3 PART FINAL HOH
HOH Part 1 Morgan / Ashley / Vinny
HOH Part 1 Winner: Morgan
HOH Part 2: Vinny & Ashley
HOH Part 2 Winner: ?
HOH Part 3: Morgan & ?
HOH Part 3 Winner: ?
Morgan wins part one of the final Head of Household competition.
Ashley and Morgan have a talk about Vince how ashley notices he looks at Morgan a certain way.
2:30 am the conversations are starting between Morgan and Vinnie over final 2.
Vince is being hard on himself. He’s worried about coming in third and everyone hating him. He broke so many promises.
2:50 am AShley crawls into bed exhausted from doing so much this season.
4:00 am Morgan sleeping
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NOTES:
Final HOHPart ONE won by Morgan
Ava gbm and glib answer to Julie. She assumed the trio were working together.
After the last couple of days where they were in HOH and she wasn’t… not much of a breadcrumb trail to follow. What i noted as surprise was Will being included without Ava.
She was final 2 with both Will and Rachel and she was not included in their alliance. Reminder: this was the alliance inception idea that caused problems because the alliance perpetually counted on Ava’s vote without inclusion… which led Rachel to her strongarming tactics during the one minute of campaigning during eviction votes.
Morgan image cleanup? She was talking to Ashley about the ‘showmance’ and being surprised anyone would think that.
Looks left. Looks right. shrugs. Yeah, cus on feeds and national television, sharing a bed with a guy that is in a relationship isn’t a HUGE fricken red flag. Pull the other one Nagini… or given that she now has jokes… Skanky the Clown. She walked in WANTING that showmance… and apparently has absolutely no standards or ethics so chose a whining weasel cheater. So why is she cleaning image? Zings don’t happen like hers if it’s viewed as a positive thing.
My view: flirting and mancing for game i have no problem with if it is owned and well… if it’s sngle people involved. Morgan refuses to admit her game. Therefore i judge her even more than i would anyway.
Her argument that Vince requires emotional support? no. Morgan requires absolute devotion and absolute control. That’s why her other final 2’s were so easy for her to turn on… they didn’t play with Morgan’s best interest in mind. But neither did Vince once week 9 hit. Given history, and the fact that Vince didn’t put Morgan’s game over Vince’s game week 9… if it isn’t a showmance why is he still in the game? Jimmy and Mickey and Zack would like a word.
What did Keanu say the parameters of Vince’s supposed hallpass were? No kissing no sharing a bed. The ex gf denies that permission was ever given btw. But even so… I contend Vince knew he was dumped before HOH week 10. That’s when the bedshare started. He’d already embarrassed and humiliated her on national tv, but things went beyond the parameters after the brother letter in HOH with zero gf pictures. How much he’ll still claim it was jealousy and she misunderstod? it wasn’t. she didn’t.
He better get Christined… because this one sided blamegame shit on bb has to stop.
do you view smashley as dragged no-win-equity production plant or pet that did nothing this season but exist And how do you perceive all the claims that she clocked people along do you think her first veto was a setup dub — and the proclaimed clocking like Rachel, for example when she tried to claiming she was right about vince even though she attempted to work with him at multiple points unlike the i told so that cody could claim with paul
I think she is one of those people that walks in playing the production game. Little surprise since she was a former intern for paramount and had a friend that was on another season that she would be aware that playing with production keeps someone around longer.
Her game.
Social game to me is gaining trust and having access to information in order to maintain safety and manipulate the outcomes around you. TO ME that is social game.
Ashley was not trusted by 3/4 of the house at any given time. The only reason she was not targeted after week one is she was considered a weak move because she sucked at comps. That was not by design. Can you call yourself a social game master if the only reason you aren’t evicted already is because nobody thinks your eviction is a big enough move as a resume builder? One could argue she played dumb. Did she also intentionally play untrustworthy and disliked either as a game player or a person by at least 6 houseguests?
What MOVES did she engineer and make? Judges? That was Will. Saving herself from the block week three? That was Mickey and Jimmy and Vince hem-hawing because he had to be middle and Morgan didn’t want Ashley on the block. Ashley had very little to do with saving Ashley. Even the ‘deal’ she made wasn’t her.. that was Jimmy.
Did she engineer a single eviction?
Name a time Ashley controlled an HOH through social manipulation.
Reads?
I contend that saying people that spend 1/2 the day together are easy to spot as tied together in the game. It’s always odd to me when people DON’T have the lay of the land in terms of social dynamics and game ties in many seasons.
So what WAS her game? Ashley was a gossip that constantly bused her allies to each other. Diid she do that well? Sure but to what end considering most of the time it didn’t actually do anything but weaken the social bedrock support to her own game.
Ashley was Kelley level instigating against her own allies, but that is part of what led to everyone thinking she was untrustworthy.
Comp wise? Did you see her performance in most HOH, veto and blockbusters? Even quick shot editing couldn’t make her look invested most of the time.
Week one to four i thought Ashley was getting the Chelsie edit from 26… until i determined it was actually Morgan more following the Chelsie pattern.
If she won? We would HAVE to consider bitter jury syndrome when we look at what jurors valued in the game.
The I only won comps i needed to argument falls flat when she was on the block after Block buster and after veto in weeks where she wasn’t assured safety. She needed those comp wins to ensure her safety and failed.
Will votes Ashley over Vince. We know what he said when peach cobbler was created. Will values social over comps.
Rachel? A former comp beast type values wins. It would mean raised eyebrow to see Rachel voting for Ashley… but we have the da’vonne precedent.
Against Vince Ashley can get votes. Against Morgan? Less likely.
People that value comps wins:
Rachel Keanu Lauren
People that value social game by a definition i don’t get (likeability)
Ava, Will
Who the hell knows factor?
Kelley.
Most likely to look well rounded?
Rachel and MAYBE Kelley maybe even Lauren???
Most likely to vote Bitter?
Keanu, Kelley, maybe even Ava.
If it’s Ashley v Vince, then Vince loses because you can argue the value of winning but it will be rubbed out due to Vince lying to each and every player in the house. Now had Vince been in a situation like Keanu where he would have had to win each week to stay alive without the protection of 2 different woman and an alliance covering his butt, then he would have an argument. He could say yea I lied, I cheated, I did whatever I had to to get here and I did it on my own without cover or help. YEA, But we all know that’s BS
But what can Ashley argue? Vince may be a liar, but he at least won FOUR HOH’s and was instrumental in sending Kelley, Keanu and Ava to jury, and Zae, Adrian and Katherine home. You can even make the argument he was instrumental in sending Rylie home by influencing Lauren to use the Veto on him, during a week he really didn’t need it, which caused Rachel to put up Rylie and poof he was gone.
Can Ashley make any arguments like that? All she can hope for is that people vote against Vince because they’re bitter, and don’t vote based on game play.
I don’t like Vince, but an Ashley win would be a travesty for the game, given she didn’t even play it.
Here are my hesitancies regarding Ashley from a production notes point of view.
Week 2 Week 3 and Week 4. In every one of those weeks Ashley had a zero d/r count in an episode. In ONE of those weeks we know she was in peril but saved from the block by others more than her own doing… and she’s got a zero d/r episode???
If following a story from premiere to finale as a houseguest’s story arc… don’t you think having zero d/r in a week where she was very nearly a renom is… fishy? Prodo would want to show how she was part of her own salvation. Instead she has a zero d/r episode. That makes me hesitate.
Week 1-4 she was the one i thought was in final 2 and i didn’t like it. It was because she was getting what i considered the early Chelsie edit (the ‘at risk but not at risk week one edit with mugging for the cameras and cam talking and just over all feed vibe). Week 4 i shifted my focus to Morgan because sure in week 4 and week 7 she had a zero d/r event… but those were during the eviction episodes. Not everyone gets a d/r in an eviction episode. Feeds spent HOW much time supersaturating our eyes and ears with Morgan and Vince or Morgan and Zack or Morgan and Vince and Zack or Morgan and Mickey???? WAY TOO MUCH. Too much as in man she better hope she doesn’t have a grating personality… oops too much.
Not surprised about this.
Let’s hope Shower Girl can beat Vince next round. That comp should be based on memorizing past comp events.
They just did a comp based on memorizing the past comp events for the final 4 veto. I doubt they’ll do a repeat just 3 or 4 days later.
Yea, if it’s anything physical then it’s fixed for a Vince Morgan showdown..they said Vince was winning by 20 minutes and wound up losing to Ahley…HE CHOCKED……
I’ve watched since season 1. Never been so disappointed and that’s saying a lot.
Me too…
I had to make myself watch the show last night. I FF through everything but the comps and the interviews with Julie. I’m glad Keanu was brought back for his. And he noticed how the crowd cheered. I’m thinking production felt like they had to bring him on because America loves him.
Not shocked at all about this comp win. Morgan is winning the game unless there are 4 bitter jury members that would vote for Ashley, if Morgan takes her. But, I think she will take Vinnie because most of the jury would not vote for him.
I hope I don’t have to eat my words Sunday.
They should just save us the aggony of having to hear Morgan yap and Vinnie whine, and just crown Morgan the winner.. so ready for this season to be over.
They never showed any of the first part of the HOH like they used to on the feeds. How effing lame is that!
I know it was always a fun comp to watch
CBS should NOT be allowed to advertise 24/7 stream. False advertising
It is BS. Not for nothing and may not be a popular opinion but morgan needs to dump whiny Vince and she deserves to win. Ashley has done NOTHING.
I’m not a fan of no live comps except the blockbuster.
I think I just threw up a little ?
Can someone fill me in on what Morgan meant right after eviction when we were listening in on the houseguest, when she said, “there was an alternate named Ava.” Then they reminded her they were still live. Like it wasn’t supposed to be mentioned.
It means someone was cast before Ava and she was just an alternative
Maybe they quit or got covid who knows
Almost every season has one alternative making it through
Check the BB Wiki “Lost Contestants” for more info
Can’t talk about production. She thinks Ava was the person who did ever the first night. It was Amy.
So much for Vince being super good at endurance competitions. Did he give that to Morgan because I really expected him to win Part 1 and then Morgan to win Part 2 (and later on Part 3 most likely)?
It’s obvious most hate Morgan (if not everyone in the F3 smh) but I can’t hate her. I can dislike her at times but she earned this likely Big Brother jury vote. She won so many competitions and was loyal to a handful of people (especially the two in the F3 with her). Compared to the other two she is so deserving of the win.
It really should be 7-0 no matter who she takes. Now if Ashley or Vince win final HOH then they should absolutely evict her (she would join Janelle/Vanessa as people who should and likely would have won if they just won that final HOH) but they have to beat her first and I have serious doubts they will.
DON’T even try putting her up with Janelle and Vanessa! NO comparison.
Not even close. Janelle and Vanessa actually had competition. Morgan had Keanu in her way. That was it.
Those part 3 comps always seem to be “crap shoot” comps to me because they’re usually “How well do you know your fellow house guests” comps, and it’s usually a 50/50 shot at guessing what they said or how they answered a question. I think it’s a Bullshit way of determining the final HOH.
I can’t stand any of the three of them, so I don’t care who wins. Ashley for sure doesn’t deserve to win, as she’s done nothing in the game. The other two at least won comps, put people up, and impacted who went home and to jury.
I’m not sure why Vince thinks he will come third, if he loses part 2 and Morgan and Ashley takes each other or if he wins part 2 and Morgan beats him in final round and takes Ashley; he will be surprised that even Keanu beats him too when he is crowned America Favourite Player.
Nothing would thrill me more than Vince coming in third. It would serve him freekin’ right, he’d deserve it big time.
Where is the month of mayhem? Mastermind you failed us. I can’t believe they have been stabbing Keanu from day one in the game and you know Keanu had no chance of surviving and you allowed them to stab him in his heart. That’s not mayhem. That’s cruelty. Not to mention what you did to Rachael. Mastermind you are fired!
Keanu and Rachel were the entire season.. Zzz I’ll tune in next summer
Good lord… Ashley come on girl win
It is sad seeing poor Ashley so tired after trying to actually compete in one full competition.
On a positive note, we don’t have to watch Ava gnaw and chew her food like a wildebeest on the feeds
Or show off her disgusting (and probably rancid smelling) hairy pits!
That lady, and I use that term loosely, has no shame!
I hope this season makes people question the importance of comp wins.
Yes, Morgan has won 5 veto, HOH’s, whatever. But how many people was she actually competing against? And WHO was her competition?
Yeah yeah, a win is a win, but let’s not pretend she’d have pulled this off in a normal season with logical players making rational choices.
She still deserves the win over Vince, and Ashley. No argument here. But she’s no legend. Sorry. And if Ashley wins, I won’t act all indignant as if Morgan was robbed. This has been a crapshoot of a season, and not one player demonstrated a mastery of comps, strategy, and social game.