Quick Big Brother Spoilers
Head of Household: Vinny
Nominees: Mickey, Ava, Kelley
POV Players: Vince, Mickey, Ava, Kelley, Will, Keanu
POV Winner: Mickey
Veto Ceremony: Mickey used the veto on herself and Vince put Katherine in her place.
Havenots: Will, Ashley, Morgan
7:35pm HOH room – Vinny and Lauren
Vinny – I know. That’s why it seems so backwards and everything that I’m doing right now sounds like it’s just detrimental to your game. But I promise if he watches back, it’s going to, it’s going to make way more sense than it does right now. I promise. I know right now visually it looks like I’m a f**king moron and a weasel, but I tell you, I think I think strategically this is going to pay off. And I might look like a f**king moron and I’ll have to live with myself, but every fiber in my being told me to just say f**k it. And I had a whole speech ready. Just put Rachel up. But people started saying they were going to evict Ava over Rachel at this point. Lauren – who said that? Vinny – Everybody.. Mickey, Morgan, Will. She has to be in there. She absolutely has to be in there, no matter who she’s sitting. What is the reason? Because she’s so knowledgeable in this game, and she’s going to make sure that the jury is not voting emotionally and they’re going to vote strategically for the best player of this game, which I think is bullsh*t. She’s going to sway the vote against whoever she wants because I’m sorry, because those people are playing a strategically masterful game. They want to make sure that whoever votes is voting for the person that’s strategically doing the best in the game.. Apparently. Lauren – What do you mean? Vinny – I know. And that got in my head too, because It’s like, I know it. It kind of almost sounds selfish too. But if I’m being offered some kind of deal and everyone around me is telling me that she’s guaranteed to make it to that point anyways, I might as well make this deal try to protect both of us. And when it gets to that jury point. If I don’t take it, Ashley never votes for me, Rachel never votes for me, and that’s 2 out of 4 guaranteed. Ashley is getting picked up. And placed in jury for doing sh*t.. jack sh*t. She was cast. She entered the house. Her feet didn’t even touch the ground. They just went here is a free pass. Here you go. Do nothing! Here! Play big brother! Perfect! That’s what she’s doing. Do literally do this. Do nothing. Excellent. Let’s reward you. Excellent. Well done. Now you get to pick who wins. It f**king infuriates me.
Vinny – Yeah, it’s not a good feeling having anybody hate you. I know I don’t. I don’t live this way in my normal life. Lauren – I know. Vinny – I don’t scheme. I don’t lie. I don’t backstab people. I know I have a very, very, very big moral compass, a massive conscience. Lauren – I know, I know you do. Vinny – I have a massive conscience, like oversized. I feel guilt for the most minuscule things. Lauren – yeah. Vinny – And I talked about that even in like casting, like even in the process of getting here, what’s the hardest thing that’s going to be for you? My fucking conscience, my values, what I’m trying to do, separating of trying to win a game versus dealing with real people’s lives and putting them in danger. And it’s part of the game that you have to be willing to cut ties with people. Lauren – Yeah. Vinny – That’s fucking hard.
7:53pm HOH room – Morgan and Vinny
Vinny – she (Lauren) is worried about her game. She said in the in the past three weeks, all that’s happened is Zach goes home, Rylie goes home, Kelley or Katherine are going home. That’s three allies that are all very valuable allies, and it’s just knocking one at a time. Morgan – I know there’s nothing you can do. Vinny – I know. I mean, I’m obviously responsible for this one. Morgan – Well, but to be fair, her being upset that Zach left, you were right next to him. Vinny – I know. Morgan – So sorry. I’m just like a little bit more on the tough love side when it comes to that because it’s like, Zach left, yes, but you voted for Vince to stay. Rylie left, yes. But you voted for Vince to stay. Or like, you, you voted Vince to stay. So, like, these are also choices that she’s made as well. She’s taken part in all of them. I can’t imagine how much he regrets.
Morgan – I think, I mean, I get Lauren’s upset about it but at the same time you’re not going to throw away your game for her. Vinny – I know. I know. Morgan – And she could still like, to be honest. This is the thing. This is where I don’t really feel bad. In a sense. And I say this because Ava is cool with Lauren and Katherine and Kelley. But Ava’s also cool with Will and with Ashley. She has navigated herself to still have connections in the house where her game isn’t over. Lauren has not been doing that. She doesn’t talk to Will. She hardly talks to Ashley. She scared as f**k of
Rachel. She doesn’t talk to Mickey. She barely talks to me. Like it’s no one’s fault. Vinny – I know. So you can’t feel bad, and I’m not gonna allow you to feel bad. I know you came here to win this game, Vince. I know you didn’t come here to make her game easier. These are her decisions.
Vinny – I know. Morgan – You know? Like, I know it’s really hard. And I’m not even saying that to be harsh. Like, that’s just the way the game’s been going. If she feels like it’s a personal attack, she has to kind of like, do self reflection. If you would have put up Rachel, your game would have exploded in your face. Vinny – yeah.
8:20pm – 8:31pm Hammock – Kelley and Katherine
Kelley – If you make it this week, what are your plans for next week? Would you work with Keanu or no? Katherine – I mean. I don’t fucking know if I get HOH, I’m doing whatever the f**k I want to do.
Kelley – I feel bad for Rachel’s daughter. What a role model. Katherine – I think it was funny, I mean like I guess it depends on what she’s been saying and her like sessions too, but the whole Rylie thing, like everything’s like look.. there’s a showmance. Its like that’s why like your mom and I were like isn’t that so cute. And then its like Rachel puts him on the block and he’s like.. Kelley – Mommy just broke a 23 year old’s heart. I mean there was a reason why she was not liked during her seasons. Katherine – oh yeah clearly everyone here is just a f**King idiot. Kelley – I agree. Katherine – I’ve never liked her. Kelley – and that’s why we’re on the bottom. She’s dragging Will along. Katherine – Will don’t care. Kelley – dragging Ava along. Ava don’t care. Dragging Ashley along. Ashley don’t care. Mickey thinks she’s in charge. She’s not in charge. Rachel’s in charge. Kelley – I don’t think I’ll ever forgive Vince. Katherine – I don’t think I’ll ever forgive Rachel. I can’t believe I was this close to being HOH and now I’m on the block. Kelley – you should have made a deal. Katherine – He told me after he won that I was guaranteed safe. So what the f**ks the difference when he made a deal on the wall versus he told me after he won that I was safe, either way it would have been a f**king lie. His word means nothing, he’s proven that 3 times. Katherine – I don’t want to go home Kelley. They just sent Rylie home and now I’m up.. It’s mean. Kelley – I mean they just sent Adrian home, blindsided.. and then I was up the next day for a full week, used as a weapon to get Keanu out.. The only one who voted with me aside from you and Rylie.
8:40pm HOH room – Vinny and Lauren
Vinny – I don’t know if that looks like I’m hiding from them, but I just view it as like I want to give them space to process and breathe and then talk to me when they’re ready on their terms. He was kind enough to at least give me a hug afterward, where Kelley stormed past me. I think I should try to talk to her tonight or wait till tomorrow? Lauren – Maybe you could just? If you wanted to talk to her tonight, just be like, all right, you know what I could do after I leave is I could go and I’d be like, hey, do you want to go talk to Vinny tonight or you not want to? And I could send her up. And if she doesn’t come and she doesn’t want to.. Vinny – yeah.
Lauren – so who would Mickey put up? Vinny – probably Keanu. Lauren – she would not put up Katherine. Vinny – well I don’t know.. are they cool again? Or are they close? Lauren – Katherine is like kind of making it seem like they are to save things. Vinny – who would Ava put up? Lauren – Ava wouldn’t put me up. Vinny – she would probably put me up. Will puts Keanu and me up.. and probably you or Kelley.
9pm Backyard Couches – Will, Rachel, Ava, Ashley, Katherine and Kelley are talking about past seasons of big brother.
10pm HOH room – Vinny and Katherine
Vinny – I just don’t even. I don’t know. Honestly, I’ve kind of just accepted that this is not the way that I envisioned my game going when I pictured myself playing this. And if this is the way it ends, then I have to live with it. It’s a scary thought, but it’s I’m almost so fed up and exhausted with this game because I can’t keep up with this sh*t that some of them are doing. That it makes me just like whatever happens next week, cool. I’ll live with it. And then she’ll look like the a$$hole, not me. Well, no. Not even I look like the a$$hole because I believed it. And I put a friend on the block. That’s backwards. That makes me look like an a$$hole. Katherine – on the bright side at least I don’t have to be in jury with Rachel. Vinny – you’re not going anywhere.
11:45pm Backyard – Morgan, Ashley, Mickey, Rachel, Lauren and Katherine are chatting about decorating for the holidays and other seasonal traditions.
12:15am – 12:34am Backyard – Morgan and Mickey are walking back and forth in the backyard chatting about what it will be like when they get out and have access to their phones and social media. Morgan starts talking about Zach. Morgan about Zach – We talked about everything. I was like so first and foremost, I was like, I want to kind of talk about this whole love triangle thing that exists. I was like, because I was like, was I attracted to you? Yes. I was like, did I ever come on to you? No. Mickey – Yeah. MOrgan – I don’t do all of that. I was like, I don’t know what you were saying. I was like, but I did not know about you and Lauren thing I heard it was a rumor. I asked you guys, both you guys, both of you didn’t want to show me hands. I was like, and let’s be real. You were also flirting with me. So of course I’m going to return that. I was like, however. When I realized that you and Lauren were a thing, I was like, I turned that shit off. So I backed away. So I don’t know where your thoughts were. But I need you to know that, like I’m trying to just work with you on a on a friendship player level. There is no interest here. Mickey – Exactly. Morgan – And like, let’s just leave it up because like whatever is circulating or had been circulating before was not true. It was a false narrative. Mickey – Which I agree with that.
Rachel joins them. They start studying the past events of the season..
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Vinny’s done lost his mind. He’s not making any sense, he’s making up scenarios that are non existent. He’s allowing everyone to get in his head. I mean, Ava was a better HOH. At least she made better choices; however, I still think Ashley should have went up. Mickey was controlling her HOH too. There are a lot of female bullies this season.
I agree, it’s hard to combat one bully much less 4. I didn’t like how Will even told him if he puts up Rachel or Ashley he will have a problem with him and will feel betrayed. They all suck.
Will and his peach cobler game is getting old. He can leave now too with Rachel medusa Mickey Ashley! They are all just jealous and petty. What the hell is wrong with all of them just bending over for Rachel. They think they are so cool what they are doing and playing such a great game which is so infuriating. In the have not Room right now Morgan, Mickey and Will think that Keanu was bullying Vince today in the gym. Just unbelievable. After Vince clearly backstabbed keanu and the 4 again and effectively killed his/their game.
Y’all are too loose with the bully label.
There has only been one bully, Mickey, and I think she may be calming down now.
Big Brother is NOT a rainbows and butterflies type of game.
It’s rats in a cage, fighting for their lives and it’s why we’re still watching, 25 years later.
Go back and watch Janelle’s first 2 seasons??
I stand by my definition of a bully! ?????
People keep throwing around the bully word this season. They’re not bullys, they’re literally just playing the game. Big Brother back in the day wasn’t all this hearts and flowers, everyone vote with the house bullshit. People were cutthroat and it was great, and made for good TV!
the difference is that people drew that line in the sand like week 1 or 2. These people are bullies b/c they pretended like they were with you and then they turned on you. You think the ostracizing of Kelley isn’t bully like? This has been happening for a few years. The caliber of people they are getting is disgusting. I think Rachel said it best, these people are fake. Yep, in the early seasons you knew who you had a problem with and you didn’t disguise it. That’s what the problem is.
Rachel did say it best. Except for Mickey, they are NOT bullies. They are FAKE. Sarah was right. There have been plenty of bullies in Bb history, some quite recently. But, this season’s cast started out by making fake final2s with almost everyone else & that lends itself to a season of FAKE. Keanu was OTB more than Kelley, but he wasn’t bullied. Kelley hasn’t been bullied either, except by the schoolyard bully, Mickey. And Kelley has been the biggest instigator in the house, constantly making up lies to cause animus between & among her fellow houseguests, all the while laughing àt those whose anger she created. After each instigation, she would brag about how much trouble she was stirring up for everyone else. She was constantly lying about the others & they weren’t nice, cute lies. They were mean, vile lies. She constantly said on the feeds, to anyone who was listening, that she was there to make life tough on everyone else. The other women(again, except THE BULLY—MICKEY)have not been bullies. Rylie bullied Katherine, but, by & large, no one else. Keanu spoke loudly & harshly, multiple times to multiple women, but never to a man. Katherine spoke loudly & harshly to Ashley about Showergate, but that was not bullying. In my opinion, Sarah got it right: this is a season of FAKE, not bullying.
Yes, I agree. There have been some seasons where I could not stand the bullying. This season if it is there it is bully-lite.
Rylie the sick abuser?
exactly. vince is in this spot because he played scared trying to not make enemies and in the process made no friends and thus everyone might as well be an enemy.
Rachel: when asked who she would put on the block – “Keanu block, because I don’t like you, you suck. You tried to get me and my friends out”. Right, she’s no Bully, just Mickey. Rachel isn’t a nice person. She wasn’t nice on her first season or her second.
Perception…I stand by my definition. There are at least 4 bully’s in that house! Yes, it’s big brother, but bully’s none the less!
Can’t decide if Vinny’s a giant idiot or a giant p***y.
Why not both?
He is both so he needs to own it!
Both. But more the latter.
I totally disagree. The only bully is Mickey. She bullies Morgan, Ashley & Ava & she talks mean about everyone else behind their backs. Rachel hasn’t bullied anyone. Everyone she has become close with has been evicted. Maybe if she HAD bullied Lauren, she’d have scared Lauren into not using the veto & then Rylie would still be there for Katherine, Lauren, Kelley & Keanu. Vince might be gone, but those 4 would still be in a better position, gamewise. Ashley doesn’t bully. She’s just a blabbermouth who is constantly bullied by Mickey. Morgan’s not a bully. She’s just a 90 mile-an-hour non-stop jabberwocky who is constantly bullied by Mickey. Kelley’s not a bully. She’s just a wack job. Ava’s not a bully. She’s just unusual. Lauren’s not a bully. She’s just very young & indecisive. Katherine’s not a bully. She just fell into a complicated relationship & is emotionally overwrought. In summation, there is only ONE BULLY & HER NAME IS MICKEY!!!
Rachel is a bully also. But I don’t consider her a mean bully. She bullies to get what she wants. She did it with Lauren. She did it with Keanu. Pretty much most of the people. It is just not as far as let’s say a Paul or Evil Dick.
A bully is a bully!
There’s a new story out about texts Mickey Mouth sent to a friend before BB started, saying she’d destroy someone’s mental health for $750k. She’s pure evil.
It’s a sickness, to destroy someone’s mental health for money is disgusting… I know people like that!
I totally disagree. There is only one female bully. Mickey.
They are all fucking afraid of Rachel. All they need is half the group to be together, nominate her, she loses and vote her out.
is he just banking on being that person each side needs so they keep him around? early game I thought he could be good at this game but the dude is a huge disappointment. Like the last 5 years of BB.
that does seem to be his strategy. with rachel in the house though that was never gonna work. she sees through that strategy and doesn’t respect it.
She’s been there & she’s seen that kind of play b4.
You need to get over it, dude. BB’s demographic changes are here to stay. They were forced upon CBS. It was either that or cancel the show with a 20 year history of white racism. It’s just like America, “rigged”. LOVE IT OR LEAVE IT!
20 years of racism really? just not true sorry. But I do agree. There hand was forced to cast the way it has. But just stating it isn’t as good. It is more like a planned movie than a reality competition. I understand the community of people that are happy with the results of recent seasons are cool with it even though far from legit victories. Anyways I am glad you are happy with current state of reality tv vs how it was before. Because most purists aren’t. Enjoy.
Far from legit is an understatement! Especially…Taylor.
Look no further than her to see how cbs and production enabled her to fall ass backwards into a win.
100%
oh for sure, that was a painfully obvious one.
The downvotes ?? All of the snowflake kids have grown up to be such fragile adults. Which is also why Big Brother had changed for the worse.
yup the only people enjoying modern reality tv are the woke people.
Vince
“oh that Rachel, if only she wasn’t here, I’d be playing a different game.”
“oh that Ashley, she’s going to get to jury without playing the game.”
he said this to the woman he just backstabbed… again.
Well, if only he’d had some power this week to change that.
Even Lauren ‘knows’ he’s full of shit, but she has no choice but to play along.
She does. We know.
He goes on lying and saying that Morgan and the others aren’t coming after Lauren, and if anyone did he’d use veto to save her.
What is the point. He knows she’s a target.
Just so he can whine and say, oh they betrayed me… (when it’s her that was betrayed).
There is NO point to this. Let’s say she makes jury. Jury house people share information. She’s going to learn he shit all over her and then used her HOH letter as toilet paper.
In jury house there are no cameras. She’s not going to be on her cam behavior. She’s going to be herself. And she’s going to hear he humiliated her weekly.
So what IS the point?
The number of people that take this game personally…. Vince is not going to be invited to the group chat.
Lord. He did what with their HOH letter ? What else has he done to humiliate her on a weekly basis besides betraying her week after week?
euphemistically speaking about shitting and letter as toilet paper.
what has she said since week one to Vince. She doesn’t want to leave the house looking like a fool.
What has Vince done at every single turn.
Made her look the fool.
Remember, her HOH she named her noms two minutes after cams came back.
So why the indecision? Because Vince had to throw in doubt and indecision that made her question everything because HE wanted to steer her to different noms. The nomination drama… she ended up right back where she said she was two minutes after cams came back.
Renom madness… remember, Vince was wishy washy every single talk with her and wouldn’t be definitive which I argue made her more indecisive. Then when he finally got his ass out of bed before veto ceremony? She’d already been to d/r to lock in renom.
The veto. She wasn’t going to use it. he was safe. he had the votes. then he goes again with the gotta save me what if one of them votes against me knowing NONE of them were voting against him. Then after Rachel said it was Ryle…. who convinced her it was a bluff and she HAD to save him. Vince.
I say yes, she is guarded and needs to work through things slowly and she’s always doubting herself…. but having mr. whinypants as her sounding board makes her 50x more indecisive because he’s allergic to decision making. Look at both of his HOH’s and the noms and renoms. THAT WAS VINCE… and he was the sounding board for her in the game meaning Lauren suffers Vinceitis because he’s involving himself in her decision making process and that makes them BOTH indecisive.
When tasked with a decision on who she will vote out apart from Vince she makes her decisions pretty quickly. Add Vince to the equation and all of his what ifs and whines about best for him… and she becomes MORE and MORE indecisive to match HIS indecisiveness.
And absolutely nobody sees this. The indecisiveness we see in her HOH and Veto? That comes from her sounding board infecting her with his gameplay.
And she will forever be seen as Bobblehead Barbie because of it.
It’s not her fault that this guy has literally dragged her down like the others. It’s not right she gets that labeled when the problem is clearly Vince. He is terrible ally that exacerbates problems. I don’t mean use the word cancer. However, in a game sense that is what he has been to those 4. If not 5 including Rylie. Vince is killing their games in the house and made them plummet. It only took a few days for it to happen with him tanking them after they were trying to protect him from Rachel. It is a total betrayal. Why is Vince so determined to tank Lauren and others for Rachel and Ashley who have wanted him out all along ? It’s illogical.
Could you describe more of the week 3 fiasco with Vince and noms? Was he more to blame for what happened or what really happened?
Zach had talked her into Ashley Saturday night. Vince came in and look at both sides optioned her into head spins then didn’t drive home a preference leaving her confused about what her allies wanted. Mickey and Jimmy came in pushing Adrian renom. Jimmy offered a deal for Lauren including 4 women keeping her safe for 3 weeks.. it was a lie but that was what got her tipped to Adrian. Jimmy, having tipped off Ashley, sent Ashley in who offered the deal again, but didn’t include the other women. Vince came back and did another round of oh… safety oh take safety… then he and Zach decided without Lauren present that it should be Ashley on the block. They stayed up all night, and didn’t get to Lauren until ten minutes before veto ceremony.
Why the hell did he wait last second and spin her around so much in the process and not give a preference? All to have deniability and just play into Rachel’s tribe?
He tried the lead a horse to water but take the long way through the desert routine.
he didn’t close because he stayed up all night with Zach and Morgan and slept through wake up call.
Was it intentional though for him to empower rachel’s side and do that Lauren on her hoh. Because he was very wishy washy about what he wanted to happen. Just leaving her taking all the heat for the noms and names floating around.
it was not intent to make it wishy washy. He thought he had control… but his method is always so keep options open until the bitter end that he slept through the bitter end.
He was trying to play traditional floater game after all.
I think you are giving him too much grace. He is a snake, even to her. He plays stupid so he doesn’t have to take accountability! He fake cries and says he was bullied, he’s trying protect them all. He has no balls, he’s a freakin sap. He manipulates Lauren every chance he gets. Even Keanu wants to trust him and he reports everything Keanu says. The way he lets Morgan worm into his brain is disturbing to watch, I’d have lost my mind. I don’t know if he is in love with Morgan or what is going on there. I’m very baffled by his relationship with Lauren, he seems to genuinely like her but screws her game at every turn.
I give him no grace. I am saying most of the perception of Lauren with power is due to Vince being a really indecisive sounding board.
Thank you. Lauren is not stupid and I’m getting really sick of people thinking that. Her and Keanu need to WAKE UP and realize Vince is not their friend or their ally!
She is not, it is Vince! It always has been. He is the sickness and the problem.
I can’t believe they still trust anything he says.
As of 7pm last night when you posted this they totally do not. The 4 was in the shower talking about votes and how the are pissed that Vince has done all of this.
A lot!
For good reason.
Vince isn’t playing anything close to Big Brother; never quite seen someone this clueless at every level of play. In fact the only thing Vince is playing is with himself.
Kat deserves to be on the block. She had an opportunity to make a deal with Vince on the wall. The way she rebuffed his attempt to even talk made clear that she had no interest in working with him. He rightfully gave little weight to her attempts to campaign for putting Rachel on the block.
Good points.
I’m watching the live feeds and I am getting so tired of Morgan getting so much airtime. She never shuts up, constantly repeats herself and the whispering is so annoying! Isn’t that against the rules btw? There are a lot of other people in the house I would much rather see and hear. Someone please kick her sorry butt out!!
And the damn m&m’s…omg
She is the absolute worst. How can anyone stand her?!
…And the “She voted to get me out, so I want her out!” thing.
As Kat and Vince talk…
if anyone is shocked by what Katherine is saying… why?
What did Jimmy say about Kat week 2. That she was a catty bitch and dgaf and he loved that about her. When they house drag race quoting reader says someone is a catty bitch… believe them.
She herself has said she is a bitch how many times? again. believe her.
Should she have been put on the cast with 3 dead family members in one year? Given how much of a pressure cooker the environment is… no.
Yea, she’s a self professed bitch. So why would anyone clutch pearls?
Is it too bitchy. probably.
Am i giving her grace because of the family thing and the growing up in abuse thing and the anxiety issues hair pulling thing? No.
I’m saying all those things contribute to her being the self professed bitch she is.
Plus… she’s been holding all of this in for a week. A full week. I’m surprised she hasn’t combusted.
Is any of her argument true. Was she promised safety as a showmance by the person that broke the promise? Yes.
That’s where her argument concerning Rachel is true.
Everything ELSE she is saying should be directed at Lauren and Vince. BUT that would be game suicide so she is getting it out… but not at the people that SHOULD hear it.
Plus, if Vince can’t take it.. maybe he should not have created the environment where every single thing negative that happens is Rachel’s fault. No. He did. For weeks on end.
To EVERYONE that would listen. And now he has to sit and listen to Kat go off for hours because he’s created the lore that Rachel is the devil… and now has to sit in hell’s third ring to witness the result. Tiny violin.
Serves him right.
I think Morgan and somewhat Rachel are total bitches also, esp. Morgan when it comes to Lauren
It occurs to me.
The newer generation of bb viewers… are weird.
This is definitely my generational detachment, so bear with me.
Say what you want and own it is my policy…. as long as you aren’t advocating social scale hate or abuse And yeah… leave the kids out of it.
Otherwise if you want to be nasty be nasty and own you’re nasty.
The whole 2 scales thing where faves say the exact same as a flop and only one gets grace… nah. not good with that. That’s hypocrisy.
With Kelley making her horrible role model comment tonight… i think i am going to sleep on it but i think a nope may happen tomorrow. it’s after 5am and i shouldn’t be noping anyone when i am just about to sleep.
Last thing i saw on feeds Ava was talking about working with Lauren and Kat if both of them stay next week.
Ashley was soft launching evicting Ava this week.
Kelley has contributed A LOT to the unwarranted hate for Rach from day 1.
Craziest part is that Rylie is the ONLY one who watched Rachel’s seasons.
Nobody in that house is a “superfan” besides Rachel.
I feel like half of the hg’s are stunt casts.
Rylie and Lauren. But Lauren was a child at the time.
In her memory as a child she thought Rachel was a villain. This is part of why Lauren refuses to trust Rachel.
Was talking to a friend of mine who is mostly casual but occasionally dips into feeds when she’s bored. She was making a point to me that I had not considered that I wanted to throw out here to see what people think…
so. she’s a grief counselor and said the way she is talking about Rachel makes her think she’s been transferring her grief, and the renom was taken personally because she was starting to transfer the mother role to the woman in the house who is a mother that offered her safety.
Now… I don’t know if i completely buy this.
I do know that Rylie and Kat had decided to ride it out with Rachel instead of Mickey, but that Kat felt bad about voting out Mickey. She’d do it, but didn’t like doing it.
So i’m not a therapist and have no clue here. I know from my own personal year of multiple deaths that… it screws your head royally for a long time.
But.
I don’t know if Kat is doing this.
In my mind she’s just who she says she is, a bitch…. which likely means she has an extremely sensitive interior covered with a bitch exterior. That’s sorta usually the case for hardcore self professed bitches.
I literally said exactly this on X yesterday. That maybe Kat is looking for a “mom” figure.
Kat needs to realize that being evicted would be a good thing for her because she can be reunited with her boo thang Riley.
That would be THEE WORST possible thing for her!
How anybody, ANYBODY, could possibly think Kat & Rylie belong together as a couple is beyond me.
Hot takes.
Kat/ She’s a bitch. self professed. owns it.
Mickey. Homophobe. Takes nasty personal shots that make her also a bitch. doesn’t own it.
Now you know why one is a nope one isn’t. Ownership.
As usual, your points make sense. P.S. Still confused as to your storyline box graph. Any chance you could explain to me what it means? I know this is an admission that I’m a Nostra-dumb-ass, but I don’t care. I just want to understand your storyline graph. Help me see the light?
Hold up — how is Mickey a homophobe? I feel like other YouTube commentators would have mentioned this.
She isn’t .There are some delusional ignorant people that think all Christians are homophobic. But that just isn’t true .
Please explain why else Jimmy as a target was a faith based decision (her words). Please explain why she accentuates the ga as gay in gay-asp only when talking about Jimmy. Please explain her comments last night.
Naah, gotta disagree with you Mean jean. It isn’t a case of all Christians are homophobes. It’s a case of that Christian is also a homophobe and using her Christianity to justify her prejudice.
Jimmy wasn’t evicted because he was gay.He was evicted over his game play by a landslide vote. Perhaps Mickey speaks that way about him because he portrayed himself as the big over the top gay character whose was always after having a good Tv moment. I think Jimmy is probably laughing and thanking her for keeping him relevant.
Extreme argument (please take that into consideration when you read it, i am making the most extreme argument to he should be happy to be kept relevant).
By that logic, Kemi should have been thanking the racists of season 21 for keeping her relevant.
On social media he is not thanking her btw.
I was giving her benefit of the doubt before. Her comments about nominating Jimmy as a faith based decision. then saying gay-asp when talking about him instead of gasp. Then last night she was talking about Brokeback Mountain and making disparaging comments while walking with Morgan.
Has she outright said ‘i hate gay people’ ? no.
During and directly after her HOH week there were PLENTY of social media commenters cringing about her comments. Because Jimmy stopped being a topic of conversation so did her comments, until last night when she was talking about Jimmy with Morgan, then movies because she wants to be in a Tyler Perry movie apparently, and the comments started coming again.
Has she quacked enough to make herself a duck? imo yup. Growing up in a super-hyper conservative small town… I have seen and heard far too many Mickey type comments that are intentionally ambiguous but intentionally leading not to form the opinion that she’s got a hate-on.
As far as the box diagram from last or two posts previous ( yesterday):
If you notice there is no firm structure on the left side. there are pairs… but they aren’t organized. On the right, the feeds have shown us development consistently. There is a forming power structure within the blue box on the right that can continue if the left side ceases to exist… but there is no storyline continuation for 4 weeks of game if you remove the right side box and just have the pairs on the left. This tells you the left side pairs are cannon fodder and the main storyline will be in the right side box.
Everybody is entitled to their own opinion. I watched several interviews with with Jimmy some that addressed her faith based decisions. While he had many reasons for Mickey nominating him being homophobic was not mentioned once. Since he is very outspoken I’m sure if he felt that way he wouldn’t hesitate to say it. I missed the discussion your referring to so I can’t comment on that.
We really can’t speak definitely on why any specific member of LGBTI chooses to handle these type of microaggressions a certain way.
Given he’s in the political world and professional educated on public messaging, it would be rather incompetent of him to not understand the drama that would be triggered with backlash against him as well if he were to insinuate homophobia.
Besides, there was definite game based reasoning for Mickey, but that doesn’t negate her obvious homophobia. It doesn’t have to be overt to clearly be recognized for what it is.
The other thing is that Jimmy doesn’t get to speak for all LGBTI on this type of occurrence. There’s a whole community who can disagree with him as it does do harm to everyone.
In regard to Ava’s Convo in the kitchen with Vince and Keanu pointing out how many of the houseguest had a private Christian education; is this season what happens when you put a bunch of Christians in a house?
Interesting. Sounds like they all come from privilege, which explains the entitlement.
I’ve been one of the very few that liked and supported Vinny up until now. THIS has to go down in bb history as one of the dumbest moves ever made. Now I hope Rachel wins HOH and evicts his stupid ass immediately. Rigged or not, one returning player ruins the game for me. I’m not super interested in the rest of the season. Either Rachel or one of her minions wins for sure.
I agree…if they bring back returning players, it should be all the cast as returning players. I’d rather watch a group of experienced go at each other and a bunch of newbies go at each other. Putting an experienced player with newbies is unfair to the newbie. They are much better at manipulating. I’d be pissed as a newbie coming in and finding out you have to play against the likes of Rachel Reilly. I do enjoy watching alum play together and watching who thinks they’re the better player.
Kelley (and anyone really) needs to stop bringing up people’s families. She’s lucky Rachel didn’t hear the nasty thing she said about her daughter. I hope she finds out though and when Kelley’s goofy ass is hopefully evicted this Thursday she gets a nice goodbye message from Rachel.
While I agree with that, it was also uncalled for when Rachel said Kelly is mentally unstable and Coo Coo in the head, she also called her a psychopath and she wasn’t joking about it, that’s why the feeds cut.
Kelley and Mickey are so far the absolute worst about bringing up family… and it rubs off on others. Cut those two off at the knees and the family talk dies.
If I were Kelley I’d be tempted to do a fingers in ears LA LA LA LA right in front of Julie while Rachel’s message plays. But alas, too much hate triggered.
Only one problem, Kelly is a very good comp player. If it’s a puzzle etc
Kelly wins. This will be a chance to see if Kat has good short term comp skills ( if so Kat may do well in double evictions). Isn’t Ava lucky, she can afford to lose the Buster, even take another nap. Kat, whose intro said she was a ” raging feminist” is just as mean as Kelly. I agree with ? and would like to see Kelly evicted!
while Vince is playing a terrible game and screwing over one side of the house every week, they would be dumb to put him up. Lauren, Keanu and the block survivors would give the other side the majority vote and would have no problem voting him out to keep one of them safe. they need to put 2 up from the other side or the numbers become more unbalanced. It would be best if the put Morgan up as one of the nominees. Vince may not vote her out. I wouldn’t put up Rachole either the other would have no problem voting her out.
Keanu ripped Vince after the renom! It was actually old school BB! He was so upset Vince didn’t nominate Rachel! I hope it makes it on TV!
Morgan was up Vince’s you know what ALL day and if someone wanted to come talk to him, she got furious! Keanu took Vince for about an hour!
Morgan wouldn’t even leave for 2 mins when someone (Lauren) wanted to talk with Vince. Lauren proceeded to eat ice cream in front of her (Have Not) and kept talking about how delicious it tasted! Geaux Lauren!
I’m really starting to despise Morgan. And Lauren needs to recognize Vince is a weasel and not on their side.
Yea if you ask Morgan Mickey and will they think Vince was being bullied by Keanu after keanu just got betrayed by him for lord knows how many times. How on earth can people be supporting peach cobler and Rachel’s minions is beyond me.
I 100% believe that Vince would have had the votes to evict Rachel. He just didn’t want to break the tie. As HOH, it is his job to get the votes and make sure everyone is on the same page. If Morgan is his ride or die, why would she not vote out Rachel?
Something has got in Morgan Vince mickeys arse it is either production or Rachel’s hand all the way up controlling them to do her bidding. Rachel just nominated the three of them a week ago where they all wanted her out. Now they are saying it’s too soon for Rachel to go? This season has gotten beyond dumb that it is too stupid to comprehend.
right. so many players play big brother to make as few enemies as possible when really you want to make as many friends as possible to insulate you against the enemies you inevitably create.
vince can be scared of the judges all he wants but if he befriends everyone outside the judges he has the numbers that the judges can’t do anything to him. instead he just pissed everyone off.
BB is completely unwatchable at this point. I’ve already stopped watching episodes and only watch the Thursday live show, now I can care less if I miss it.
After messed up bad Sunday night. It defies all logic why she is not on the block right now.
Peach cobler, Ava, Morgan , Vince are just fools letting her stay in the game when about half of them just got put on the block by her last week. No they flipped their tune to it’s too soon to get Rachel out? They are as insufferable as Paul bb19 minions where Paul had 3 final 3’s. They are just Rachel’s puppets that have enabled Rachel to fail upwards.
I mean, he’s looked like that to me since his introductory video in the first episode but hey, it might work out for him.
Once Vince picked Morgan over Rylie he drew his hand in the sand. Even more so when he put up Kelly. He could have made amends with Rylie’s side if he had put up Ava, Rachel and Mickey, but he was scared and he put up Kelly. Once he did that he screwed his game because he is on the bottom of the Mickey/Rachel alliance which ever one advances. Vince to me is a plant. Every move he has made has been to help Rachel.
It is getting beyond ridiculous what he has done to push Rachel who has been after him for what he admits is 7 weeks. Vince taken out Zay on his HOH helped Rachel a lot! poisoning Lauren‘s HOH and completely being the one that ignited the disease of indecisiveness that went into her. Noms. tanking her game and sneaking her not just then but also in the last week along with the other people that were voting to keep Riley were Vince. Literally could’ve been in the final six with them having multiple Final twos where he was so insulated just to protect Rachel? Rachel’s game has been messy and he just continues to enable her making it look like some strategic mastermind when that’s clearly not the case along with people on her side. There’s no other logic either he’s a plant or that he has production man manipulate him so much to not target her because there’s no reason why she should not be up after what she did Sunday night along with the other weeks that led to this. I still don’t understand how to three nominees last week all wanted Rachel out then all of a sudden a few days later they’re saying it’s too soon? Just beyond ridiculous what they’re allowing to transpire. Catherine and Lauren had a point rachel literally has convinced three people that she just put up to being in an alliance with her/ to work with her not target her. Are these people that stupid to not see that they’re being used by Rachel.
I understand your point about this because it is not adding up why he would continue to join Rachel’s numbers when they didn’t have it when he could’ve been in a better spot with more numbers and more people want to take him further and multiple two’s. Just to do this for Rachel and Ashley ? the logic just isn’t there.
What did Rachel do Sunday night? I’ve seen a lot of people mention it but I must have missed it..
really he should’ve just thrown the hoh to kat (or dropped as soon as mickey dropped, she was the only one who would’ve nominated him remaining at that point).
yes, kat is mad at him, but there are four other people that voted out rylie plus rachel who put rylie up.
kat’s likely noms were rachel/mickey/will with ashley as a replacement and if ashley wins veto she’ll take down will and then maybe vinny goes up but if he loses blockbuster he should have at least lauren/kelley/keanu/morgan vs. rachel and at least lauren/kelley/keanu/ava vs. mickey with kat breaking the tie in his favor in both scenarios should it come to that. he was totally safe under a kat hoh and should’ve let that happen.
He should have just thrown it to Katherine all along. That is what I would have done from the beginning. You let her take that shot at Rachel! Rachel freaking lied to Rylie and Katherine 11 days ago she said on Friday that I’m keeping the showmance safe. To then just break her word and nominate Rylie for him to go. Katherine was always going after Rachel and her gossip girls over Vince.
Can you all imagine this cast (with the exception of Rachel) being able to handle the likes of Evel Dick, remember him banging pots in people’s faces? How would these players react to that. This younger generation is a lot softer.
The big guys would have been on him and not tolerating. Riley would have been evicted for tackling him, after Dick poured the water on Kat’s head when she made a snide comment at him.
LOL he would have for sure protected ‘his girl’ from water of all things…
Is Vince really just a scared weasel, or is this an act and part of his game play -a way he thinks he can stay in the middle to the end? How could he possibly think aligning with Morgan, Rachel, Ashley and Will is his best route to win. He had such a strong loyal alliance with Lauren, Kelley, Kneau, Ryle and Katherine (she was reluctant). People who can win things and then duke it out at the end. Does he not see Ashley, Will and Rachel tied at the hip? Does he not see Morgan fighting so hard to save Rachel? How can he possibly think this was smart? How can he think all the backstabbing of his “allies” is good game play. All I can come up with is the wimp act is part of his strategy. Somehow he thinks he has a better shot to win with these folks. Maybe because out of “The Judges”, the only ones who can win anything are Rachel and VInce. With the other alliance, all of the players have strong points and can win challenges. I still think he is a slimy weasel and I hate his game play and wimpy act. Who knows, maybe he is just a real life wimp and useful idiot for Rachel et al. Whatever it is, I hate it. It’s awful to watch and it is not smart.
Agreed to every word you said. This doesn’t make any sense. Vince legitimately could have a final two with Lauren, Kelly and Keanu after what happened over the weekend and it’s possible if he sticks with Catherine after Rylie left if he was loyal to her where she probably goes with him because she would’ve recognized that he betrayed everybody (Katherine’s dr convo earlier in season not wanting Lauren at final 2- because of likability). All for Vince to just betray them with 12 and 11 people left. Sinking their game in manner 5 days is dumbfounding and way too premature. especially for people on the other side with Rachel that are willing to have their parachutes Ava or Mickey take his 5th spot? It doesnt add up.
Here’s the thing about Kelley’s comment regarding Rachel as a crappy role model.
It’s not that deep.
HGs forget they are being watched, it’s a microcosm world just like being in your living room where you might say much worse about the problematic people in your life.
I agree, Rachel is an awful role model, she places value on the wrong things and seeks reinforcement for bad behavior. It’s not an attack on her daughter to say so.
She is absolutely a mean spirited bully.
So Will, he isn’t playing the game of BIg Brother, he has won no comps and all he does is sit and gossip with the girls. He is floating by in this game just like Victoria did in Derrick’s season. I hope Kenau wins HOH next and gets Will out. It doesn’t matter who the jury wants to win BB, it’s who the PRIDUCERS tell them to vote the winner. Rachel, Jordan and Nicole are BB legends, Rachel is nothing more than a bully. Why are Rachels HomeGood links always though out these articles??? hmmmm
Not floating, he is coasting like Victoria. He is playing a peach gobler game also along with the other gossip girls. It is baffling how he gets any fan support moving forward.
Not floating, he is coasting like Victoria. He is playing a peach gobler game also along with the other gossip girls. It is baffling how he gets any fan support moving forward!
I’m sick of Will
Same here his schtick is getting old. He has not done anything but coast as a deadbeat number for peach cobler and judges that the other sides just walks over. He’s coasting because he’s beatable. How anyone thinks he has done something this season is beyond me.
I’ve never clicked on one of them. But it’s obvious she went on BB to promote her product lines.
I agree and wonder why all her links are attached to the comments? I wouldn’t buy shit from her after this season, I’m sorry! She’s all over the place.
I apologize. This is going to be long & the ramblings of an old lady. I will not feel bad if you skip reading.
When I started watching BB in season 2, I realized quickly that the show was just a sociological lab test that scientists probably couldn’t do because of expense & people wouldn’t give up their summer, their jobs, their privacy, & their lives to just science, but TV could do it because they were offering a big prize and celebrity.
It’s been fun to watch total strangers leave their families & their comfort zones & join up with 15+ strangers to live together, totally cut off from the outside world, & at the control of Big Brother. They all come in thinking they know their strengths & weaknesses & believe that at the end, they will be taking home the money. Each one believes this but, as we know, only one will.
The first night is always fun to watch & the diary room comments are very informative. Although they are all sweetness & light to each other, in private we see the immediate reactions to those other people who are there to “steal” their prize. This is my favorite night of the show because I am one of those people who want to see the good in people & enjoy that for a while. But, because they are humans, that fun carefree evening changes quickly.
Then we start to see them splitting into groups, often by gender &/or race. They share something in common. We start to see the cattiness of pretty girls. “Am I prettier than her?” We see the guys comparing the manliness of the others knowing they will be their competition for the attention of the girls. They are checking each other out too, knowing that a couple are usually stronger than the rest. It’s kind of like what we would see if we could see the primitive groups who are trying to just survive. Our houseguests are sizing things up in an attempt to survive. At this point, for the most part, they still like each other.
Then the real game starts & they are competing. Someone becomes HOH. Usually, those first nominations are hard for the HOH. At this point they don’t have a real idea who needs to go unless someone really screwed up & made enemies or unless the HOH feels really threatened by someone. This is usually when the HOH becomes everyone’s best buddy & anyone who is good at influencing takes over. Most of the first HOHs depend on teammates to pick the first nominees, and everyone is sad, or at least pretends to be, when a person is eliminated.
Soon, they realize that its survival of the fittest. They need to use their cunning, their intelligence, their personalities, & their muscles to survive. They join several alliances & hopefully keep them straight & secret. It’s now when their cultural differences start to kick in. Can the white guy who grew up on a farm in Kansas really understand how a black man who lives in Atlanta perceives him & vice versa? What about that 50-year-old mother of young adults? What does she think about how these “kids” are acting? How do the ones who claim to be devout Christians react to flamboyant gays & Muslims? Do values that have been ingrained in them come out? Do narrowminded people even have a chance in the house?
This is when I realize that my own perceived notions, my ingrained beliefs & my ignorance of attitudes & beliefs that are so different from mine, come out. I was raised in a very conservative midwestern family. I have lived here all my life, rarely leaving the state & I have not experienced many of the things the houseguests have. I was very sheltered growing up. Can you believe that I learned about homosexuality when I was in 10th grade? I’ve come a long way from that day, thank God. I am prochoice, I am pro LGBTQ and feel people should live the lives they want, and although politically I do not consider myself a liberal, I am most definitely not a conservative.(My newest favorite tee-shirt says “Is he dead yet?” on the front) But, it’s interesting that this show brings out some of the latent prejudices that I thought no longer existed. It’s good that I watch the show because it makes me face those attitudes & work on them. I’m ashamed to say that the season with the Cookout was a hard one for me. I’m pretty sure that I am not alone in this and believe that the houseguests also share this. I was mortified by & abhorred season 16.
The show continues & the house guests change alliances, often daily, & people are eliminated. Eventually we get a winner, most often not a person I would have chosen at the beginning but more often than not, the one who earned it. Note, I didn’t say they deserved it. They worked for it.
Over the years, my enjoyment of the show has dwindled. I think that the interference by production has ruined it for me. It’s no longer a scientific experiment to me because they are orchestrating the outcomes. I know that for safety’s sake, there has to be some interference by production. I knew that they’d leave Rylie in the game as long as Rylie didn’t physically hurt anyone or threaten them seriously. He didn’t & he was sent home by the houseguests, not for the way he treated Kat but probably with some influence by production.
When BB2 aired & for several years later, I worked 2nd shift, so I recorded every show to watch later. I still do & have never missed an episode. However, my enjoyment has waned. It’s now just a competition show, not a social experiment. I watch it while I’m doing something else on my computer, only half watching, I guess. I don’t have my favorites anymore. I really don’t care who is HOH, who wins the Veto & who wins in the end. Each year I say I won’t watch again but I keep coming back. I am no longer invested in the show. Although I have Paramount+, I can only watch the live feeds for a short time. It bores me. I don’t consider the people on the show to be celebrities. I depend on Oline Big Brother for the behind-the-scenes news. I would never go to a meet & greet, even if it were free & in a neighboring town. This has just become an entertaining TV show to enjoy in the summer when there is nothing new on TV anyway. That’s sad because it used to be so important to me.
Preach! I feel the same way although I don’t watch the feeds. This season I was wondering if perhaps I had aged out of my summer fling. Well said.
Get out of my head! LOL I felt like I could have wrote this myself!
Bullying NO, but Vince has done lost his mind. He should have originally put up Ashley Rachel and Mickey, if one comes off then put Will up that way one of the other two would be voted out. I am still hoping Will picks up his game, I like him.
Way too logical for the unemployed superfan.
Decision on Kelley.
5am was not the time to nope. If she survives eviction she is a nope. Waste of time and energy to nope someone if they are out of the game.
Today Keanu seems to be taking the ‘all the bad things are Morgan’s fault route… to Vince.
He’s an idiot.
What is house perception. With Morgan coming up behind him in the kitchen and burying her face into the back of his neck while bearhugging him… spending 10-12 hours in his HOH room…. anyone not saying that’s gotta be split is stupid. But to go and say Morgan is the big evil to Vince… also stupid.
HOWEVER…
In his “it’s not my fault I’m just a little guy dontchaknow” excuses…. who did Vince throw under the bus leading to the conclusion that he was manipulated? Morgan.
So Keanu’s literal view of reality is formed by Vince’s own whinscuses.
I don’t know if its been mentioned on here before, or you have mentioned it, but what do you think of Ashley talking to the cameras and saying she’s acting dumb, and got inspiration from watching Legally Blonde?
Only thing I have to say about cam talking:
I find it odd that some people are encouraged to camtalk by production, while other houseguests are discouraged by production from camtalking.
In previous seasons, usually in the storage room, there are often discussions where some houseguests say they were explicitly told NOT to camtalk.
Interesting that Vinny is working so closely with both Lauren and Morgan and managing to keep them apart so they don’t compare notes and find out he’s playing both for fools. His survive at any cost game seems to be paying off for him. A lot will depend on who will be the next HOH.
This season new twist the Blockbuster has changed the game because House Guest on the block are moving targets. Show started with two people going up and the veto deciding who to vote on. Now the HOH may have to put up four people in total, depending on if veto used. Then HQ’s have only a few minutes to decide who to vote out after the Blockbuster. Making any backdoor big moves risky.
The younger people are always throwing in ‘like’ every other word, and it just highlights how afraid they are of owning an opinion. Instead of standing strong, they hedge, hide behind others, and water down every thought. To me, that’s not strategy, its cowardice.
While trying to salvage his relationship with Rachel:
Keanu bused Morgan poorly.
Keanu admitted to trying to get Rachel on the block but just as a pawn.
Keanu named all of his current targets to Rachel as Kat’s targets. Including Rachel.
He’s pretty much sunk Kat because he’s saying things that Kat has not said to Keanu to my knowledge.
One thing about this cast: they will always call Keanu a delusional liar when he talks about them…. but they will site him like a prophet if he says someone is targeting them.
Kelley is sliding that nope closer to now than if she’s evicted.
She’s so borderline racist ideologically in her thought patterns concerning voting.
She thinks if it weren’t for the optics, Morgan would keep her over Ashley.
Add that to last week and the week before little side comments that are vague but we know what she’s saying…..
Add that she has absolutely no strategy in this game….
Oy. Yellow card until she opens her mouth again.
Screw it. Kelley is nope.
If anyone watched the feeds this afternoon while Rachel went into the gym to workout while Keanu was in there pretending she didn’t know he was there…she told him” I don’t want to talk to you cause you doubled down and put me in jeopardy, I don’t trust you anymore”, It took all she had not to laugh! To me, it shows there is a narrative that is being pushed here. I did not want to see Rachel play again, and I could not stand Keanu at first. They started working together and I thought, this could be cool! I’ve come to like Keanu, I think he is genuinely a good person, Rachel lately, not so much. It’s all too staged anymore and not fun to watch the people who want to compete in this game get picked off one by one, it’s obvious something is afoot. The schizophrenic game play between that 4 to 5 people group is disturbing to watch. Maybe I’m getting too old for that bullshit, it’s not fun to watch anymore! I use to love the old BB, Janelle , Will, Dan, even cringey Rachel, it’s just different now! Now, certain people won’t target certain people even if they’re not good for their game. It’s crazy to me. They vote with the house even if it’s not in their best interest. I can’t put them up, but I can vote against them. It’s all bullshit! If you not with me, you’re against me, simple as that! I’m over this new Big Brother! You call out certain people for their behavior but protect others! If it’s wrong, it’s wrong! Stop it!