HOH Part 1: Jackson Vs Holly Vs Nicole
Part 1 Winner: JACKSON
HOH Part 2: Holly Vs Nicole
Part 2 Winner: Holly
HOH Part 3: Jackson Vs Holly
Part 3 Winner: ?
HOH Part 2 WINNER: HOLLY
6:44pm -10:29pmBig Brother blocked the live feeds for part 2 of the 3 part HOH competition.
Holly – I thought I did it in 12 minutes. Why did they make us wait forever?! I was like is Nicole taking 40 minutes.. what the heck!? Jackson – I’m going to be sick. Holly – they made me wait for an hour after I came in. Jackson – I am literally speechless. I am without speech. Holly – that was a hard comp. Jackson – everything happens for a reason. If we saw these two on paper, I guarantee you I would have said you should have won the first one and I should win this one. And I would have bombed that! Holly – do you think?! Jackson – I never would have gotten out. I am so proud of you. I need to go talk to her because I need to cover her. They stand up. Jackson – we’re final two!!!!
Nicole in the bedroom crying. Jackson comes to give Nicole a hug. Big Brother blocks the feeds.
11:05pm The live feeds are still blocked..
11:09pm The live feeds return. Jackson – we have a 50% chance of winning half a million dollars. Holly – I know. I know. I am very aware. Jackson – you promise you’re taking me if you win? Holly – OHHHHhhhh… how the tables have turned. Jackson – no just because you said that earlier and I thought it was kind of a given and then you said that. Holly – because you guys are so close and it made me nervous. Jackson – baby! Don’t ever question that. Holly – I know. Jackson – we’re walking out Mr & Mrs Smith! We made it to final 2! Holly – has a showmance ever done that?! Jackson shakes his head no. They hug. Jackson – you had a job to do and you CRUSHED IT! Holly – that’s what I said right before I went out.
11:25pm Jackson – I am not blowing smoke, I would have lost that comp. You and I will never campaign against each other … only as the final 2 to the jury. We will never be a part of jury. Holly, you and I are both guaranteed 50 grand! 60 for me. Holly – yeah f**ker! Jackson – we are final two! ARE YOU SERIOUS! The second part was most important and you did it. The first part regardless one of us were going to win it. No offence to Nicole. Holly – the second I saw this one I was like damnit Jackson, I should have won the first one. Jackson – Holly you KILLED IT! BABY GIRL! I am so impressed! The pride I have to you is unmatched. Jackson – we never had a final two deal. Holly – I kind of don’t want to just to say we didn’t. You had a final two (Jack) and I did (Sis). You just better not win and pick her. Jackson – why are you!? This happens with my .. every single one .. they accuse me of something they are doing. Are you going to take her?! Holly – No, no, no, no, no .. and this is not a final two. They shake hands. Holly – its just scary. We are going to be standing on the scales together. Jackson – I can’t believe it. Holly – when we walk out can we walk out.. Jackson – hand in hand. Holly – regardless of which one. Jackson – yes.
11:40pm – 12am Holly – he (Cliff) said he wouldn’t. Jackson – he (Cliff) said if you’re up there he is going to vote for you because you kept your word and I stabbed him in the back. Holly – no, babe. He said he’s not going to do that. Jackson – but even then it will affect his vote. It will affect Nicole’s too. Holly – I don’t think it will. Jackson – even though we both had the intentions of doing the same thing, I was the one that did it. Holly – I really don’t think he will. Jackson – I think the last weeks will cost me half a million. Holly – I don’t think it will. You and Cliff are the same only 30 years a part. He made a point of saying he was going to vote on game. Jackson – you had a job to do and you did it! Christie is going to be like I f**king knew it! Holly – she pointed at us and said you guys are going to win. Everyone says don’t get in a showmance, it will ruin your game. Jackson – you kept me so psychologically sane. You picked me up when I couldn’t compete. You had my back. You were there for me. I don’t think I would have been able to do anything as close to win these comps if I didn’t have you by my side. And I wouldn’t have been safe the weeks that I couldn’t compete and I wouldn’t have the relationships with other people if I didn’t have you by my side. We are looking at the person that is going to win this game. Can we get a lock down?! (Oh that poor stool!) I am bursting with pride! I can’t believe I am walking out with my best friend in the house. Jackson – that’s it, its out of our hands.
1:20 am Holly and Jackson
Jackson going on about never going against Holly once, “I’m so proud of you”
They mention how Salty the jury will be “Chrisite, Tommy and Sis”
Jackson – I’m so proud of you.
Jackson going on about a showmance never making final 2 before.
2:30 am Nicole and Jakcson
Nicole says she has a nice speech perpraed if she had won it.
Jackson – I’m proud of you
3:05 am Nicole crying. Jackson goes to comfort her .
N – I’ve worked so hard. that’s what sucks. I just think of everything the whole process to get here.
4:20 am Chit chat..
N – I miss the hammock
4:30 am LIghts off.
5:30 am Zzzzzzzzzzzz
11:00am – 4:10pm ZZZzzzzzz
4:20pm – 5pm Holly makes them all breakfast for dinner. Jackson – you know what I can’t wait for .. in 4 days we can say whatever we want to each other. Holly – and everyone else has been talking and saying whatever they want for a long time. Nicole – I am not going to lie I woke up very disgusted replaying the footage from the last few and the footage of yesterday…. and I am fine again. Regardless, I know that I will be okay. Its not that my family won’t be okay.. its that my family is going to think that I am not okay… so they’re not going to be okay. Jackson – that’s how my parents are. Nicole – Especially if America is like you should have kept Tommy. You did it to yourself. I just don’t want to look stupid. Nothing against you guys.. just from a game stand point. Holly – I have that same fear people thinking that I’m an idiot for a lot of reasons. Jackson – insert me. Holly – I have fears of that same scenario with Tommy and me being the villain .. like why why f**k is she still here. Nicole – I’m worried about people being like how do you feel about losing to them two. I would be like fine, they’re good people. They head out into the backyard.
5:15pm – 6pm They talk about giving each other their phone numbers once they get out and can rip their mics off. Holly heads inside. Nicole and Jackson talk about what the final HOH questions are like regarding the jurors.
6pm Jackson tells Holly that he wants to watch the season back with her and only her. You were my person and I want to watch it back with you.
Nicole, Holly and Jackson hang out on the hammock chatting. Nicole – regardless of how this goes this week if I am the last juror I am going to walk out and Julie is going to be like how do you feel and I’m going to be like I am so mad at them. Well how do you feel? I love them. That’s what’s frustrating.. that conflicting. I f**ked something up along the way! They reminisce about past events of the season.
8:15pm Nicole and Holly play pool. Jackson tells big brother that all the lights aren’t on in the backyard. Nicole – what the hell Michie!? (They don’t want big brother to shut the backyard down to fix it.)
10pm Jackson is working out and drinking champagne.
10:35pm – 11:15pm Backyard. Jackson and Holly. Jackson – she’s already campaigned to me a couple times. Holly – oh really?! When?! Jackson – I don’t know what she said to you but she said that she will literally campaign for me to win if she is sitting next to me. Holly – what?! Jackson – which is a tough argument. Holly moves back. Jackson – I am kidding she didn’t campaign to me. Holly – stop that. You can’t do that kind of stuff now. Its not funny. Nicole joins them and they chat about past events of the season. Jackson heads inside. Holly talks to Nicole about a a friend the attempted to commit suicide.
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Goodbye cat lady. I knew Nicole would choke.
I cannot believe this! They both so much deserve to be there.
Nicole was just there for amusement (and did a poor job at that!).
Go enjoy yourselves on that stool!
You know what would be funny is if Part three was questions about the houseguests and jackson and Holly don’t know squat.
I would have mad props for Holly if she won and didn’t take Jackson MAD. She would be like Catherine the great or Tamara of Georgia of the BB community. That would up her resume and I think Christie and many others would vote for her. That would be amazing!!!! Her speech.. I used Jacksons talents for MY game and then I took him OUT. I just dont think it will happen!!!
I love Nicole but if Holly did that it would be super hard for me not to vote for her.
So is Nicole just going to stay in the house and cry until Wednesday?
This just in…….I spoke to Houka and he has guaranteed a Nicole victory and Christie winning America’s Favorite Houseguest.
Place your bets.
Some folks are still in the grieving phase…I thought it hilarious!
Nicole is going to win America’s favorite. It’s not too late. Michie or Holly can still take her to final 2.
I know that on at least a couple of occasions Holly has told Jackson she loves him and he didn’t acknowledge her. Unless I missed it he hasn’t ever used the L word. At least, not the way she does. Has he ever actually called her his girlfriend? I know others have. Jackson has made comments like no matter what happens she will always be in his life, tells her she is best friend. He was an ass to her and on many occasions showed his bad temperament. When she cried about it, he would change his tune. I could be wrong but given his obsession with how he was being portrayed, I thought her tears were a reality check for him and why he would suddenly become Mr. Nice Guy. It was all for the cameras to clean up his image. Abuse the girl then use the girl!
I can only imagine what it’s going to be like outside of the house. Holly thinks she’s in love with Jackson. He probably can’t wait to go celebrate with his buddies which includes an abundance of alcohol. No cameras so he’s free to be himself. Holly isn’t going to be so happy with his frat boy behavior. I always think back to earlier in the season. In a conversation with some of the guys, Jackson was telling them how he gets really “aggressive” when he goes out. He appeared to be bragging. I can’t help but think this guy is a walking glowing loud red flag! You can throw some sequence/glitter in there too.
In general, I don’t think the amount of years between them would or should be a big deal ….. if Jackson was at least in his 30’s. The science today is that an adolescent’s brain can still be in the developmental stage through early 20’s. It makes sense considering why you see so many of people in early 20’s behaving like there in high school and/or have poor decision making skills. When you look at it that way, it’s pretty gross.
I agree with jessme. The best outcome for Holly would be to take Nicole. That would be the biggest and grandest move of the season. Also the most shocking! I can’t imagine the jury not respecting that move. It would certainly improve her image. Lol!
Nicole for AFP!
Part 3 is usually about the houseguests
Poor job? She made it to the final three.
She will get AFP though
Yep, last anti-Jackson standing.
I’m happy for her that she will get that. I’m not too sure how she will look back on this experience, and most particularly after she sees how Cliff impacted her game in so many ways; particularly the treachery.
I still don’t know if the rumor that she fainted during the challenge is true or not, but it does seems like she may have done a far better job at letting Cliff’s bitterness get into her head and not Jackson’s.
I am rooting for Sam the man
Dawg,
Can we send someone stat to check on Houka’s well being?
I believe they’re hanging out with Scottie Salton; Scottie asked them to move in once he learned it was Houka who manifested his win. While Houka’s predictions are “always right”, their one constant is they always predict the geekiest player to win.
Admin please disregard the flag on this post. My barely awake fingers hit the flag purely by accident and then I tried to undo it which only made it worse. Sorry about that Swaggy, I’ll refrain from scrolling until I’ve had my coffee.
Damn, I wondered what that buzzing noise was…I thought it was a Canis lupus attack.
No problems there Aunt Cece, I know the feeling…I’m on my third cup of coffee and will be going for the 4th soon. And I’m sure it’s not the first flag admin has received on me (sorry guys).
Look at the Aunt Cece, you earned yourself some down thumbs for being polite to me. Savor them with your next cup of coffee! I do.
No worries Aunt Cece, it requires a few flags before the alarm bells ring so you’re all good.
Jackson is still losing. That’s for sure.
Define sure.
I’ll be damn! YES!
Just glad because so many people wanted them to lose. In my opinion that made Jackson and Holly the underdogs,
In my opinion when it is 2 against 1, the 2 are clearly NOT the underdogs.
That must be why SO many showmance’s have won over the years
Our opinions on who we want to see win dont really affect whether or not Jackson and Holly are underdogs.
For example, pretend most people wanted to see the Dolphins beat the Patriots. The Dolphins would still be the underdogs.
I’m glad you’re happy with the result, I just think calling Jackson and Holly underdogs goes a bit too far.
I was just saying this! Everyone always says they back the underdogs. Jackson has been a target forever.
Production if you have any shread of decency you need to hide the stool now.
How did the Nicole manifesting workout for you people?
Who you calling, you people.
I believe they are referring to some of the more intense viewers who won’t have any need for hair care products for a while.
Couldn’t thumbs up cause, well, ovs, but that is a very funny line.
George Jefferson “you people are you people”
I’m guessing all those hating on Jackson & Holly because they were just so much better players in the end.
Name one vote Holly will have in the jury house taking Jackson..I could never settle for less 50k when I have a better chance for 500k taking Nicole. I don’t care what he did for me or did to me vs I came for one thinking the 500k it’s a dirty game so lets get dirty..Holly should take Nicole and hope to get enough jury votes to win the 500k..Holly taking Jackson to F2 will give her zero votes..everyone will vote for Jackson..to me the jury is not bitter some of them will give it to the best player of the game and that is Jackson..I wanted Nicole to win just because but Jackson played a better game and deserves the 500k. If Holly takes Nicole it might be spilt votes between them..Nicole might win going up against Holly or Jackson..Holly going up against Jackson she will definitely lose. I did not come for a friend, a lover, a buddy, a bestfriend or a boyfriend..I came for 500k and if Jackson can’t understand now like he did in the beginning that this is a game and a dirty one at that too bad..Holly should take her turn in game and taking Jackson out if she gets the chance..the boyfriend relationship will never last..but 500k will last for a minute..my loyalty is me and my family. That’s it that’s all.
I think Sis is a vote for Holly. Jess will only vote for a woman. Cliff and Nicole may vote Holly since she kept her word and they may be bitter. Either Tommy or Christie could vote Holly too. Jackson hosed Tommy and Christie is nuts. This thing is not over.
Cliff and Nicole voting for Holly shows they are hypocrites. Had Jackson not overheard the conversation with Tommy, he’d be gone.
It’s all up to the jury. As many people have been saying for a long time, Jackson’s jury management has been horrible whereas Holly has had a strong social relationship with most of the jury.
Those are factors she can count on. And given the chance of a bitter jury, taking Nicole with her would be Cliff worthy.
Holly would lose FOR SURE against Nicole.
Remember weeks nine and ten when Christie was going to be voted out for sure against Sis and Nick? Nothing is for sure in Big Brother.
But you never really know how the jury will vote. Plus Cliff just kept on going on about how she’s “America’s Sweetheart”. I don’t get that at all. Sure I feel sorry for her right now being stuck in there til Thurs with a couple who are gonna take each other, but she hasn’t played much of a game really. That’s why she & Cliff were their choice to take to final four. They were easier to beat.
Well said, bravo
I hope Nicole still campaigns hard to both this week, just once I’d love to see a blindside pick at the end.
Agreed. Laying back and allowing someone to take the $500000 just because you are banging them is a waste of playing. Anyone who was a true BB fan would know to take your best option to the end to win and Jackson is not the best option for her. Leaving the house jurors already expressed how they would vote and not one of them on the way out said Holly. Christie and Jess on their way out they both said they would vote for Jackson to win. Sis even said although his game was dirty she would consider a vote for Jackson.
Jackson has all but told Holly he is going to be out there on other shows (with other chicks) and it’s been a bone of contention all season with quite a few arguments.
As much as i couldn’t stand Cliff, he went out fighting but was too little too late and should have done it in his HOH. Many of the comments I see on other sites suggest Cliff doing well on AFP polls because of his final attempt to stay “fight”, his comeback and final 4 deal. They are still talking about Cliff and he is gone so he got to them a little thinking about jury. I am not convinced he deserves AFP.
We want to see people fight for the money cause Jackson certainly is.
I’d fight my own bff, brother or whomever to win the $500000 and if they truly love me at the end of the day they will understand.
You hit the nail on the head when you said , anyone who is a true Big Brother fan would know to take your best option. Holly has never watched big brother and said something about she wanted to get on Love Island ( or whatever it was called). I don’t think Jackson had seen the show either except for what they watched after being cast. Nicole is a true fan so it’s disappointing that she made a rookie mistake by keeping a showmance in the game. Cliff really screwed Nicole and every time I think of the things he said behind her back it aggravates me. If I have to choose between the stool buddies I hope Holly wins. It’s a hard pill to shallow to think of Jackson winning after all of his cheating and production help. I do think Jackson is sincere with his feelings for Nicole. It makes me like him just a little when I see him interact with her.
She is still hanging on to the idea that they will be together outside of the house, but I think that ship has sailed a long time ago
She did go on the game for 500,000 but they say love is blind.
If Holly did the ultimate move and knocked this season’s ultimate player out of the game, how could she not deserve to win the $500K? Plus it would be super entertaining for me to watch. I would consider that a win for BB!
Best comment on this whole page! Thankyou!
And you may very well see it happen.
Up until My Little Pony failed to deliver in round 2, the consensus was Jackson had done a horrible job at jury management and was going to pay for it…yet suddenly, Holly’s best bet is to take Nicole.
If the jury, or sufficient jury members are bitter, Holly takes it.
Kay will 100% vote for Holly. Don’t know about anyone else.
Holly needs to take Jackson, not Nicole. Nicole would win over Holly because she is well liked by a lot of jury members but there is the very strong possibility Jackson is so disliked by the jury that they would vote for Holly. Although her record is not as impressive as Jackson’s, her record is not bad.
Holly has to win part 3 first
you are mistaken. both tommy and christy will vote for holly for sure. sis as well. cliff is bitter and might do the same. last i checked Jack and Jackson are not on best terms. Nicole is bitter and will vote for holly.
Well, she got 3.
Worst possible outcome. I think I’m gonna barf.
Don’t get any on your cat.
Love it lol
I heard them say the first one wasn’t endurance like it has usually been. It sounds to me like production moving comps around to benefit Jackson & Holly.
I can’t stand it when they meddle. Christie was the #1 target on the block and, somehow, magically, the biggest drama queen in the house stayed every time. Production didn’t have time to meddled in the double, so their favorite finally went home.
if Holly can win the next one the smart move would be to take Nicole to F2 , but I doubt she will.
It would be her best chance of taking 1st
Grasping at straws.
She should have dumped Jackson a long time ago. He’s a piece of $h!t who doesn’t care about her feelings and makes her feel bad for no reason. She’ll take Jackson because he’s already broken her spirit. She pretends to want to empower girls. The only message she’s sending to little girls out there is that a man can degrade you constantly, but you know he really cares if he values what’s between your legs.
Jan do you think Holly would win if she took Nicole to the finale? I don’t think she will take Nicole but I bet the audience would go crazy and it would be amazing TV which Grodner would love.
I think it would have been ratings gold if Nicole had taken out Jackson in the finale challenge and picked Holly to go F2.
That would have made it a battle between the tiny girl who took down the ogre and the ogre’s mistress.
She’s not good enough to beat either of them. I hate when people say they would vote for someone just because they don’t like their opponent. Jackson has killed it. He deserves to win!
While Holly’s contribution to his wins were not so overt, she did a remarkable job at calming him down when he would start getting very emotional and tense. That was good team management on her part that will probably get little credit.
Sleepy , I think she has a better chance of winning taking Nicole. Taking Jackson out would be reason enough for the jury to vote for her. Plus it would be a great ending to an otherwise crappy season.
Holly would be in jury if not for Jackson. If she takes Nicole she looses. However, a bitter jury might take her over Jackson.
Right, but it would be a shitty thing to do and she’s not gonna do that.
Agreed holly has a much better chance of jury being bitter and beating michie than beating nicole
I think it would give her more of a fighting chance to take the 500k.
Neither her nor Jackson, imo, had much of a social game. So it would seem to be purely comps and game moves. Holly could go comp to comp, but really what game moves?
I guess the beat thing we can hope for at this point is a not bitter jury, and Nicole for AFP!!
Holly has no right winning this game
I’d rather Holly win than Jackson just to crush his ego.
Being a Razorhog you should know something about crushed dreams.
If Jackson wins,” I have 500k”! If Holly wins,Jackson will say”WE have 500k”! If Holly does take Jackson to final 2,it may very well be a 450k mistake!
Holly will win she has Jess Kat Nicole cliff Tommy Christin and sis ..bet on that
Did Houka change their screen name?
He changed it to The Night King Will Win The Game of Thrones.
I know he has been busy with his new business venture……selling Antonio Brown jerseys.
As a Steeler fan, that’s funny.
So you think Holly has no right to win but the guy who CHEATED by eating in the shower while on slop does have the right to win?
Tommy would be there instead of Holly if not for Jackson. However, I think the bitter jury would give it to Holly over Jackson anyways.
And people are just assuming that at soon as Holly walked out the door Tommy wouldn’t have immediately made an F2 with the strongest player and took his chances with a jury that he loves and respects.
And Nicole never had a chance because she’s just not that good. Honestly, the only reason she’ll get AFP is out of pity. Kat or Tommy were WAY more entertaining.
i totally agree. we didnt even know Nicoles name until day 80. she was like wall paper. i cant reward someone who goes to BB and does nothing and hopes people take them to the end. typical BB and survivor game play. take out the best players …
Season over…… Not even watching the rest of the shows. See you next year, let’s hope for a better cast, and show not rigged by production.
It was a good cast. Production needs to find a way to prevent the cool kids each season from forming big cliques the first week.
They need a cast of all hard asses then let the game begin.
What current or former people would you say qualify as hard asses?
Cops, military and other first responders.
I like it but for the most part they’d have to be ex’s. Active military folks wouldn’t be given the time off, and I’m not too sure many cops or first responders would either. I don’t know how Derrick was able to (anyone know?).
Do you remember David Lane (BB4)? One of my favorites, ex-Army Ranger, lovable goofball (who knew how to kill you in many different ways). Unfortunately he didn’t last too long.
I can only imagine a household of people like him and Cody. I would love it.
So you want a bunch of Cody Nicksons brooding and grunting all season?
The only reason they didn’t like Cody is he went for a big player on his first HOH without consulting anyone. Jessica stood by him although she didn’t always agree.
Two more people that the usual suspects insisted would never stay together. Granted, they’re total opposites but it’s working for them. I know Jessica did seem to be hesitant for a while but once she took the plunge…sploosh!
Yep, that’s exactly what I want. Love him or hate the guys a badass. Look what he did in Amazing Race. And he seemed to be a good guy too. OK, go ahead and blow-up if you feel the need.
I loved how those two interacted; she gave as good as she got. Have you seen photos of Maverick Nickson?
That would suck, big time. Authority cases trained to kill. Good plan.
So, a REAL summer of Steve then?
Frankie Grandie, Tommy, Lawon, Rockstar, Kaitlyn, Raven, Chima, and Marcellas.
And JC…who will be on tonight’s show.
SMB,
Do you think they will make JC sit on the stool?
They might let him use Tommy’s booster seat.
The dang stool needs some kind of consultation prize or just take it outside and burn it to put it out of its misery.
I’m assuming this would be worst-case scenario casting??
How about a season where no contestant is over 5′. Imagine, a whole house full of JC’s and Tommys.
you have a problem with gay men, you should see someone about that!!!
Says someone with hater in their screen name.
Zing!
LOL! Now you folks are really reaching.
No, I have no problem whatsoever with gay men and if you noticed, I didn’t mention all the other gay players. I was simply referring to two short, hyper-active, obnoxious little $hits.
And before you try claiming I have a problem with “little people”, I did not use the terms midgets or dwarf. Just short $hits.
By the way, how tall are you?
Very strong SMB
Season of minorities, couldn’t hurt.
Recruit from the prisons
I think we need LESS production interference!
Unfortunately production will always interfere. At the end of the day it’s a tv show.
Death, taxes and Grodner.
Maybe Christe will lend Nicole her tear jar.
Better be ready to pass that thing around. When they announce the top three AFP choices Tommy and the Hustler are both going to think they’re getting it. Tommy will be thinking, “They love me, they really love me.” Cliff will be getting ready to do his snappy thingy and thinking, “The goobers bought that folksy shit.”
Nicole will get a little revenge on the rotund one.
Post of the day Swaggie.
Well you have Celebrity Big Brother coming up which is loaded with mostly has been uber liberal hack actors and entertainment “celebrities”, which sounds like more your speed.
nOOOOOO!!! NICOLE NOOOO you were my last hope. everytime i root for someone they lose or get evicted. ugh michie will win bb, but better him than holly.
Nicole is just another coddled millennial that seemingly cannot acknowledge her own hypocrisy. Yeah, Nicole you are such a victim….
Sounds like Jackson. Still being coddled bc his mommy will sue CBS if her son is portrayed truthfully…. waaahhhh
So why would he even want to compete for money if his family is wealthy enough to afford attorneys that can intimidate CBS legal? $500k would be chump change.
Come on people, I know you need to manifest some excuse to assuage your frustration but this one is just so bizarre.
SEE ABOVE. No one from his “camp” (including his mom) has threatened to sue anyone.
That was NOT a real thing. Do some fact checking. Is he an immature baby at times? Absolutely. But he has NO CRIMINAL RECORD & NO ONE FROM HIS FAMILY HAS THREATENED TO SUE BB OR CBS. Hate him if you must but at least have the facts right.
His “mom suing cbs” is such a stupid rumor. How can anyone actually believe that? It’s laughable. These people sign their rights away to go on this show. CBS would laugh in his mom’s face or anyone else on the show that threatened a lawsuit. Give me a break.
I don’t care to fact check. Seeing with my own 2 eyes him crying for his momma is proof enough that he’s a coddled millennial. Does that make you feel better. Is that a fact?
No, that would technically still be an opinion.
quick question…can the BB winner also win AFP?
They can but Jackson and Holly have no chance of winning AFP!
Nicole will win 25.000
I think Nicole, Tommy and Cliff will be the top three even though they would be with Christie in my bottom four.
I would have said Kat until she started hooking up with Nick in jury, Ewww
I’m still voting Kat for AFP. I know it is a lost cause but she was my favorite this season.
Want to pour salt in the wound? IF she would win AFP, she might end up spending some of it on Nick…and if I caused Simon to gag a little, sorry.
[I voted for her at CBS but only because “Production” wasn’t one of the choices.]
And since there can only be one AFP, it doesn’t really look like Tommy or Cliffie can either. More tears from Tommy at the finale?
Yes I believe Dereick was part of team America he won AFP and the $500,000
Donny got AFP not Derrick.
My bad.
As part of team America (not AFP) Derrick won $70,000 followed by the $500,000.
Only if Holly takes Nicole.
YES
Season is over! I actually stopped watching last week, but following on Twitter. Worst season ever! Nicole and Cliff were so stupid to not get rid of him in the dbl.
Hmmm, I’m sure Holly and Jackson were thinking the same thing when loyal Nicole and Cliff were going to backstab them on the way to their final 4 until Jackson intervened brilliantly (because it worked) despite Nicole trying to reneg. Nicole is hardly the charming little flower she tried to show the public before losing her shiite….
You’re mad at Nicole for playing the game. She also didn’t keep Tommy. She did honor her deal. She backstabbed no one, and it had nothing to do with Jackson and everything to do with Cliff (seriously what show are you watching???). Remember when Nicole was almost evicted early this season? According to your brand of logic, she should have worked against the people who orchestrated the plan to make her stay. You want to have it all ways.
You think Nicole and Cliff honored their deal? The deal was about honoring the commitment Zander trusting they had your back…. clearly, they didn’t and clearly it was because Jackson took the gloves off to create doubt. Otherwise, Holly was going out the door. Cliff and Nicole were not strong enough to win the game. It does have something to do with winning comps….. ask Jessica. She went power hungry and tried big moves…. Nicole won a veto and Cliff and Holly gave her an HOH. Cliff’s throwing the comp at dale eviction was funny. He had one piece left for like 3 minutes and kept carrying around…. placing it upside down when it could only fit one way… he kept looking at Nicole and Tommy to decide if he needed to win it over Tommy…. hilarious:)
Bottom line, Jackson and Holly outplayed everyone. Jackson had a target on his back the whole game…. even by Cliff and Nicole. He got himself to finals by winning as needed. Nicole and Cliff could have split the vote and made Jackson decide…. that would have been a better move. Honor the deal the did not… they had already showed their true colors and you cannot put that back in the box.
You can’t say that Cliff and Nicole didn’t honor their final 4 deal when the final consists of everyone in the deal.
If they honoured the deal they wouldn’t have asked Holly to make another deal by agreeing to throw the HOH and POV competitions.
Hmmmm, right before eviction ceremony cliff and Nicole walk up to holly and cliff states plain as day, “you have to throw the hoh and the veto” ok buddy…
Could not have said it better Curt.
I don’t think she is evil, but she’s no “America’s sweetheart” like some seem to think. She’s got a mouth on her & she absolutely WOULD HAVE gone back on her word in a heartbeat to stab them in the back. Cliff is the Only reason she kept Holly.
Really?? She was doing what was best for HER game! Y’all can’t have it both ways! Y’all mentioned how many times showmances made it to final 2 so are you saying all the other times no one went back on any deals?
Yep. I really liked her until she started showing the real her.
Production would have never let Nicole get rid of Jackson. This is definitely the last season I’m watching. They let Tyler win an HoH he should have lost last year; they helped Jackson win the last veto of this season. It’s more rigged every year, and I’m done with it. And that goes without saying all of the truly terrible people, from racists to gropers, they allow on this show. Even if Nicole somehow wins this thing, I’m tired of investing so much time in a “reality” show that promotes terrible people and cheating.
Damn, it’s too late for me to change my AFP votes to “Production”.
I mean, Jackson himself said that he got help on the veto competition. You don’t have to believe me, but at least believe your boy.
“You don’t have to believe me…”
Whew…that’s a relief.
I’ve been thinking about this today. Yes they want ratings, BUT, this guy is just so unlikeable. In our current environment what is the reason to “promote” this angry young man-child. It doesn’t make sense. He’s just an awful model. He’s the kind of person you avoid in the real world. I don’t get why they would help him. They could’ve flipped the script early on but didn’t. Why? Maybe there is something they know about their audience that we don’t? What the heck is it?
I don’t get his “pro young girls” paramour script either but don’t want to disparage her. He does that enough.
Ratings can be generated by many things. Given the quality of the cast this year, there was an overabundance of non-role model material, plenty of chances for dysfunctional personalities to clash and vie for power. Even the non-pretty people were fairly unconventional except for the truck driver and maybe that black guy whatshisname (David)?
I’m glad to see you took the high road regarding the “pro young girl” person; yes, that was strange but I’m hoping that tortured last chance speech was due to the tense situation. Now that the pressure is off, I do hope she takes the opportunity to prepare a more thoughtful closing speech to the jury.
The best thing we can do is boycott watching the finale since it’s all about ratings to CBS. Who really cares which one wins anyway? Production clearly had a pet from the beginning and allowed him to cheat with food and stopped the have-nots for him. In addition the help in competitions. The entire season was rigged.
Funny, because HE & HOLLY Are the only reason they got to final four.
NOOOOOOOOOOOOO……..Nicole,what happened??? You were my only chance at a fantastic finale night….Not looking forward to seeing Lurch & Morticia winning it all……..:(
Nicole just didn’t have the skills to win. She is a nice girl but not a very strong player.
I hate the years when a poor or mediocre player wins (almost always due to a bitter Jury) I want the players who have killed it to win. Jackson & Holly worked very well as a team. They both deserve to be there & Jackson should win
Cue the, “I’m done,” “I’m canceling my feeds,” and “It was rigged” posts.
I don’t care who wins this season — I never had a favorite.
But Jackson played the best game.
Actually, it sounds like it was. Holly just said..” I’ve been asking all season for a wall climbing comp, and I finally got one” “ I can’t believe I got up that wall so fast” So ya, I am done, I never had feeds, and It was rigged….
It wasn’t rigged. You are all sore losers
Don’t they plan these competitions months in advancer?
Another that doesn’t get the outcome they desire so they head into the delusion zone aka, “safespace” equipped with a bunny and a soft blankie for you to curl up in. You want a soother as well?
At least they can cuddle with Pajama Boy.
Wth was with ALL the physical comps?? I was sooo hoping. It was going to be something mental involving days or faces because Nicole was so prepared!
Plus, she had a hurt knee from the last comp
My final wish is for Nicole to win AFP and then my final dream would be to see Holly totally kick Jackson to the curb and take Nicole (like he is going to do to her once the show is over).
However, that will never happen and as much as I don’t like Holly, I would love nothing more than to see Jackson have to walk out behind her.
My gosh…Nicole must be crushed.
Awww…. Nicole is fine. You are crushed, her fans are crushed but she is fine. She kept saying she did not have a chance and she didn’t. You all were delusional. Her and Cliff were not the ones putting people on the block. If they were betting on Jessica or Kat helping them make it until the end, that was just stupid. Cliff at least got them in with Jackson and Holly…. his best game move. It wasn’t Nicole….
And Cliff’s worst game move was believing that Michie is an honorable man of his word.
So yeah congrats Michie!
Uh…do you mean the Cliff who had an F2 with both Nicole and Jackson and fully intended to keep his “word” with both of them?
I was trying to think of a good jury roundtable drinking game. I came up with the idea of everyone taking a drink every time Cliffie used the words “integrity, honor, word, trust, fait or gentleman”. On reflection, I realized most people would be blind drunk if he talked more than two minutes.
Part 2 is always a mental + physical comp. Don’t be that way just because the precious little flower who spent the whole game in her yellow bed in the RV wilted.
Oh come on. Everyone that watches BB knows about the wall comp. and yes, holly and Jackson both have watched enough bb to know. Just because she said she’s been asking for it doesn’t make it rigged. That comp was happening whether she asked or not.
Well, this what happens when you make a fatal mistake of keeping a Power Couple/Duo together. Holly Jackson final 2 or will one make a big move & take Nicole? On the real, while I didn’t like how he talked down to all the females, Jackson earned this win.
So let me guess…something physical and not mental?
It was both
Mostly physical.
No. climbing a wall mixed with days answers.
Nicole choked. Holly didn’t.
Not sure I’d say Nicole chocked – Holly is an experienced rock climber & she just happened to get lucky the last event involved rock climbing. Who knows how much Nicole’s injured knee affected her performance. But – bottom line Holly won easily so kudos to her.
It was a rock climbing dates event (of note Holly just told Jackson she has been waiting ALL SEASON for a rock climbing competition) lol. I’m not spouting conspiracies – they plan all the comps in advance so good for Holly & unlucky for Nicole that happens to be something Holly excels at. She won fair & square so kudos to Holly.
TTOT: How do you know the comps are set in stone in advance? That they don’t have a few events to choose from? I am not saying that I know (unlike you). I am just saying it is something we’ve heard about for years.
That’s fair — I’m basing it on what got said one season afterward. Also in Canada the guy who designs the challenges was on Entertainment Tonight Canada & was showing them how they develop the comps, schedule them etc.
I guess TPTB could be messing with us but I took them at face value. Hey, no one wanted to see Nicole in one of those F2 chairs more than me. BUT… I try to be a gracious loser so as much as it hurts that this last comp was tailor made for Holly I’m giving her all the credit for the win.
It is true that they schedule comps far in advance in most cases and most seasons. The comp producer that has worked for both Canada and US in the past did show the process and schedule created in advance of the season in an interview a year and a half to two years ago.
However, there has been exception to the schedule, and alteration made in the past. Season 20 had such a case where the schedule had to be altered (TPTB expected Krazykaitlyn to complete her puzzle), which pushed the double out of whack.
While this season, I have seen many, many things that are odd from a programming point of view (i think the physical comp percentage is close to 60% while in most seasons it’s around 35-40%, alteration to timing of double in the programming scheme similar to last season, from week 6 and 7 that were common until season 19, switched to week 10 and 11 for the past two). The timing of the double was altered for 20 due to the puzzle fail. this season has no such excuse or reason, It’s just later, and has fewer voters because it’s later. Fewer voters has an affect. Fewer participants in a double hoh has an effect. It just does. It’s easier to predict and maintain control during a week in a day situation from a production point of view.
My choke response is me attempting to give the winner their due, and showing my dissatisfaction for the loser in her failure. Sure I eyerolled about the waiting for a climbing comp and the still complained about the questions comments and sure, when she said ‘i can’t believe i got up that wall so fast’ i blurted out ‘yeah, almost like someone was pulling on that rope, eh?’ but that was me being sour grapes. She won. That’s that.
I’ve been wanting to be wrong about my week one and two prediction, because I admit it, I dislike Jackson. NO Secret there. When I saw the leak of what the hoh comp looked like, my initial thought was well how are they going to get a Holly win out of that, can the climbing make THAT much of a difference? About one minute and 40 seconds difference (Holly says she thought she got 12 minutes, but was 10 minutes and some seconds, implying that Nicole got 12 minutes I hope, and not Holly saw her time at 12 and she was still competing because I don’t want to go down the obvious road and seem even pettier than I am).
Congratulations to Holly, for winning part two, and for overcoming the part of my season prediction that saw her leaving in the double in order to create a Jackson righteous fury vengeance response that would take him to the final two, where she would vote for him automatically.
How was it tailor made? You guys kept saying that Nicole knows her days and holly doesn’t have a clue. Holly could crawl over that set like a monkey all day long but if she doesn’t know the days it doesn’t matter. Well she beat Nicole anyway. I respect your opinion but Nicole choked is mine.
Someone posted that Holly said she also had help from production because it wasn’t fair that they asked a question about the clowns. She said that was more catered towards Nicole.
Someone also said that Jackson misread the veto comp questions and they helped him with that. They made Nicole drink water too.
Who knows what it true. I can go back and watch the feeds for those days but it is not going to change anything.
They always gear everything towards these gross bullies, helping them cheat, breaking the rules. It’s ridiculous.
But why? Why? Tis a dark glass.
Nana, hush, you forgot your teeth in the bathroom again.
A questions for all you super fans…..I’ve only been watching for the past 6 seasons. What, if any, other showmances have made it to F2?
None. Mike Boogie and Erika made it to F2 in All-Stars.
Well Mike and Erica is a fake showmance , and it wasn’t that known in the house. Will was his true showmance.
Didn’t Jeff & Jordan make the F2?
Jordan yes, Jeff no.
They are the first
If Holly is smart and I say IF, she takes Nicole, she has no chance against Jackson.
I don’t think she would have better with Nicole. Nicole also has friends in jury that aren’t mad at her.
But sending Jackson out to vote with the jury on finale night should garner some votes… plus it would be excellent TV for those of us at home.
Yes. Given how Nicole’s mentor said he was going to poison the jury (which I don’t give him all that much credit to be able to do, but who knows, maybe there are other people stupid enough to take his “word”), it wouldn’t be all that smart to take Nicole.
Plus it gives Holly two more talking points for her resume; she won a crucial challenge AND always remained loyal to her partner and her alliance (throwing a comp).
If the jury is bitter, Holly wins. If the jury somehow puts aside their bitterness (or as many will say, production puts guns to their heads), Jackson wins.
I’m just waiting to see the look of Poppa Hawg’s face when Smurfette joins the jury…and how he votes.
She would gain huge credibility by cutting Jackson loose. Otherwise she;s just playing for second place.
Whatever happened to the lousy jury management by Jackson mantra? Now suddenly he has a lock on the jury vote? LOL!
I seriously doubt Holly will pull a Cliff; that’s playing for third place.
And let’s be honest here tongue, we both know that Holly would never gain any credibility from you folks.
Swaggie: Playing for third place? That makes no sense. If Holly cuts Jackson (which is what we are discussing), that means she made the choice who to bring with her to F2.
Sorry, I was referring to Ovi’s reference to her playing for second place, whereas doing something incredibly stupid (aka Cliff’s game plan) was playing for third place. Holly isn’t going to do that, now is she going to just “lay there and take second” as some are manifesting.
She told him game wise, better to take Nicole for her game but will take him. Also I have reme that reality shows are taped, edited and no where near reality as claimed. My daughter works for a media company that tapes and edits reality shows… Nothing real about them.
I’m not sure that Cliff was really going to sway the jury but after Jackson’s goodbye message to him, he may do it now.
It is kind of Cliff’s fault though that he and Nicole are not in the house. He thought that Holly and Jackson would keep him over Nicole so he talked Nicole out of voting out Holly.
I’m sure he may do it, I’m not too sure how much actual influence he would have on the jury however. At the same time he could have ended up unintentionally poisoning the well for Nicole.
It’s going to be interesting to see what he has to say in the jury round table; he knows it’s his last chance to play for AFP.
I totally agree! I see all these people saying she should take Nichole…I think Nichole has the most jury votes for sure.
I’m not so certain of that. Holly had a very strong social connection with most of the jury, whereas Nicole had a far more weaker connection.
Nicole did have a strong connection with Nick but Nick was saying all the things that suggested he would vote best player. If Tommy had gone out last I could see him voting Nicole, but now that he’s in the jury house with his best bud Aquaman, I’m fairly certain they’re talking and what are the chances of Aquaman voting for one of the “bottom dwellers”.
I seriously believe Holly would have a better shot against Nicole, but that’s not going to happen. It will all come down to whether the jury is bitter or not.
On the bright side…can’t wait to see Cliff’s face when (hopefully) Nicole wins AFP and he realizes all of his boring, creepy ,non-stop pandering to the cameras was for naught.
To be the ulitmate “superfan” that Boss Hog claimed to be, he will probably have to file for SSI disability for mental anguish & impairment after he not only watches his last week of pathetic deals (that he made every 5 minutes) but also comes to the realization that Nicole will see just how quickly he would have sold her out in a heartbeat to go to final 3 once she watches the show afterwards.
I’m sure Cliff’s (adult) children are mortified and his “before the wife” comments (ewww) aren’t sitting too well with Sharon 143. 😉
I don’t know about that. There may be some in that jury house that would vote for Holly just to piss Jackson off.
Not gonna happen (at least at this point) as she just told Jackson even though she could beat Nicole she’s 100 percent taking Jackson and wants to walk out with him hand in hand on Finale night. And he guaranteed he’s taking her.
Unless DR/TPTB start getting in their heads I’d say it’s a wrap.
They hate Jackson because he wins ..which is stupid for the Jury. Holly will win.
They respect that he wins comps in jury. They dislike that (in a couple juror’s words) he played a dirty game. I think they’d like him to own the dirty part of his game. I don’t think they’ll like it if he passes the buck on them, and plays the dirty part isn’t his fault answers like in his speeches (plural) in the final four eviction.
All this holly should take nicole. Not gonna happen because jackson will noway lose that final comp to holly. So much hate on jackson because he actually played the game. Not too many people have won big brother by playing the game right. I can think of 3 people who lied backstabbed and had to do whatever it took to win. Dan will dick(but he needed america to win) and soon to be jackson. Those are your 4 best ever. I dont get why people want players like jordan to win every year. I wanna see people earn that 500k and not just float to the end and hope for a bitter jury. Players like jackson is what makes me watch big brother.
Is it a given that Holly will win part 3?
No but I believe it’s pretty much a given that whichever of them wins will take the other.
I think Holly has a better change of beating Jackson than Nicole. I think it would be a mistake if she takes Nicole. Same with Jackson – if he takes Nicole.
either way no one should take nicole as they would both loose. think about it. Tommy and Christie 100 percent would vote together and pick nicole, Cliff would pick nicole for sure, sis would pick nicole as well as Jessica. its over…..
The cat ladies are going to be full on mourning now
Congrats to Jackson and his girl for their happy ending of BB21. The whole season can be summarized easily as below:
Jackson: Hello?
BB: BB Express. How can I help you?
Jackson: I need a daily supply of watermelon.
BB: Sure. Anything else?
Jackson: Yeah I need a girlfriend.
BB: Sure. What type?
Jackson: You got any old buzzards?
BB: Got it. Anything else?
Jackson: Yeah I need $500k
BB: Sure, your order for $500k is coming right up. Anything else?
Jackson: Yeah can I have some steak and fries to go with that too? Oh, give me another 10k on top of that.
Whatever Jackson wants, he gets. Life is good.
Big Brother. Where douchebag dreams come true.
DEAD at “You got any old buzzards?”
Excellent, love it!
Yeah he is a piece of trash. And aLying hypocrite. Yes he won comps but didnt play by the same rules he preached.
Just because you didn’t get the outcome you wanted then its all just rigged to that extent. You think production likes Jackson or Holly? Are you nuts? The leftwing network giving a pass to what appears to be at least one undeniably NOT a democrat loonie…. Suspension of disbelief is what you are trying to serve.
Lay off the sauce.
Where douchebag dreams come true…and harpie nightmares begin.
Woah, you’re so mad it’s funny lol. Kind of scary, but funny.
I’m done watching this shit season. CLIFF THIS IS YOUR FUCKING FAULT, NICOLE KNEW THIS WOULD HAVE HAPPENED, AND YOU WERE A TOOL WHO DIDN’T WANT TO LISTEN!
Nicole For AFP!! I hope she returns in the future and redeems herself.
Nicole has zero game and Cliff kept Jackson on purpose because he knew Tommy was Pro Nicole and Jackson was pro Cliff.
I’m thinking Cliffie is kicking himself in the double-wide backside for not taking the gift HoH himself. If you recall, he folded on that comp conveniently quickly…before Holly could drop and Nicole gift it to him so he could get a letter from his greatest treasure.
He wanted Nicole to get the blood on her hands so he could keep his F2 alive with both her and Jackson; if the blood was on his hands Jackson would take Nicole.
That bit him in his “gentleman” ass.
It is Cliff’s fault Nicole made it as far as she did. Cliff made Jackson and Holly agree to take her with him. They wanted Tommy. Nicole would have been out before Crustie if not for Cliff getting them in alliance with the F2
So you are saying Cliff not only helped Nicole but also helped Michie and Holly? Because if they promised a final 4 with Tommy then I’m pretty sure Michie and Holly would have been split at the double. And Tommy wasn’t going to be loyal to the other one. So yeah mastermind Cliff deserves all the credit.
The real point is neither Cliff or Nicole would have made it to final four or three without Jackson & Holly.
You know some haters are just gonna hate…. regardless of logic. They were rooting for the wrong pony and they are worse losers than Cliff. You are spot on with your comments Michelle. Very wise you are:)
Man i hope we never see nicole ever again but we will see other players play the same game as nicole and thats float your way through. Maybe they should have a show called allstar floaters for all you people who love the boring players. But im sure a season like that would be shut down after a month with no ratings.
I like it…the very first HoH challenge starts and they all immediately fall down.
AND, they split the money equally between the entire cast of players. Lol.
And all promise to never hurt each others feelings.
Sure, blame Cliff. Don’t blame the guy who was the shitshow.
Do you means Jackson’s 500K show?
Yes, Swaggie, the show named after the shitshow.
The shitshow? Did you soil yourself again?
Nicole and Cliff got what they deserved!
Unlike QUEEN Paras neither could win the comps at the end to break up the showmance who CLEARLY would take each other to final 2 so why the f*ck were they NOT broken up when they had the chance…
So unlike the queen they will not win and will join the jury brokenhearted…
I really don’t understand them. They will kick themselves in the butt for the rest of their lives and rightfully so.
Congrats Jackson. He easily should win unless we have a super bitter jury. His cougar didn’t do much compared to him so despite despising his actions the first half of the game (really didn’t care care about this season post jury) he earned it.
yeah, it must have been so difficult for her to win, what with three hoh’s before jury talking about nominating her, getting called to d/r immediately upon saying it for a half hour, and coming out saying oh on second thought, putting her on the block is a bad idea. oh the trauma.
Bye Nicole.
My prediction is Michie wins round 3 and takes the shower stool with him to final two. The shower stool wins the pity vote for dealing with those two all season long and gets the 500k.
See you all next year to watch the next group of deplorables that Grod selects play.
Just sent a donation. Season is almost done. Proud of you And dawg for sticking it out. Hopefully you will cover bbcan this year as well. Fingers crossed for a better season up here in the north!
Thanks Katie!
We’re hoping for a fun BBCAN in 2020
You guys are the best! Thanks for everything.
So you’re hoping for a change in their casting, programming, feeds outages (those 19-21 hour ones mid season when they get a party after a comp are ROUGH), and no gender non binary lesbian Schlumpy eeyore troll talking about getting a female house guest drunk in order to put her in a condition where she won’t know what’s going on and say no? Yeah, could happen. (The last part pushed one of my buttons reallllllll bad last season, so bared mentioning).
Thanks for all you do Simon and Dawg!
You and Dawg should both apply
What the hell is all that noise? Oh, just the annual popping of heads and heavenly chorus of I’ll Never Watch Again.
And what happened to Jackson, he’s forgotten his sense of entitlement. “We have a 50% chance of winning half a million dollars.”
Well, in a season of extraordinary house guests (extraordinarily bad), it has been enjoyable for me to watch how some of the house guests were able to evolve in such remarkable ways.
Just look at Holly, she’s now the last anti-Jackson and is actually getting wishes for a win! You go girl!
For the folks who are upset that Nicole failed, the last great anti-Jackson hope, don’t blame production, blame Houka Inumata…he successfully manifested another one.
Priceless
More mansplaining from Jackson’s self-appointed hagiographer.
Ovi you should try coffee in the morning. It does so much more for your disposition then sour grapes.
“than”.
Did someone lose their binky?
Yep, along with a few other things.
Your brow, for one.
The worst part is not Holly winning or Nicole losing. Yes the comp wins count and Jolly has done well there. Only ONE person wins the $500,000. There’s no spot for WE on the check. Just one or the other.
Holly needs to play BB. What’s her biggest move other than aligning with Jackson and winning comps? The jury may say Jackson did all the work! (And he did lol)
Holly allowed her HOH to be hijacked n cried about it for the entire week. Crazy part is, allowing them to do this made Jackson a target and there is where his game took off! Using Holly as the spring board got Jackson there.
Without Holly, Jackson wouldn’t have made it this far.(props but not enough for her to win unless jury is bitter n some obviously are. uhhgg the bitter vote but part of BB those must consider)
For the LOVE of BB given the choice what’s best for Holly is to make the big move to get out Jackson!
Here’s the worst part, No one wants anybody to stop playing BB and HAND the money to another cause that’s what Holly is doing.
What Holly’s best move if she is actually trying to get this $500,000?
Or is jury so bitter they will give the money to Holly against jackson?
Not convinced of Holly’s “game play” yet
Exactly another reason Jackson may win.
Convince the chick u r banging that u deserve the money more than her and along with comp wins n deals he got the cash!
Or does he?
#BitterJuryIsAB@tch
#HollyHandsItOver
Big Brother should add another juror next year and America should have a vote for the winner every year.
I almost always completely agree with your comments, BUT…has the north forgotten that Tommy and Cliffie are trending highest right now behind Nicole?
I stand corrected. Shame…..Shame…..Shame
ROFLMAO…damn good thing I had the splash guard up in preparation for the exploding heads.
What would that matter those HG’s are evicted?
To answer the question: Has a showmance ever made it to the final 2? Season 7: Boogie (yuck) and Ericka Landin, although they kept the showmance secret they had been dating outside of the house.
So, did the time clock stop for her when Nicole fainted or did it keep running? And what did production slip her to make her faint; or did they use a dart or gas?
Bwuhahaha
Literally. I read some comments on another site (just kinda perusing the exploding heads) and saw people were talking about Nicole passing out during the comp. Which of course led to the expected speculation that production had rigged it.
I’m curious as to what happened and hope she’s alright.
Nicole made too many bad moves.
#1. Getting rid of Christie in the double.
#2. Getting rid of Tommy instead of voting out Holly.
Jackson was the biggest physical threat, should of taken a shot when she could.
Guess Nicole is kicking herself right now.
She is still wallowing in victimhood right now.
Nicole would find a way to kick herself if she won $500k.
Maybe she’ll invest it all in cosmetics? Buy herself a 22 year old pool boy?
Her choice, and good luck to her.
That describes Holly’s season, it’s her jam.
The Supreme Court voted. Jackson won 5-4. Kavanaugh was the deciding vote! Keep America great!!!
WOW BB twitter must be real happy with Holly winning HAHHAHHAHA
Tyler was curious as to whether Twitter would explode or something if Jackson wins so this could be a good predictor.
Maybe this comp outcome was a plot by production and Twitter to test the strength of the system?
LOL!
At last check they’ve foregone the deep end and jumped in the conspiracy ocean where even I would fear to tread…. and tons of cussing.
Bellísimo! Made me all Crusty eyed.
Okay, now you’re just playing it safe and making sure to not stir up the harpies (thumbs up).
Justice was served! It’s been Jackson & Holly against the whole house and the fans all season.
So happy for them! Well deserved! Best final 2 in years!
That’s her nickname going forward.
Only in the nightmares of angry harpies.
No, around her family Thanksgiving dinner table.
Cheer up, maybe they’ll name their Thanksgiving turkey Ovi’s tongue. Or maybe it will be a Capon instead.
Well what a debacle of a season. I believe we have Cliff to thanks for this mess. Who keeps a showmance this late in the game? Let me tell you who does, good ole Cliff Hogg. The most delusional BB player of a all time. He ruined not only his game but Nicole’s also. Can’t wait for him to get out of the house and read all the comments about his inept play. He is going to be in for a shock. This season sucks!!
Butt (yes, I added the second “t” in his “honor”) Cliffie is still polling very high everywhere.
On the surface it would appear that a lot of people are buying his folksy, southern gentleman, man of honor and integrity BS. Could be, or it could be they are propping up his BS to feed their dislike (and in many cases outright hatred) of Jackson.
Cliff voted out Tommy because he knew Tommy was loyal to Nicole and not him. The problem that Cliff and Nicole had was that Jackson was a great player and even Holly was more of a physical threat than either Cliff or Holly.
The fact that Cliff and Nicole made it as far as they did is a credit to their social and mental games.
True enough, but I believe the best move Cliffie made to get that far was to align with Jackson. He rode Jackson’s coat tails and brought Nicole along as either his fallback F2 or his sacrifice to Jackson for their final 2.
That was very good play on his part (and I truly believe Nicole will pay an emotional price when she sees that) but that plan blew up in his face…and lingered with Nicole’s final game.
He played a good mental game but went into little bitch mode in the end.
Did I read that right? It wasn’t a head to head competition… it was an individual timed comp? The kind where we have to take their word on who got what time.
Sam for AFP.
Simon & Dawg thanks for all your hard work. You two make the BB season fun.
Recall the outrage you sparked by just calling Crusty Crusty or when your commented on Wednesday Addams’ use of the “f” bomb?
When I try to vote for AFP today cbs is trying to make me sign back up for all access. I’ve always been able to vote without it. Is anyone else having issues?
Nope. Just click out of that and it goes to the voting page
I couldn’t see a way to click out, but I went back later and it let me vote like normal.
I ran into this issue when trying to vote for America’s Prankster. My suggestion would be not to use a mobile device. I have to Google “Big Brother American’s Favorite” to get to the right page. *shrug* Must be a browser problem.
Me too
Well it went pretty much as I expected after seeing (and posting here) the HOH pt 2 comp. Had to be more a physical player than a mental one to get through that. And even though his stool ride won it, Jackson HAD to hear her voice it that she was taking him F2 because…because…well what she said earlier. At this point all I say is COME ON WEDNESDAY! GO SURVIVOR! Being honest here…always been more a Survivor fan than a BB fan. For me BB just is something to watch other than re-runs all summer until Survivor comes on.
In the words of Evel Dick and many other past players:
@EvelDick
So remember boys & girls, If you are ever cast on BB & don’t want to be on slop, just say you have an eating disorder, have your Mom threaten to sue and they will give you a great edit and stop Have Not’s for the season, as well as cater as many watermelons as you can eat, Whoever the fuck is doing backyard interviews better ask Allison why Jackson didn’t get a penalty nomination for cheating on slop.
They should replace the 2 “hot seat” chairs with matching sex stools for them to sit on at finale.
When asked why he supported a Nicole win he said: she was the only likable person in a house full of vile and unlikable people
Its Snack and Beth in F2..what would you like to do???
Watch the finale
perform own colonoscopy
eat a toilet full of poop
Never watch BB again
I’d rather sh@t in my hand and clap then watch a F2 with Holly n Jackson
Then don’t watch. Who cares
I love Survivor too! EXCITED!!!
Ha haa! A down vote bc I like Survivor?! Wonder who would do that…
Russell Hantz?
Now without a doubt Nicole deserves AFP. As far as showmance F2, more impressive and will never happen again is Father/daughter F2… like season 8.
I don’t get why Nicole should win AFP. Other than pity for being stuck for a week alone in the house with a showmance. She was dull & boring. Laid in bed half the season got a couple comps thrown her and OMG! She was a legend in her own mind! This was a sucky cast. There was no one to root for. But Jackson & Holly played harder than the rest. One of them will win because they deserve to win.
Good timing. Not all that many people really liked her until she because a potential threat to Jackson and Holly. If she’d gone out sooner she wouldn’t even be in the running. Whoever had been the last chance or two to get out Jackson-Holly would be a favorite right now. Look at where Cliff and Tommy are polling.
Season 7-Boogie/Ericka were a showmance (yuck)
Ok I held out hope for Nicole, and other than wanting to know who wins AFP I can skip the rest of the season.
Looks like Karma caught up with Nicole! She shouldn’t made Holly throw the HOH to her and acted so superior with her sleazy buddy Cliff. Hope Nicole does not win AFP. Vote Kat. So excited for Jackson and Holly.
Holly volunteered to get them to evict Tommy.
Been voting Kat since CBS said the voting was open
Okay, I just saw this on the Twitter meltdown (KimMattina) and thought it too good not to share. I’ve no clue whether Nicole actually said this or not (and Ministry of Truth Secretary, avert your eyes):
Nicole to Jackson and Holly: I’m going to walk out with my bag and the stool. When Julie asks why I have the stool, being all alone, I’ll let her know it’s because I f@#ked myself.
Yes she did say that AND she didn’t say walk out – she said she was going to use the banishment door & crawl out lol Earlier in the day Jackson was joking around with Nicole & trying to put the stool on her & even in her face. It’s funny bc a few people got so up in arms over Nicole sarcastically joking with Jackson & I know some will find what he did with the stool disgusting just based on where it’s been but I honestly think they (Nicole/Jackson) truly do act like siblings & what do siblings do? —- they push each others buttons & joke around.
Thanks and good on her. That would be absolutely priceless if she did carry it out with her; not necessarily make the accompanying comment.
I’d love seeing Julies face (have they ever put a live show on fish) and millions of normal viewers at home would be scratching their heads wondering what that was all about.
Was there any talk about her fainting during the com?
They cut to fish every time it’s brought up. Something about CO2?
Honestly I don’t know why people would be up in arms about it. It is quite funny given the circumstances (and the fact there is an element of truth in the latter part of the statement)
It would be great if she were to walk into the jury round table and hand it to Cliff.
Considering he admitted to lying on his Application for the show, was caught breaking rules, has mommy allegedly hiring lawyers to help get CBS to not destroy his reputation and he was arrested…I dont think he is deserving at all.
You need to check your facts. He has no criminal record & his mom, nor anyone else has threatened to sue BB orCBS. Some people just believe anything and everything. Smh
What this season amounted to https://twitter.com/BB_SexStool/status/1175650145079369728
So we get to see Part 3 and see how they react to each other during the competition. Their reactions will be quite illuminating also when they get the inevitable jury questions. I still believe Jackson win but will Holly get votes out of spite
Yes. I’m particularly looking forward to watch a couple of faces and seeing how they voted.
I totally agree about Nicole. She was a little sneak this year. If it wasn’t for Cliff she would not have made it this far and this is coming from someone who can’t stand Cliff. She does seem like a nice girl but as far as a player she sucks. She had the perfect opportunity to take out Jackson/Holly on double eviction night and she laid a big egg. Don’t feel sorry for her at all now. She made her own bed and now it’s time to lay in it. Her and Cliff basically destroyed the season. Nice job you two getting Holly and Jackson to finale night! What a joke. lol
Nicole needs to emphasize to Holly that Jackson’s gonna dump her as soon as he can. And that Holly needs to bring Nicole to the final 2 if Holly wins part 3. Otherwise Jackson will walk out with the $500,000. Let alone his $10,000. $10,000 is enough to buy a nice clunker car that’d suit Jackson just fine.
Wow, Jackson must have done some fantastic jury management.
The only way the romantic relationship of Jackson~Holly survives outside of this house is if Holly wins the big prize.
Damn Skippy!! Jackson has been prepping his Fbuddy for weeks that what happens inside the house, won’t happen outside the house. If he wins, that’s all for his cougar. If she wins, he’ll spend her (their) money just fine.
I haven’t watched the amazing race In YEARS but as someone mentioned a few days ago, Michie and Nicole would be ratings gold. Nicole and cliff wouldn’t work as he would just cause him and her to go home first probably.
As much as I love The Amazing Race (my favorite because of the locations/people and because they usually do a fairly decent job at picking mostly likeable people), even they sometimes have issues with “production”.
Do you recall the season when they spent a lot of time in China, including having to learn various phrases or such in one of the dialects? It just so happened that they had a brother-sister team running the race; Chinese-Americans, who had just spent a prolonged period traveling in China and who spoke the selected dialect.
Or when one team’s extra task for coming in last on a non-elimination round amounted to walking across the street, ordering and eating an ice cream cone.
Cody and Jessica were great fun to watch and I do believe these two would be also…such a totally different dynamic of play.
As for Nicole and Cliff…do you remember the season when one team almost took a wrong turn into North Korea?
I don’t, it’s been too long or I haven’t seen it.
It was Season 17. Teams landed in Korea and had to drive themselves to a bridge extremely close to the DMZ. One team took a wrong turn and were headed right toward the DMZ; it got tense quickly for a brief moment. Probably not the best place to have people wondering around near.
But I could just see Cliffie telling Nicole that he knew a short cut, trust him.
Jackson and Nicole would be fun to watch but Nicole needs to be more physically fit for this show.
Oh, yes…and she’s probably be expected to carry Cliff again.
I had just written about the stool comment, but have edited it out, it’s been covered.
Not watching until finale. Don’t think I can stand to hear them gloat! Hoping Nicole gets AFP.
Same, I stopped watching as soon as I heard Holly won the second battle, didn’t even watch last night. I’m so disgusted with this season I can’t even think about still watching. Jackson has had way too much special favour (not punished for not eating slop and then production did away with have nots altogether clearly for him, a kazillion watermelons, and then the talk of production basically cheating for him during the competitions), it’s not a fair game when one player is helped so much by production and I’m done with it. I will probably check out next season in hopes they learned a lesson this go around but the only way they will is if those who agree don’t watch as well, hit them with loss of viewers. If you are happy for him being in this position then by all means continue on. I’ll continue to vote for Nicole for AFP and fingers crossed she at least gets that for having to endure the company of those two asshats! Hopefully see you all next season, peace out!
Not to be a ass, but Nicole did it to herself
She shouldn’t have listen to Cliff and voted Holly out
It wouldn’t have mattered unless Cliff voted with her. Michie was the HOH and would’ve broke the tie in Holly’s favor. She screwed her game up with the double. She should’ve ignored Cliff and put Michie and Holly up then. IMO
Sam for AFP. He played a good game and figured out the mega alliance. His downfall was being close to nasty NIck. Jury house turned me off of Kat for AFP.
Well Nicole. One mistake caused you to blow it all and yes you’ll be know as the girl that took a showmance to final 3. People will not forget that. It was very Fessy like. Question now is who will win??? Will Nicole and Cliff pick Michie over Holly? I think Tommy and Christie will pick Michie. I also think Cliff will pick Michie. I think Sis will also pick Michie. Kat will pick Michie. Nicole, Nick???? Not sure. Jessica will vote for Holly. 5 votes likely for Michie. 2 toss ups. 2 for Holly (Jack and Jessica). My reasoning Tommy and Christie seem to respect the GAME. Even though Michie did them dirty. Cliff didn’t look very upset being evicted and I think he still has a close connection with Michie and probably a religious and cultural bias towards Michie. Sis seemed to acknowledge how well Michie has played the game in the jury segment. She’s been out of the game for a while so perhaps any raw feelings have subsided. Kat’s decision might depend on Nick. Kat and Nick seem to be happy right now and they are probably won’t be bitter jurors. Nick bitterness is towards Christie seemed intense when Christie arrived but I’m sure after a little time in the house that will go away. Michie has a good shot because Holly, well she played a subservient woman behind Jackson the whole time. No doubt going forward if Michie/Holly become a thing outside the house SHE WILL be that way in their relationship too. It did get her $50,000. She really has NO SHOT at winning unless she purposely makes the jury bitter towards Michie by bringing up the backstabbing that Michie did towards them. Her making it sound like all I had to do is sit back while Michie got his hands bloody and how brilliant move that was. IT ISN’T LIKE HOLLY TO BE THAT WAY. She’s very quiet and non confrontational like Nicole. Holly is even more so than Nicole. It will be interesting to see what kind of story she gives why she is entitled to the $500,000. We know what Jackson’s going to be
Noooooo! Holly won part 2. I think I just shed a tear for Nicole.
If Holly wins the part 3 comp, I hope she takes Nicole to Final 2. Come on Holly! Play your own game. Prepare a killer speech for the jury and walk away with the prize money. Don’t be afraid of Jackson’s wrath. He’s going to dump you after the show anyway.
Nicole fans are beyond pissed that she lost. I sense a new derangement syndrome coming by Wednesdays show.
Cats can’t vote.
Still the final forlorn hope, that Holly will beat Jackson in the final challenge then decide to take Nicole with her final two, Holly would instantly be loved by the world (and I’m the King of Norway) and Nicole would magically convince a jury of people who have far more of a personal relationship with Holly, that she deserved to win…a heavenly choir of unicorns descends and the world has been made whole again.
I guess we’ll never know but some folks will cling to that hope until the bitter end.
If Holly did that, that whol;e jury would give it to her in a heartbeat while openly laughing at Jackson. That would be the best finale in BB history.
I like Nicole. She grew on me the longer she stayed in the house and I think she did great with her limited abilities. It sucks that the second she had no one to carry her she faltered; bit of course the wins that she does have were basically handed to her.
If people vote Nicole AFP she is getting something handed to her again! Let’s vote for someone who actually played the game.
Nicole blew her own game. Should’ve gotten rid of Holly when you had the chance. Boy they are gonna shit bricks when they find out Jackson overheard them and flipped them. Cliff really screwed her over bad, but at the same time she let it happen. Congrats Jacky boy, you played a dirty but good game.
Nicole……this nice little girl got played by Cliff and Jackson.
The End
Poor sportsmanship goes both ways. Some of these comments! I wanted Nicole to win and my head hasn’t popped and I don’t feel a “new derangement syndrome” coming on…
It’ll be ok. Have you tried your safe space?
Have you?
I’m not complaining about the comments.
It’s an observation ass. Just like your 1000 word essays you post! I get so sick of some of you Jackson’s on here! This is a place where we come to comment! Keyboard thug! Get over yourself! Down vote that
Aunt Flo is that you?
Thug? Go back and read your own posts you hypocritical mental midget.
Oh and if you find a post of mine over 100 words I’ll give you 500k but cool story, klown
Oh touched a nerve! Ha haa! Now you can go find your safe place.
Ah no. You already blew your gasket. Like I said earlier, it’ll be ok.
although I agree with most of what you said Nicole didn’t talk crap about people behind their back.
Nicole won one legit competition all year. Why do people always just cheer for the nice person instead of cheering for someone who dominated the game. All the down votes say one reason Nicole deserved to win
She won two, the same amount as Holly (double eviction HOH and BB comics).
Cliff three the double to her so I don’t count that. If holly hadn’t thrown the other one to Nicole this would had been her 4th hoh
How do you come up with four HOH wins? Holly won Poison Ivy & rolling the ball HOHs plus part 2 of the final HOH (you need to win part 3 to be considered the final HOH)- No matter what anyone says we don’t know if she would have beat Nicole in the rotating comp. As per above I guess you are counting Part 2 as a win but it’s not an HOH win (unless she also wins part 3) it’s just a comp win and she didn’t win any POVs.
Yes Holly threw the F4 HOH but again we don’t know if Nicole would have won (she was the last female & F3 on the wall a day after she hurt her ankle). And for the umpteenth time can we stop saying Cliff threw the DE HOH to Nicole b/c he still had two pieces to insert (one was input incorrectly) & Tommy was ready to shoot as she won so Tommy would’ve won if Nicole didn’t NOT Cliff. It may be true Cliff threw the DE HOH but he didn’t throw it to Nicole (he threw it to everyone playing the comp).
TTOTambz. During that comp I thought he was also looking at Tommys pregress…to like ya know…let him get Jackson out
I couldn’t remember the exact amount. The point is if no one threw competitions Nicole would have one win. Jackson and Holly played way better games and people only want Nicole to win because she was nice and not because she deserved to win
Taking a minute to clear out the pics and charts i would send to my episode only friend. We compare our opinions and snap judgements and predictions first episode. (for the first time ever he quit watching the season. It was when Sam was evicted. He messaged me “yup this is bullshit” as his last season related message).
The reason I am even writing this is because I found my first alliance / relationship chart that I sent him. It’s good for a laugh now.
Impressions didn’t change.
It was entitled “first night feeds impressions”. sent june 27 148am.
box one: has the seven person alliance (ed. it was unknown to me that tommy was a member night one of feeds). over their pictures are the words : Twat likely win Jackson. snake holly. twit anal lice. rat bella. deluded nick. ass. jack. PSYCHOMOUTH. christie. bottom note: jackson and jack are mad at each other. these idiots. watch grod fix em up nice. she’ll have to. SHE HAS TO or this season is screwed.
the second box: the girls alliance: only works in pairs. they don’t like each other as a group.
Dimwit. jessica. goat to drag. Nicole. psycho Kat. with an arrow drawn up to bella for some reason and a frowny face. (ed. Don’t know why I thought they’d be enemies night one maybe bella was trashing her?).
the third box: the stooges: they’s gonna show those womenfolk the door to teachem how to play cus they think it’s a man’s game yessiree.: Jack, Cliff, Nick, Sam. big circle around Cliff with clown noted. LOL. line between the stooges and Christie and tommy note: they want one of them in with… why? that won’t work. they’ll get stabbed jack first please.
next box: showmances. line one Jackson Kat. line two Jack Christie with a big question mark. line three Bella, questionmark Nick questionmark Tommy. notes: is nick trying to kevinmartin the season? ugh.
next box: final 2s. nick tommy. jack nick. christie jack. bella kemi bottom note: run kemi bella toxic.
next box: they know each other?: holly kat line to jackson with 4 question marks. christie tommy.
last box: ovi. baking cookies. he’s toast. out next FOR SURE. nobody likes him.
last note at bottom of the chart: Day 8 impression: uh oh. all the darker than white people and the gay guy sleep in a room together with targets on the wall. this won’t be good for Grod. Predictions: Jackson note 🙁 after they get him out of sight and fix him. with Cliff nicole the goat maybe tommy final four note unless nick is more sly than he looks (too many alliances today).
That was day 8 chart of night one season thoughts. Made me laugh. Now to get rid of all of it.
week 2’s post hoh note was more telling of what I was thinking. ” Hey c: anyone but walmartaquaman! feeeeeeeeck (ed: changed the vowel now). ur right, thats jamie the tweaker wd not xanax. you think coke? i’m going speed4suuure. where they gonna put him to clean up until they can hero him? yeah, they got warned no more racist talk that should last a day lol. totally sam is the fungus of the season if they keep him around we’ll like him soon. u can have nick in the pool he thinks he’s 2much smarter than he is. they won’t win but today i want to like motormouth and bellatoxic??? they just remind me of those bitches we love to hate lmao. pretty sure kemi is done winkwink not cus she’s black winkwink. but reasons…… sure.”
Nice protest. Did you burn your unicorn underoos too?
Good thing he still has his Telltubbies.
Holly did a great job playing for second place. I doubt she’ll see Jackson and or the money outside the BB House Wouldn’t surprise me if he had a wife and kids. To me he’s rotten to the core.
Of course they’ll see each other. He lives with one of her friends and they have multiple friends in common. come on.
I feel like I’m reliving the last episode of Game of Thrones all over again.
Wish David made it back in the house instead of Cliff. As I recall, he had a better read on the guests and what was going on than those who weren’t in camp comeback.
Like Tyler I was terrible at pre show predictions b/c I thought David would do well. I also said Nicole/Holy were dark horses to get deep in the game BUT my David pick was way off.
Mama touched a nerve with something on that video…Jackson just commenting: Jackson says most of the people who don’t like him don’t know him. He’s scared of “spiteful” people from his past attempting to slander his name. He references the video messages and says his mom had a look in her eye indicating that he may be in trouble.
On feeds tonight:
Jackson : most of the people who don’t like me don’t know hi me.
He’s scared of “spiteful” people slandering his name.
from the video messages he says his mom had a look in her eye. He’s fearing the worst.
Sure. Anyone that doesn’t like him after the season: It’s not what he said. It’s not what he did. Nope. It’s spite. Yet again, no personal responsibility. It’s everyone else’s fault for hearing what he said and watching what he did at the beginning of the season. We just didn’t know him when he was saying those horrendous things and cheating as a have not because the rules didn’t matter. I mean…. NIkki Grahame survived a week as a have not. Let that sink in. Nikki wtfisn’twrongwithher Grahame lasted longer as a have not that Mr. I respect the game. Okay buddy. Riiiight.
I’ve been meaning to ask you – do you think any of the jurors or pre-jurors will bring up him cheating during have nots? Sam was on a podcast & brought it up & how he was on OTB the week he was evicted (& was pretty certain he was leaving) but still never cheated.
TPTB prob won’t allow it but on a live show it would be hard for them to stop it. Kemi has been saying all summer she plans on calling them out over the racist comments (but I tend to think that might mean Jack mostly). That said, she’s been Nicole’s greatest advocate so she may also elect to call out Cliff for constantly backstabbing Nicole (can you imagine Nicole’s face if that comes out on finale night live).
I think you’ll hear of cliff saying he’s dissatisfied for the pre-existing relationship thing (that he knew about for a month before he was told). I think there’s a possibility you’ll hear about things after the season that aren’t gagged by their contracts. You’ll never hear any of them complain about getting away with the cheating. You won’t hear any of them talk about the announcements production gave them during long feed outages. I think the post season will end up having two groups of people that get along with each other, but don’t get along as a whole. tbh, as far as finale night goes, they keep a pretty tight rein on what any of the evicted say. They don’t even let jurors come up with their own questions, like they’re going to let someone in 16th-12th speak their mind?
If I were in a position to give performance evaluations to the production coordination team, this is what it would look like:
Casting department: If you aren’t going to make it an official twist: don’t cast people that know each other. If you cast people that know each other: reveal all the relationships with equal pomp and circumstance on night one, or don’t do it. You look shady af. The percentage of recruits you are using is becoming untenable. Why bother having open casting at all? Recruits and social media contacts of recruits to recruit? That’s lazy casting and we both know it.
If you cast people that are drunk during their interviews, or admit to lying on their contracts with their medical releases: pull them out immediately for evaluation and/or termination for lying on their sworn contracts. If you cast people that are not allowed to have their “medications” tell them to ween slowly, not cut them cold turkey unless under strict medical supervision while in sequester right before entering the house. This is a danger to that house guest, and a danger to the other house guests if their withdrawal symptoms happen to have any possibiity toward violent incident. I’m just saying, if your medical department won’t administer their “meds”, I’m sure they have reason, but ensure safety first while getting them off of that “med”. On a different vane: While you are at it, forego casting that one obviously blatant racist every year. Come on, I know it gets you early season press, but it’s just gross to gain press in that fashion every single year. Further: Up your psych profiling for contestants, I don’t care how many former house guests they know or how many times they’ve tried out or who they look like. Do your due diligence. Stop clowning and pretending it’s normal standard and practice. It isn’t, we both know that. Do Better.
D/R department: send everyone back to do cultural bias training again. You didn’t do it right the first time. Be better. Let the houseguests be themselves in d/r, quit trying to mold them into a box with staged readings. Nobody is fooled anymore. Let it be a confessional, you might be surprised how much good stuff you get from them in their delusions about how they think they’re doing. It will be better than can you say it again, only this time kick your leg over your head. really. Tell the writers, storyline writers and continuity writers to get their act together. This try to write the season story arc before episode one and stick as close to it as possible crap? It’s lazy. It’s going to become more and more obvious if you continue with that process.
Production team: a few noticeable things: nip it in the bud with house guests talking about the hints clues and suggestions that you are giving them if you want us to believe you aren’t doing shady shit. Or don’t do the shady shit. It’s simple. It’s been happening for 3 seasons now VERY noticeably. Stifle it.
When you want to prepare the future HOH or veto holder ahead of time: don’t make it so noticeable by calling them into d/r for well over an hour the night before the comp when every other d/r call lasts ten minutes for each of the other house guests. None of them get enough d/r in a week for an over an hour d/r appointment between the wednesday and thursday episode. If even the brain trust in the house that should know what’s going on by now are mentioning it…. you aren’t covering very well at all. Be Smarter or don’t do it.
Get them to stop telling the feed cameras exactly what they did and said in d/r to complain. Again: if you don’t want it to look shady: either shut them up, or don’t do the shady crap. Your choice.
When you change precedent in your comps (ie change the variety of comps to be overwhelmingly of one nature, or change the type of comp in an obvious place in the season) for the season you are making yourselves look worse. It’s almost like you have a predetemined objective story arc in mind when you plan your comp order. Oops. Sloppy. Release full run footage (unedited from the wide angle single cam pov we know you have running as one of the three or four you use in a comp) of the individual timed comps. even if you release it as a special all access extra footage reward after the wednesday episode but before thursday’s eviction. Your feeds are down for hours on thursday anyway: the all access paying people might consider it a reward to have something new to watch during that downtime. People will stop saying you fake results of ind. time comps if you release that wide shot cam full run unedited to prove you are in the right.
Allison and Robyn: do better or go. Julie: I’ve prepared punch cards to input into your system we all know you still run off of binary card data processing.
Did I miss anything noticeable in the production process that stands out as a little odd? Or am I the only fan that feels like there needs to be improvement in the creative process?
I was thinking last night based on the past two seasons and the upward trend to make the majority of competitions physical it obviously benefits the more athletic players. Whether you agree with this year’s late game decisions or not — odds are if you know date comps are being phased out & physical ones inserted then why would you keep the players that benefits – right.
In other words, if you come into the house knowing these things next season why wouldn’t you target all the athletes. If the goal is to move away from what they historically did for 19 seasons that’s fine but don’t expect future house guests not to adjust.
I think of it like this: in the most recent season of bbcanada a four man alliance owned and ran the game. Their hand signal unfortunately was the asl sign for lesbian. I digress. After they ran the board for the season losing one member at final 5, do you think there will be a season in the next three years where everyone doesn’t walk in saying look, a bunch of alphas: they gotta go?
IF future seasons of US don’t say athletes and showmancers go line up at the door, we have our quantifiable nonvariable Grodner’s flying monkeys to thank for it. No if and or but.
Was recently reading an article that said since BB was renewed for 2020, they are already looking for more physical players because they are going to pretty much go with all physical comps. Who knows?
They should also provide live feeds with a list of the comp schedule. That way we’d all know what comp is binging played and when. So there won’t be any funny business by switching the comp to favor one of the house guests.
I’m not aware of them switching out a comp in favor of another since season 20 moving the double 4 weeks closer to finale because of the puzzle fail. Originally, the double was to be the week after the puzzle fail. I could go into the storyline projection that was to occur to go along with crazykait returning, but it wouldn’t have effect of the end of the game, just how they got there. It was extremely obvious when she failed there was an ohshit moment on behalf of the production team. They weren’t prepared for her to lose live when they send in p.a’s to test comps in order to check viability. The big change in the past two years is actually the slip and slide. they’ve condensed the runway. they’ve made the receptacle smaller, and the carrying cup bigger compared to season 17 and 18. they’ve changed it from an endurance to a power comp. Cutting out before and after completely from season in lieu of a ball roll? Finally, they should show people where the sensor is in the boat / magic carpet they use on the bayleigh and tommy special for that stupid slide comp. the sensor that trips the eye beam at the finish line to stop the clock. that would cut the number of people screen capping wheels crossing the line. It’s not the wheels. it’s the sensor that is behind the wheel in the centre near their feet on the under carriage imo.
Now… did they move the double this season to be closer to the end (not add in comps, but make the decision to change the order of two comps)? In my opinion they did. In order to have greater control of the outcome, by having less participants and less voters, they are able to push forward their story. We’ve had two filler episodes in three weeks. There was a shift somewhere.
Bit of a Cliff rant……
I think Cliff was very good at manipulating & “selling”. He rode his “My word is stronger than oak” comments after his first HOH when he let Christie keep her power & put up Bella. The ONLY person that truly upset at the time was Nick (and even he didn’t seem that annoyed – i.e. he adjusted quickly). If I had been aligned with Cliff in the game THAT action would’ve had me wanting to cut him lose immediately b/c it proved he was singular in his actions & would never consider his allies only himself.
If we glance back Cliff buried ANYONE who was close to him and the truth is he ONLY started pushing his closeness to Nicole once Nick was evicted. Yet another case of where Cliff was evicting people b/c he was closer to their top ally (Nicole in this situation) b/c he thought he could beat her. The irony of course is Cliff probably never expected she would win DE or BB comics immediately after. And also why he constantly BURIED her to Jackson – b/c he couldn’t risk that brotherly-sisterly bond surpassing his relationship with J. If Cliff could’ve swayed Jackson to vote out Tommy he would’ve b/c HE was closer to Christie (but he had J/H/N all wanting her out over Tommy so he couldn’t win that battle). Moreover, Jackson bought his “word & promises” and although we know he didn’t appreciate the “jury vote” comments from Cliff I still think he was more upset with Cliff the week prior b/c that was the first signs Cliff was as shady as he is.
I don’t mind a diabolical player I just want them to OWN they are diabolical. And even though I may not have appreciated some things Jackson did in truth he was much more loyal than Cliff. For example, whether Jackson’s strategy were wise (telling Jack to cut Christie/Tommy/Sis) I still believed Jack was his true F2, Holly his backup, Cliff the next backup & Nicole his 4th (although again I think she moved ahead of Cliff as they got closer) In fact, I felt his relationship with Nicole was more genuine than Cliff’s. I could be completely wrong but he truly seemed happy joking around with her (pie smashing, verbal interactions, picking up the cards, as examples). Whereas Cliff just struck me as the most self motivated person in the house – as long as he was moving forward he didn’t care who he screwed over.
As for post show – I’m sure Nicole will be very disappointed but true to form she’ll get over it. If Jackson loses he’ll be equally salty with Cliff & likely blame him.
When I look at my preferences over the years I tend to lean toward strategist but I also like humorous players, respect comp beasts & have to admit I’m like many who love a good underdog story. It’s probably why I liked Paul (first season only), Judd in his season & Brittney Hayes (again first season). Still, my favorite is Dr. Will, loved Janelle being a female comp beast, also loved Danielle Reyes (though some found her diabolical). I respect Dan’s game and although I didn’t enjoy Derrick “managing” everyone I gave credit where credit was due.
Anyway, long winded post to say I was never a big Cliff fan, never bought his shtick and grew to dislike him more as the show progressed. He not only tried to snow all the hamsters, he also tried to snow the viewers with his “Cliff notes” & constant play to the cameras. Disingenuous is the word that comes to mind.
For that reason, I’m not sure he’ll vote for Jackson (though he should), ever take responsibility for ruining Nicole’s game or OWNING how singularly driven his game play was. We also know even though he rode Jackson’s coattails he was hoping someone would take a shot at him so he wouldn’t have to do it personally. He certainly didn’t own it when Julie pointed things out to him. I guess the only question is whether he’ll change his tune once he doesn’t win AFP. I actually hope he drops out of the top 3 for AFP so he realizes how many fans aren’t impressed by him. Even Tommy who ostracized people early and was fake af most of the game I’d be more comfortable with. Hopefully Nicole wins AFP and a combo of Kat, Sam, Tommy or Kemi finish in the other two spots b/c my hopes are Cliff gets his comeuppance.
Still, knowing Cliff, once he realizes how popular Nicole is he’ll backtrack & come up with some fake spiel to cover his ass. I also won’t be surprised if he learns Jackson is unpopular if he abandons ship & buries him too. That would be such a Cliff thing to do.
I started watching with season 3. skipped out on some of the post ten to 15 seasons (catching up with an episode here or there and saying they’ve jumped the shark if i can catch up on the season with 2 episodes watched). Watched again as of 16.
There is some really good stuff to watch from seasons 3-6 that is a much better intro to strategic big brother than the seasons they give house guests to watch in sequester now.
COMPLETELY agree 🙂
Danielle Reyes was masterful. In All-Stars when Will/Boogie were “fake” working with her & took her down that whole segment of the show was a master class (between Will & Danielle that is —- I never liked Mike Boogie lol).
Cliff should be banned from the vote, he’s a moron…
worst season of BB ever!!!!!!! that’s all. Nicole AFP
Based on chats tonight “outside perception” is on the hamsters minds.
Holly told Nicole she wonders if “they” (her/Jackson) are viewed as the villains this season and/or if she personally looks dumb for being with him. Jackson jokingly told Holly – Nicole was trying to get him to take her to F2 & how she would tell the jury to vote for him if he did (although he quickly told Holly he was just kidding). That may or may not have spurred Holly into her current mindset (maybe taking Nicole). It could all be Holly blowing smoke to get Nicole’s vote or her genuinely considering the option.
As for Jackson, he’s been on edge since the hamsters got their family videos (btw – its a bit weird they didn’t air them tonight no?). He keeps saying it was a “look” in his mother’s eyes but when hamsters say things like this after getting letters or seeing videos I always wonder if they pre-establish a “code word”.
Still seems like a moot point with the showmance taking each other but DR/TPTB will likely work J/H this week to have them questioning taking each other. In Holly’s case it’s a bit simpler – will the jury just see you as riding his coat tails, he was the one who fought for you to stay vs. Tommy (not her) and despite bitterness many have said they’ll vote for him.
In Jackson’s case I doubt he moves off Holly b/c he can say I had one F2 partner (Jack) but once he was evicted I put all my faith in Holly although we never made an official F2 I remained committed (this to show the jury he WAS loyal & only moved off Cliff after they first considered breaking the deal). One interesting development is he admitted to Nicole he lied about Tommy. Presumably he is managing her for jury & already thinking about how he will spin his answers to Tommy/jury about that move. *note Nicole NEEDS to tell Holly he divulged that information.
As for Nicole she also has options – work Holly about making her own move & that cutting Jackson at F2 would be the biggest move of the season. And also push how so many jurors said they’d vote for him even if they weren’t close or happy how he got there. And for Jackson she needs to subtly try to sell how many people love Holly in jury (Kat – F2, Jess, Tommy for example) & how many might hold a grudge (Sis/Christie/Tommy/Cliff).
Holly hasn’t performed well in the memory comps so Jackson has the edge on the scales BUT Holly may know certain jurors better & be able to figure out what they might say. Ultimately, I don’t think Jackson deviates & it seems unlikely Holly would want to face his wrath if she did. If I had to guess I’d say she’s 20-80 at this stage (and again the more successful Nicole can sell the choice & DR pushes it we may see it shift). I’ve heard Nicole mention she’s watched BB Canada & if she’s smart she’ll tell Holly how John cut Neda at F3 which was smart b/c it cemented the win for him & they still became a couple post BB.
Regardless of what happens I still think its a moot point b/c like most comps this season I think Jackson wins Part 3.
If the scales are how well you knew the other houseguests: name a time or a story another houseguest told where Jackson didn’t interrupt it to tell his own story. i’m semi joking. By the same token, name one that holly’s preconceptions aren’t going to color (meangirl dirt collection, always looking for the hard edge to a soft story to turn on them). i’m semi joking again. Given that the two have restructured events of the season in their minds, showing themselves as being the reacting victims never plotting anything dirty… will the questions be from the revision or events as they actually happened?
Jackson admitted to lying about Tommy to Nicole for one reason: he doesn’t know how long she’ll spend with jurors and what she’ll hear when he sends her out. He wants to soften what could be a bitter reaction from Nicole. Just like telling Holly he needs to go manage Nicole after part two. Holly. Holly cutting Jackson if she wins? no. Sorry. magic eight ball says it’s going to take allllllll of Grodner’s twisted pixie dust and sleepy poppies for that to happen. Her flying monkeys have helped stockholm her too well. They’d have to pull out some hefty stops. If she’s worried about being viewed as riding coat tails, she should be more worried about the perception that she rode something else all season.
I’m less concerned about code words than I am about the season long oddness of production’s involvement with Jackson’s image fix for the season. This includes the ‘he said in d/r comments’ we’ve heard three times. either he’s using other people’s d/r (and therefore production) as a strategy and is making stuff up, or somebody has been telling him what others say in d/r in order to prepare him for what will be on episodes. Either way, it should have been called out, but much like the have not fiasco, not called out.
Have you ever asked yourself what happened in d/r in final five week? Not just in the two days leading up to eviction, but in the four hours between the house meeting and the discussion in the bathroom, and the one hour between the discussion in the bathroom and the boat room? You can tell by their clothing in that episode that they did d/r that day. I’m still of the mind Cliff would be the buffoon. I’m wondering how much suggestive questioning was going on though. We know suggestive questioning happens. There’s that whole Christie biting the hand that feeds ‘we don’t have to listen to them, people, when they are pushing us to do things’ talk to the group a couple of weeks earlier.
I was rooting for the underdogs, but ultimately, there were opportunities to take out the power couple and they survived. So, all the power to Holly & Michie. I guess we’ll see if the jury is bitter, or votes on game play (including lying).
Nicole got some serious bullying this season. She still kept her head, and really started to play in the second half. Unfortunately Cliff was her alter ego, and his loyalty was to Michie. Plus Michie has been working Nicole over with the nice guy routine. If Cliff had gone earlier, I think she’d have made better moves and the showmance would have been split up.
Did anyone watch BBcan2 with showmance Jon Pardy and Neda. At the last minute Jon decided Neda wouldn’t take him to final 2 {and she wasn’t going to}. Jon took the other player and won .
BBCAN2 was greatness
Last minute? I remember him discussing it with the other finalist a week before at final four. He said he’d never win with her, but he had a shot with Sabrina. She thought she’d changed his mind (durrrrr).
(around 5:25-5:45 this morning and well since seeing the videos…God I wish I could sleep longer lol)
Jackson telling Holly that he has done some things in the past that he needs to talk to her about when they get out. Holly just listening, then Jackson got out of bed and said he should have never told her anything. Jackson to Holly: “I’m just stressing about how I’m being portrayed. ….. I’m just stressing about how this show is portraying me. Holly: I know.” And then they went to sleep.
Momma has really got him worked up, and the only reasons I can see for him not “telling her” about the “past” things is 1. He’s afraid if she wins she won’t pick him as F2. 2. Its pretty bad and he figures either a. she will dump him (cant see that scenario since dont see him sticking with her) or b. its legal issues that people have been posting about and his butt could be in trouble once out of there. Will see if they continue to talk today and under the pressure of the backyard being shut down to them again (they get antsy when that happens).
Nicole should hide Holly’s makeup mirror, I have seen more pictures of that blocking her face than I have her actual face. This season can’t end fast enough. I voted for the sex stool again. It was that kind of year. 10 years from now people will recall three things that happened in BB21,
1. The sex stool was passed around from couple to couple and no this wasn’t a porno
2. Someone ate 3000 watermelons
3. Two dumb asses took a showmance to the final three
“This season can’t end fast enough.”
Channel change or power buttons on the remote.
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I think the jury deliberation with Dr Will and order of votes will be important. Plenty of lemmings I can see swayed if a Cliff comes in hot and anti-Jackson, or vice versa.
I expect Christie and Tommy will respect game and support Jackson and sway votes.
Christie, Tommy, Cliff, Jack, Nick, Jess and Nicole vote Jackson.
Kat and Sis vote Holly.
I hope Sam is AP, but fear it will be pity vote for Cliff.
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Everything happens for a reason and that reason is production wanted them to win so they switched the competitions. That last few were obviously geared towards Jackson, like the sling-shot. I’m so sick of their meddling!!!!
I guess it’s better than Christie winning, who was their first choice, but after weeks on the block, they couldn’t mess with the double eviction so they had to change course. I’m sure they persuaded Cliff that keeping Holly would help him.
And if you removed the physical portion of that challenge and left it with just the puzzle, Nicole’s strength, Jackson would have come in first, Holly would have come in second and Nicole would have come in third.
BINGO!
It’s always truly amazed me just how emotionally invested (and emotionally overwrought) some people can become over a TV show. Road rage for tv viewers.
“Leave Brittany alone!!!!!”
This is gonna sound totally stupid but I do not get live feeds. What is the whole stool reference stuff about… Cliff note version will work- no Cliff pun intended