon HATES the level of crazy going on today. I”M LOVING IT.
Hermon thinks they might have to flip on Kyle.
Huge Question:
Last week Moose was in conversation with one of the girls. He said he didn’t have a large circle of friends anymore because he’d screwed over a lot of people. Kyle seems to very much distrust his irl connection with Moose…
SO
WTF was going on in the damned sports media program at Ryerson???
Did they have a secret black market hunger games deathmatch cage fightclub happening in Ryerson Community Park?
If Summer is thinking Kyle and Moose can both go for lying abut knowing each other, but the house seems fine with knowing Hermon and Betty’s connection and they won’t vote each other out (but apparently will cast a rogue vote)? I’m side eyeing.
Looked at the Jace tweets that got her cancelled. i don’t like them. I want to see the conversation for the one everyone is pointing at as the worst for only one reason. There’s quotation marks… is she quoting what someone else said to point them out for being racist, or is she agreeing with the racist statement? the others don’t use quotation marks as part of her texting style is why i said why the quotation marks what is the before and after in that thread that isn’t shown to me….. (still don’t like them want context).
If the secret underground players are smart, they are woodwork today, and sniffing out where everyone is running in the room to room contest. Not sure if any of them are actually DOING that. Until veto is played, I’d be sitting on a couch watching the ping pong balls bouncing door to door to see how the nominations have altered the house. Doing that gets them to jury.
If I’m Kyle and I thought today was a good day… goooood grief.
If I’m storyline dept. i’m laughing my ass off because today is a big day for their plan.
Moose nominated, acting docile. i wanted the feeds to pop back on with a big fight. Betty is so happy
Friday end of day
Sort of glad post noms was somewhat docile…
The day was super fun for chaos, but a lot. It was a lot.
Nomination roulette was
Betty/Jess,Betty/Steph,Betty/Steph/HermonHermon/Moose,Betty/Steph/Moose,Moose/Betty,Betty/Steph, Moose/Steph. I think there were a few more names in there at times (Tynesha, or Summer at one point were somewhere in there).Effects
ODDITIES
Hermon was 100% against bringing Jace in to replace Moose in the seven because it was logistically difficult to bring in a new member now. Hermon was 100% for bringing Marty in to replace Moose in the seven because it’ll be fine, Canada loves him (and Hermon made a final 2 with him).
What is Betty’s actual place in the house now? Actually don’t know.
Why do both sides actively exclude Josh when the gamer squirrels try to divvy up the nuts?
thank you bb gods for kyles messiness, i much prefer that over predictable weeks
good presence of mind for steph to grab moose and bring him up to the hoh and grill him in front of kyle, which helped take some of the target off of her and onto moose…and made kyle think shes been nothing but truthful to him, a target to keep around, and he realised his mistake of targeting steph
most players wouldnt think to do what steph did confronting moose in front of kyle or have the balls to do that in the heat of the moment, i enjoy seeing players who are a bit fearless, unafraid to call people out, take a risk to help themselves when needed
i laughed when she stormed down into the kitchen, called moose out in front of everyone…he goes,”but im in the middle of cooking,” and she replies,”i dont give a shit” , it was like a mom getting angry at their child…get up to hoh now young man, youre in big trouble haha
im sure theres people who may not like steph, but shes always going to be one of the more lively and entertaining personalities and i hope she stays a while
Scenarios regarding alliancing for wrecking ball dumpster fire week.
It stopped snowing. cool.
As a few of them are stirring out of bed, I’ve got some thoughts on the new dynamics.
Marty is being brought in on a lot of renewed alliances. Marty. Who tells everyone everything.
Kyle namedropped far too many alliances yesterday. Honestly, he’s screwed, it’s only a matter of how many games he’s taking down with him.
Steph is screwed if she doens’t win veto. Mark my words.
Betty… I give her a hard time. Now is no different. I could not be in a living environment with Betty, she annoys me. Sorry about that, but it’s true. I mean, considering her response to last week’s nomination, she’s surprisingly dismissive of the feelings of nominees this week. Yes, she should be happy she’s not on the block, but being catty about one of the nominees while she’s standing ten feet away is crass. It made me respect her less.
We’re finally getting into the actual storyline breakdown for the season now.
I’m thinking Moose campaigning to four of the seven would be fine.
I think Moose campaigning to anyone he deems beneath him (the rest of the house) in the game would not go well. His tone of voice. He just can’t help being condescending and bordering on rude to the people he doesn’t think are cool enough for him. If he doesn’t win veto he’s gotta hope for a whole whack of people keepng him just to spite Kyle.
Veto picks
Steph / Moose with Josh, Betty, and…Jess(?).
Confirmation:
not Jess in veto. Gino in veto. Haleena host.
Everyone seems to be gunning for veto, but none of the picks want to use it.
Josh seems to buy that Kyle is paranoid and Moose is a victim?
He won’t use veto to keep Betty from being the renom, but he told Steph he’d use it on Moose before he’d use it on her is what he told Betty.
Kyle no longer wants the veto used, he doesn’t want to make a renom (awwww, no spin the wheel for renom every ten seconds until the wheel breaks? That’s what his spin head thought process for noms was like… seriously).
I still project if Steph is on the block on Thursday, she’s evicted.
kyle sees how valuable steph can potentially be for his game and how big of a mistake it was targeting her…
steph likes and enjoys the company of the 3 guys kyle has the bro 4 with
she handled the whole nomination day well, impressing kyle first hand dealing with moose
she told kyle she can do that again when needed, doing the dirty work
follow up chats re veto draw with kyle she was selfless, further showing loyalty, a team player
kyle mentioning to marty he thinks steph is such a good person and wants to take her off and put betty up to regain trust
steph can win comps to help keep his bro 4 safe
she is a target and shield
re kyles loyalties outside the bro 4, im sure he sees someone like JL will obviously have much more loyalty to gino first and foremost…but with steph more of a free agent theres much more potential she will have more loyalty to kyle over the other guys in the bro 4 as i think he will put in more work with steph than the other 3 bros
I think Kyle totally screwed himself.
At the present time, he has to hope Hermon swings the seven to save Steph if she’s still on the block, and even then that’s not enough votes (5 out of 11).
If Steph is on the block post veto meeting, her chances of staying are almost zero right now.
if its betty v steph…you would think the 4 bros have influence over JL…and kevin wants betty gone(thats 5 votes)…and kevin and kyle have the connection with jess and could sway her
i will be interested to see if the 4 bros can work the house to get steph to stay, and that outcome is in their collective best interests
a good point kyle mentions to kevin prior to veto, if the outcome is a betty v steph scenario, he mentions its more likely any of them go home vs a betty, so could be smart to eliminate that factor early
Initially I thought Gino would be a problem in keeping Steph only because it was HIS initial dislike of Steph that peaked Kyle’s interest allowing Summer’s target Steph earworm to take root.
I have no clue now what is going down.
Hermon being Hermon and placing priority on epic alliance making history stuff… will he back a men’s alliance thinking strength and run over the competition?
I may be off in this… someone go ahead and clarify if i’ve missed the mark.
Hermon told Josh they should keep Steph because Hermon can control her now that Jace doesn’t want anything to do with her (reality: Hermon is attempting to stack the jury).
Josh now tells Jess that people are saying they want to take out Steph but he wants Moose out and the HOH wants Moose out.
What I noticed when Summer and Tynesha talked to Kevin: have they always been that passive agressively rude to him? There was tone.
Moose is saying he’s being ostracized? Actually, only by his alliances. The people he thinks he is superior to, they check on him and talk to him. Maybe he just needs to get off his high horse and realize he’s got a screwed up perspective on the value of others.
SUSPICION:
individual timed veto? if yes consider 45-55 minutes per participant if last season is any indication… which would mean about 4.25 to 4.75 hours? But feeds for veto have been down as long as… 19 hours in the past. i shit you not.
Usually when i type this feeds come back….
don’t forget clocks go ahead one hour tonight.
four hours fifty minutes later, feeds return.
It appears (95% certain) Moose won POV.
He said it probably looks so cool, going out and winning POV when he needed it most.
Actually incredibly expected.
Dear lord… this means we have 2 days of Kyle renom roulette coming up….
heaven’s to murgatroyd!!!!!
speaking of renom roulette, if tim dormer were in there i could see him spinning the veto wheel to decide a renom, out of a few candidates
I honestly thought week one would be spun wheel nominations to protect the week one HOH because it was chance not bloody hands.
BTW… Quick Question
Would it be production as a strategy to completely get Marty paranoid by saying
:’If I won safety while one of my closest allies was HOH, I’d be wondering why my community is so worried about me this week.’
Just something I’d attempt if I wanted to sow the seeds of maximum chaos.
it is strange the houseguests, particularly marty and kyle, havent considered that, unless i missed it
Well, it looks like Kevin considered it today. And used it, if my catching up phase of the day is correct.
Not my circus not my monkeys…. but what the poop on a saltine is this fresh hell?
Kyle and Moose are having wine together, they’ve invited Gino and Josh to join? I think Hermon might be joining as well??? Oh and Marty. So all the men but Kevin? oh.
gear up the circus music, looneytunes probably has another one of his brilliant ideas.
Meanwhile…. Hermon and Steph were making out in expedia, until Hermon went to join the boys in HOH.
The cams go down for this conversation. So who are the men going to sit back and decide to get rid of? Guess we don’t deserve to hear the first hand version. or it won’t be discussed until much later. BBCAN gonna BBCAN?
2 cams flip on for Steph to be saying she’s going to offer to be the loud mouth piece for the introverts that will do what the house wants.
Summer and Tynesha are locking in with Kevin and Haleena to count votes.
The alliance name being workshopped is Rebel Rejects.
The alliance appears to currently include Kevin, Haleena, Summer and Tynesha and Josh (in absentia) with Betty and maybe Jess? and of course Hermon coming in. They mentioned poc or outsider (non alpha?) or nonbinary or gay winner when talking about their alliance, which made me think Jess might be asked? but who knows.
Kyle’s sausage party in the HOH is not going over with the women. At. ALL.
Haleena reveals Jace told her about 20 minutes before that she doesn’t actually want Steph to stay.
While Sausage fest ‘veto celebration’ goes on (cams came back on)… Summer invites all the non included to join a party in the question mark red bedroom.
Summer was denied entry to HOH being told it was a men’s meeting. Kevin being left out is a bit of a sore sport to a few of the women. Was Kevin let out as a setup… or just excluded? He’s putting on his nail biting act, but doind so in front of the men as well… hmm. not sure.
Kyle Josh renom talk. Who is it better to turf this week Betty or Steph. Josh says the seven controls the numbers, so Betty should stay because she can’t win comps, and the perma pawnstar doesn’t apply to a 7 next to her because the seven controls the numbers.
I’m sort of tired… and starting to get confused by the idea of more Kyle Kyling right now.
If a decision is reached, I’m sure it will be repeated and changed a million times.
SUNDAY
I was away for quite a bit today… this is the catch up shot
Betty has been told she will be renom. The house seems to be expecting Kyle to Kyle and throw up someone else.
I’m very lost today, if you couldn’t tell.
Hermon wants Kyle to stop targeting his allies and busting alliances this week, he’s done enough of that, just chill tf out.
Jace might have figured out Haleena is ratfloating? Perhaps Gino told her the Summer throws Haleena under a bus tidbit? She’s being kept in the middle, not pulled into the new group as originally suggested. She’s still talking to Haleena like they are besties.
Jess is also being left out, but Kyle thinks he and Marty can control / spin Haleena and Jess. They also think they control Kevin.
Kyle talks to Jess saying people were pushing a Josh backdoor. He doesn’t plan to do that, Betty is the renom. Jess tells Kyle that everything he’s saying about keeping Steph is the EXACT opposite of everything he said yesterday about why to get rid of Steph (Kyle called Jess into HOH to do a logic run about targeting Steph when the noms were Steph and Betty before the Moose train).
I think Marty’s woe is me is a modified Kevin approach. Kevin plays dumb and naive, Marty plays woe is me. That’s my thought. Information gathering tactics.
Gino fully believes Tynesha is targeting him. She said it, so he’s not far off (timing wise, he’s off… she said at 7, Moose left that out).
Marty’s talks with Betty and Josh. He will run that as Betty and Josh are a final 2 as further reason to get out Betty. He is FIRMLY anti Josh.
Soooo…
On my chart I had 4 options listed. Option one: Pulling Marty into the existing 7. I don’t think that’s going to happen when the seven is basically broken.
Option two: it’s somewhat of the Rebel Rejects. Hermon is in it. So is Kevin. Last night’s talk.
Option three: it’s today’s alliance scheme of the Retreat plus Marty and Kevin. Hermon is in it. So is Kevin.
Look at option two and three and tell me what could possibly go wrong? Kevin has already warned Haleena that she HAS to keep Hermon OUT of the rejects.
Option four: Moose stays. Well that’s happening. But the seven riding things out? DOUBTFUL.
Somehow, at the moment, I’m thinking Tynesha’s target is getting bigger because Marty told Kyle Ty and Summer will turn on him. Gino believes Tynesha is coming for him.
Hermon assessment: would Hermon choose cultural approval over making out with Steph? At the moment, he’d choose making out… but doesn’t actually WANT to be a vote to evict Betty (note the 7 votes talk with Steph). Jess told Kyle that if Steph is after Tynesha, then Tynesha can’t be an option for replacement because then Steph has no target and will shoot at Jess.
It feels like i’m not getting something. I feel like I’ve missed a big part or a big conversation somewhere. Anyone else feeling that????
I know Jess and Josh had a post lights out talk in the bathroom. He isn’t down with the men’s league. He felt like he had to play a role. Kyle has told people his talks with Josh are keep your enemies close talks.
Today, Jess is trying to reach out to people, but might also be trying to calm the waters for Kyle (?). Summer says she feels like she (S) could go on the block instead of Betty. Jess says she’s been talking to Kyle today because she’s afraid she (J) will go on the block, but at the same time extending an apology to Marty that Kyle hasn’t been making him feel like he has value. Summer is really letting TOO MUCH out in her talks today. Marty can bury her with Kyle pre renom if he desires. He could do the same to Tynesha. And it’s Marty… who can’t keep his mouth shut. Marty is still worried that Josh is gathering an army to come for Marty (the come for Marty part he isn’t voicing, but that’s why).
There may be a crack in Haleena and Kevin… she isn’t trusting anybody anymore she said after leaving Kevin. Kevin was different this time in his talk with Haleena, but not to the extent she seemed to have put on it. Kevin cycled through feeling her out on the place of Jess and Betty and Marty. Both agreed a Kyle Steph Jace and Gino run the show season isn’t what they are looking for.
Jess talks with Summer: raises Marty is too quick to say Summer is in a black girls group, (Mandems is a thing btw so her protests are… sus). Jess talks with Haleena: they have to pick sides. Steph bullies Jess, says Jess, but Kyle wants to keep her. Haleena says until POV ceremony is over she can’t trust Kyle, and everyone needs to be careful what they say right now. Jess might have inferred she or summer (? yelling going on) may not be keeping Steph as Kyle wishes.
Kevin wants Betty out this week he says to himself (see where my confusion comes from).
Dinner time. will check in again later.
Done dinner so throwing this out there while I’m half paying attention.
Part three of Sunday.
Jess is solidifying her pair with Josh. Tells him to bro up more because his name is getting dropped. both hope they can get rid of Steph but that enough of Kyle’s connections may still exist in the house to keep Steph.
SIDENOTE:
Moose apparently told people he Knows Kyle, has shared friends irl with Jace, and knows or lives close to Steph. There was one more name he dropped, I don’t remember what name or the relationship.
Lazy Kassting really did just grab his contact list for half the cast didn’t they?
QUESTIONABLES:
REMINDER 1:
This is Sunday. All plans made on Sunday are irrelevant until storyline dept returns on Monday. REMEMBER SEASON 7 AND REMEMBER LAST SUNDAY.
REMINDER 2:
THERE ARE 11 VOTES THIS WEEK.
As Kyle does BBmath thinking he gets to break the tie if he back doors Josh as Marty is imploring. 11. There is no tie in that number. I’ll keep pointing it out every time he says it.
Jess isn’t saving Steph over Josh. Hermon just warned Josh the bros are looking at him next week. Summer and Tynesha never vote out Josh over Steph. Betty? nope.
Haleena? nope. So it comes down to Hermon and / or Kevin.
Note to Marty: Jay wasn’t that big a swing, quit acting like you took out someone actually playing Big Brother. Dude had ZERO alliances.
Kyle runs the plan to Hermon. Look at Hermon’s face. More mess.
Kyle and Marty were sure Jess would vote how Kyle wants if it’s Josh vs. Steph on the block. Sideye. Other side sideye. I don’t think even a little. That there is a baaad read.
Kevin has warned Summer that Hermon is in every group. Hermon has warned Summer Kevin is in every group. That’s how that’s going. Comedians final two is a joke. lol.
Get your helmets back on.
Kyle’s spinning the wheel in his head again.
Kyle had almost insured the house split on his own. Marty may have just cemented it.
All so Kyle can be a BB legend is what Kyle is thinking.
Kyle informs Jace of his new target
Jace is psyched about the bd Josh plan. Kevin takes in all the info and says he loves the 6 (that he just ratted out to Jess and somewhat to Summer), he’s tired of the other side thinking they can control him. Jace says Haleena is a better vote to get from the losers than Jess. I think Jace suggested she can get Betty’s vote… but i don’t think she possibly could believe that. Kyle will talk to Haleena to get her to vote out Josh, shouldn’t be a big deal he thinks. Sideye.
IT’S NOT A BACKDOOR BTW… IT’S A BLINDSIDE. Backdoor is when the plan from inception is getting rid of a threat that wasn’t allowed to secure their safety in the Veto comp. There is no backdoor involved. Kyle has named 8 targets since Thursday…. That’s not a backdoor plan. That’s gamersquirrel chaos.
Thus far Hermon has not told anyone that Josh is a block consideration NOW. He thought it was next week and warned Summer and Josh.
Kyle Haleena be my swing vote convo
Haleena isn’t giving Kyle a blind loyalty yes she’ll vote how he wants until he tells her who he is thinking of putting on the block. She told him she’s cool with the red bedroom, but has no idea what they think of her. She tells him he’s had a really Chaotic HOH already, and ANOTHER target after Betty, then Steph, then Moose… she won’t guarantee her vote until she knows for sure what he is doing.
He finally says his front runners are Josh Tynesha or Summer. Haleena says she won’t 100% lock in a vote right now (he’s changed his mind 388 times since Thursday…. so…) She says after the veto ceremony, she will tell Kyle what she will do with her vote, but isn’t going to tell him what to do or who to nominate. Kyle wants confirmation now because he can’t have all of his targets stay. Kyle says he has 5 votes, and just needs a 6th vote so he can break the tie. (11 votes this week). Kyle needs to know if he has her vote, but won’t name the target. He says he can reel Steph back in and Betty is a non factor in the game. He says he is the prime target of Josh, Summer, Tynesha and Moose, so he needs her answer tomorrow morning. I THINK he slipped and said he’ll either put up Josh or Betty depending on Haleena’s answer.
She’s piiissed after he leaves the area. She doesn’t want Summer or Josh to leave (at the same time, doesn’t say what she’d do) Rewind and check. at that same moment Hermon is alone on cam, very very pissed at Kyle.
Hermon is pissed outside monologue feels like he’s fumbling his lines.
Hermon says Kyle has already screwed two of his alliances, and a flirtmance, and the irl community relationship that is Betty. Now he jumps to Josh? Insanity. 23 year old punk trying to screw with Hermon’s game.
Kyle and Kevin convo
Kyle vents to Kevin that Haleena won’t promise him her vote without knowing the target. Sideye. Kevin covers Haleena by saying, yeah but she’s so dumb… Kyle agrees and says she keeps things to herself. He says Betty is good, but Josh is better because then they steamroll the game. They ponder a sixth vote to evict Josh. Kevin again mentions the red room trying to control him. He asks if he should talk to Haleena. Kyle says yes (he told her to be a swing vote to help his five vote six person alliance). When Kev asks about Jess, Kyle says he’ll talk to Jess because it’s no bueno if the bd has to be stopped and he can’t get to the tie vote to send out Josh (there is no tie in 11 voters). Kyle doesn’t want the bd plan to become house knowledge when he’s now talked to 1/2 the house about the bd plan. oops.
Kyle plans to grab Marty, pull Jess aside and say we kept you off the block, pay up and keep Steph vote out Josh.
Kyle tells Kevin Hermon is friends with Josh, but he’s with the new allance MORE.
Kyle wants the battle lines drawn… and he doesn’t get to play in the next HOH. Never be the HOH that draws the battle lines… be the person that gets some other fool to draw the battle lines.
Betty is out of the Loop… uh-gain.
Meanwhile Betty tells Summer and Josh that Hermon won’t guarantee his vote for her to stay because of her comp performances. They are shocked. This leads to Summer Josh planning to target Kyle. Summer says maybe they pull Jess into the rejects instead of Hermon, but worries that Hermon already pretty much knows about the group.
Marty Gino and Hermon
Hermon is sick of this chaos. Marty is pushing his Josh agenda. Gino says it will be epic.
Kyle is in d/r. A wave of calm resounds around the house.
Kyle’s plan to get Haleena’s vote: (he said this to Hermon) bring Haleena in, lay out that the four men have a final four, and they want Haleena to be their fifth. No really. He wants to tell her we are a final four but we’ll keep you until fifth. It’s what Marty told her last week… only solidified and quantified.
He has the same deal with Jace and with Kevin. Hermon even points this out. Kyle is unstoppable in this idea. head desk.
Kevin is telling Haleena that Josh may have to be collateral damage. She sounds like she’s in agreement, but brought up that Kyle talks to her like a child, Hermon is everywhere, and Steph is in with those guys. So again: Kevin has said gotta keep and gotta let go. It’s like he’s a choose your own adventure for the editors in storyline.
She had just told Josh she has him in this game. She had just told Marty that Hermon is playing all sides. Kyle just told Hermon that Haleena warned Marty that Josh might be mad (when he targeted Jay), but explained it as Haleena warned Marty about Josh.
Hermon already told Kyle that if Haleena and / or Jess aren’t guarantees, he has to abort the plan.
The drama on the Red Bedroom Rejects side is Hermon’s game style. He doesn’t do check ins to share info he learns nearly enough. He doesn’t share info except in immediate terms. This causes massive distrust. This is why Haleena and Kevin have Hermon issues *they don’t know Hermon hasn’t officially been told the rejects is a thing. This is why Summer and Tynesha and Josh are questioning Hermon’s true allegiance. It’s all on Hermon’s lack of interest in actually maintaining relationships. His big dream alliance NEVER all got together in ONE ROOM. His allies now are questioning his motivation. That’s his game error. 100%.
The drama in the middle is none of them have a relationship with Hermon in the game. Therefore none trust him, and he doesn’t trust them.
The drama on the other side is KYLE wants to be a LEGEND… and is playing his HOH like russian roulette. He thinks others in the house don’t have relationships if he doesn’t see the relationship with a neon sign. He wants big moves for jury talk at the finals.
Kyle has informed Gino that he’s going to give Haleena the final 5 spiel. He says he’ll tell Josh an hour before the ceremony. Gino wants them to target Tynesha and Moose next. He wants a double eviction so that they can rule the house.
Moose Hermon chat. Moose seems less done with Kyle than he’s been saying to Tynesha all day. Just saying.
I still maintain that it’s Sunday. BBcan has been notorious for Sundays not actually being canon. Remember the inroads Jess made last Sunday, and the moves made by Haleena? Those are not part of episode version. Much of this might just be quashed tomorrow. Josh may still be a nom… but none of the alliance movements made since veto may be canonized.
how many times has kyle mentioned theres a tiebreaker vote?
how many times has someone hes mentioned it to reminded him theres no tiebreaker this week with 11 votes?
Nobody told Kyle. He said it to EVERYONE he talked to yesterday about the plan.
Today he seems to realize. D/R must have sat him down and asked how to get a tie out of 11 votes.
About to crash.
Consideration:
There are four players to watch if Kyle goes through with the get Josh plan.
Haleena: playing safe route, doesn’t want to draw attention to herself. will choose majority. Kevin has pushed that the men are the majority because they are stronger.
Kevin: more on Kyle’s team at the moment, convincing Haleena that the numbers are on Kyle’s side. Wants to pick fights with Summer (so his switch makes sense). Made comments about Jess to Haleena like he’s trying to wedge them??? maybe?
Hermon: post ceremony what does he do? Stick with the alpha males, or stay with the red room? Self motivated Hermon will go with alphas if he doesn’t have numbers and can’t get Moose to declare.
Moose: he REALLY wants to get back in the good books, and believes Hermon is why he was targeted.
If they voted tomorrow: Steph might actually stay given the gamestyle dynamics of these four.
There is a strong sentiment in the house that “the house” is the alpha males.
Anyone notice tonight that Marty after talking to Haleena went to the boys and said he offered her final 5, and she’s on board and good with getting Josh? I don’t think that’s what she said, I think that’s just what Marty wanted to hear because he’s so anti Josh. Marty told Haleena that Jess is with them… as in the group targeting Josh??? There goes that honest first half of game… out the fenetre. Haleena warned Marty about Hermon being on all sides. I doubt he believed her.
So much of this would be already clear if Hermon, Summer, Tynesha and Josh actually talked after the quick bathroom exchange where Hermon told Josh he will be a target next week if they don’t win HOH. He didn’t check back. Now he is going to be sus about Kevin and Haleena, and tell THAT to Summer and Tynesha and Josh. Meanwhile, Kevin has been telling Jess that Hermon and Moose are in the six that run the house (not him, he put Moose in his spot), leading me to suspect even more that Kevin is gaslighting Jess and Haleena and pushing distrust between Summer and Hermon. This mess is going to be brought to you by the no check in no communication game style that is Hermon.
MONDAY VETO CEREMONY DAY PART ONE
Before ceremony:
Hermon tells Tynesha that Kyle is after Josh and they have to save him. He says Kevin is with the boys and they are trying to get Haleena or Jess to be the vote to get rid of Josh.
Kyle calls in Haleena. Gets Kevin out of the room. Tells Haleena that Kev/Gino/Hermon/Marty/Kyle are a final 5 and they want Haleena to be their sixth. When it gets to final 3 he is fine with taking shots at Marty and Gino. He needs her, as the house swing vote, to agree to be the fifth in the top 6 group, and to agree to not be seen with them, have no involvement in any decisions the group makes, and she can just do her makeup and sit in a corner (i exaggerate a little but not by much at allllll). In all of this, Haleena doesn’t actually promise her vote. She says “all right, i get it and the shot has to be taken it’s a game” after his pitch and he extends his hand, they shake. I don’t actually see excitement from her, nor do I hear her actually promise the vote. She agrees to the final 5/3 (that he told Gino they will back out on any time they want) that Kyle said wasn’t because she’s the swing vote this week. I know i’m logic arguing here. This is the conversation that pretty much is determining if Kyle makes the move. Her lack of enthusiasm at being promised top 6, top 5 and top 3 is palpable.
Meanwhile, Tynesha and Kevin are chatting. Tynesha says she hates that some people have been using her child as a weapon to get her to trust them (she means Marty, but Kevin has actually been doing that too). Tynesha says she hopes she can trust Kevin because she feels they work well together. Kevin is pulling fake tears.
Haleena alone says Kyle sat there and named every poc as his threats, had beef with the non binary guy, and targets the gay guy. She says not a good look Kyle.
Kyle calls in Jess to inform them Josh is the renom.
Jess is flabbergasted. Does not promise vote. Says she understands. She said very little for Jess this was a noticeable silence.
Kyle calls in Josh. Tells Josh the house has been pressuring him to get Josh. He tells Josh he has to put him up. When asked who is pushing this to Kyle, Kyle says it’s his own decision and he made it himself. Josh is attempting logic response on Kyle, who admits he doesn’t think logically.
Kyle calls in Steph and says Josh is joining her on the block.
Kyle calls in Betty and tells her she isn’t going on the block. Tells her Josh is and he doesn’t expect her vote.
HOH lockdown.
as the Houseguests arrive Kyle says, well Everyone is hear, Josh do you want to just tell them now? Josh says we’ll wait.
Kyle is seeking sympathy from his alliance that Josh didn’t get mad and scream at him, so that means Josh is even more dangerous. This is actually a no win situation for Josh, and I’m talking game not world. In BB tropes, If he got angry, he’d be the scary aggressive guy. If he doesn’t get angry he’s dangerous because he’s so calm.
Steph is asking Hermon to help her come up with her campaign.
Kyle thinks Betty offered to vote Josh out… I think she was bargaining before he told her the renom, and he said he doesn’t expect her vote because it’s Josh. But you go with that Kyle.
OVERVIEW:
It’s been wild with Kyle having power and being an absolute spin head.
I wanted to see what game Josh has… guess we’ll see.
Kevin is more with the boys i believe. I actually am beginning to see him subtly gaslighting both Haleena and Jess.
Hermon? He’s telling Tynesha all of the plans. He’s telling Summer so much less because he thinks she’s emotional. Here’s the thing… Hermon is saying Haleena is swing vote and they have to get her to keep Josh. Hermon could have just said i’m not down with plan 12 or plan 432 at any time because Kyle’s being too erratic.
Marty should be thrilled. He’s been pushing this ever since he said they have to get rid of Josh next while Josh was in the room (Josh didn’t even hear him), but Marty has built this great big Josh is after me and Kyle myth out of it.
Josh was warned in some sense by Hermon, Summer, Jess and Haleena that this was coming. He thought he was fine because of his conversation with Kyle after Sausage fest.
He now thinks the house is dealing with somebody that should be under a 5150. You could see it on his face. Josh’s face the whole time was dude, you’re unwell.
Anyone actually seeing how they will edit this mess? I have theories. I don’t like any of the theories.
The problem on the Rejects side: their organizational dynamic is loose cooperative no team. Everything is based on reaction not action, and everything is based on emotion. The women of the core here are so untrusting of each other due to the socialization process where men are shown team value, and women are essentially shown that other women are a threat.
The problem with the Retreat side: Everything is based on entitlement and legend and strength being the only important factor. This is why it’s core 4 will never treat the others as equals and pretty openly discuss the women not being equal… to the women. It’s there there dear, go make me some eggs.
I don’t see either side actually being able to last more than two weeks.
What it does to the underground secret alliance wanting to play middle: Kevin insured they would have to take sides. Why? So Kevin can slink under cover and Haleena and Jess are targeted before him. Except by Betty…. who has decided Kevin is her Kevinrobertmartin, and she’s his Karen. She’s playing a totally different game… and it isn’t big brother.
Monday part 2
POST RENOM SCURRYING
Josh is the renom.
Tynesha cried about the renom, likely said something. Kyle pointed it out to Hermon like it validates Kyle’s decision.
Haleena had given Betty a heads up she wasn’t going on the block before Betty’s chat with Kyle. Told her they have to be careful.
Just after that Tynesha told Haleena that even if she promised her vote, they might still have the numbers to save Josh, (might have said she should vote with them because they likley have the numbers, it was quick, I’m not sure at allllll).
Betty is mad. She’s blaming Jess and Kevin? Betty. Always biting on the con. She makes it too easy for Kevin.
Kevin takes the opportunity to pick a fight with Betty so that his switch in votes makes sense this week. No really, that’s his point. But he had to because Betty has called out that he’s playing both sides and riding the middle in front of the house.
He’s pulling evil Kevin in order to get arguments started, so that he can victimize to the boys. Yup, he’s running to Kyle and Jace to say how mean Betty is to him. Textbook. He tells the cams he’s trying to Help Betty (make it look like she’s after Kevin not Kyle)… but Kevin talks out both sides of his face to the cams (gotta keep Betty, hour later Betty gotta go same with Josh. prime examples). It’s like he’s giving editing both versions so they can choose his path for him in storyline dept. I said what I said. He tells the cams it’s not 2 sides. It’s one side and a complete dumpster fire.
Summer and Jess are agreeing to work together. Tynesha and Jess have already agreed.
Summer and Jess are trying to count out votes required to save Josh.
Jess tells Summer they are trying to make Kyle think he has them, but Steph is always ‘bullying’ them. (Stop using bullying unless it’s warranted house guests).
Summer tells Jess they have to keep Kevin in the dark or Kevin will snitch to Kyle.
Summer wants to trust Hermon but isn’t sure what he’s about now.
Jess says Steph is playing Hermon because she couldn’t land Gino and she wants to play the showmance game. Jess doesn’t want the house to know they and Summer and Tynesha are together (it makes their target bigger and she can’t play Kyle). Summer doesn’t care at this point, because the line has already been drawn.
Hermon, wanting to play the middle, told Tynesha that if they get more than six votes, he will vote with Kyle and blame Jess. If they need him, he’ll vote Josh. Summer is exteme non plus about this. She’s not having this play both sides shit from Hermon.
So they have to convince Kevin , Haleena or Hermon to keep Josh is the takeaway.
Hermon and Jess are having their first one on one ever. Sideye.
Hermon tells Jess the numbers are close, but he thinks he will have to vote out Josh. He isn’t picking a side, he’s making a decision based on numbers. *He’s trying to have his cake and eat it the same way Kevin is. He’s also moving forward with set up Jess for another hinky vote if he can. Asking them if their mind can be swayed in their vote because there are 11 votes this week. Jess wants to know who last week’s rogue vote was (she says to the rogue voter). After Hermon leaves, Jess says lying their face off. I don’t know if they mean Hermon or Themselves.
Gino and Summer touched base. Summer says her vote is clear, tried to mention her fallback honeybunch (gee, wasn’t Josh originally IN that?) like she does as her hail mary.
Summer Josh. Summer tells him they have likely five votes. He needs to concentrate on Jace by bringing up the Honeybunch from night one, and gettting duo with Steph stink off of her. They talk about getting Moose, Kevin or Hermon to make the vote in Josh’s favor. They believe Haleena will vote to save Josh.
Steph? invisible pretty much.
MONDAY part 3 ( i think)
Betty and Kevin are Kevin and Karening again. eyeroll. All the delusion with half the humor. Josh and Hermon are convinced Betty is jeopardizing Josh’s ability to get a vote. Betty just has to have her confrontation anyway. Betty. She should not be allowed within twenty feet of anyone actually playing big brother. She’s at the point of being ridiculous.
Jess has promised her vote to Josh, but tells him tell nobody. She has to pretend she’s cowing herself to Kyle and Marty.
Hermon says his vote is dependent on how Jess votes. If this isn’t red flagging to everyone… it should be.
Haleena tells Josh she hates the optics, didn’t know he was renom, and she’s keeping him.
Marty humble brag confesses that he is the reason Josh was renom. Josh says he wanted to go to the end with the fool. The fool continues to spill everything (but hides that Hermon is with them). Marty says his side has 6 votes. Josh says he has 5 or 6 votes already.
This SHOULD make Marty paranoia spin. That should make Kyle paranoia spin. Marty is already starting to spin after telling Josh i’m voting you out, but if you stay, don’t target me. Marty told Josh if he wins HOH he will put up Moose and someone else, if Moose wins veto, he will back door Jess.
Get those helmets out again and keep your hands and feet inside your roller coaster car, we’re in for another round.
Marty is doing everything he can to interrupt every conversation Josh has.
Remember Schlumpy Eeyore in season 7? Yeah, like that. Marty is truly shell shocked that the last minute plan he pushed to Kyle might not have been a done deal. He never considered even once that it might not be cut and dried.
Steph thinks she has 8 votes right now and that she can swing Tynesha. I believe she counted Kyle as one of her votes but i’m not sure. She thinks she doesn’t even really need to speak to Kevin or Haleena or Jess, they’ll vote for her automatically, but she’ll still go speak to them.
Hermon has to count out everyone that is voting for her, saying there are 11 votes. She was sure 12.
It’s going to be a LONG couple of days.
It FEELS like Hermon is VERY much attempting to make HIMSELF the swing vote so that he can determine and control the vote.
He has just promised his vote to save Josh, but only if the vote is 6-5. He doesn’t want a 7-4 vote, because then he can’t blame his vote on anybody (currently Jess or now Kevin).
Question: How is anyone trusting Hermon? They all KNOW he is riding centre.
Question 2: How is anyone believing that this will stick?
Hermon is Kevin without the twisting of the moustache idiocy. They are both trying to make EVERYONE think they are good.
Has Marty run to the boys saying Josh’s campaign is getting him votes? Is Hermon trying to lull them into complacency? These are questions nobody is asking.
I started the week wondering about 4 players: Tynesha, Haleena and Josh were three of them.
Tynesha apparently must give off very untrustworthy vibes, because members of he house have questioned her sincerity and loyalty all week. As far as game, she still isn’t showing me much.
Haleena showed promise as a rat floater. That to me has died. A good floater has purpose, agency, and guile. A good floater pivots instantly. Haleena is motivated by fear and indecision. that just downgrades her to a coaster that gossips. She may actually be willing to be the Britney of this season’s brigade that already has more Britneys. That screams gone within 2 weeks. Trusting Marty doesn’t help.
Josh is playing sad, like he doesn’t have votes for the purpose of the blindside. Problem: His own people don’t know he’s acting. So they think the votes don’t exist. Jess suggested it, he did it, and now he may go home because of it.
So Haleena has been downgraded for fear of spotlight.
Josh is not the gamer i’d hoped, and Tynesha… needs to work on whatever vibe she’s giving off.
Rejects: no organization, no communication.
I still blame Hermon for that. First HOH sets a tone. Since everything this season is have to be sneaky and who can I pin this on added to groups never meeting so nobody actually declares a side? That is 100 % the game of the first HOH that set that tone.
Thanks for the updates again.
I don’t want Josh to go so I really hope his side of the voters prevail (6-5).
I’m going through what I missed today and it looks like at one point the vote was actually looking 9-2 maybe, only nobody knew it.
At other points the vote has been looking 6-5 or 5-6.
MONDAY EPISODE (Last 8pm Mon ep., moves to 7pm next week)
preamble: on feeds Haleena, Summer and Tynesha bonded over revealing game secrets to each other. Kevin talked to Summer. He’s trying to break the trust all of the rejects have in each other by saying there is a men’s alliance of Moose, Kyle, Gino, Marty (but marty is being conned) and Hermon. The men are all manipulating people. Says something about blaming the flip on Jess (See, he and Hermon are 2 of a kind). The biggest thing about this vote is everyone is trying to hide their vote. This is a problem for them, they should be trying to say the vote has already flipped and work on the outliers of the men’s group. Just my two cents regarding the action of the game. I’m still trying to not pick a side (but i’ve always rooted for actual underdogs to my own detriment… it depends on your definition of underdog).
HOW THE HECK ARE THEY SPINNING THIS MESS?
Jay was evicted. 10-2. Jess pissed by the rogue votes. Kyle admits rogue vote to pin it on Jess. Hermon had the same idea. NOBODY calls Hermon Stir the Pot Papi. At. All.
The house bought it in a way.
Moose is going to kick his feet up. Kyle is starting to get manic already.
Introduction of the Retreat. Not the Men’s group? Oh.
Jess is trying to save herself again. Betty is sure Kyle goes after women.
Josh Betty and Jess are all grossed by the idea of a Kyle HOH and the HOHITIS that is to come.
HOH reveal. i always say mute. never cared.
PRENOM ARGUMENTS
Jess centric tonight? she goes to Kyle to show she’s beneficial.
“How do I convince you to work with me?”
d/r Kyle might be team Jess. REALITY: Actuality he held her on a string.
Betty points out Jace is safe cus she makes out with Gino. Man’s man alliance talk.
Jace is wondering if she’s being used (she is).
Betty goes to HOH. Betty says she’s the easy nom. He’s blank facing her.
Kyle d/r she makes good points. He was going to nom her in more than half his scenarios.
Moose comes to HOH. He’ll listen. names Steph. Gino Jess and Summer also have mentioned her over the past 9 days (that’s where the clips were from and one wasn’t about targeting, it was about behavior).
Kyle says Steph will be nominated to Jace. There is no guys alliance Kyle says.
The retreat is over. d/r Jace thinks she’s optionless. REALITY she played up how much she doesn’t like Steph. Jace was number 13 or 14 out of 15 one on ones. The whole HOUSE knows except Betty (thinks it’s Betty/Jess), Kevin (who thought Betty/Jess until Wendy’s), and Steph. THE WHOLE HOUSE THINKS STEPH IS THE TARGET AT THIS TIME.
TARGET ONE OF KYLE’S HOH Steph is informed
the argument. Steph names Moose. Kyle says yes. Steph goes to get Moose. Kyle is dying.
Steph is going at Moose. Moose is deflecting and defusing. Kyle is realizing Moose is a liar.
Reality: Kyle and Gino’s second conversation on feeds was about not really trusting the women in the Retreat, and being prepared to cut them immediately.
Reality: Moose has been on Kyle’s radar since last Monday because he is Messy Moose trying to manipulate everyone. This didn’t just occur to Kyle.
Kevin Wendy’s date. Everyone tells Kevin too much is the reason.
Jon Pardy: big picture, build relationships, don’t let power go to your head. 0 for 3 this week. ZERO Kyle. ZERO.
Kevin says he was in a fake alliance. The Retreat. Hopes he can use the info to bury him later.
TARGET TWO OF KYLE’S HOH
Moose is playing the middle and throwing out Seven as targets.
Hermon doesn’t want to rock the boat.
Hermon (playing the middle) is being told by Kyle (trying to play the middle until today) that Moose is playing middle and loyal to nobody.
Kyle tells Josh, Summer and Tynesha. Summer isn’t impressed with Kyle’s HOH so far.
Sports Media program. They know each other. Tynesha is saying she’s not impressed.
Summer is saying she isn’t down. Summer planted the Steph seed that Gino was already talking about and Jess had already been saying Steph was ‘bullying’ her. But it was Steph that swiitched Kyle from Betty/Jess initially…. Summer started the entire russian roulette chaos. Facts.
Hermon wonders why Kyle is screwing up all of the Alliances they are in.
Hermon worries he was a target. He was a consideration.
SAFETY INSURANCE REVEAL
Summer reveals there is a twist. Safety for the week. Marty… never a target… is saved!
Sweet thunderin’ choir of tone deaf angels… why?????
REMINDER Kyle’s named targets so far: Jess, Betty, Steph, Moose, Hermon and one of Summer or Tynesha. Josh was mentioned too. Show only mentions Steph and Moose.
NOMINATIONS:
Kyle is here to be a legend. Ohhh, he’s a legend alright….. for most chaotic 5150 worthy HOH in Canada.
STEPH and MOOSE are named. Betty is shocked beyond belief. SHE WAS TOLD SHE WAS A NOM.
Betty d/r: what happened….
Steph d/r: I’ll forgive not forget.
Moose d/r: big mistake. I’m coming for Kyle.
CHART: where things are as of about house bedtime last night.
I’ve included my thoughts on how production might be viewing the current dynamic according to the show edit up to the end of Thursday’s episode.
Might not be around for Tuesday much. Sorry, life stuff. If i can I’ll throw something in.
I hope nobody is getting annoyed with too much updating from me. If you are, please let me know and i’ll slow down.
Why would anyone be annoyed?
You literally ARE the site for this season.
If they are annoyed they can honestly f**k off. Ungrateful haters.
Keep the updates coming dude! I love your insights on the players. Thanks!
If anybody is annoyed by your updates they can get lost. Your comments are always welcomed on OBB.
End Monday.
Summer Tynesha Betty and Jess are votes to keep Josh.
Gino Marty Jace are votes to keep Steph.
Haleena is waffling back and forth. Her trust level is non existent with Tynesha and Hermon.
Hermon wants to hinky vote and blame someone and ride the middle.
Kevin wants to shake things up for fun and chaos, blame Jess.
Moose says he will vote with Summer and Tynesha.
The so called Reject side all sleep in one bedroom, and don’t communicate game.
THIS is the problem.
Haleena can’t handle the spotlight of being the swing vote. She wants to play the classic floater game and is failing because she’s outwardly been called the swing vote. By show edit, she has no relationships except with Jace, Steph and Mandems.
Hermon STILL doesn’t want to declare a side. He wants his vote to be secret and blame someone else. He’s TRYING to make himself the swing vote. By show edit, he should be voting to save Josh.
Kevin by show edit is who knows… wants to be evil either way.
Moose by show edit? again unknown, but stick it to Kyle in the end of last episode.
By now I’m thinking the vote will be blamed on Haleena and/or Kevin no matter what happens. She has almost zero presence in episodes, he’s playing evil kevin. She’s openly waffling, and has given her word to both Kyle and Josh. Her latest waffle though, totally d/r induced i think.
Okay.
I think i’m caught up:
Tuesday:
appears Summer and Hermon (the one that has been the big problem) finally talked to Haleena about the vote and how they want Kyle gone.
Kevin has attempted to plant doubt with Marty about the men. Marty is scurrying back and forth trying to ensure his own safety.
Kyle thinks he has all of the middle people (Hal / Kevin / Jess) dancing to whatever tune he calls.
Kyle wants the 4 man team to be called the village voice 4. Because what they say goes? He informs Hermon that Moose, Summer and Tynesha are the voice targets.
Marty checked in with Kevin saying he thinks Kevin is right. Marty checks in with Kyle.
Kevin checks in with Kyle.
Josh went to Moose for his vote today. Moose agreed.
Marty went to Josh to work together. Josh was agreeable (but really?)
Steph thinks she has Jess’ vote and Kevin’s vote. But she also thinks she might have got Tynesha… so.
That’s what catch up tells me. At this point everyone is suspicious of everyone except Kyle that thinks he rules the roost and is the voice of the house.
Why is everyone having trust issues with Hermon?
Hermon’s playing style and desire to hide his vote by blaming someone else is a big reason.
Haleena knows of the final four men’s group. Knows she was a target week one (before she had her one on one with him).
Kevin knows Hermon is in every side. Because Kevin is sitting next to him there.
Jess knows Hermon is consistently trying to paint Jess as a target.
Summer and Tynesha know Hermon is with everyone. His vote blaming to keep himself in the centre is an issue to Summer.
This is why Hermon is having trust issue problems. It’s not any one person leading a distrust charge in malice, it’s reaction to Hermon’s own game.
This is going to KEEP being his issue as long as Hermon tries to play hide my ass while leading the revolt. Seriously, he pushes himself as a leader that wants to cover his vote by blaming one of this followers. THAT is why he’s getting trust issues.
Hermon has told Gino the votes might flip… and Gino didn’t give a damn it seems.
Kyle’s game is pretty much zero right now, because of his HOH reign. How can you trust an alliance buster that busts his OWN alliances?
Gino and Jace are too busy playing dating game to pivot or even know to pivot.
*Well, the creepy side of twitter that is the Summer stan network is now trying to cancel Gino’s sister for standing up for her brother after a comment Summer made about Gino being a cradle robber (?). Eyeroll. Cancelling family now? See why I’m having an issue with the creepy side? What they don’t realize i think? His sister was on a reality dating tv program in Quebec and has a pretty large following, being one of the more beloved contestants. They aren’t going to get the cancel they desire. Quebecois are going to stay with supporting a Quebecoise.
At the moment the vote is 8-3. It’s Tuesday and distrust is still high.
Kyle has to go.
End of night:
Jess tries to reconnect with Marty. Marty is hoping Jess can help her with being the target of Summer and T (he isn’t really their target) and Josh (who i don’t think NAMES targets except Kyle).
Hermon proposes a final five alliance with the original poc savage seven members, using Haleena and Betty as numbers to be back up to 7 and control the house. He tells them the boys had offered Haleena a final 5 deal to try to get her vote. He says if the plan gets out, he’s staying with the boys. Hermon further proposes a final 3 to Moose and Josh within the 5, within the 7. Says if it gets out he’s staying with the boys.
Hermon plans to call out Kevin as his vote.
Marty goes to Josh and says he knows Josh is staying, that he convinced Kevin, Jess and Haleena to keep Josh. He says Haleena would have gone with the boys if Marty hadn’t stepped in and told her to go with Josh because Kyle was lying to them.
Josh seems to worry to Jess that he is getting too many votes (what?) and that some of the people trying to hide their vote could get caught because of it. In other words: he’s afraid Hermon won’t have anyone to blame if the vote is 8-3 or 9-2.
ME: so wait, everyone in the new 3/5/7 is good with Hermon saying if his plan gets out… he’s leaving and staying with the boys???? The LEADER of the group says that?
If I’m Josh, I want as many damn votes as I can get. Sorry. Not Sorry. The cover story that should be used: a vote flip became apparent last minute, and sorry, but had to keep my ass with the house, didn’t have time to warn anyone. THAT is the cover story that should be used, blame whoever you want.
Wednesday a.m.
I’m a wee bit behind, and the coffee isn’t actually brewed yet. Sorry if this comes off as a bit cranky.
Marty talked to Josh. He spilled tons and tons of the world according to Marty (which is a perceptual quagmire only paralleled by some of Jess’ opine codswallop that absolutely everything that happens in the house is a scheme against her). Marty revealed village voice 4 (the Hermon, Kyle, Gino, Marty final four unofficially named yesterday). Marty is hoping Josh will calm Betty down if she confronts Marty. (his fear of Betty is making me laugh because to me Betty is playing a completely different game than Big Brother 99% of the time). IF JOSH THINKS HE DOESN”T HAVE THE VOTES, MARTY WILL SWITCH HIS VOTE.
Kyle came in and put on his empathy voice to justify and validate his choice to go after Josh. It was supposed to sound like an apology or a good game type salute. To me it didn’t. He reminds Josh that he has to pack, and if he wants to leave a shirt, Kyle will wear it to show his respect for Josh.
Betty and Jess talked about liking Jace, but not liking Jace when she’s with Gino. Neither is too jazzed about Gino.
It may sound like I’m not a Hermon fan. The person? Not a problem. The game i see? Problematic to me, and I’m not giving him a slide for what i consider tactical negligence.
Him lying on the bed last night saying ‘who goes home, which one goes home’ reaffirms my thought that he has pushed the 6-5 narrative because he wants to be the swing so that he has complete control. A player like that? What happens when they don’t have 100% control?
Kevin is now asking Steph what her approach is to campaigning: she isn’t the target and everyone should do what the HOH wants is her answer. Sideye. back. Sideye other direction.
There was a missed conversation between Marty and Hermon. cams didn’t catch it, just saw Hermon leaving Marty in the hot tub area, and Kyle joining to discuss 420 and edibles.
Let’s hope Hermon wasn’t spooked by Marty… you know Martying. I only say this because I actually prefer Josh to Steph, and don’t want Hermon to go hissy and dismantle if he thinks he doesn’t have absolute control. Marty says the only flip he worries about is Haleena, but she says she’s good, so… Kyle leaves abruptly and Marty asks ‘bigbruddah to put a cowbell aroun ‘is neck, Kyle is following him everywhere he goes.’
Kyle ran directly to Haleena. Thanks Marty. Another day of Haleena driving herself around the house on her own guilt trip crusade. I’m tired of the wash, rinse, repeat.
He tells her a 6-5 would be good but a 7-4 is even better.
Haleena tells Kyle that tomorrow someone could whip out a power, and who knows what happens.
Josh comes for a check in shortly after. Haleena says to Josh she plans to tell people idk what i’m doing. Josh says Kev and Marty are sitting in the middle ground, likely to jump to his side if Haleena tells them to.
Meahwhile: Jess is doing a check in on Marty (he isn’t sleeping well). Marty wants both sides to join together or some shit. Frankly Marty’s annoying me today. He’s woe is me mixed with spillage is just grating.
Marty Heleena check in. She fears it’s a double, so she’s spending the day studying.
NOTE: for doubles, the back yard would have closed Tuesday most likely. Week 4 used to be a double week… but Week three used to be instant eviction week. They haven’t done an instant in a while, and more recently doubles have been shifting to week 5.
Kevin is still on his tank Jess mission. Telling Haleena they have to say Jess led the flip when they are confronted next week. Kevin explained it to Summer yesterday: he can’t beat Jess if she ever got to finals. Reality: Jess knows where Kevin buries the bodies.
With Kevin and Hermon both insisting the vote be 6-5 so that they can cover their asses and blame someone else… There is still a real possibility that they could outsmart themselves.
Things we need to remember:
So Steph is confident she is staying.
She’s flirted with Hermon some more. She spoke to Haleena.
Hermon is mad he can’t get a commitment out of Haleena for how she is voting. Haleena doesn’t trust Hermon. At all. At this point I have NO idea where Haleena is voting. He’s told everyone the guys (that includes him) offered her a final 5 for her vote.
Jace is trying to read where the house is voting. She’s gone to Josh and Jess so far.
Marty has continued his grand tour. He’s now gone to Betty and Tynesha saying Josh’s nom is all his fault, but he didn’t mean it because he was just talking and he always says too much and he didn’t think Kyle was serious because Kyle has been using him the whole time.
A new alliance formed. Welllllll… the Savage seven without the two white guys reformed…. putting Betty and Haleena in their place. Haleena now understands why Hermon wants to know her vote. The new alliance is called the True Fuse.
Marty is thinking of voting for Josh to stay, or so he told Jess.
Jace wants to jump ship if Josh gets the votes, but i don’t think she caught on when both Josh and Jess told her to basically read the room (as in start jumping the Titanic is sinking).
Jess, who has been fighting for Josh, which all of the women know… isn’t included in the women’s alliance or the new alliance because…. well to be blunt because Hermon and Moose don’t like her. Hell, Moose still wants the guys to get rid of Jace so that Gino comes to them.
Kyle still thinks he is lord and master of the domain. He has some SERIOUS HOHITIS TODAY.
Prediction: If they can get Kyle out, then Hermon will take over as leader of the men, and ditch the women in the FUSE.
Hey AN,
Just popping in quick — I’m swamped with NBA stuff – so not much time to write. However, a few observations…
Hermon is a major control freak & I agree he wants the men although I think he’d want to keep one of T or Summer.
I like Jess b/c she’s strategic (you know me). Moose didn’t like her from the start but I think both he/and esp Hermon don’t like her b/c they are afraid of her. Kev also knows she’s the only one smarter than him.
I kind of like Josh as well although I haven’t figured out who he is TRULY tied to (like his main person). I get the feeling it’s Jess but he also spends ample time with Betty, Haleena as well as S&T. He’s very believable – comes across as very trustworthy which worked well for him this week.
Kev is a rat – but so far I’m okay with it mostly b/c he TOLD US he was going to play this style of game.
I find the double-speak very amusing. Hermon & Marty both SAY WAY TOO MUCH & make bold statements or threats such as “if this gets out, I’m pulling the plug” when it’s typically them telling everyone.
Kev seems pretty good at manipulation and selling lies but I doubt he’ll get away with it for much longer b/c all it will take is the right person winning HOH for the truths/lies to be exposed.
I’m crossing my fingers the vote remains a secret & primarily for selfish reasons — I WANT the fallout. Hermon wants to pin his vote either on Kev or Jess while Kev wants to pin his vote on Jess. While Marty is afraid not to vote to keep Josh b/c he doesn’t trust T. Am I missing something? Doesn’t Kev KNOW Jess is voting to keep Josh?
Based on the people who have outright told Josh they are locked as votes to keep him it’s 9-2 (only Jace/Gino for sure voting to keep Steph with Marty the one voter who is vacillating back and forth). Soooooooooooooooo if that’s how it goes down then neither Kev/Hermon will be able to pin their votes on others which is mostly why I hope Josh continues to play dumb about the votes so those people don’t try to cover their ass by voting the opposite to stay in the middle.
As for HOH – I’d like to see Jess or Josh win b/c it would lead to intel spillage where Jess would learn what Kev is saying about her & they also (IMO) would be the most logical in the position.
I DO NOT want Moose or Hermon to win b/c I don’t trust they would go after Kyle – they’d target Jess which would suck – although if they didn’t try to backdoor Kyle this newly formed group would think the new alliance is SUS & just cover for the guys to continue to work together.
Kev is playing so many people and sharing truths/lies with them as well. I thought he & Jess were close so I can’t figure out if that’s strictly game play or he’s really that threatened by her.
If I’m reading the convo’s right most of the house would try to backdoor Kyle for pulling the Canadian Frenchie HOH – but don’t they also see Hermon has to go too?
Since I’m not catching everything if you have time could you give your two cents on who you think each person would put up/backdoor if they won. I’m assuming Haleena/Kev will throw HOH & Betty/T/Summer possibly also throw it and/or be unlikely to win. Do you think Jess would recognize Hermon/Moose need to be her targets b/c Kyle isn’t after her & would be a bigger target in front of her?
Anyway, hope you are well.
Kevin and Jess grew their dynamic after Kevin got close to Haleena and Haleena vouched for Jess. I think what actually disturbs Kevin about Jess is she would not appreciate his game style, since she is, for the most part, trying to play with a moral compass while being vocal about people that aren’t.
You don’t want a Moose HOH if you are looking for Kyle to be the main target. Just saying. He’s trying to hard to put everything back together.
Summer and Tyn wanted to throw to Jess, Haleena.
Haleena wanted to throw to Summer and Tyn. That was as of Tuesday.
Hermon… he would throw if the vote was 6-5.
I think Jess puts up Hermon and Moose as original noms.
I think Hermon puts up Kevin and Jess as original noms.
I think Moose? okay Moose is a blindspot for me… but assume Jess. I think he’d push for people to target Jace, only so he can get the coverband boys all together.
Marty’s worries about Tynesha stem from her avoiding him for a couple days. She was led to believe Marty was using her status as a parent to get info out of her and give it to the other side. He was also upset she hangs our with Betty.
Something I note: each of Kevin and Jess and Haleena while talking decided that this week is the week three / four chaos where everything splits, reforms, then goes back to the way it was before. The three seem to believe this week is a stand alone in terms of alliancing. The object is to reform in a better position.
I’m glad to see you are well! I will attempt to remember what each person has said they would do for targeting, and do up a small chart. It will be very rough, because you must consider who each person said these targets to… and they could easily be lying. Most of these are predicated on Steph staying (she would target whoever the guys say but likely toss up Summer for refusing a vote). So targets are based on a lie to begin with…
Totally forgot that Gino believed Moose in regard to Tynesha targeting him.
I don’t know how much of a factor that is given the blowout in the vote.
WED. VETO and fluff episode of WRECKING BALL FLAMING DUMPSTER WEEK:
preamble: last i heard there was a possibility that only 2 people were voting to keep Steph.
However… Post episode around 9pm in the house there should be some weird change that occurs for the sake of drama right after a d/r call. I still say don’t get worked up in either direction until they go to bed tonight.
POST NOMS
Moose says no logic. Steph has a fire inside.
Betty celebrates not being on the block.
Kyle tells Steph isn’t target it’s all Moose’s fault.
Moose tells some of the 7 Kyle has multiple alliances.
Tynesha d/r says Kyle’s HOH is a crap show. please, i’m pretty sure crap is aware it stinks.
Hermon: why is Moose doing this? Save the 7? Moose lies to Hermon. Hermon buys it.
Moose said these targets in front of 4 people.
Moose Kyle chat. Y’know… i never really bought this chat as anything more than a suggested situational storyline chat. The passion was non existent.
VETO PICKS
Let’s take Steph off the block Kyle says to Gino. She’s not a big enough pawn.
Moose twists the lie even more to Josh.
Josh is saying he’ll use veto, but in d/r says he wouldn’t use it on Moose.
Summer gets hg choice: picks Gino. Moose gets Josh. Kyle spins Betty.
Hermon Summer discuss the idiocy of Kyle’s HOH and now wanting Steph taken off the block to play hero.
VETO COMP
Dear viewers: the HOST is HALEENA. if you are episode only…. you’ve only seen her for about 10 minutes since premiere. She has maybe 5-7 d/r. and you think she’s working with Jace, Steph and the Mandems.
Bee’s Knees 2.0
Puzzle finish order: Moose, Josh, Steph, Gino. Betty is still doing the puzzle?
Everyone is starting on the last part of the comp. Betty finishes her puzzle.
Moose lost all his balls. Cathches back up to Josh. Josh loses 3 balls. Moose wins veto.
Post veto
Steph Jace and Haleena check in. sideye.
Marty is being brought into the 7. Marty doesn’t like it. Marty is only for the 4. That’s the mens’ alliance that had no name. Marty pushes Josh. UHHHHgain. Hermon says why take one of our numbers out? Marty doesn’t continue most of them as ‘our numbers’.
Timing is WAAAY OFF… I don’t think that convo happened on Veto Day. I think it was a morning conversation.
RENOM ROULETTE
Kyle thinks Betty is the plan, and told she’s going on the block for the second time.
Marty thinks Josh is the ticket. Marty is the architect of the mess he now denies being part of.
Kyle goes to Hermon….Hermon is not jazzed. Messiest HOH ever d/r followed by Here goes the Hot tub arranged storyline soliloquy. Oh, you thought that felt natural?
Haleena Kyle talk. No target named he just wants her vote with no knowledge. She makes the face afterwards.
VETO CEREMONY
Moose uses the veto on himself. Josh is the RENOM.
Tynesha cries.
Steph d/r thinks Josh means she isn’t being evicted for sure.
Josh d/r says he will go after Kyle if he stays, after this week he won’t win the game.
Betty doesn’t believe she’s not a nominee.
Feeds return
to the chaos of people going from conversation to conversation. i wasn’t expecting this until Survivor was over. I’m not ready in the slightest and might not be in the right head space in allll of my judgements.
Kyle says to Marty he’s sure he has Jess. Even if she flips they have the numbers.
Marty is worried. He doesn’t think he can pull off a lie and play middle like he and Kevin planned. (Reality, he wants brotection and frat parties with everyone else promising not to target him… no that’s the case).
Kevin is confused. Says he’s still thinking he’ll vote to keep Josh.
Back in HOH, Hermon is saying Jess may not vote with them to Kyle and Gino.
Jess has told Josh even if everyone else is lying, she’s voting to keep Josh.
Josh fears he has too many votes. Josh shuuuut up.
Tynesha is telling Steph she was the big target at the beginning. Steph wonders if that was just false information to see if anyone fell for it and became disloyal… whu? why?
Moose has gone to Jace, saying he’ll answer any questions she has next week.
Moose has gone to Kyle saying he isn’t after Kyle immediately unless it’s a double.
Kyle understands if Moose wants to throw Josh a vote. Says he’s confident he has the votes.
Moose talks to Gino and asks him to explain what he’s doing. Gino says getting out a comp beast by back door wasn’t a bad idea. He loves Josh and wishes he could keep him.
Marty is still spinning out. For some reason he’s worried about Tynesha and i’m not sure what that is about at all. Jess and Kevin are trying to keep Marty from doing a full tail spin and sinking them. Hermon enters. eyeroll.
So: Kevin and Moose and now Tynesha. What’s going on there? Odd moves out of each of them. Well, only the Tynesha thing is odd. Kevin and Moose i’ve been expecting. Moose trying to hedge his bets, and Kevin being Kevin for the sake of Kevining. Anyone that didn’t see a Marty spiral coming… really?
Jess is telling Kyle they are worried about another rogue vote being pinned on them. Asks if it’s Hermon that distrusts them. Kyle won’t answer. Just says Jess voting how Kyle wants would help their game. Kyle asks Jess to mention future targets. Jess says they’d have to look at how things stand, but knows Moose has said their name. Kyle says he will keep coming for Moose until he gets him.
Summer and Gino. I’m so not in the mood for THESE two in particular doing a mating dance of flirting with each other while trying to poke each other for info. Josh wasn’t put up for just being a physical threat? I’m not sure if i want to hear more…
I am going to admit something right now… When feeds came back I was immediately confused. If i’m way off in my impressions here… someone feel free to correct me. I wasn’t expecting the oddities yet, so i wasn’t prepared.
IS everyone just jockeying for position and hedging bets?????
Exhausted tonight. Lol. I will try to put in a summation later, unless the current air pressure shift I’m feeling right now makes me fall asleep.
WEDNESDAY Last Call
Sorry I was so unprepared with feeds return. It felt much more chaotic than it actually was while i was watching another program at the same time.
Right now… it might actually be one of those odd oops votes.
By that I mean, ain’t nobody going to be able to hide if almost everyone is voting the same way against the HOH’s game.
Kevin is blaming Jess. Hermon is blaming Kevin. Marty wanted to blame Tynesha if he joins the vote. I have no clue why they aren’t going with the last moment word came down that someone flipped and they didn’t want to be against majority. Just tell them Josh grabbed you last second, said he has 7 votes, and didn’t want to be on the wrong side. But this season everyone is following the rogue vote script. Considering how many people have narrowed the last rogue vote down to Hermon… who thinks they’re going to buy that Hermon stayed on point this time in the boy’s camp?
What the rogue votes should actually guarantee? No more pawns. Has anyone figured that out? Noooope. Everyone is still talking cute about pawns and backdoors. Nope. They should start with three names, all outside of their current power structure, and those are the noms. I’m imagining a lot of pawns going home in our future.
I still believe Moose is trying to get a menlliance back together. Hermon will as well.
I still believe someone has gotten a d/r cue to screw with the blindside.
I still believe someone could turn to Kyle and say if you are in multiple alliances with everybody, you are loyal to nobody.
Vote count at the moment? 7 or 8 votes to keep Josh. But I half expect that to shift back to the stupid 6-5.
People whose game stats should have improved this week? Kevin and Jess. People that got no credit, no gratitude, and no alliance out of their hard work? Kevin and Jess. Summer actually did some work earlier in the week. She started the Rebel Reject alliance that got some of the unusual suspects on the same page. She’ll get some credit , but the lion’s share will go to Hermon who did the least of all of them. Check the edit. It’s coming.
People whose games declined? Kyle, Gino, Jace, Haleena, Marty. Kyle is obvious. Gino stopped playing once veto ceremony ended, so did Jace. Haleena was too visibly indecisive which comes across as sketch, and Marty for obvious reasons.
People whos game didn’t change? Betty. When someone figures out what game she actually thinks she is playing…. please tell me. At this point she’s just an anchor that votes Hermon if she gets to jury and he gets to finals… because of their relationship.
Why I still believe Hermon wants to play middle and then reunite with the guys when Kyle goes? His plan is nominate Kevin. He pulled the three men of the new alliance together to form a suballiance. History repeating.
Something was brought to my attention.
The Haleena fear.
Imagine an erratic player is aligned with multiple people, and most of them are comp winners so far.
Imagine they say vote with us.
On the flip side: a bunch of people that aren’t aligned really, and name each other as untrustworthy multiple times a day say flip with us.
So a bunch of individuals want you to flip against all of the comp winners and mr. backstab.
That was the big dilemma.
I hadn’t thought about how imposing it would be to flip on all of the season’s comp winners being led by a guy that targets his own alliances.
That would be intimidating. I hadn’t actually thought about it.
Before they went to sleep last night Kevin made a large scene about Gino and Jace being in bed together. He went over the top humor to get practically the entire house into the room to see the showmance canoodling to increase their target. Definitely his intent.
I don’t know where Marty is now with his vote. He was annoying me.
This might sound silly, but I get the feeling Moose MIGHT have dropped some info to Jace. I’m not sure. He’s offered to give details / answer questions anytime next week. Tbh, I’m of the impression Moose will want someone to take out Jace so that Gino can come back to the boys club.
With the vote possibly being even more lopsided (depending on Marty), I don’t think anyone is going to be able to point fingers at who the rogue vote is. Instead it will have to be a factor of who led the flip.
Hey AN,
Did you see my post/questions below?
You answered some of them in your recent updates but wondering specifically about two things…
Is Kev really disloyal to Jess or is he just playing with people to make it seem like they aren’t close (like he’s doing with Summer – but then telling people they are purposely fighting to distract)?
I get Jess is someone he knows can’t go to the end (would win as per him) but it doesn’t make sense to me he would want out a logical thinker this early in the game or someone that is a shield for him b/c she’ll likely go up before him in numerous scenarios.
As for tonight’s HOH…
I don’t think Kev/Haleena/Betty/Summer/T will try to win (or be able to beat the others)
That would leave Jace/Gino feeling like they HAVE to win based on the vote — Hermon/Marty/Moose to take back control/have power — Josh to backdoor Kyle and Jess (to feel safe for a week and realign the house)
Although Hermon/Marty/Moose have all spouted about how terrible Kyle’s HOH was I don’t trust any of them would go after Kyle – Herm/Moose would both target Jess I fear whereas Marty seems desirous of the men’s group but I don’t think he’d go for Jess as his priority — for all his banter about wanting to work with Josh I could still see him targeting him.
I’d love Jess to win just for the scrambling and all the intel she would gather like Kev’s backstabbing, Hermon/Moose comments, all the alliances, etc, etc. Based on your notes TPTB are pushing Hermon but he’s who she really needs to get out of the house (or Moose as a secondary option).
So for fans who like strategy Jess or Josh is the best case scenario to win HOH and if TPTB are ramming their plot down our throats then it’ll be Hermon or Moose winning and then taking out Jess (I think Kev is safe based on how much they’ve shown him & his rat behavior)
Thoughts?
Well
Feeds returned to Marty and Haleena on one cam, Kyle with Betty and Josh on the other.
Marty is upset Gino won’t look at him.
Haleena told him to just TELL them that he was sure he got safety because they were turning on him (i think that was her point).
Kyle was saying the house has spoken. Josh says there’s a lot to unpack and he’ll talk to him this week to answer anything.
Jess and Jace convo leads me to believe each of Gino and Jace suspected the other of having flipped their vote.
Gino has mentioned Moose needs to continue being the target (yesterday) but at the same time says to Moose he wants to rebuild. He said he thinks Haleena is a rat about Jace and Steph (beginning last week). Gino is likely hurt he wasn’t let in on the vote, which most likely makes him question both Marty and Hermon (but he’ll let them off).
Kevin Jess reality: the longer the heat stays on Jess going into the middle / usual double, the more Kevin thinks that he can coast.
It is partially fake so NOBODY figures out they are close. It’s partially that he sees Jess as being like him, only moral.
That’s my quick take on Kevin and Jess. Kevin respects her, but doesn’t want her to get past middle game for sure.
I’m still trying to figure out whether they are throwing a trojan horse at us in the edit.
The Adam / Spicy V / Jed effect in the early stage of the game.
Quite a few edits are incongruous with what they are doing in the game.
THURSDAY MORNING BEFORE FEEDS DOWN
From what I saw before I left this morning, it looked like Haleena and Summer were counting votes (and coming up with 12 votes again). They aren’t going to tell Hermon that the vote is 8 or 9 for Josh to stay. They want him to vote with the alliance.
Summer is not for the blame Kevin and Jess plan floating around. She wants Kyle’s HOH to be rubbed in Kyle’s face as the reason everyone turned. (Personal thought: Summer didn’t like the convo where Kyle said the 7 is dead but they’ll keep Summer around for a while).
The plan is to nail down the True Fuse alliance in the same room this afternoon. The only person that hasn’t been pulled in as a group member is Moose. Nobody seems to know how he’s voting, but the tone seems to be votes with us or he’s against us.
Moose for his part was indirectly tipping Steph off that maybe she doesn’t have as many votes as she thinks. He’s done this with each of Kyle, Gino and now Steph. He did have some sort of convo with Jace last night, but feeds went to it at the end.
Jess was acting like she’s voting with the Kyle people to Steph.
Steph can’t wait for the chance to open a big door and win a prize.
Jess was right last night, Tynesha should NOT warn Steph.
feeds went down before 10am. Most had showered or were showering. Breakfast prep was ongoing. Summer was folding Kyle’s laundry because she was sick of seeing it in the dryer.
Personal note: I’ve already said I’m at odds with a large part of bbtwitter. The straw for me was when there was a quick call to cancel Jess for her comment to Josh comparing them being aligned to the cookout being aligned. The call didn’t last, but it was a ridiculous thing in my mind and cemented my position absolutely.
The house is half POC, so reasonably speaking, at some point a POC is going to be a target if the goal is to evict everyone. Jumping to the assumption that mentioning a POC as target MUST be whitedevil… it’s jumping the gun. If that person only ever mentions POC as targets, I begin looking at possible bias. The fact that an agreement not to target other POC might exist (from a convo between Summer and Jay last week), I’d point at that as bias as well. Until i am sure and have contextual understanding, I’m not willing to be on board with bbtwittercancels. There’s too many calls for cancels this season, and a lot of them are ridiculous. There are currently 14 people playing big brother. I’m still in that position.
THURSDAY EVICTION EPISODE
Someone will be shook is Arisa’s tag before cutting to recap of POV Ceremony.
Steph d/r: I’m golden
Tynesha d/r: wtf not happening.
Kyle d/r: This is my plan, my move, I’ve got the numbers.
Josh d/r: Kyle not smart enough.
POST POV
Jace comes in crying. Jess is upset. Steph doesn’t get Jess’ reaction.
Summer Josh talk. Not happening Kyle.
Kevin Jess. Again Haleena is out of the alliance.
Betty didn’t get it. Kevin was actually trying to help her… oi vey. Game error: Betty. (i may soon just call her game error cus i’m sensing a pattern).
Summer wants to gather the undecided.
Tynesha reveals the savage 7 to Haleena.
Haleena reveals she told Kyle he has her vote. (lot more was cut out here).
Haleena d/r says Kyle has ruined her invisible middle game but she doesn’t trust anyone.
NOTE: I have a feeling. D/R might have been giving a warning to Kyle in the direction of their questions.
CAMPAIGN SEGMENT sorta
Showmance segment. The nobody feels comfortable coming into their room part.
Jess is laying out to Josh she’s not voting him out no matter what.
Kevin is working on Marty. Why did Canada save Marty segment.
Marty goes to Josh. Josh actually does like Marty. Josh attempts to swing Marty.
NOTE: no mention of the new Retreat. No mention of the final 5 deal to Haleena. No mention of the new allliances at all.
Steph campaigns to Hermon. A running theme. Hermon says he’s targeting Kyle.
Village Voice name choice for the 4 boys. Kyle is confident he has 7 votes with Haleena and Jess.
Kyle goes to Haleena. wants her to be the icing. Haleena d/r even more indecisive.
Marty and Kevin: Kevin is elated d/r . Kevin is happy to say he flipped. Game cred. old man and nerd being played by a kid segment.
VOTING
EVICT STEPH
Summer, Jess, Haleena, Tynesha, Hermon, Marty, Kevin, Betty, Moose.
Evict JOSH
Jace, Gino.
9-2 vote.
Steph, Kyle, Jace dumbstruck. Gino looking concerned.
Great liars in the game. Kyle I’m betting is scared. Jace confused as heck.
Nothing is at face value.
Shopping showdown will be the next HOH.
HOH Shopper’s Showcase
Hermon out (obvious throw)
Jace, summer, Haleena, Tynesha, Gino
Kevin out.
Everyone is laughing at Betty’s HOH reactions.
GINO WINS.
Gino winning fits the show editing paradigm (once they inserted the showmance clip duing campaign you had to see something was odd there). Why else would they put that in?
I wondered if they gave him the answers – but then again I guessed an hour and a half which is 5,400 seconds (and just above what he guessed) so maybe not.
Also – quick question — are Simon & Dawg not doing the typical updates this season? I’ve been busy and it may have been posted already so sorry if this is a repeat. Thanks for all your thoughts as per usual though 😉
The fact that every answer comes out as a weird ass minute and 40 seconds?
Who says in their head, hmmm i think that comp was one hour twenty eight minutes and forty seconds? Who? Let alone one hour and forty one minutes and 40 seconds.
Honestly, didn’t see Marty’s number. If it wasn’t a flat time, but instead was another ‘and 40 seconds’ i’m gonna be eyerolling and sink eyeing.
Thursday feed return:
Okay: had a bit of an allergy issue today. Allergy meds tend to decrease my IQ. That being said I gotta ask:
HOW ARE GINO AND JACE THINKING EACH FLIPPED ON THE OTHER?
They only talk to each other for days, and spent a day lying in bed. Neither played big brother at all after veto ceremony.
Marty believes he and Hermon will be noms, because he would have targeted Kyle and Gino for turning on him last week. Haleena tells Marty if he has to, and he and Hermon ARE on the block, he has to sell out Hermon working both sides.
Let’s remember: Marty is paranoid and spins. This doesn’t mean that Marty has any knowledge. He thinks Tynesha and Betty are after him….. uhhh.
Haleena fears the noms will be Haleena and Betty. She says Kyle and Jace are both mad.
Marty fears the noms will be Hermon and Marty. Haleena seems to think Hermon is a viable option for leaving if they blame Hermon for leading the flip. well they’ll be cancelled any minute now…. there it is.
Jace thinks she was left out of the conversation to flip because of her relationship to Steph (totally missing the you’re in a showmance with Gino angle).
Jace thinks a few votes were very last minute flips because of growing fear that the vote was flipping. Not even a little.
Jess tells Josh and Jace that she’s out of the loop, the house tells her nothing, she figured things out regarding the vote change, and this afternoon figured it was going to be Josh staying so she voted that way.
Kevin is acting like he doesn’t want to game talk tonight. (reality he’s watching who scrambles where). If Kevin is a consideration for noms: watch him. He’ll throw everything on Hermon and Moose after the warning Haleena gave him that Hermon or Moose was going to blame his vote on Kevin… or rat out fellow floater Haleena. Anyone but himself.
Gino is playing pool with Tynesha and Moose. He probably said no game talk tonight and repacked his emotion chip in his box to recharge… he almost showed two emotions tonight, that had to set him back to a single blinking bar. GIno’s big game schtick has been loyalty and no liars. Everyone left him out of the flip, but he knew where Summer was voting from the start, meaning he shouldn’t nom her. Who does Gino target to rebuild with the house? Shouldn’t be Josh cus look how that turned out. The original 7 might now actually be safe if he’s in rebuild.
NOTES: Feeds are a bit bbcanized at the moment. Blinking in out for no damn reason.
Steph’s eviction address up stairs on episode. She says in her post eviction insta that she though big men’s alliance (not that she thought big POC alliance). Bbtwitter needs to calm down. Again. SInce feeds came on, Haleena has gotten her fourth cancel call. Marty is on cancel number 6. Haleena mentioned Slop. Could they finally be starting have nots?
I’m sort of wondering if they are now doing HOH room reveal stuff. Feeds went down about… one hour ago. Announcement of have nots or HOH reveal is my suspicion.
I know Gino said Moose as target last week. I doubt that remains the case. But Gino says about twelve game words a week. Who knows what HE actually does.
TOTALLY FORGOT:
Gino.
TOTALLY believes Tynesha is targeting him.
My bad everyone. I Keep forgetting Gino thinks T is out to get him.
Feeds down still. It’s been an hour and forty minutes.
If it was BBCAN6 or 7, this would be production notes time. Shush. Things in both seasons were very obvious. In 6 if any HOH named Paras as a potential target, they were immediately called to the d/r in the middle of the conversation, came back to their HOH room a half hour later with Paras being safe, every damn time. In Seven it was the Monday pre veto d/r calls where everyone that wasn’t in the prettyboys was called into the d/r, and left the d/r no longer believing in a four man alliance they’d just spent a day and a half confirming… every damn week. You know, that entire these aren’t the droids you are looking for drgremlining that is beyond obvious and pisses me off every damn time.
So, we should immediately know who Gino targets, unless he uses up his 12 game words a day.
No way they gave them a booze party… right????? Totally forgot. St. Patricks day, and that traditional since BBCAN3 block for party during week three/four for everyone to get drunk and make out in the hot tub.
Global, get a booze sponsor and we block feeds for booze. Slice never did that shit.
I even mentioned it would be coming before the season began… if tonight is Hot Tub Orgy night, we aren’t getting feeds back until tomorrow at around 11am. Just saying.
BEFORE I CRASH
OPINION AND GUESSES
How did Gino not notice the HUGE smile on Summer’s face for the eviction from before she got up to vote until the result was announced? Why was someone he knew was voting to save Josh smiling her damn head off? I mean… He looks at Summer quite a bit so…
Given his convo with Moose yesterday, how did he not have the slightest clue?
Given Hermon expressed his angst to Gino and Marty days ago… no really. How?
It’s going to be difficult to piece together Gino’s motivations from the current storyline… since he only has 11 d/r (Jay had somewhere between 25-30).
If Gino has a tactical brain whatsoever:
He’ll realize targeting a single member of the original savage 7 this week will only lead to the same result.
Therefore, he either has to put up 2 members or not target a savage 7 at all.
I think he doens’t target the two members he wanted gone as of a couple days ago (Tynesha and Moose), because it may consolidate him on the outside of house dynamic. What does that leave?
Jess, Kevin, Haleena, Betty, Marty.
Jace. The foot soldiers Kyle thought he had sufficiently intimidated or schmoozed into being his willing supplicants.I’m not sure I take Marty’s word for it when he says he and Hermon look like the target. Marty already told Gino he’s in a good spot still, and to regroup and figure out who he feels most betrayed him. Marty says Kyle is very sore about being made to look a fool because of the vote. He is taking it very personally and feels everyone humiliated him.
Marty may say he isn’t going to try to talk to Gino. However, I totally believe he will.
Marty may woe is me and spin, but he also rats out everyone at the drop of a hat. Telegram, Telephone, Tell a Marty.
Marty believes Gino and Kyle were betraying him. He believes he convinced Haleena to flip. He believes he and Kevin were being taken for a ride by Kyle.
Kevin: I believe Kevin will pull out the safety insurance as his reason for paranoia… why would Canada save Marty when Kyle was HOH if they are working together unless Marty wasn’t safe. Kevin? likely blames Jess or Hermon for the flip (my money still on Jess).
Haleena? god only knows but expect her to screw herself up… she will somehow. Of the men’s group, Gino was the one that didn’t like her as much. He also didn’t like the final five lie because he wants to play more straight up (plus they already told that lie to Jace and to Kevin). He thinks she is a snitch (Summer deflections were about Jess and Haleena last week).
Betty? Betty will go in saying she didn’t owe Kyle anything, he made her week hell by saying she was going on the block all week, then saying she wasn’t worth targeting as bottom of the barrell.
In terms of the Post shake up division stablization: We all realize that bb doesn’t like it when a showmance is broken early. They still think we want to see that crap.
Kyle, if he has any sense, tries to sink under a rock for the week. Instead I imagine Kyle will ty to rule Gino’s HOH. Has Gino ever once shown gumption in a conversation? He defers. He’s an introvert.
Gino’s personality type: Introverted but Brosbefore. He doesn’t like snakey game (but supported Kyle’s outhouse of an HOH…. oi). Gino thought he and Marty were the only votes to save Steph. Jace thought Kyle was the mastermind of the vote flip, and Gino was in on it to make her look stupid.
D’oh.
Gino’s tactical style: going on a limb here, because he isn’t verbose with the strategy talk.
Gino will target whoever has said Gino’s name. Failing that, Gino will take out the strongest of the weak or outsider. I don’t see him targeting Jace or Summer. He’s kissed both of them in the same day, and that would look sketchy (like kissing them both in the same day wasn’t sketchy).
NAMES GINO HAS MENTIONED AS TARGETS UP TO YESTERDAY:
Moose, Tynesha, Jess. But that was pre blindside.
Somehow, my gut is extrapolating to me that Jess may end up his target by Monday. I have zero clue if that is what will happen… but it has to be what Jess is thinking too. Jess always thinks everyone is out to get them. I could be way off. I don’t know enough about Gino’s take on house dynamic to know what he will do. Is Gino good at pivoting? Is he more betrayed by the closer relationships keeping him in the dark, or does he go after the outsiders because they were too weak to do as they were told? THIS is what i’m looking to see.
WILL GINO BE ABLE TO BUILD RELATIONSHIPS, OR CONTINUE TO SET FIRE TO THE ALLIANCES IN THE HOUSE A LA KYLE?
When the entire house betrays you, do you realize why the betrayal happened or personalize? Kyle WILL personalize. What will Gino do?
Feeds returned somewhere around 220 am bbt. Everyone is in bed with both cams being on the red bedroom. I don’t think Hermon is sleeping next to Marty anymore. Totally different sleep position unless they switched sides of the bed.
Would it be funny if Kyle was in the red bedroom now, given that he and Marty were bunkmates week one? Yes. Yes it would.
BBTwitter seems to be saying get rid of Haleena or Marty or Jess so that Tynesha Moose and Hermon are safe. They have much more creative names and descriptions for H/M/J that are really really telling.
Last thing: So Betty really believed the Surf’s up comp (that she was out of immediately) only lasted 16 minutes 40 seconds? That’s what 1000 seconds would be.
Gino’s guess of 5320 would mean one hour and 28 minutes and 40? And he was short. How is she going to guess 1000??? AND WHY WERE ALL THE ANSWERS and 40 seconds? Moose was one hour 41 minutes and 40 seconds. That’s some really odd math choices. nobody appeared to even DO the math, they all just chose odd numbers that coincidentally round out to end with 40 seconds. Strange. I’m tentatively sideyeing that for peculiarity.
Friday a.m.
So i was kidding when i said i bet Gino said no game talk last night.
HE DID. eyeroll.
They got booze last night.
Marty and Moose kissed. On my bingo card… that wasn’t a thing.
Kevin is trying to get Marty to… i dunno… not roll over and volunteer to be a nominee.
Apparently Marty came clean with a timeline already? Of course he did. Too much words Marty? Have you listened to him?
Gino got to release that tension he’d built up (… and it wasn’t with Kyle?). Jace shared the HOH bed. if you saw the face i just made typing that… repeatedly… you know.
Kyle is now a resident of the red bedroom. He’s up, and dressed, and waiting to take control of Gino’s HOH immediately. He’s waiting in the pit for Gino to untangle himself from Jace. Keep waiting…. Tynesha has joined because of course she has.
Ok. Jace is off to shower in genpop. Gino is talking about getting the show on the road and making people nervous.
ONE ON ONES
Gino / Hermon. Hermon has already covered his tracks with Gino. Like you didn’t know he would. Last night. When things got heated…. which we missed.
He pulled Gino aside and said he wasn’t part of any conspiracy, he just didn’t respect the way Kyle was treating him, and wanted to show his disapproval with a vote.
Gino says he’s playing a solo game now. He tells Hermon that he isn’t going this week.
Hermon says it wasn’t the plan, it was the execution that really got to him.
Gino says his trust level is at zero with everyone. *NOMS WILL BE BASED ON TRUST / BROKEN TRUST.
G: I have 3 questions.
H: I can be a good ally, win comps, I have good relationships in the house to help you.
G: 2. who do you not wanna see go home this week?
H: Marty. he’s smart.
G: Beach or Snow?
H: Hermon.
G: 4. You’re in the bathroom, there’s no TP, what do you use?
H: uhh my hand? both laugh.
Gino / Betty has been postponed until Gino has breakfast
Betty had spoken to Jess, saying look how comfortable Jace is. Jess says that’s why women showmance. Jess said she already told Jace that perceived optics is why she was left out of vote discussion. Jace is mad at everyone for being left out.
Gino / Betty. Betty says she gets Gino saying he already pretty much has a plan. Says going after girls is a weak play, he should look at who wouldn’t target him. She says she respects his loyalty, but what did that do for his game last week? She says she is honest, and has only told one lie in the house, telling Steph she has her vote. Gino offers to Betty that he had told Summer he was winning HOH before the comp. It sucks he couldn’t enjoy his win because of what had just happened. Betty suggests Gino seriously considers Kyle as a nominee, because of what Kyle’s HOH did to Gino’s game.
Gino offers her nothing, just that he will tell nominees before the ceremony. Betty says had she won, Gino would not have been a nominee.
Gino / Moose. Lone wolf crap again. Moose says a lot of crap was messed up last week, and there was a lot of trust lost. He says Gino can rebuild like Moose had to.
Meanwhile: Kyle is filibustering Josh on how last week was all Marty’s fault. Josh says he’s open to rebuilding the cracks in the relationship, maybe it’s not the worst thing that the seven has dissolved. Kyle hopes he can help Gino this week. Kyle says he lost trust because of Marty and Haleena. (possible target slips by Kyle?)
Moose answers.
ONE ON ONES PART 2
Gino / Summer. She’s not on Gino’s radar. She says Gino has no problems in the house except for his closeness with Kyle. She says she expects Kyle’s name to come up a lot because of just how he played his HOH last week. Kyle removes the target from Gino completely. Summer asks if she is a renom option: Gino says no. Gino says he knows she’s working with people. She says yes, but she would jump ship in a second if there was nonsense that jeopardized her game. She says she felt she had to keep Gino out of the loop because of his closeness to Kyle.
Gino will be taking Josh to Wendy’s.
Tynesha brings coffee for Gino (oh she’s laying it on thick today)
Summer says she’s still down for the Jamaican and the Greek game duo.
Summer and Gino agree not to use each other as pawns.
Kevin interrupted in a suit to deliver papers? Is he pulling the season 4 Cassandra secretary routine???? Eyeroll.
Meanwhile 2:
Marty is sad sacking AGAIN. He doesn’t want a one on one with Gino. He’s trying to say he felt manipulated, and that he’d be on the wrong side when asked why he didn’t just vote with the guys.
Gino / Tynesha
Tynesha seems anxious (gee she’s named Gino as a target repeatedly… why would she?)
Kevin is acting as Gino’s secretary Andrew. Gino asks about Tynesha’s knee. Tynesha is throwing Marty under the bus. He turned on him and has talked about wanting to work with other people. She says all of the target flipping of Kyle’s HOH was unnecessary this soon in the game. Says she wouldn’t have looked at Gino as a target until the seven got to seven. She said she was honest with Steph and Kyle about her vote. She could be someone honest on Gino’s side. Tynesha says her daughter is her weakness, and people using her daughter to gain her trust is a problem. (Marty again I think). Tynesha says she is tight with Summer, likes Hermon too, but isn’t sure how he feels about her, and isn’t as close to Moose as people seem to think. She says her target would be Kyle.
Gino calls Andrew the secretary in. asap.
Gino / Kevin
Kevin felt the 6 alliance was a fake (that retreat redux alliance), and when he felt the vote was shifting yesterday, he changed his vote. Kevin says the only people Gino can trust are Jace and Kyle. Everyone else is a pathological liar. Gino talks lone wolf. Kevin mentions wanting to win first HOH, but apparently comps are hard.
Kevin asks what Gino envisions as his route to the end? Gino says he can only focus on the now at this point because he’s a target of the house in guilt by association.
Kevin says gino CAN trust jace and kyle. compares them to Jed Ty and Beth. He says he wants to stay in the house as long as he can.
Kevin jokes about the showmance, and how it makes his target bigger, because the showmance is so invisible. He jokes about how much fun it is to be with a showmance.
Kevin says everyone but Betty is a liar. People will throw out names, but choose two people you don’t mind leaving since he’s already got people in mind.
Gino says he will target people that are a threat to his game. He says he has a point system to his questions to avoid people’s bullshit.
When asked why he flipped: He thought Kyle was his number one, but Jess asked how he knows Kyle thinks Kevin is his number one. The 6 alliance seemed fake as hell.
Gino asks if Kevin will respect his target. Kevin says he wants to say yes, but after last week… Kevin mentions Jess again. Says she is weird for his game, she’s never target him, but he doesn’t really care if she’s there or not. Kevin says he isn’t closing the door on Kyle, but it can’t be bullshit, it has to be real. Kevin is disarming Gino and getting him to admit he trusts Jace and Kyle the most.
Kevin is bonding with Gino well. He says don’t break Jace’s heart. Says he wants to experience everything in the house, watching a showmance, being on slop etc.
Gino is taking a break before Haleena.
NOTES: Hermon and Summer are safe.
Betty and Moose unknown.
Tynesha appealed to emotion but her answers? a bit cringey.
Kevin bonded but a couple of his explanations might be iffy.
One on Ones Part Three
Gino / Haleena:
Haleena isn’t going to throw anybody under the bus, she’s not going to be a rat.
Haleena says it wasn’t her responsibility to tell Gino and Jace about the vote flipping, and the reason she changed her vote was because the targets flipped so many times, and she felt uncomfortable with that, but she changed because she was ‘told’ josh is staying so she went with the majority.
She says she doesn’t see Kyle and Gino as being tied up in guilt by association, but she says in the house that’s a perception.
Haleena says she can be trustworthy, and wants to build that with Gino.
Haleena may be a nominee. Gino said they will have more chats. She didn’t impress with her mile a minute talking.
Gino / Jess
Jess said the party was good for decompression.
Jess hasn’t talked a lot of game with Gino. They says Gino and Jace have been nothing but kind to them, but they would totally respect Gino taking a shot since they were part of the blindside vote, and they know Gino doesn’t respect snakes and liars. Jess says they are certain 2 people are targeting them, so that’s who they would be after. Jess names Hermon as one of the two, doesn’t name the other.
MEANWHILE:
Kyle and Hermon are going at it. Kyle doesn’t think he was a power mad HOH that disregarded all of his allies games and only told people what they had to do, and didn’t communicate or consider allies games. It’s gettting heated.
Something about Haleena being told to flip her vote 2 mins before, and Kyle believing it was Hermon who said it.
Back to Gino / Jess Jess says they didn’t feel that they owed anyone a heads up in regard to their vote, but other people owed Gino far more of an explanation. Steph almost won the week 2 HOH, and they had no relationship with Steph (but feels close to Josh i think?) Jess points out they knew Gino would do well in the HOH comp, and others seemed surprised. Jess doesn’t want Josh Marty or Kyle to leave. Jess has implied that Hermon and Moose are part of the rat/snake infestation in the house.
Gonna just say, hand and soap didn’t impress Gino for number 4 answer.
I’m back and forth on the Hermon/Kyle, Jess / Gino talks.
Jess said she did owe Kyle, and knows Gino is close to Kyle, so she’s not going to throw Kyle utb, even though some people have told her to.
Back to Meanwhile
Kyle doesn’t get that Hermon is a scapegoat.
Jess answers
At this point: the worst seem to be Betty/Jess/Haleena. But remember his talk in week one: have to remove the weaklings so the real game can start is what he said. That was the first thing i heard him say, made me think he was going to be “THAT” guy.
However: he isn’t speaking to Marty at all. And Kyle has been throwing around Marty and Haleena a lot.
Kyle left Hermon. Kyle is more angry at Hermon as the ringleader of the flip than Marty is the take away.
Kyle is investigating the flip. Tbh, it seems Gino isn’t actually using his position to collect info on that.
Gino Jace. Some people are trying to tell him what to do. They laugh at Kevin’s lawyer / assistant improv Andrew. OH I GET IT. Andrew is Kevin’s lawyer in his legal separation from Gino (from the caught Gino and Jl stuff he pulled to get the whole house to recognize the showmance the night before eviction). Boy do I feel stupid.
THERE MAY BE A MARTY TALK AFTER ALL. My french can’t deal with it.
ONE ON ONES PART 4
Gino / Marty
Marty is having a hard time looking Gino in the eye because he betrayed him.
Gino doesn’t understand, feels Marty was out of it all week, so doesn’t get it.
Gino feels they’ve been together since day one, he’s hurt.
Marty understands if Gino nominates him. If he wins veto hopefully they can build back.
Marty said he played with his heart and not his brain, and he’s embarrassed by what he did.
Marty mentions having similar issues with Kyle’s HOH to what Hermon was feeling.
Marty said he thought Kyle wasn’t genuine when he said he had Marty’s back, and he hasn’t trusted Moose since day one.
Gino wonders if Marty can do this now… will he do it again.
and feeds cut.
Results of ONE on ONES
Marty has been told he will be a nominee Marty is telling the house (Haleena so far).
Marty has decided that Haleena is very loyal to him, and a good player, and a great final 2 choice (reminder: Marty has about 6 or 7 final 2’s set up). Marty thinks Jess is paranoid … oh the pot and kettle jokes.
Gino has told Kyle that either Tynesha or Jess will be joining him on the block.
Tynesha because she talked behind his back.
Jess because they are a question mark and they are smart, and they kept eye contact with Gino the entire discussion (oh… authority challenge).
He doesn’t care which one goes.
Kyle tells Gino that Hermon is the one pitting people against each other in the house, and playing both sides.
Gino believes it is Jess that is manipulating the house and pitting people against each other.
Gino thinks Kevin is far more aware of what goes on in the house than Kyle gave him credit for. Kyle agrees. Kyle indicates that Kevin was telling people that Kyle and Gino were operating a Brigade strategy (Cookout mission statement strategy). Gino says that was Jess talking to Kevin. (shh: it was ALL Kevin, he told Jess that).
From what he has said to Jace, Gino believe that in order for Marty to regain Gino’s trust… Marty must win Veto, then vote how Gino wants, win HOH and keep Gino safe… for a start. (only the slightest of artistic license there). Marty tells Kyle that he and Marty have mended fences, but that kind of betrayal has a cost. It doesn’t bother him if Marty stays.
Kyle has really pushed Hermon as a nom at Gino. Gino isn’t having it because Hermon isn’t after Gino (he is after Kyle, but that is Kyle’s fault). Gino isn’t here to clean up Kyle’s disaster week. Reality: Gino likes horsing around with Hermon, it isn’t allllll game allll the time.
Kyle is still pushing that Summer, Betty, Tynesha, Josh, Moose and Hermon are a six… and they are coming for Gino and Kyle. Kyle seems determined that anyone that is after Kyle is automatically after Gino, and Gino isn’t hearing that.
Josh and Hermon talked. Steph didn’t do anything wrong, she just wasn’t playing well.
Josh sympathizes Hermon has lost his showmance. Josh says while he had his Wendy’s with Gino, that Gino would have voted to keep him if he’d been asked. Hermon tells Josh that Marty was saying Josh’s name.
MARTY AND JESS ARE GOING TO BE THE NOMS.
Gino just informed Jess. He said Marty is the target. Told Jess he has no trust with them, and he’s drawing his line in the sand. I don’t buy that Marty is the target. Sorry.
Jace told Jess to take the nomination as a compliment… this is the same Jace that cried over nominations week 2 right? I mean repeatedly. mmhmm.
Gino HAS to be counting on Jace and Kyle to vote Marty if Marty is the target. Where does he get 3 more votes? Betty most likely would.
The Jess nom isn’t bad for Gino realistically. Jess never joins team Gino anyway.
I wonder if Gino is using misdirection when saying Marty is the target, just in case the house flips on him like they did on Kyle.
Gino actually believes that Marty and Jess flipped the house last week. blink blink… gee Kevin got in his head goooooood.
He says this to Hermon. blink blink.
Hermon wants Gino to wipe out the middle players (anyone but original Savage Seven).
Hermon says that is his intention in the coming weeks. (HIs intention is Kyle).
Meanwhile:
Kyle is still on a quest for a name. He’s going in on Haleena now and acting like he’s still HOH, and she has to prove herself to him. looks to left… building friendships everywhere.
Haleena hasn’t given him names like he is demanding.
Marty is already sad sacking for votes. eyeroll.
Jess is telling everyone Jess will be the nom.
Haleena is reporting that Kyle is still on the hunt for names and stomping around in inerrogation mode. Everyone in the bedroom is wondering if they have to still take his shit. They say he’s incapable of being accountable for his own behavior as HOH.
Hermon in HOH listening to music says ‘not many people would be mad if i left… interesting’ I have no idea if that was a comment from Jess earlier or from Summer earlier?
I dunno. i still take issue with Hermon’s leadership style. Sorry. It’s just asking for messy.
At this point Gino is getting the boy band back together behind Kyle’s back. He’s got Hermon and Moose. Hermon would like to be hg choice for Gino in veto, he won’t use the veto when he wins. Moose is less thrilled to be hg choice, but also wouldn’t change the noms. Moose and Hermon both agree Jess is very smart and observant and manipulative (because they talked themselves off the block twice). Hermon was originally told Marty may be target if he doesn’t win veto. ANNNY-Body else just seeing that Hermon will be trying to control the voters again?
I’m not going into secondhand details of Hot tub orgy night last night. Nope. Not gonna be me. Just gonna say when every single one of them has cold sores in a week… don’t say I didn’t warn you.
NOTES:
about to make dinner. Try to be back after noms.
At this point the entire house is going to be demanding Kyle go on the block for his corner and intimidate and interrogate routine.
At this point, regardless of what Gino wants, Hermon is going to tell everyone how to vote.
The week four restablizatio of week three’s power shift is ongoing. Back to the way it was for the most part.
Remember when Marty won the Canada safety vote, and a lot of the starf*ckers in the house wanted to pull Marty into the seven in Moose’s place so that they would be more liked?
Anyone think that isn’t playing a part in the minds of a few of these people?
OF COURSE IT IS.
Let’s be real here. I mean… he leaks like a dam about to burst when it comes to secrets.
He’s gullible. He has HORRIBLE reads and delusions. There is actually NOTHING about his game play that makes him attractive as an alliance mate.
He gets popular votes. That’s it.
Marty’s game? It’s only slightly closer to big brother than Betty’s. 43 is not so old that these simpletons can keep treating him like a hospitalized senior citizen with end stage dementia.
Gino is trying to get Kyle to play nice with Hermon and Moose and Josh. Hermon and Moose and Josh aren’t saying this to Gino, but they’d prefer Kyle choke on a whole bag of *****. Kyle is still trying to get Gino to target Hermon.
Actually, the house is pretty done with Kyle right now. He doesn’t know how to own his game, and can’t be social without someone else to blame.
At this point: Kyle’s game is where it is because all the floaters mindf*cked him.
This is the season where the sides are actually the middle because everyone has been in alliances on both sides of the line except for Jace and Jess… it’s really weird that anyone can actually name who is on a side. The entire house is the middle.
Anyone that thought maybe Jace would rebuild a game… yeah she was discussing all the J named people: Jace, Jess, Josh, Jay, Gino. sideye. She’s invisible to the game play, and seems to believe that screwing the HOH means nobody is ever going to target her.
Every time Hermon talks to a cam, it’s like he’s been given production notes to hit and he flubbed the lines. Every. Time. Eyeroll.
FRIDAY RESULTS
JESS AND MARTY ARE NOMS
Jess is hoping to find a way to keep both theythemself and Marty.
The house almost instantly said bye Jess.
JOSH immediately chose Marty over Jess. Sideye. head shke. disapproval.
I actually pity Jess for this. Went out stomping to the Gods for Josh last week after Marty was the constant nagging voice in Kyle’s head saying JOSH MUST GO….. the house chooses Marty and Josh chooses Marty. That’s nasty.
And a big part of it? He was Canada’s favorite.
Marty is hissy fitting. HUUUUGE. Like Toddler time. Intentionally. Pre veto.
He thinks Kyle and Gino have embarrassed him in front of Canada.
Wow Kevin reallllllly tanked Marty’s game. lmao. He’s basically broken Marty’s brain.
Kyle has decided that Summer Tynesha and Betty are running the house (he’s been told by Gino that he has to go play nice with Hermon). He is very upset at the possibility that the house would get rid of him before useless Betty. Reality: Kyle is really starting to be developpng a bit of a fetish in his desire to intimidate those he considers physically weaker than himself. grimace.
He apologized to Hermon like Gino suggested.
Josh and Kevin have been getting closer in the game.
Kyle has been cycling through blaming houseguests for his poor game.
He has taken up getting people one on one in rooms and interrogating them.
It’s not well received. The phenomenal social game he had has become shit.
He is sharing his game theories with Jace… who eats them up because nobody else talks game to Jace anymore… especially not Gino.
Gino has revealed more of his game to Summer than Jace. Jace REALLY is just his blow up doll. Jess and Kyle seem to be the only ones willing to spend time with Jace. Huh.
Gino admitted to Summer he chose his weak list noms, not his strong list noms this week.
In other words, he realized he couldn’t go after his real targets Moose and Tynesha because the majority group would not have liked it. Secretly the majority group are snickering and pointing at how stupid Gino was for cannibalizing. Kyle and Jace have also realized this. Actually, the entire house knows this, but it’s how Gino imagines he can work his way back into the boys club. Now here is the error in Gino’s thinking: if he wasn’t HOH would Moose and Hermon be crawled so far up his ass they can smell his breath? No DAMN way. But brolliance minded Gino doesn’t see that at all. mmhmm.
Checking…. has creepy twitter cancelled anyone today? Gino is off the cancel list today for his noms, Kyle and Jace are canceled, Haleena canceled uncanceled and canceled again, Kevin got a cancel call? who did kevin???? oh. Hermon.
If there is a punishment vote, I thought Kevin would get it for tanking Marty, but long term i see the facebookcasuals society flexxing on Gino Hermon and Kyle.
I still think the storyline is going to call for either Betty or Haleena (more likely Haleena) to be on the block this week by Monday. Why? No idea. the episode edit, to me, is inching me in that direction
POV is individually timed comp (TOTAL production set up for who they want to award the win to).
Veto players are Summer (Marty picked her via house guests choice), Haleena, and T (Jess picked her not sure if she was also house guests choice or the name the wheel landed on).
Marty picking Summer is sort of interesting since he’s supposedly besties with each of Josh, Hermon, Kevin, Haleena, (plus is fixing things with Gino) so WHY would he pick Summer ahead of all of them?
As noted lots of chatter in the house today b/c Gino spent extra time with Marty & it gave the impression they were mending things. Initially, he made it seem like Marty was the target but the real reason was to send a message to everyone else if you betray me or lie to me I’ll put you OTB with his reason for putting up Jess being that question he asked about “who is the one person you want to keep safe” – Gino said NO ONE said, Jess. Which should be all the more reason to keep her if his true intention was to take out someone who betrayed him/ or who has the greatest influence.
And to that point – we know Gino isn’t a dumb guy so just by that ^^^ logic alone he can’t possibly be buying this whole “Jess & (who was it Marty?) were the people who flipped the vote. If she has so much influence then why the hell wouldn’t anyone want to keep her?
Just saying.
Kev isn’t as sharp as he thinks – people have caught onto him (he’s selling Jess down the river & that’s going to get back to her). His name has been mentioned by a few who would like Kyle as the renom but don’t believe Gino would put him up so Summer suggests to the group discussing (Josh, Betty, T) Kev would be a good replacement option.
Josh is disappointing too b/c he knows how Jess worked the house to ensure he stayed. Although there was a convo where that group (Josh, T, Betty – I think Haleena might’ve been there too) discussed what a loose cannon Marty is & how he can’t keep ANYTHING quiet. The ladies have already figured out Jess would be the better save AND if Summer/T win POV they seem to be leaning toward saving Jess over Marty. There was even discussion on whether this is all an act by Gino/Marty so they can take out Jess.
We’ll see how the Powers That Be deal with Summer/T/Betty/Haleena wanting to keep Jess/take her off the block since production likely wants Marty kept. From a strategic BB fan POV I’m hoping Jess can stay this week & win POV but that individually timed comp sure has me thinking Marty is the one who’ll win by a mile b/c TPTB control who wins timed events.
Also of note hilarious HOH room chat between Gino/Hermon discussing how they’d be happy for Jess to leave b/c they HATE floaters playing in the middle. Ummmmmmmmm Hermon YOU are the king of playing the middle. Gino apparently is blind to that fact or has a selective vision.
Yesterday, Hermon told Gino why he was annoyed by Kyle’s HOH but how they can rectify everything – now that the noms are set he’s backtracking saying he’s not sure there is a genuine chance at reconciliation. Each of Moose/Hermon has also wavered on Marty after his outburst yesterday.
Suffice to say the Marty emotional roller coaster day was perceived by many as MORE DRAMA (and reminded them of Kyle’s HOH) so I think that’s why most say they want both Jess/Marty to stay but even the guys who’ve been keen to oust Jess are backtracking a bit. Again we’ll see how TPTB impacts things.
My two cents — Gino gave the line of “I’m working solo, rebuilding” but his true intent was to keep working with Kyle/Jace (and Summer) plus pullback in the guys. But with chats today he KNOWS for sure Moose/Hermon are likely to target Kyle & he could be collateral damage having to sit beside him soooooooooo if he wants to keep his F2 safe then he may have to shoot for Moose or Hermon if one of the noms comes down.
Oh — and since Summer, Haleena & T were all annoyed Hermon/Marty wanting to pin their votes on Jess at some point won’t one of them give that intel to Gino?
I think the house talk of an individual time veto was just Moose spreading Mooseishly.
It really sounds like the season 7 box comp.
Marty has / had a secret final 2 with Summer in week one and two. It’s not a major thing, but each tries to play on it when they have to. Marty spilling as only Marty can is what had Summer saying the women couldn’t trust Haleena in the Mandems.
Both Marty and Jess went to Summer asking if she’d be hg choice. They thought if they couldn’t beat her, they’d at least get her to throw or use it because she’s vocalized she’d use it as long as the right renom were named.
Marty tried with some of the usual suspects. Most of them said they have to keep their relationship a secret with Marty, so it wouldn’t be good. Multiple people told him not to pick Josh, because he’s already a target for coming in second so many times.
Kevin especially wanted NOTHING to do with being someone’s choice for Veto.
Scratch T taking down Jess if she wins – she waffled big time when Jess asked her. They were alone in the bedroom & T told her “they need to gun for POV” then says I will too b/c I might be a re-nom.
Jess then asks if she’ll take her down if she wins & T says “I don’t know if I can take that chance right now”
Convos like this are why I want Jess to win POV & follow it up with HOH so when the people come into her HOH to talk to her about not putting them up she can ask well what do you have to offer? And then when they spout bullshit she can say but wait you weren’t willing to save me last week if you won POV so why should I believe you now?
I’m not sure I’ve ever heard Tynesha say anything declarative without waffling an hour later. It’s almost like she is afraid of anyone actually holding her to account for an opinion or stance in the game.
Maybe i’ve got a bad read on her, but I think she will always hedge.
Saturday
Pre veto
I’ve been out most of the day.
People that knew Tynesha had renom potential: Kyle, Jace. Poooossibly Moose.
I’m getting the feeling the stablization shift in the house is trying to build it’s foundation on the elimination of ‘floaters’
This year’s definition of floater in the house? Debatable.
I contend that floater is actually being used in place of ‘not a cool kid’ not a comp specialist or coaster by the Bros. Nobody is actually coasting though. Closest to coasting is Moose and Betty.
I mean, if they were after ACTUAL floaters, everyone would be targeting Hermon.
So if the veto is used, expect the renom to be Kevin or Betty or Haleena.
It fits with Gino’s get the weaklings out philosophy night one of feeds. I hold on to that statement and come back to it for a reason: it’s a mission statement that tells us how Gino views the game.
Hermon is facing some exposure for sucking up to Gino so visibly this week. The reveal of the ‘village voice” men’s group has pushed that a bit.
Kevin is also facing some exposure. Gino / Hermon think he’s playing weeks ahead.
To Hermon the new 7 means crap… Betty and Haleena are not his concern, he only cares about the savage members. Remember, he only suggested them for being POC and being extra votes they control.
Tynesha thinks she has potential to be the renom. That’s yesterday’s target.
Hermon has been pushing floater to Gino.
Jace has been pushing Betty (as per her instructions from Kyle yesterday). Gino, he has no interest in anything Kyle or Jace say. They aren’t as cool as he thought, the house doesn’t like them anymore, so he’s ambivalent about them.
Summer has told Kevin the Rebel Rejects can’t exist because Hermon doesn’t like Kevin.
Kevin already knew. He suggested maybe he Summer and Tynesha could do something without Hermon. Not sure that will fly. Summer is low key trying to get Kevin to be the renom so they can keep both Jess and Marty.
Marty has revealed to Gino that Gino, Jace and Kyle are his targets. Gino says he’s just being emotional right now. For his part, Marty is quite correct that Hermon did the same things that Marty did, so why is Hermon getting off the hook? In his head this sort of cements the idea that Marty was correct (ie / Kevin was correct) about the boys targeting Marty. Reality? It’s because Marty’s vote was taken personally by Gino. He knew Hermon had issues with Kyle. There is the chance, due to feed outage, that Marty has revealed to Gino that he has to act like he’s after Gino so get votes. It’s quite possible in the world of Marty says too much.
Jess is trying to fight to stay. The house? I’m not sure the house cares. Every time she makes a little ground, it goes away. I’m still quite disappointed in Josh over his betrayal, but not surprised.
Haleena has spoken to Marty about the Kyle lies to Josh yesterday (Josh has asked her about them), and reveals that Hermon is the big rat of the game. Marty reveals that Gino may renom Haleena or Kevin. How does Marty know Gino’s switched to floaters gotta go? Again, that feed outage during Marty / Gino is leading me to have thoughts.
Marty says he won’t flip again…. maybe down the road but… (so he’ll flip if he stays).
Hermon has clocked that Marty might be playing up Gino as a target for votes as well. hmm.
WARNING: TODAY’S VETO IS INDIVIDUALLY TIMED AND PLAYED WITH PARTNERS.
EXPECT A LONG OUTAGE.
Picked to play in veto: Jess, Marty, Summer, Haleena, Tynesha.
Pairs have been chosen: The audience for veto will be Gino and Josh. Host? Betty
Running joke to the bros is how Haleena will perform in veto. Sneaking suspicion if veto is used, Betty or Haleena are the choices. Hermon would push Haleena i think.
Kevin is paired with Jess. Here comes the d/r about evil kevin tanking Jess in veto.
I initially thought the same thing (that Kevin would hurt Jess in POV) BUT — he had to consider if Marty came down he’d be a re-nom potential so I’m not sure he did sabotage her.
Logic Incongruities EVERYONE is missing.
This would red flag for me…. red flag with an air horn and a neon arrow.
Hermon has said to both groups (the bros, and the seven)
That he is only hanging with the others to gather information and steer them.
Okay.
How many times has he given them a head’s up on what the other group is doing?
Once. And that was to get the POC to band together against Kyle.
Other than that, making himself the leader of a group again…. nothing.
I’d be saying that doesn’t look like spying, that looks like saving your ass at my expense.
But hey… In with a group of seven, not meeting with them, and spending his week as a tapeworm in every HOH while giving no intel… why question that at alllllllll?
How is this not a thing? It’s glaringly visible.
Summer seems to have Gino’s ear – she’s told the people she’s closest to that she doesn’t trust Hermon so did she also tell Gino?
I think Gino is only playing along with Hermon (or doing what TPTB tell him). ‘
Late night pillow talk had Jace telling Gino she doesn’t exactly trust Kyle & the entire house wants him out – that he HURT their games b/c he’s associated with him.
Prior to bedtime Jace & Gino both talked to Josh separately and both like him. Gino also took him to Wendy’s – there is a plot opening here for Gino to replace Kyle with Josh and the events of the day seem to be leaning in that direction with Gino telling Jace, Marty & Josh he’s going to put up Kyle – tell him 20 minutes prior to noms.
He’s also told Jess he has a plan and they can talk after POV – and Josh told Jess to relax implying he knows who is going up & that it’ll be okay.
Sooooooooooo if Gino goes through with this I think his view is it’ll put him in good stead with the rest of the house b/c he has close ties to Hermon, Moose, & Summer — but (and this is a guess) I can also see him pulling Kev/Jess/Haleena/Betty all in separately to ensure he is safe with them.
Gino has wanted to work with Marty (and Josh really likes Marty) so if he puts up Kyle he wins both of their loyalties to him. He knows the Summer/T/Hermon triangle is a thing but only T would put him up and would put him beside Jace so he would stay over her b/c of all the bonds he forged this week while Jace did nothing to build any bonds elsewhere (other than with Josh).
Marty is all over the place but did want to work with Gino (more so than Kyle) so a new group of Gino/Jace/Josh/Marty/Jess (Kev/Haleena??) could be in the works which would then have the numbers vs. Moose/Hermon/Summer/T & Betty switching back and forth but tight with Josh & the Mandams.
We’ll see b/c Gino originally didn’t want to backstab Kyle but he’s learned this week that Kyle staying puts him in the direct line of fire & all it would take is Kyle winning POV and he’d be a goner.
Will TPTB go along with this OR will they shut down feeds & tell Gino no you can’t do that.
As for production I wonder if they want Josh to win b/c there has been a push to have an Indigenous winner.
Episode one. first shown alliance: Honey bunch. Summer, Gino, Josh, Jace.
Episode two. big group alliance reveal: Savage 7. Hermon, Gino, Kyle, Josh, Moose, Summer and Tynesha.
Don’t remember if anyone had a d/r saying I’m going to win in episode 1/2.
Nobody that was not essential to storyline seemed to have too much d/r time ep. 1-2.
No pair said I got ur back you and me to the end that I recall.
If that helps you with where my brain is focusing to see what production does.
The house seems convinced that Kyle’s lack of consideration when bb says stop that is why they are on slop. Just saying. They told him to stop talking about production when he began discussing speaking to the bb therapist. He said no, I’m gonna share and kept talking. feed cut. Just an example.
Wow.
Just rabbitholed on twitter.
Don’t.
The creepycancel side of the fanbase….
Revisionist history 1: The Kyle Controversy:
Cheered that Summer earwormed Kyle to target Steph.
Were 100 on Moose being a target for naming Hermon and Tynesha. Then immediately given a pass and sympathy when he was nominated.
Laughed at Kyle’s stupidity for listening to Marty and targeted Josh because it saved Betty.
So admitted and admired last week that Kyle was manipulated.
Not anymore.
Worst HOH in all of bbcan history, but remember how it happened. Is he accountable for having the worst HOH in bbcan history? OH yeah. 100 percent yeah.
Just the revisionist parts are making me say stop, scroll back, remember the cheers for people manipulating him before jumping on the revision train. He was gullible and manipulated. That’s what MAKES it the worst HOH is bbcan History. When he says now he thinks he was manipulated, instead of realization of gullibility, it’s called lack of taking account because it fits the creepy narrative.
Revisionist history 2: The Haleena chronicles.
Daily the creepies jump from side to side on her.
She knows Hermon initially was going to put her on the block. She was on his short list.
She knows Hermon was one of the final four men’s group when she was offered 5th place.
She knows Hermon is the lead voice of the new large alliance.
She sees that as him being a snake.
He knows she was attempting to play all sides.
He knows she was offered a final 5. He exposed that.
He knows she doesn’t trust him.
You can’t applaud Hermon running the whole house and playing everyone while at the same time saying Haleena is disloyal to the cause for knowing Hermon is running the whole house and playing everyone. I mean, both are naming each other as someone that is trying to be middle. Both are willing to work with non POC if it keeps them in the game.
But Hermon is given a pass by the fanbase. She gets cancelled and uncancelled constantly. I don’t get it.
I see what is happening. I see why socially. I understand why.
I still think EVERYONE has to be weighed by the same scale.
Haleena is trying to play a rat game. Hermon is trying to play a rat game. Each are aware of the other. That’s the fact.
Still back and forth on the idea of sides. Name the sides. Name a side that doesn’t have names from both camps on it.
TINFOIL HATCHAT
Okay.
So here’s a conspiracy theory for you:
Why would production allow Kevin to use Production as a Strategy in order to Mindf*ck Marty into flipping on his own boys? It’s not usually allowed.
If you are noticing some of the editing choices and camtalking incongruities…
Perhaps BECAUSE it saves Hermon from being exposed.
Hermon admits today that Marty flipping saved his ass, because otherwise Gino would have shot at Hermon for disloyalty over Marty (he was closer to Marty personally).
Sideye: Why not?
Saturday
feeds have been down about 5 hours and change… or 19,500 seconds so far.
I was expecting the mental conversion to seconds to make feeds come back.
However, if they are doing a pairs comp individual time…. damn that could take a while with resets and reaction shots. Season 5-9 had REALLY REALLY LONG feed cuts for veto. Sometimes up to 9 hours. Let’s pace… though I don’t expect it to take that long. I do expect the last person to go to be really disadvantaged if they’ve been sitting in a room for hours. Season 9 was notorious for the last person doing the veto hours after the first person…. and usually results were first person wiped the floor with the last in times.
VETO RESULTS
Marty won Veto.
Veto involved pushing boxes. temptations and ribbons involved? It was season 7’s conveyor belt comp.
The comp Anthony was mad wasn’t thrown to him.
Summer was out first. Haleena out second. Marty won after comp intermission at the hour and a half mark (Yes, endurance type comps get intermissions in BBCAN).
POST VETO DISCUSSION
Jace and Gino discuss the vote will reveal if Hermon is really on their side.
They discuss Marty and Kevin can vote for Jess to stay, it will make Hermon show his cards. I’m not sure if they are talking about Tynesha to make Hermon show his cards? Since Hermon wants Betty and Haleena and Kevin out, no card showing with those. Hmmm. Jace is leading this talk. I wonder if Gino is even listening? Sneaking suspicion that it might be back to Tynesha? No clue yet.
Haleena is pushing Marty to suggest Hermon as renom. She heard someone say Kevin might be renom, she’s trying to save Kevin and herself I think. She is wanting both Marty and Jess to suggest Hermon as renom.
Hermon and Summer discuss Tynesha getting choked up possibly took a prize. Summer assumes Kevin is the renom, and Haleena was worried, but Haleena didn’t technically lie to Gino. She assumes Hermon wants Jess to go. Hermon says depends on the renom (He knows he needs to be careful this week or he loses Gino). Hermon would like to push Kevin as renom for admitting he lied to Gino and Kyle for 2 days.
Will Moose go forward with his plan to push Kyle as the renom? That would be a hoot.
Never happen. But a hoot. Betty tells Moose Gino never puts up Kyle.
Summer took a letter from home in the comp. BB has already taken it back.
Jace is telling Marty to sneak into HOH to talk to Gino now while he’s in the shower. Marty goes… and Gino isn’t even there. Jace tells Marty she doesn’t know who renom will be.
Marty tells Jace he does like Gino, and a lot of people are coming for Kyle. He doesn’t want to be in a bunch of alliances, and he doesn’t want anything to do with Kyle.
Marty has commented a couple of times about how what Hermon did was just as bad or worse, because he was playing both sides since day one. Yup, Marty is going to push Hermon to Gino.
Josh doesn’t hold Jace or Gino responsible for Kyle’s HOH week he tells Jace. Jace is trying to get Josh to go for a secret alliance with Gino and Jace. as long as she doesn’t mention Kyle…. would he? Kyle’s been running his mouth and he’s pissing Josh off.
Jess believes Gino is going to put Josh on the block to make sure an LGBT+ goes home.
Kevin believes the misfits should have pulled together week one, because they’re gonna get creamed by the Bros.
Gino wants to talk to Hermon in the morning.
Marty / Gino talk. one million f bombs an hour. Basics: I won’t work with Kyle.
He says he will rebuild with Jace and Gino. (after Gino leaves he says to cams that it’s just game).
Tynesha is telling Moose she is worried about being renom. Moose says she’d have numbers.
Jace is telling Gino that every conversation she has includes someone saying Kyle is running his mouth, and at this point she’s pissed with him too.
Gino is considering distancing himself from Kyle secretly, because guilt by association is killing Gino’s game too. For a second Gino thought Jace was suggesting Kyle as renom, said he can’t do that. No, they’re going to distance because Kyle is running his mouth and pissing EVERYONE off and they are getting the blowback.
Reminders:
Kevin thinks Tynesha is running the house. (old gripe he thught she was income targeting).
Haleena thinks Hermon is running the house. (she’s right and hated for seeing it on twitter).
Kyle thinks Betty and Tynesha and Summer are running the house. (he’s bigger than them)
Moose thinks Moose is running the house?
Betty thinks running is bad for your joints.
Jess thinks they are going home regardless because the patriarchy sucks.
Predictions:
Hermon tries to push Kevin.
Kevin tries to push T or Hermon?
Jace tries to push T or Betty.
Marty tries to push Hermon.
Betty tries to Pull on a push door.
Summer tries to flirt Gino into a Kevin nom.
I feel bad for Jess but it seems they are going to go no matter who is the replacement nomination. And let’s be real Gino is probably going to pick a pawn to ensure it not make a big move and backdoor someone like Hermon/Moose/Kyle.
Gino needed to count. He says he trusts Marty and Jace. He says he thinks Haleena is on his side. He had Kyle’s vote. He says he thinks he had Josh’s vote. If one declines, Betty swore her vote to Gino. That’s five on a week where it takes 5 votes to tie.
Gino with that in his mind could have targeted anyone. He didn’t do his own math.
Sunday
Slow start today. Weird air pressure shifts throughout the night. Sorry about that.
Catch Up
Gino is doing post veto one on ones.
Gino/Hermon: Hermon says nobody is saying Gino’s name at all. Hermon says the house wants Kyle’s head. Gino knows that means he’d be on the block next to Kyle. Hermon says the low hanging fruit (uncool people) might be targeting Gino but none of the cool kidz are. Hermon brings up Kevin to test the waters. Gino says he had a good long talk with Kevin. Hermon says nobody is saying Gino’s name. Gino says Hermon is nowhere near his radar. Hermon AGAIN pushes floater.
Gino says one of his plans… he doesn’t care who goes home. The other plan, he thinks he has the numbers and would want his target gone. Hermon says he was a little nervous last night. Gino says he is going to have to talk to Marty (set up to hide he and Marty have already talked once). Hermon talks about how mad Marty was about the speech.
Hermon offers to “help” Gino determine a renom. Gino says he’ll make his decision today or tomorrow, he has a pretty good idea on the house dynamic from his questions (… yeah, beach or snow will tell you everything…. joking). Aaaany-one else think Hermon was becoming visibly nervous? Just me? He was. Gino assigns Hermon with finding out if anyone in the house is saying his name.
Rest of house:
Josh lost a game to Gino, and has to make him breakfast all week as a result.
Kyle and Marty are in expedia talking it seems. no audio on that but it’s noted. We’ll be hearing about that later.
Gino / Moose
Anyone said my name? No, nobody would dare, you’re HOH. Gino says Betty has been on the block ‘so many times’ (ONCE) that she’s an easy option. Says there are a few snakes floating in the middle. Moose says everyone is talking about Kyle, not Gino.
Gino says it doesn’t totally suck if Jess goes. Moose says he doesn’t care either. Both say they don’t have a problem with Jess personally, but socially in the house (Jess isn’t one of the cool kidz). Moose suggests a pawn. Moose is pushing Gino away from the big move option, saying get rid of an OG nom. (ed. by comparison, Hermon was bolder, but Moose is being more finesse). Anyone next to Jess stays is the basic drop.
MEANWHILE
Marty / Kyle
Kyle says the house turning on his HOH made him look stupid. He says it sounds like Marty is saying he doesn’t want to work with him.
Marty says that’s exactly what I just said.
Marty says he isn’t backstabbing his new peeps, if that costs him the game, so be it.
Kyle says Marty is being used, he’s just a weapon.
Marty says Gino was hurt by Marty’s vote, Marty was hurt by Gino’s speech (Gino told him to play this up).
Basics: Marty is trying to preserve his image.
Kyle says he isn’t after Marty. Kyle says the cookout thing is bullshit. Kyle says Jace / Gino/ Kyle isn’t a SIDE… it’s three people (well that’s true they aren’t a side….) Kyle says he trusted Marty implicitly during Marty’s HOH, so he just figured Marty would trust Kyle too.
Hermon / Moose
note comparison. Moose wants Hermon/Moose/ Summer/ Tynesha / Gino to gang up and destroy the house. Hermon says what about Jace? Crickets.
Summer / Gino
Summer tells Gino Kyle is a bad look and will get him on the what not to wear list basically.
Stay with Kyle, Gino or Jace is a pawn 100%. Summer says 6 people have mentioned a combo of Kyle with Jace or Gino on the block next week.
Summer says without Kyle in the house, Jess stays, and there is no need to open a pawn shop. Gino says he actually likes Josh, and wants to get back in with him. Mentions the possibility of bringing back the HONEYBUNCH (night one lost alliance). Basically Summer is saying the HONEYBUNCH non aggression pact depends on what Gino does for renom.
Anyone else says this to Gino they are toast. Summer gets latitude. I say this because he’s the HOH and she’s dictating terms.
ELSEWHERE
Kevin is talking to Tynesha. Tynesha wishes Kyle was an option. Kevin says nobody is dumb enough to push that. He says Moose or Hermon could get away with it… but they are good with Kyle too. T thinks she has a close relationship with Gino. Tynesha is asking if Kevin is honest about a final 3 with Summer and T. Kevin pulls a hold your horses, we’re still in week 4 don’t jump to the finale. T says top 5? Kevin says cool. T mentions Josh could be the muscle. T asks if Kevin isn’t renom will he vote Jess out? Kevin says depends on the renom. Tynesha is under the impression that she and Hermon are pawns against someone like Jess. Kevin is trying not to laugh. He asks her, you think you and Hermon are pawn material? Tynesha says yes.
Marty is relaying his Kyle hate to everyone. First Jess, then Summer.
End Part One Sunday Catch Up
(Remember, Sunday is never canon in storyline until Monday when the Storyline dept is back to work).
Sunday Part 2
Jace / Haleena
Jace is pushing the rebuild friendship, never dissed Haleena angle. Haleena is Whoopi Goldberg Ghost ‘girl ur in trouble.’ They are agreeing to a working relationship. Jace wants a final 2 with Haleena. They discuss the three headed dragon running the house (mythological) of Summer Tynesha and Betty. Haleena is saying Tynesha is dangerous, but so is Hermon, he’s been slandering Gino and Jace, she’s been in the room while he’s done it. Haleena is going the get Hermon route? Jace is saying the votes aren’t there to get Tynesha or Hermon this week. They’re next week material.
Meanwhile, Gino has told Kevin he’s safe.
Gino / Haleena
Given the talk with Jace… expect ratfloat to ratfloat HUGE!!!! Paying attention to this for that reason
Haleena asks if she’s an option for renom. (aside the veto came down to Marty and Jess).
Haleena tells Gino that his people should have told him about the vote flip, why not?
Haleena says she and Gino are similar in that closeness to family means they crave being surrounded by people they trust, and in this game, that can be a disadvantage because of snakes.
Haleena says she doesn’t want to rat (OH HONEY…. wtf????) but to build trust…
Gino ur boys ain’t ur boys, they flipped on you like flapjacks. They slander you behind your back.
Hey Hermon… is that a bus coming???? 11:15 from Albuquerque right on time.
Hermon was telling her he was going to blame his vote on Kevin or Jess. Hermon pushed that Gino and Kyle weren’t going to have Haleena’s back, she had to flip. She says the 9-2 vote surprised everyone, and Hermon was flipping out that he couldn’t hide his vote. She says Hermon is playing boh sides HUGE. Says Hermon kept saying she was the swing vote, and had to do it, or the house would come for her.
She says she voted to keep Josh because she likes him, Steph wouldn’t even speak to her, and she never once told Kyle that she would vote his way. She was very disturbed by how Kyle was in his HOH, it was unnecessary and messy.
Gino says there’s another leader, a female, do you know anything?
Haleena smiles like I’ve already given you a shit ton of info. Gino promises he won’t rat out her ratting (in a nicer way). I think Gino is okay with rats when the rats are giving him the cheese. The target Hermon isn’t going to work
Gino wishes Haleena had ratted to him sooner. Gino asks would Hermon do him dirty? Haleena says he tells the other side he would, but she doesn’t know if he actually would.
On the subject of Tynesha, she isn’t hardselling. She does say Summer is not one of the leaders. She says the three is Hermon/ T/ ?. She’s implying Moose, Gino will think Betty?
Gino wishes Haleena had given him this info on Friday. Haleena says but she really doesn’t want Gino to see her as a rat. Gino says the rest of them are rats and snakes, so he would have been okay with it. Haleena says making a move on the Heads of the 3 headed monster won’t work, the numbers don’t work. Gino agrees, he would have had to go with putting 2 of them up and renomming the 3rd (plan one in his original plan).
Haleena pledges support of Gino in his plan for later to get the 3 headed monster.
Haleena says she is here to win, she isn’t a floater, she’s never been in the middle.
(PUHLEASE, SHE FLOATS LIKE A HELIUM BALLOON)
Gino names the 3 headed snake (Hermon/ Tall woman / Moose). He says Summer is in there somewhere. Haleena says Summer has never once pushed anything ratty, especially about Gino. He asks if Haleena will support if he makes a different big move? Haleena says yes.
If Kyle and Gino went on the block, Gino has Haleena 1000% because Kyle is her target, he’s EVERYONE’S target. She says going after Kyle would be stupid for Gino because he’s doing the House’s dirty work. Gino says he fears being the pawn next to Kyle and Kyle wins veto. That means buhbye Gino.
He says if he’d known the truth, he would have put up Ty/ Moose/ Herm.
PIVOT
Gino says so he can’t get one of the heads because they have the numbers right now.
Maybe Kyle IS the way to go.
Need caffeine. Still more ONE on ONES …. I’ll be back in a bit.
SUNDAY 3… Kyle is becoming an option???
The Betty and Summer talks egged by Haleena agreeing with Gino when plan get Hermon wasn’t snagging, and Marty hating Kyle have made Kyle a possible nom.
Gino/Marty
Okay. Bear with me. I’ve mentioned my French is poor. I understand nouns, I have problems with verb tenses and dialects emphasize that problem.
Kyle talk. Haleena told Marty to be careful of Josh, not that Josh was targeting him, Kyle made that up and ran with it. Marty feels good with Josh because his people respect the elderly (i am intentionally being a butthead there… because that’s how it sounds coming out of Marty’s mouth). Kyle as renom is brought up. Marty says Kyle would be his target, but it is a good move for Gino’s game.
(ed. I’m cringe on this. Sure it saves Gino from pawn seating, but it’s not a move good for Gino given house numbers For some reason I expect Jess to have the same view on the logic side of this).
Talk turns to a new alliance / working relationship that includes Josh/Jace/Gino/Marty with extension to Haleena, Kevin and Jess… and maybe some safety for Summer???
Gino / Josh
Gino and Jace really like Josh and want to work with him. Marty likes Josh too. What does Josh think of this because Hermon / Moose/ Tynesha are running the other side and going to pick everyone off.
Gino tells Josh that there is a 90% chance that Kyle is the renom.
Josh is flabbergasted. He wants Kyle out too.
Gino tells Josh about the intel he has gathered (Haleena rat droppings without naming her).
Summer is good with reactivating Honeybunch if Kyle is out of the picture Gino says.
Josh is agreeing in principle to a working relationship with Gino, Jace and Marty.
Josh told Gino some of the people in the house are really being snakes.
Gino knows.
Josh agrees with the Hermon/Tynesha/Moose triangle. Says Moose did something today that really made him question.
Josh says after their Wendy’s talk, he thinks Gino and Josh are really similar in life and game outlook.
(ed. Josh will now play middle between factions and not try to win HOH if he knows what is best for him. He is now solid with EVERYONE).
THE HOUSE IS ON SLOP AND COLD SHOWERS AS PUNISHMENT
Jace cries. Hates slop. Gino says cold showers will kill his buzz.
Tynesha and Kyle agree they did this to themselves.
Gino / Jace
Jace is good with axeing Kyle. the woman is 100% on targeting her allies. Steph… never cared. What’s a Kyle???
Jace is good with Gino’s plan to make the house think they are caving to house pressure, while secretly building an army against the evil 3 headed snake.
Gino says doing the Kyle back door makes Summer feel like she’s got power because it’s something she suggested. That’s good for them to have Summer.
Jess / Marty
Marty doubts Gino touches Kyle. Jess does too, it would be stupid to target someone on your side that wouldn’t put you on the block. Marty thinks renom will be either Kevin/ Haleena or Betty. Of those options, Jess would hope Betty is the renom, because she only gets close to someone on the block if she thinks she can get something out of them.
Jess thanks Marty for still sitting and talking with them. Nobody else is doing that anymore, and they aren’t sure if it’s the block stigma, or just because everyone dislikes them.
Gino / Betty
Betty is safe. Betty will not come after Gino.
Summary
Okay. Catch up has been a LOT.
I think the move of getting rid of Kyle is actually stupid for Gino’s game.
He is doing exactly what Marty did last week. Like the house isn’t going to turn and think “That Gino says he values loyalty and backstabs his closest bro???” Naaah, can’t trust that. Wait and see.
Anyone else wondering if Kyle is going to get tip off leading questions in D/R?
He’s been called to D/R more than once this afternoon.
Josh is telling Jess to remain calm, like he knows something (pretty sure Jess picked up that Josh has inside information). Jess has campaigned to Kyle already. Jess hopes Hermon or Moose is the other candidate.
Something that would raise my radar:
Everyone acknowledges and says that Summer has eyes and ears everywhere in the house.
Everyone is fine with that. I would think someone with everyone that has minions is a huge target that has to go immediately. Just me?
SIDE NOTES
is this TMI?
Introverts don’t like spotlights but…
What does Hermon do?
How do you solve a problem like Tynesha?
ANYONE CELEBRATING A KYLVICTION… SLOW YOUR ROLL. THAT WAS BAD.
I’ve shut down my feeds early for the night.
Round Up of where the game stands:
At this moment Renom is 90% Kyle, 10% Tynesha.
Alliance building:
Gino is thinking Marty/Josh/Jace/Gino. with Haleena as satellite.
Jace is thinking Jess/Josh/Jace/Gino (with Marty and Haleena on the satellite list) *she thinks they are all J names nobody tell her.
Kevin is thinking Kevin/ Haleena / Betty / Josh.
Kevin tried with Summer Tynesha. Doesn’t think it’ll work because of the relationship they have with Hermon / Moose.
Betty… she’s thinking of who she’d nom if she was HOH. Men and Jace is the answer.
Summer has already revealed she put Kyle’s name in Gino’s ear. Kyle renom possibility is floating around the house. So a lot of the house seems to be thinking Kyle? Believe it when we see it, but if it happens Yippee!
Josh is firmly staying in the middle, only letting little bits of info out. Nobody has his full trust on anything thus far.
Jess is in the dark for renom sitting next to her. She hopes it is Hermon or Moose so she has a fighting chance *she miiiiight get 5 votes there, but the house doesn’t realize it. It draws a huge line everyone is afraid of drawing.
Kyle has hypergamesquirrelled to Gino tonight. Trying to push Gino to put up one of his noms from last week (Moose). He thinks they have numbers for Moose. Gino reminds him Kyle thought he had numbers last week. Kyle says no matter what he and Gino are in the same boat, they will hit the block together because Kyle was played last week and Gino is in a showmance. Gino is saying the lie he told Josh and Marty and Jace he’d say… Betty is the renom.
There isn’t a good slop chef among them. Even the vegetarians and vegans are morons about how to prepare slop. Never just put salsa on top of slop. It’s very green this season.
Thus far nobody is very creative or smart about it.
Jace cries, Josh gags, Haleena grimaces. Kevin licks the spoon clean.
3 cups a day per person is what is required to maintain weight.
A few of them are already getting slop brain 8 hours in.
Happy Sunday night everyone. I’m a wee bit tired, so good night.
Thanks again. I love reading your comments.
Monday Veto Ceremony
Last night, apparently Kyle attempted to game talk. He wanted to see if the numbers were there to get Moose on the block today.
He went to Josh. He tried to clear up the misquote that has Marty so pissed. So he told Josh that Haleena never said Josh was targeting Marty in week two, she said Marty needed to be careful. Haleena had just walked in the room a moment before as Kyle was trying to shift the narrative of last week to poor Kyle.
Josh talked to Jess (deflected being close to Jess) and Haleena (didn’t believe Kyle he says).
This morning, Gino went to Hermon asking for his support in a big move. Didn’t name names. Hermon looks nervous to me. Gino and summer talked about the Honeybunch watching each other’s backs, mostly because of the danger of the three headed monster (Summer deflected the danger of Hermon). Summer further deflects by telling Gino who Betty and Tynesha will target (she does this. She throws her allies under the bus to Gino). I think Summer was trying to push Gino to include Hermon and Tynesha in the Honeybunch as an alliance (Gino, time to buy a clue where Summer’s loyalty lies… ).
Kyle has been in d/r for a reallllllly long time.
Gino pulled Jess aside and said Kyle was renom.
Gino pulled Kyle and said Kyle you’re renom because of last week.
Kyle: It couldn’t have been that bad.
Blink. Blink.
Gino says it’s not the cool kidz that are so mad… it’s those damn floaters.
Check the vote. I’d say everyone was prrreeeeetty mad.
Veto Ceremony Results
KYLE IS RENOM
Did Betty get up and slow clap??? Unsure.
The entire house is ecstatic. EVERYONE is smiling. It’s odd.
Hermon was shocked. I mean…. shocked. He was sure it was one of his lieutenants.
Summer has already promised her vote to Jess.
The house seems to want Kyle to realize just how bad it was last week. They want him to own his game from last week.
Marty told Gino ‘it sucks to suck’ in his campaign speech. He’s promised his vote to Jess already. (he did note that he was on the block for breaking trust with Gino, and Gino puts Kyle up… it’s the same thing wtf?)
Hermon is pleased that his people didn’t take a hit, now he just has to win HOH.
Monday 2
Kyle campaigns to Hermon. Kyle can be a free agent. Jess wanted Hermon or Moose on the block with them. Kyle wants 6 people out before Hermon. (There’s 12 other people there).
Kyle campaigns to Jace: he can be a shield for the showmance. Starts with a trick deadpan ‘f*ck you to her.’ He’s yet to learn the deadpan shit pisses people off when he starts with it. You build into deadpan, you don’t open with it… amateur. He says he’s a weapon for them, Jess is too stupid to be their weapon.
Phone rings.
It’s a fake fan calling in saying he found the number to the house.
Expect this to happen a lot for the next 24 hours.
Josh jumped the couches like hurdles to answer that phone. in Josh brain? NO save for you Kyle.
Everyone is waiting on couches for the next call.
NOOOOOBODY is leaving those couches while Kyle is sitting there.
Fear of a twist? Some of them are certainly thinking.
Phone rings.
Prank call. Jace answers. do you have a john? how do you go to the bathroom?
Phone rings
Prank call. Moose answers. What do you call a sleeping dinosaur? a dinosnore.
Phone rings.
Prank call. Kevin answers. what do you call a tree that fits in your hand. Kevin says a palm tree.
Note: People seem to be pulling flank seating to make sure Kyle and now Jace don’t get the phone. Personal Note? My ass would be blocking that door so they had to either get through me or let me choose who answers. Just saying.
Monday 3
Haleena found something in pantry. pink, sounds like there’s metal…. fuzzy handcuffs???
Tells Kevin.
Betty answered a call. must be silent for 24 hours?? Later revealed one hour. Accomplished.
Everyone thinks she gets a power or reward if she stays quiet?
Tynesha answered the call saying Betty had completed her task.
Haleena task: make more slop. Moose helps. She has to either eat a small bucket of slop or get everyone to eat some of it. Informercial selling the greatness of slop.
Jess gets how does a dinosaur decorate a bathroom? with rep-tiles.
Tynesha offended it was her turn when Jess answered.
Summer has to handcuff herself to Gino (so… it was pink fuzzy handcuffs).
BBTwitter: See even the show knows Summer and Gino belong together. Me: Summer is a little to happy to throw that in Jace’s face, and Summer plans to throw HOH until week 6… Jace isn’t throwing I don’t think. Maybe don’t throw it in the jealous girl’s face there Summer. Just sayin.
So… filler? They get off slop as a reward by the end of this? That’s my thought.
If someone actually gets a power I’ll be back.
MONDAY EPISODE Almost forgot it was on at 7. or that it was on tonight.
Blindside recap.
The idea of calling everyone not Kyle and Gino underdogs confuses me. Just me?
Josh d/r shocked.
Kevin d/r loving the chaos.
Gino d/r feels betrayed.
Kyle d/r stunned. gonna look like an idiot. He feels betrayed.
Hermon d/r doesn’t match his actual. he was upset 9-2 because he couldn’t hide vote.
Jace d/r confused.
TV clip: fight between Jace Kyle. Go check your boys. Her fear of being played by the boys is front and centre. Kyle blamed Gino for one of the votes.
Hermon pulls Gino. owns his vote, he doesn’t work for Kyle.
Summer Jace: gotta pick the right sides. Jace believes Gino snaked her.
Kyle confused. Hermon says Kyle got powerdrunk
Kyle realizes he isn’t king of the castle. d/r tears.
(Commercial note: Last i saw on feeds, Kyle’s campaign is to tell each person Jess has named them as a target).
Gino has studied that board for hours.
Nobody, including Jace wanted him to win.
Marty d/r pissed he’s going to look stupid, and will be a nom.
Josh says house is messier. Jess thinks she’s a nom. They are trying for the Kyle nom.
Hermon schmooze. Hermon putting heat on Marty to take heat off himself. Learns Jace was upset no one told her about flip.
Kyle has an axe to grind. Marty talked Kyle into nomming Josh.
Marty betrayal.
Gino happy he still has a blow up doll…. and Jace too.
HOH Reveal. snore.
Pizza and booze. Bonding after the blindside to get the shift in dynamic back to script.
Gino in the ugly green socks. His one on ones arleady listed above.
Summer suggesting Kyle.
Kevin becomes Andrew. Tries to entertain.
Jess tries to negotiate. Tynesha goes nervous and emotion.
(Commercial note: Anyone else think Tynesha gets credit as a leader JUST because they are afraid to say Summer? I mean, they KNOW Summer is more a head than Tynesha it’s 100% obvious).
Wendy’s with Josh. NO WAY GINO KNOWS WHO SARAH HANLON IS….mind you… she doesn’t look like her anymore. At All. But he wouldn’t know her anyway.
Gino and Josh bond a little.
Kevin and Betty moment. Kevin is a fungus on Betty.
Marty can’t look Gino in the eyes. Kevin trying to keep Marty calm. Gino reveals Marty has to be a nom.
(Commercial note: I still don’t 100% trust this whole Kyle is gone thing. Even some Socials are saying keep Kyle because Jess is after Hermon and Kyle is easily manipulated…. bbcan gonna bbcan).
Tynesha is worried she’s a nom section. Gino thinks Hermon is still playable (BROBRAINING).
GINO DISCUSSES POTENTIAL NOMS
Marty with T maybe… Jess maybe. Jess is able to manipulate. Gino has no target. Jace talks Gino out of Tynesha for messy factor. Kyle thought it was Marty Tynesha at this point.
NOMINATIONS
Remember, Gino told both nominees in advance to avoid pulling a Kyle.
Gino needs to build relationships. IF you mess around behind his back you get burned… unless you are Hermon. No, seriously. At this point that’s how it goes.
Marty / Jess
Marty disrespect, backstab
Jess smart, no game relationship.
Marty d/r speech unnecessary.
Jess d/r I’m gonna have to win veto.
Hello ‘another name’
I was wondering why there haven’t been any posts for a long time and then noticed the number of comments. I scanned through quickly because there is so much content. Is this how comments will be posted going forward or are you covering off? Apologies if this was addressed in the 147 comments. P.S. you are doing an amazing job. I love how you organize your posts
I’d also like to know what’s up with no new posts. My eyes are bleeding trying to make sense of comments and what’s current. Yes, I’m exaggerating. Appreciate this site and the work involved, but whyyyy is this the thread that never ends?
I’ve created a new post on the site where people can comment this should help.
Sorry everyone but I have to take a step back from OBB for the first 1/3 of this year. I have just been reading the comments to keep up to date 🙂
It would be great if we could have the ability to personally block posters like other sites. Some are just plugging up the chat to the point its exhausting to try and read comments from others. It’s borderline spammy what a few select posters are doing.